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Violation of International law for starters, Louise

Posted By: Mrs. Bridger on 2009-03-16
In Reply to: So, what's your point, Bridger? - Aunt Louise

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Can you say violation of public trust?
Can you say hypocrite? Attack dog under fire. How sweet it is.
Then your state is in violation of federal
federal funding for their welfare programs. I was not aware that any states had refused federal funds designated for this purpose. Interesting.
International Red Cross


Red Cross Described 'Torture' at CIA Jails


Secret Report Implies That U.S. Violated International Law







   






















Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, March 16, 2009; Page A01



The International Committee of the Red Cross concluded in a secret report that the Bush administration's treatment of al-Qaeda captives "constituted torture," a finding that strongly implied that CIA interrogation methods violated international law, according to newly published excerpts from the long-concealed 2007 document.



The report, an account alleging physical and psychological brutality inside CIA "black site" prisons, also states that some U.S. practices amounted to "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment." Such maltreatment of detainees is expressly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions.


The findings were based on an investigation by ICRC officials, who were granted exclusive access to the CIA's "high-value" detainees after they were transferred in 2006 to the U.S. detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The 14 detainees, who had been kept in isolation in CIA prisons overseas, gave remarkably uniform accounts of abuse that included beatings, sleep deprivation, extreme temperatures and, in some cases, waterboarding, or simulating drowning.


At least five copies of the report were shared with the CIA and top White House officials in 2007 but barred from public release by ICRC guidelines intended to preserve the humanitarian group's strict policy of neutrality in conflicts. A copy of the report was obtained by Mark Danner, a journalism professor and author who published extensive excerpts in the April 9 edition of the New York Review of Books, released yesterday. He did not say how he obtained the report.


"The ill-treatment to which they were subjected while held in the CIA program, either singly or in combination, constituted torture," Danner quoted the report as saying.


Many of the details of alleged mistreatment at CIA prisons had been reported previously, but the ICRC report is the most authoritative account and the first to use the word "torture" in a legal context.


The CIA declined to comment. A U.S. official familiar with the report said, "It is important to bear in mind that the report lays out claims made by the terrorists themselves."


Often using the detainee's own words, the report offers a harrowing view of conditions at the secret prisons, where prisoners were told they were being taken "to the verge of death and back," according to one excerpt. During interrogations, the captives were routinely beaten, doused with cold water and slammed head-first into walls. Between sessions, they were stripped of clothing, bombarded with loud music, exposed to cold temperatures, and deprived of sleep and solid food for days on end. Some detainees described being forced to stand for days, with their arms shackled above them, wearing only diapers.



 

"On a daily basis . . . a collar was looped around my neck and then used to slam me against the walls of the interrogation room," the report quotes detainee Tawfiq bin Attash, also known as Walid Muhammad bin Attash, as saying. Later, he said, he was wrapped in a plastic sheet while cold water was "poured onto my body with buckets." He added: "I would be wrapped inside the sheet with cold water for several minutes. Then I would be taken for interrogation."


ICRC officials did not dispute the authenticity of the excerpts, but a spokesman expressed dismay over the leak of the material. "We regret information attributed to the ICRC report was made public in this manner," spokesman Bernard Barrett said.


"The ICRC has been visiting the detainees formerly held by the CIA," he added, "at Guantanamo since 2006. Any concerns or observations the ICRC had when visiting the detainees are part of a confidential dialogue."


President George W. Bush acknowledged the use of coercive interrogation tactics on senior al-Qaeda captives detained by the CIA in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, but he insisted that the measures complied with U.S. and international law. Former CIA director Michael V. Hayden confirmed last year that the measures included the use of waterboarding on three captives before 2003.


President Obama outlawed such practices within hours of his inauguration in January. But Obama has expressed reluctance to conduct a legal inquiry into the CIA's policies.



