Why not exercise responsibility with your rights?
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-16
In Reply to: The only reason it ever became a political issue - is because of Jesus-freaks like yourself.
In this day of myriad methods of birth control, there is absolutely no reason for 1.2 million abortions a year. It has grown from endangering life of mother, rape and incest to why bother with birth control, if I get pregnant I can have it flushed. It is amazing to me that any person with a heart in their chest is not appalled by that.
And a great contributor to this has been the gradual relaxation of any kind of moral responsibility...no right or wrong, only shades of gray, no consequences, sex introduced to kids earlier and earlier and earlier, not even allowing them to be kids...saying sex is fine, multiple partners is fine, heck, you don't even have to like the other person.
We are reaping what that kind of lifestyle change has sown.
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Actually, ol' Sam IS getting out and getting exercise...
actually doing the same BD is...volunteering for the ticket I support and talking to the folks...no universities close to me. Just door to door visiting. There IS a lot of excitement about this election now. I have talked to so many people who really weren't that into it, but they sure are now. That is what we should all be doing in addition to posting here.
exercise - what a concept
Put down that liter of diet coke and that supersize bag of Cheetos and meet me at the teeter totter.
Not so fast. Comparative drug use exercise.
There is a distinction between these two types of cocaine/crack use, as expressed in a medical study entitled "Crack cocaine and cocaine hydrochloride: Are the differences myth or reality?"
http://www.cocaine.org/crack/index.html
"...evidence exists showing a greater abuse liability, greater propensity for dependence, and more severe consequences when cocaine is smoked (cocaine-base) or injected intravenously (cocaine hydrochloride) compared with intranasal use (cocaine hydrochloride)." There is also evidence that crack cocaine use is linked to a higher incidence crime/violent crime than the use of "blow." Next time you set out to assasignate someone's character, remember you will be a whole lot more credible with (a) a little more research, and (b) a little less exaggeration.
Obama did not quantify his use in the book. He only defined the time span as sometime during his high school senior year until he arrived in New York to attend Columbia University, to include his 2 years at Occidental College (1979-1981). This would mean that he experimented with drugs at ages 17, 18 and 19 while in his teens. He decided to stop the drug use on his own accord. He then turned around and wrote about this experience in his first book, "Dreams From My Father," which started out as a commissioned book on race relations that later evolved into an autobiography. He began writing the book in 1990 and it was published in mid 1995, a year before he ran for office. It is worth noting that he was not forced to include this information in the book....he chose to. He disclosed one of his "greatest regrets," (his words) within the context of an honest, sincere, and direct expression of its (drug use) relationship to race relations and biographical information. Political agenda does not seem to be the motivation.
Cindy McCain's addiction ensued at the adult age of 35, nine years into her marriage, as a mother of three children, ages 5, 3 and 1. Her addiction spanned 3 years, about the same as Obama's "experimental" use. However, her disclosure (even to her husband) was not voluntary. John McCain was informed of her addiction during a forced (birth) family intervention, who then at the ripe adult age of 52, proceeded to engineer the "diversion program" cover-up/escape of criminal charges as described in the other post and in the midst of an active DEA investigation and pending criminal trial.
Aside from the drug addiction, involving an AVMT MD in providing her with illegal prescriptions and stealing drugs, it seems that there were a few more fires John McCain sought to extinguish. Seems she had approached a member of AVMT's voluntary medical team, demanding that he commit perjury in adoption proceedings of her Bangladeshi baby daughter and had attempted to "prevent" a former foundation employee from giving accurate information to the DEA during it's investigation. Further allegations were made that Cindy had abused her husband's office and diplomatic privileges by transporting illegal substances overseas. Of course, none of these issues were ever formally aired during court proceedings, since John McCain was able to succeed in "diverting" this embarrassing disaster.
So let's see, she comes clean to her husband under the threat of criminal charges, public humiliation and the tangible possibility of ruining her husband's career and is okay with having other people perjure themselves to gain approval for bringing a 4th child/infant into the mix of the not-so-remote drug addiction. Looks like the money and political clout has served her well in staying out of prison, bypassing adoption standards and abusing her own authority over foundation MDs and employees. Also looks like her disclosure did have elements of political agenda as she sought to save her own behind.
