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Yeah, "stimulus bill". More like let's print some

Posted By: fake money and spend it.. what a sick joke.nm on 2009-02-25
In Reply to: Obama is terrifying. He is going to make this - 100 times worse. We dont have this money!.nm

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Same here! ..and all this "stimulus" money, yet in
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Yeah, like when Bill O'Reilly had this to say sm

He first said this about the Spears situation:


"On the pinhead front, 16-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. The sister of Britney says she is shocked. I bet. Now most teens are pinheads in some ways. But here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her or even over Britney Spears. Look at the way she behaves. And by the way, the mother, Lynne Spears, has reportedly already sold pictures of the upcoming baby of her 16-year-old for a million bucks. Incredible pinhead."


And this is what he had to say about the Palin situation:


"Millions of families are dealing with teen pregnancy, and as long as society doesn't have to support the mother, father or baby, it is a personal matter. Some Americans will judge Governor Palin and her family, and she will have a hard time running for vice president if there is much more chaos. For the sake of her and her family, we hope things calm down. This country needs a vibrant policy debate, not a soap opera."


I am not defending Spears at all, but that is 1 example of a pinhead. 


Yeah, and Bill Clinton should have been thrown out
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Sambo left out the fine print.
Upon inquiry by a fact checker, B. Riddle's reply was:

Comments: I attempted to authenticate this email by contacting its author, CPA Bruce D. Riddle of Rockville, Maryland, and received this terse reply:

This was sent to six family members as a private email. Please do not forward. HE HAS SINCE PAID IN FULL.
Why didn't you print the rest of his comments?

You stopped before he was finished, and you're sort of skipping what he was talking about. He was talking about how they are weathering the down cycle in finances, not what you are making it out to be.


I thought you were one of the people on this board that had some honesty and truth. Guess not.


He states:


Even on [finance] terms, we have never been a company that tolerates facts. So in times like these, we are better positioned to weather this cycle than our competitors. We also have consistently maintained a strong balance sheet, which today following our completion of the partial sale of NDS for approximately $4.5 billion in cash. Given our strong financial position, we have the reserves on hand to cover over seven years of upcoming debt repayments. And we intend to operate our businesses and balance sheet as conservative as usual.


It is important to point out that while our earnings are challenged and there are variables we cannot control, chief enough among them the weakening advertising market, we can control how we manage our businesses. I can tell you we are doing everything we possibly can strategically, operationally, and financially to position ourselves to emerge stronger when the economy returns to some semblance of normalcy.


One of the things about our company which I am most proud is this. We are never content to accept the status quo, to not challenge conventional assumptions, we challenge ourselves and coming up with new business models or new approaches. That is the reason why we revolutionized network television with FOX or cable news with Fox News. It is the reason the UK and Italy enjoy choice in TV that they do. Why the Wall Street Journal today, is the only newspaper in the country to be growing, where social networking is now a part of the cultural landscape.



We also are leaders in most every segment in which we operate, from cable television and pay TV, in newspapers and digital media, for the simple reason that we have not been afraid to take risks where others have flinched.


I mention this today not to chest beat or go up the scape. We are offering perspective on how we are approaching our business within this difficult environment. We are not sitting still waiting for things to change or to get better, but acting now when things are perhaps the bleakest. To strengthen our businesses, challenge our assumptions and come up with new approaches that will solidify our leadership positions into the future.


We are putting all of our established businesses through the usual rigorous, strategic reviews to see if old models can be revitalized or new models created. We are making judicious, highly targeted investments to ensure that our developing businesses continue to grow. We have some of the word's most recognized vibrant media franchises in the world today, and now is the time to strengthen these franchises.


We are also working to improve operating margins at all of our divisions by streamlining costs. And as always, we are intensely focused on market share and capturing an even larger share of the markets in which we operate.


So how are we, for example, making targeted investments to better improve our competitive position? Consider SKY Italia; the numbers for the quarter as Dave explained were down year over year. Some of this is timing, some is currency. But what may not be evident from the numbers is, how much stronger our competitive position is becoming from the steps we are taking today.


More significantly, we’re making investments that will both strengthen our relationship with our customers while ensuring we remain market leaders long into the future. For instance, we launched nine new channels in Italy during this quarter, thirteen in the past six months, invested in high-quality original entertainment programming, moved cable up to higher programming tiers and increased our penetration of premium services, the single best hedge against churn.


And this quarter's results actually reflect many growth and retention initiatives. But what’s most encouraging is, despite these investments, we’re still on track to reach 90% of our original subscriber target for the year and a higher level of profitability over last year's record numbers. We are adopting the same strategy at Dow Jones and our other news brands.


Over the past year, the Wall Street Journal has added new pages and launched a luxury magazine that has attracted 30 new advertisers for the franchise. We have also revamped our website, developed mobile application and upwardly revised our pricing policy. I should say strongly revising our pricing policy.


At the same time we realized more than $100 million in cost savings since acquiring Dow Jones last December and continue throughout the coming months. Today, the Wall Street Journal is the only major newspaper to grow its individual page circulation year-over-year, up 2.4%, while nearly every other newspaper in the country is experiencing declines.


And the most recent ABC reporting period, the Weekend Journal became the country's biggest selling weekend newspaper in individually paid sales, surpassing The Sunday New York Times for the first time, and the Wall Street Journal digital network, which includes WSJ.com, MarketWatch.com, BARRONS.com, AllThingsD.com has increased visitor traffic by 76% over the past year.


The same is true of Fox Interactive Media, where we have been investing and expanding MySpace into a global social portal, a destination that is as much about entertainment and life style as it is about social networking. We have launched MySpace music, which is off to a great start, with partnerships with a number of major and independent labels and high profile artists.


