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We are screwed either way...

Posted By: indemt on 2008-09-29
In Reply to: Democrats vs Republicans - gourdpainter

no matter who gets in. I feel sorry for whoever wins...what a mess they are taking over, not just with Bush but going back to the Clinton years. Neither candidate impresses me at all. I'm writing in someone this year.




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Just one, but it really gets screwed.
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Did you ever think this is just a very screwed up
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Yes, I think we are screwed either way. s/m

I don't fit into either political party.    My Dad was just an absolute RABID (LOL) Democrat.  He would absolutely turn over in his grave if he knew 2 of his children had gone Republican (not this one).  My brother and sister join me in this mess and thinking we're screwed either way.  They haven't volunteered how they're going to vote but I suspect they'll stick with the Republicans (they both married RABID Republicans LOL).  Neither of them want to see Palin in the White House, this I know but that's as far as we've gone. 


All this aside, I totally agree with you.  We don't need, particularly at this time, one party in control of everything.  I know a lot of Americans are angry about a lot of things, of which I am one, but I don't want to throw the baby out in the bathwater either.


Gah! we are all screwed!
I would consider that dark and meaningless...........all hope is lost...........
seems like the ones who screwed everyone are the ones getting help?
so mine is not a freddie or fannie mortgage, what you are asking is my same question...

I dont get help?? i am current on my loan, have been always since two years ago when I bought it - i put 20% down...... now in an upside down mortgage (including the loss of the 50K i put down) and it is depressing, but I have done everything right but guess what... no help for me? im pretty pessimistic


seems like the ones who screwed everyone are the ones getting help?
so mine is not a freddie or fannie mortgage, what you are asking is my same question...

I dont get help?? i am current on my loan, have been always since two years ago when I bought it - i put 20% down...... now in an upside down mortgage (including the loss of the 50K i put down) and it is depressing, but I have done everything right but guess what... no help for me? im pretty pessimistic and p*ssed off


Yes. Every bit as screwed up as right-wing
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So basically we are screwed either

way this plays out?  My biggest fear is having democrats in total control of everything.  I don't like idea at all.  I know a lot of people are just wanting to get republicans out of the way since they blame Bush for everything. 


The big picture is that government as a whole (all parties) were involved in this crisis and it really is going to take all parties to pull us out.  We need a split to keep things under control.  Our country cannot afford to let everything go extreme left like it appears to be doing.  We need some contrast and balance.  If Obama were more middle of the road and not so extreme left.....I might consider voting for him.  But he is way too extreme left for me.  As a conservative.....I don't like that at all. 


actually the justice screwed up
The Justice screwed up the wording of the oath, putting the word faithfully in the wrong place. If you looked at Obama, you can see he has a look of surprise on his face, and I think that is what threw him off. I think he knew the oath and was a little bewildered when the justice said it wrong.
OMG. We are screwed as MT's thanks to Obama
Local companies going overseas.

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=283921-1&clipStart=&clipStop=

Take blue cursor to 55:42 near the end of Obama's townhall meeting today in Elkhart, Indiana.

Obama: I believe that the United States has the most productive workers and best colleges and universities. We can compete against anybody. We have problems in failure to invest to keep us competitive.

Our health care system is broken and that is a huge cost. A lot of employers who want to stay here find it very difficult to deal with the rising cost of health care for their employers and fixing health care will make us more competitive. We have a tax code that is too often skewed to encourage companies to move overseas. We still have laws on the books that give tax breaks to companies that are shipping overseas. I think it is important to give tax breaks to companies that are investing right here in the United States of America.

Now, having said all that, the single most important factor, I think, in whether or not companies are going to continue to locate here around the country is what are we doing about education.

IMPORTANT PART OF ALL


Because the quality of the work force is probably what most companies are going to pay the most attention to over time. There are going to be some companies that just ship jobs overseas because it is low value added work and they do not need skilled labor and if you do not need skilled labor to make certain things then you are just going to find the cheapest place and we are never going to be able to compete against a country like India when it comes to low wage work, but what we should be looking for is how to encourage high wage and high value work. The key is going to be how well are we training our work force. That is why in this recovery and stimulus package, we put billions of dollars not only to make sure that school districts are not getting hammered, but able to keep their teachers, but also have money in the package to retrain our teachers, math and science so they are able to provide our young people what they need to compete in this new global economy and have money to create new labs with internet connections so we are modern in this country to revamp our community colleges to get people to train for these new jobs of the future and need to be investing in education and blah, blah, blah.

Frankly, this guy is to contradicting to me and I am known as an unskilled labor worker and basically need to better myself in education for a better high wage job (which I do know that) especially if I am being compared to India employees.
ALL Americans are being lied to and screwed over -
by government, utilities, oil companies, tobacco industry, healthcare industry, insurance industry, auto industry, food industry, etc. The list is so long, that probably the easier way to do it would be to list who ISN'T screwing Americans:

1. Ummmm..... hmmmm.....

Let me get back to ya on that one; I can't find anyone who isn't screwing us.
You betcha we're screwed
and we didn't even get the proverbial kiss.
Its the democrats in cogress who screwed it up
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Capitol Police say they *screwed up* when arresting Sheehan









Sure they did.  Some lowly rogue Capitol cop decided on his own to arrest Cindy Sheehan. 

 

Just like the lowly rogue soldiers in Iraq who have been arrested and convicted and punished because one of them had the bright idea that they should torture prisoners.  None of these people could possibly have gotten orders from the Oval Office, right?  Of course not.  Bush hates torture, right?  LOL! 

 

Sometimes the lies are so transparent and ridiculous, all I can do is laugh. 