Drug use is drug use. But age, context, duration, type, criminality and injury to other parties are also part of this picture. It is not hard to figure out where Obama's policies come from with regard to medical treatment versus incarceration for first-time users and/or non-violent drug offenses. On the other hand, where John McCain's lock-'em-down and shun-'em drug policies defy logic and fly in the face of how he decided to handle the situation when it was HIS house, HIS wife, HIS job and HIS future on the line.
take responsibility
and if *they* were in office, you can bet *they* would probably have been impeached, tarred and feathered by now. A capitain goes down with his ship. Bush needs to take responsibility for Iraq but one thing you have never heard from this administration is sorry, I was wrong. Never, the guy does not have those words in his vocabulary although there are many things he should be sorry for. Well, things are happening quite fast now and all the crap, dishonesty and deceit he has loaded on this country and the world will come down on him soon. I cant wait. Gonna be fun to see shrub squirm. Finally honest decent Americans are speaking out. Yippee.
you said it - take responsibility for
your loathsome actions.
It is a responsibility...
equal treatment? There will always be special healthcare for the elite. But, I think a generic plan would work for most people, and I don't feel because I make more money than some that I should have to pay more for my healthcare. NOT FAIR! We are talking about health here! Keeping everyone healthy should be important!
I asked my husband what was the difference between the "gals" that were working for the dude in New York (what was he governor?) and the "gals" that walk the trashiest neighborhood for a buck (prostitution)? He said "the rich ones don't have to do it 24/7... Now there is a male perspective for ya'...
What makes the rich customers or prostitutes any different? There's definitely a pattern here.
Responsibility
I made no comment. My posts contained no text at all. I simply linked to a news report. I never claimed that Sarah Palin was responsible for anything. My oh my, aren't we hostile today!
HA! See, I do take responsibility
I'm not the one hollering about how thanks to Obama I'll no longer have to pay my mortgage or pay for gas in my car.
simple exercise or simple mind
ever heard of thyroid dysfunction, ever heard of drugs that cause weight gain (such as steroids) or any other cause for obesity? Don't be so self-righteous.
They really should add "no responsibility"
to their talking points.
This is about the judgment and responsibility of
a woman who could possibly be the next Prez if something happens to the old man. This is not about who will conduct the next PTA meeting.
cant accept any responsibility
for her own actions -- the dems MAKE her do it. Yeah, she's an independent. You can put your shoes in the oven but that don;t make 'em biscuits
Exactly, pubs had to take on the responsibility
to handle the junk the dems left them with. Glad you understand.
is it a right, privilege, or responsibility
Just curious - this question was raised at the 2nd debate. Is health care a right, privilege or a responsibility? How do you all feel about it? I feel it is a right but one that comes with a price, that one does not deserve health care simply because one is alive but that one deserves health care and must be willing to take responsibility for expenses (not all, obviously, because no one could afford that) but premiums, etc., and that one should have to be responsible about their use of health care (no ER abuse, use preventive care, etc.). How do you feel about it? What would you like to see done to reform health care in the US?
Does personal responsibility mean
get off your lazy a$$, find a job, don't expect a handout, free healthcare, free college, maybe work for a living instead of expecting those of us who have been responsible to foot your bill??
Obama has already taken responsibility, and
he takes his responsibilities seriously, that's why he has his cabinet already in place and is all he can do for now until he is sworn into office. When will Bush be held responsible? HE hasn't taken any responsibility for anything, and he's not made to take responsibility by anyone. Why is that?!!! Tell me Bush is not responsible for killing over 4200 troops for no good reason, tell me Bush is not responsible for 100s of 1000s of dead innocent Iraqis, and I'll call you a LIAR.
Right on! Why take personal responsibility for
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When it comes to fiscal responsibility......you can't believe anything a pub says.......nm
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Preacher of personal responsibility: When do
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yeah, go back 50 yr, and take responsibility
for your behavior -- ie, get pregnant, you HAVE the child, even if you choose to give him/her up for adoption. yeah, go back to when we still had some morals, ethics, courage, determination, etc etc. that would be The Way !!
Al Qaeda did claim responsibility for 9-11 sm
and I believe they were. However, AL Qaeda was not in Iraq until we invaded. Rather, they were in the mountains of Afganistan and Pakistan. Invasion of Iraq gave them a venue to distract from where Islama Bin Ladin was and keep him safe.
Take responsibility. Demand accountability.
Why do you cut Republicans to ribbons the largest financial disaster we have faced in decades can be laid at the feet of Democrats in Congress and all of a sudden you guys are saying stop blaming. You want to stop blaming Bush for the war?
Do pubs ever take personal responsibility for anything?