The report gives a graphic account of the treatment of Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Hussein, better known as Abu Zubaida, a Saudi-born Palestinian who was the first alleged senior al-Qaeda operative seized after Sept. 11 -- a characterization of his role that is disputed by his attorneys, who describe him as having a different philosophy of jihad than bin Laden.


Abu Zubaida was severely wounded during a shootout in March 2002 at a safe house he ran in Faisalabad, Pakistan, and survived thanks to CIA-arranged medical care, including multiple surgeries. After he recovered, Abu Zubaida describes being shackled to a chair at the feet and hands for two to three weeks in a cold room with "loud, shouting type music" blaring constantly, according to the ICRC report. He said that he was questioned two to three hours a day and that water was sprayed in his face if he fell asleep.


At some point -- the timing is unclear from the New York Review of Books report -- Abu Zubaida's treatment became harsher. In July 2002, administration lawyers approved more aggressive techniques.


Abu Zubaida said interrogators wrapped a towel around his neck and slammed him into a plywood wall mounted in his cell. He was also repeatedly slapped in the face, he said. After the beatings, he was placed in coffinlike wooden boxes in which he was forced to crouch, with no light and a restricted air supply, he said.


"The stress on my legs held in this position meant my wounds both in my leg and stomach became very painful," he told the ICRC.


After he was removed from a small box, he said, he was strapped to what looked like a hospital bed and waterboarded. "A black cloth was then placed over my face and the interrogators used a mineral bottle to pour water on the cloth so that I could not breathe," Abu Zubaida said.


After breaks to allow him to recover, the waterboarding continued.


"I struggled against the straps, trying to breathe, but it was hopeless," he said. "I though I was going to die."


"Central international bank" = sm
One-world currency. Interesting.
At least the moron (a.k.a. the international embarassment) is gone. nm
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How are these for starters???? There are a WHOLE lot more in there. sm
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts.
Mapplethorpe is pleased, remember crosses in jars of urine?

$650 million for digital-TV coupons.

$34 million to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters.

$350 million for Agriculture Department computers.

$150 million for “producers of livestock, honeybees, and farm-raised fish.



well, for starters -
My daughter (2 children) got back $6800 this year and that was after they held out something where HR Block misfigured last year; my sister (2 children) gets back $6000 a year and since she is entitled to a full refund of her withholding taxes during the year it is perfectly legal not to have any money withheld from your check at work. That is just 2 examples that I can give you that I know 100% what they got.

Neither one of them qualify for food stamps - say their income is too high, but they definitely get that EIC. My daughter makes about $9 an hour and my sister makes about $13 an hour. My daughter also pays in $164 a week in childcare and cannot get any help with that because they say she makes too much money (even though her actual income is only $360 a week). Cannot get medicaid because they say she makes too much money and health insurance where she works for just her coverage - no children - is $400 a month.

Oh yeah, one more, my boyfriend's "baby mama" works just enough every year to put her right smack in the middle of the charts so that she can get the maximum amount of EIC and then she quits work and lives on foodstamps and family the rest of the year. She gets enough money back that each year she takes a nice trip (while unemployed and using foodstamps and living on child support) and buys a newer model car every year with the cash she gets.

Amnesty International's press release on Lebanon....sm
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/lbn-220805-feature-eng
Ummm....for starters
managed to assemble more than a dozen transitional economic advisors in 3 days, and I am certain he will not confine himself to those guys before it's all over. He has a 15 cabinet positions, 6 cabinet-level administrations positions and 3 Level 1 Executive Schedule offices to consider.

He's not been sworn into office, so there is not a whole lot he can do directly except to articulate his intent. No time for ego for a man who is preparing to face one of the greatest challenges as president in the history of our country. BTW, the Office of the President Elect has been around since 1963...not O's idea.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T PAY TAXES for starters...
You don't want govt sticking it's nose in your churches' business but you'd stick your hand out for funding?
For starters, he could have chosen more
reputable cabinet members to help him make decisions, such as his treasurer. A man who cannot even figure out how to run TurboTax and manage to pay his personal income taxes to go to China and tell them we are in great shape financially! This the country that is lending us all the money that we cannot repay and he is over there saying all is well!