 





  MSNBC.com

NBC: Charges against Sheehan to be dropped
Antiwar mom removed from State of the Union for wearing protest shirt


NBC News and news services

Updated: 5:42 p.m. ET Feb. 1, 2006



WASHINGTON - Charges against antiwar protester Cindy Sheehan, who was arrested after an incident involving a T-shirt she wore to the State of the Union address, will be dropped, officials told NBC News Wednesday.


U.S. Capitol Police took Sheehan away in handcuffs and charged her with unlawful conduct, a misdemeanor, when she showed up to President Bush’s address Tuesday night wearing a shirt that read, “2245 Dead. How many more?” — a reference to the number of soldiers killed in Iraq.


But Capitol Police will ask the U.S. attorney's office to drop the charges, NBC News’ Mike Viqueira reported Wednesday.


“We screwed up,” a top Capitol Police official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.


He said Sheehan didn't violate any rules or laws.


Sheehan, whose son Casey died in Iraq, was not the only one ejected from the House gallery. The wife of a powerful Republican congressman was also asked to leave, but she was not arrested.


Beverly Young, wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young of Florida — chairman of the House Defense Appropriations subcommittee — was removed from the gallery because she was wearing a T-shirt that read, “Support the Troops — Defending Our Freedom.”


The Capitol Police official said officers never should have approached Young.


Criticism from Rep. Young
Holding up the shirt his wife wore, Rep. Young said on the House floor Wednesday morning: “Because she had on a shirt that someone didn’t like that said support our troops, she was kicked out of this gallery.”


“Shame, shame,” he scolded.


Beverly Young was sitting about six rows from first lady Laura Bush and was asked to leave. She argued with police in the hallway outside the House chamber.


“They said I was protesting,” she told the St. Petersburg Times. “I said, ‘Read my shirt, it is not a protest.’ They said, ‘We consider that a protest.’ I said, ‘Then you are an idiot.”’


They told her she was being treated the same as Sheehan, who was ejected before the speech. Sheehan wrote in her blog Wednesday that she intended to file a First Amendment lawsuit.


She did not issue an immediate response to the charges being dropped.


“I don’t want to live in a country that prohibits any person, whether he/she has paid the ultimate price for that country, from wearing, saying, writing, or telephoning any negative statements about the government,” Sheehan wrote in her blog.


Sheehan was invited as a guest of Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif. She later was released on her own recognizance.


Told she could not wear shirt?
Capitol Police Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said police warned Sheehan that such displays were not allowed in the House chamber, but Sheehan did not respond, she said.


Sheehan, however, told a different story in her blog.


“I was never told that I couldn’t wear that shirt into the Congress,” Sheehan wrote. “I was never asked to take it off or zip my jacket back up. If I had been asked to do any of those things, ... I would have, and written about the suppression of my freedom of speech later.”


She said she felt uncomfortable about attending the speech.


“I knew George Bush would say things that would hurt me and anger me and I knew that I couldn’t disrupt the address because Lynn had given me the ticket,” Sheehan wrote. “I didn’t want to be disruptive out of respect for her.”


She said she had one arm out of her coat when an officer yelled, “Protester.”


“He then ran over to me, hauled me out of my seat and roughly (with my hands behind my back) shoved me up the stairs,” she wrote in her blog. She was then cuffed and driven to police headquarters a few blocks away.


Sheehan was arrested in September with about 300 other anti-war activists in front of the White House after a weekend of protests against the war in Iraq. In August, she spent 26 days camped near Bush’s ranch in Crawford, Texas, where he was spending a working vacation.


The Associated Press and NBC News contributed to this report.




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If it Clinton screwed something up - why didn't Bush fix it? He had 8 years!

As much as you want to blame Bill Clinton......don't forget who held the reins for the last 8 years......who let them run amuck? Why was nothing done?


Check out the mortgage failures.
Tell me which failed more, prime or subprime
Tell me what is the rate of failures under the CRA or even Bush's ADDI (which i attack alll the time)
Once again, REALITY AND THE DATA doesn't fit ya'lls claims.




Basically what happened was.. we reformed bankruptcy laws.. so that people who ran into dire straights could not restructure.





We packaged the loans into commodity derivatives. These are sorta mirror bets on the loans. Sorta..as the same loan will be sold many times in many derivative packages.. that's why the housing derivatives are worth more than all the real estate in the US. Derivatives are actually not that bad.. when a market is stable and only has to deal with natural forces. The housing market was bubbled.. partially due to low interest rates that encouraged everyone to buy, even the rich, and partially due to the CRA and the ADDI.. which did add customers to the market (helping form the bubble was the extent the CRA and the ADDI had in this mess)




All it took was a few failures to pop the bubble..and make real estate prices drop,. and mind you, it was mainly prime loans (READ not loans given to poor people and not loans under the CRA) that failed. The derivative market.,.which like I said, is really mirrors of the same loans.. cause the defaults to explode with ten times the ferocity, because one loan could effect the price of dozens of derivatives.




Really the poor and even irresponsible people .. simply did not have the economic ability to cause this mess. Pool all their money together and waste it on hookers.. it would have zero effect without help from the rich elites and their magnifying packaged derivatives.




THE CRA and ADDI both had stricter requirements than loans you got from normal banks.. both required income data.. where many prime loans did not.. they also greatly limited you on how much home you could purchase..whereas private banks did not care if you tried to buy something you could not afford.
Don't believe me?.. Look in the phone book.. call your own housing authority - you can get a loan for 106% the purchase price of a home even today.. if you're poor enough.
 



Ask to hear the red tape and hoops you must go through.. Heck, it is probably easier to just get a real job and earn real money than go through the FHA.