Ridiculous considering the investigation was gong on way before anybody ever knew she was the VP pick.
really, sex education is the parent's responsibility...
in my opinion. Also, I am sure that the poor quality of the educational system as a whole also contributes to this high rate of pregnancy in teens and we all know that low income teens are more likely to get pregnant and Mississippi is a poor state. I think that there are several contributing factors and it is very difficult to isolate just one. However, before anyone gets too upset, I am not against educating kids about safe sex, I just think that abstinence should be included, as well, which it was not in my California high school.
Take Responsibility - You Voted for the moron...
Mr. Mission Accomplished - I'm the Decider - YEAH! So far, the worst president in US history............keep whining, it's as entertaining as a Viagra commercial!
Why is it our country's responsibility to evolve with
The purpose of those coming to this country in the first place was to be their own person, not to live for their government, not to have laws forced down their throats by their government, NOT to pay taxes to support royalty or government and to escape religious persecution.
There was NO republican party....these were people who wanted freedom from the overbearing government. They didn't come here to "evolve" with anyone but to make their own way or does the thought of having to always think for yourself scare the daylights out of you?
We don't need the rest of the world to agree or disagree with us. Believe it or not, we were perfectly capable of making our own way because the world trade garbage was implemented and all the trade agreements is also a part of why we are in this ..............
Republican or democrat, that has no bearing on what our founding fathers envisioned for this country. For those that seem to think in terms of republican or democrat only, that is the problem in the first place.....they can't think independently. They have accepted the notion that government is their only hope........get it????
Yep, personal responsibility out the window.
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This is what a republican taking personal responsibility
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No....I am advocating taking responsibility for your actions...
and not killing the result of those actions. But why teach responsibility when you can flush the problem right on out, right? sheesh.
Obama advocates personal responsibility
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Good grief! I take responsibility for the psychopath comment, but....sm
I somehow posted it in the wrong place. Look below for explanation. The message should read that the GOVERNOR OF Illinois was exhibiting typical psychopathic behavior. Too many thin-skinned people around here.
Personal responsibility and pride is hard to find
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Obama heading the Fiscal Responsibility Summit is like
Yup, bout sums it up right.
Typical sentiment from the party of no responsibility. Cohen that is, not England.
The Republican Congress did a good job with fiscal responsibility, didn't they?
bout sums it up
Rights
And I have a right to protect myself, my beliefs, my religion my family, and my country. And I will. Did you see us going to them? They have been attacking us forever, not just on 9-11. Check it out and you will find this is true. I guess if we all just lie down and let them take over our country and attack us whenever they feel like it you will be happy. No country worthy of existence is war free. If you have no stomach for wars then knit things and make cookies or something. Maybe you could write a children's book about a perfect society and imagine yourself there. Just wear a blindfold or something and when others strike out at you then you can lie down and let them have at it. Finally, hatred is not "formulated" it is or is not. It is a feeling. It is prejudiced hostility or animosity. No one is without prejudice, just look at your own point of view versus mine. It is a human thing, hatred. The world is filled with humans, so it follows that hatred will occur along with all other human emotions, feelings, failings and triumphs.
what about his rights?
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If your rights were to be taken away...(sm)
would you be sick of hearing that too?
Who is assigning rights?
Certainly not you with any credibility. If I lie I expect to be castigated over it because lying is immoral and demonstrates a weak and selfish character. Likewise if I KNOW someone else is a liar I will not fail to rebuke them - it is in fact wrong not to do so. Note also in the midst of your misdirected and uninformed tizzy that no names were mentioned. The liar knows who she is and you don't know, unless of course it's you. If so, change your ways. If not, look for better things to be indignant about - say, corporate oligarchies and the men and women dying in the streets to bring them obscene profits.
Special rights
I don't believe any group of people should have special rights, but I certainly believe they should have equal rights. I do believe homosexuals should be allowed to marry, be entitled to family health insurance coverage, etc. I am not sure what special rights homosexuals are looking for, other than fair treatment. If we continue to look at them as sinners, which I cannot believe God created a whole group of people and they are all sinners because they are homosexual, they will always be thought of as outcasts, as other races were (and still are) treated in this country.
Hopefully your children will never have to make the abortion decision, but I have learned to never say never. My best friend is the daughter of an Assembly of God minister, and she had an abortion at age 16. She has never told her parents to this day (24 years later).
The child has no rights?
Have you viewed the video referenced below? Do you really think abortion should be a method of birth control?
he doesn't get any rights
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Gun Rights Per the Constitution
I posted this, but didn't see it, so I'm posting it again.