This czar situation has gone out the roof. More than has ever been heard of! What, 15, 16 now? Why does he even need a cabinet? These czars are responsible to no one except O. How is this justifiable? Of course, I'm sure O reports from them to whoever bought him, be it Soros and his group or whoever has the $$.

The big car corporations and banks could have gone bankrupt or failed before billions of our $$ were poured into them. Our government is not intended to be bankers and car dealers, etc. As far as I know, O is the first president in history to fire a CEO of a major corporation in the private sector.

The O administration promised so many jobs to be saved and so many to be created with all this stimulus being spent. Where are they? New numbers show 9.4% unemployment, highest in 20+ years and Biden bragging from the White House today about the numbers looking better. Why, because they had predicted loosing 500,000 jobs in May and we only lost 350,000. I haven't figured out how to count saved jobs yet, and I don't believe O has either.

I cannot think of a lot of promises he made during his campaign that he has followed through with yet. And yes, he has to grow up any day now and accept responsibility for what he is doing and quit blaming GWB. He is still even blaming GWB over in Egypt this week in his big teleprompter speech. Yes, while H. Chavez says Oh, Fidel, Comrade Obama is going to be further left than you and me!

No, I have no answers what needs to be done. But, I can see what doesn't need to be done any more. Also, I believe he needs to seek advice from better sources than he is at present.
The 19th amendment for starters...sm

Before the Nineteenth Amendment, most states only granted men the RIGHT to vote. Suffragettes - those who campaigned for a woman's right to vote - were successful in 1920, when the Nineteenth Amendment was ratified. Encouraged women campaigned for women's rights. Several women's organizations requested an Amendment that guaranteed Equal Rights. (Congress actually proposed the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972, but it expired under its own terms in 1982 since three-fourths of the states had not ratified it.) However, after gaining suffrage, women lost most battles for equality.


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Women's Suffrage in the United States in 1919, before the Nineteenth Amendment

Jeez Louise, Just the big bad
cantya just let it go?
link for Louise
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/16/MN9T16DDOA.DTL
geez louise..
That was a very classy thing to do say, huh? Nice to know my fellow MTs are such kind and humane individuals.
Sheesh louise people.
For the love of pete.....the fact that Obama wants to raise taxes on businesses and the fact that it won't keep jobs in American because it will be cheaper to take their business to other countries.....that isn't fox news tabloid.....that is common sense. 
Hey Geez Louise - why didn't you say this
when it was started up above. The Palin bashing is getting old....very very old. Last I knew Palin is not the president, she and McCain lost the election, and she is not the president, and as much as the democrats want this to happen so they can destroy her personal life more, she is not going to be running for president or VP in the next election. She'll be actively involved in politics, which she should be. She is a successful governor whether the democrats want to believe it or not, but why didn't you say "Enough with the garbage" when the OP was making an attempt to belittle her.

The statement that Palin is called the leader of the GOP party is about as priceless as saying Rush is the leader of the GOP party. Two of the most hated people on the democratic side. But it doesn't make it true.

However, unlike the OP statement which is not true, this statement about appointing people who don't pay their taxes it true.

Let's try to be a little fair here.
slap..you're thelma......where's louise? nm

Geez Louise, I'm sure glad I have someone who can explain what I mean. LOL
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Geez, Louise. "Race riots". Well, ya know what?
Race riots will seem tame in comparison with what very likely will happen if we lower income workers get saddled with another 4 years of republicans in the white house! There has been 'chatter' about both physical and financial destruction of our entire monetary system and ensuing anarchy if the folks in the middle and at the bottom of the earnings pecking order get kicked too many more times. That would be far more destructive to the country than a piddly little 'race riot', as you call it.
So true! I think Patty & Aunt Louise should go
All that narrow-mindedness and hatred really gets old.