Gun Rights per the Constitution [2008-10-29]
Subject: Gun Rights per the Constitution Can anyone HONESTLY condone this? I'd also like to know who told him he can decide who to take money from and give to another. For those of you making $50K (for example), don't get ticked when possibly half of it goes to an MT who makes $25. That's his plan, and don't try to deny it. Once you go down this road it's basically impossible to turn back. Look at Cuba and Venezuela, for examples. http://www.rense.com/general83/obmaa.htm They will be trying to come for our guns
It doesn't SEEM they have more rights, they do!
My town has more illegals than you can shake a stick at. They are very rude, with the exception of a few, they do NOT try to speak English AT ALL. They do not hesitate to go to our ERs with every little thing and hog up the emergency room; I know this to be a fact! They EXPECT medical treatment and will tell you they have a "right" to be seen. NO THEY DON'T!. They have no rights..they are illegal! They spit out one baby after the other at taxpayers' expense and then I pay to raise their children, educate their children (have to hire MORE teachers to accomodate their refusal to speak English), put clothes on their backs and the list goes on and on.
Heck, one family had the gall to show up in my friend's pet shop (mother couldn't speak a word of English). She had her daughter ask everyone where they could get a German Shephard to breed with some mutt they owned. The owner was trying to tell her they didn't encourage that, that there were enough unwanted puppies and that she should have her pet neutered. The woman just smirked, shrugged her shoulders, said something to her daughter, who in turn looked a little embarrased when she told the lady they were free to own as many pets as they wanted and could breed all they wanted.
The lady tried to explain again that there were plenty of unwanted puppies at the shelter if they wanted a puppy but the lady said "In MY country, we are not told to spay/neuter our animals to which the owner replied, "You are not in YOUR country, you are in the U.S."
They lady (who wanted a better life) replied something to "you are all just a bunch of stupid ******". Her daughter was so embarrassed and looked like she could have died but remember it is that attitude that is breeding many illegal children to be raised with OUR dollars in our country.
And special rights for
the sexually confused.
Get a grip...........they have the same rights everyone
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While we still have 1st amendment rights
our opinions, short of using obscenities. As soon as the Thought Police are empowered, this may change, but currently we are free to say what we think.
I personally do not think Obama is stupid or naive, but I do believe he is a suck-up when it comes to currying favor with foreign countries and throwing his own country under the bus to do it. He really believes that the worse he can make this country's history look, the more radiant his countenance will appear in comparison. He truly believes he is the Hope Diamond in a hog wallow. The arrogance is all his.
My rights haven't been violated
again, name someone's rights who have? Nobody can seem to answer that question.
I don't care how he protects us just so he does. We still don't know if what he did was illegal or not, but of course you've already tried and sentenced him.
Again, this is not going to be a winning issue with you all.
Lincoln and civil rights
Although you are correct that Lincoln was a Republican, in those days, Republican was not what it is today, nor Democrat, no Tory nor Whig, etc. How could it be, the times they have-a-changed. He called himself a Democrat many times during his career and was extremely anti-slavery but did not fall in with the abolitionists. What with Republicans, Democrats, Whigs, Jacobins, etc. it would be really difficult to say one party abolished slavery.People from all sides supported and opposed it. Lincoln just happened to be president and the **War of Northern Aggression** quelled those who had seceded.
Lincoln was very anti-war, did not like the idea at all so the civil war was distasteful to say the least. He did, however, have no problem enlisting and personally fighting in the European versus Sac Indians war which makes him not my most favorite president...but then, everyone makes mistakes. He did that in his younger years.
The civil rights act I have always believed rests with LBJ. He is not my favorite either. In fact, I did not like him much at all, but he did, in his predecessor's memory, carry the civil rights act to fruition. I remember him saying on the day that he signed it, the south is lost to Democrats as of this day. Here is a link of the timeline. It is pretty straightforward, comes from LBJ for kids site so it is not overly lengthy or boring.
http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/lbjforkids/civil_timeline.shtm
Civil Rights Act voting
Actually in the House 100% of the southern Republicans voted against the Civil Rights Act so it seems you may have skewed the results a bit in order to generalize. Actually the vote went by geography rather than party lines as is obvious below.
As far as the Dems having a lot of catching up to do....politics change over time. Democratic affiliation changed with FDR. Perhaps you have a lot of catching up to do yourself!
CIVIL RIGHTS ACT VOTING
The original House version:
- Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
- Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
- Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
- Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:
Abortion is for men, not reproductive rights
Men can do as they please s*xually and have no long term consequences. If you are pro-choice or pro-life either one it's so clear it's for men NOT for women. Especially when you see how many adult men are bringing in teenager girls to the clinic. Abortion is another way to allow men to use women without consequences to them like responsibility.
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