With MySpace video we are making deals with film and television producers for original content that will not only drive increased viewer engagement but also deliver enhanced sponsorship opportunities and revenue. And MySpace mobile is a great success story with new device applications now running on the iPhone and Blackberry in a popular website.


Despite a slight downturn in revenue this quarter let us not lose sight that for five years MySpace still leads the social networking category in the US and has become a substantial business that we believe will continue to grow.


Our cable television, our cable division is another leading example of judicious investment. We went from no subscribers to more than 400 million monthly subscribers in under 10 years. Because we launched properties wisely, gave them room to grow and capitalized on their success with new carriage deals. It is all in the US, I might say.


As an illustration, the Big Ten Network which we launched just over a year ago today is profitable and it is broadly distributed in Big Ten markets. And the Fox international channels, which no one even heard of a few years ago continues to expand globally and is becoming one of our fastest and most durable growth drivers. Of course the biggest success story is the Fox News Channel, which has been the number one cable news channel for 28 consecutive quarters and by a big margin.


And we continue to invest in quality movies because we know that in good times or in bad, people want to be entertained and will pay for the experience either in the theaters or at home. So while our quarterly film number is up sharply from last year, there are many reasons to be extremely optimistic about this segment for the rest of the year and beyond. First, we are emboldened by the success of our Christmas Light, particularly the strong performance of Molly and Me, and the Oscar nominated Slumdog Millionaire.


We absorbed their cost in the second quarter, and will now reap the benefits of their box office success. Going forward, we have three sequels to blockbuster films, which give us tremendous confidence; Ice Age 3, Night at the Museum 2, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine.



One of the reasons we are willing to make investments in our businesses and in quality content is that we have never bought into the pervasive fear that all is lost when the business hits a recession; that advertising is gone, never to return; that consumers won't pay for entertainment.


Sure, there is reason to be concerned that we are running our businesses to respond to their concern. Historically, every time we have seen a recession, mild or major, we have endured this panic and come out better. And every a time the economy rebounds, advertising comes back, usually stronger than before. I am not being flippant. I recognize that we may never return to record levels, but we do believe we can recapture a large percentage of the advertising that does return.


It’s why we continue to believe in newspapers and their brand extensions and television and film as mass media. Quite simply, as long as advertisers need to move product and fill brands, these industries will remain strong and the market leaders will be the strongest.


And when this recession ends, we will be better positioned than anyone else because we have been aggressively building market share in these businesses and we will make no compromise in that sector.


So just don't take my word, consider these facts. The Fox Network, it will win the Season’s for the 5th successive year on the strength of American Idol, which in its eighth season continues to dominate prime time and serve as an effective launch pad for new programs. In fact, American Idols rating exceeds its closest competitor by 69%, in adults 18 to 49.


Our station group, which is the number one U.S. station group in terms of market share. Sure, margins in this business have contracted drastically. Though we continue to best our competition by aggressively cutting costs and expanding into what makes these station franchises and the local news.


Today everything is on the table at the station group. We are looking at new revenue streams, we’re making inroads on the web and we are doing strategic news gathering partnerships.


We continue to gain market share in the newspaper business. Beyond gains of the Wall Street Journal, market share in the UK is up year-over-year with gains in The Sun, The Times, The Sunday Times and the News of the World. And we are also very lucky that the vast majority of our titles are not at all dependent on classified advertisements.


To put it in perspective, times may be tough right now but if our forecast is correct, we’ll make in excess of $3.5 billion of adjusted operating income this fiscal year. We also always have a strong balance sheet. We are working hard to build our franchises and we are the best run businesses in the media sector. This downturn will eventually end. And News Corporation will emerge better positioned, better capitalized, a better business than our peers.


 


I guess nobody would agree to print a blank page. (NT)
:-)
Stimulus plan...the short version (fine print)....no one talks about....
Obama: My trillion dollar stimulus package, very dire, we must do something NOW, right now, before it gets worse. (I can sell anything...just tell me what to say.....) Therefore I'm going to......


I'm going to give you a one-time $500 check.


I'm also going to give those people who don't work for a living, or pay into the system, a $500 check too.



Oh, did I forget to mention.....



Each one of you taxpayers are going to owe the U.S. govt. $10,000 in taxes, once I can get away with asking you all to foot the bill for my stimulus package. (2 years down the line or so.....when we have to become fiscally responsible)







When Bill Clinton was in office, OHHH you better believe Bill and Carter have had..sm
their day of mudslinging matches, at the pleasure of a many conservatives. So, no there's not a double standard here.
Bill Maher Takes On Bill O'Reilly

BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In the "Personal Story" segment tonight, political humorist Bill Maher (search), he has a new book out called "New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer." Of course, Mr. Maher is about as polite as I am and as timid as Dracula. He joins us now from Los Angeles.


You know, you've had some celebrities on your HBO show, "Real Time," which begins again on Friday, talking about policy and war on terror and stuff like that. I get the feeling they don't know very much, but you do. So I'd like to make Bill Maher, right now, the terror czar. Bill Maher, the terror czar. Could be a series.


How would you fight this War on Terror? How would you fight it?


BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO'S "REAL TIME": I think the first and most important thing is to get the politics out of the War on Terror. You know, maybe I'm a cockeyed optimist, Bill, maybe I'm naive, but I thought that 9/11 was such a jarring event that nobody would dare return to business as usual on that one subject after that.


But of course, we found out that nothing could be further from the truth. And your president, my president too, but the one you voted for...


O'REILLY: You don't know that. Were you looking over my shoulder there? I could have voted for Nader. I could have voted for Kerry, but Kerry wouldn't come on the program, so I wouldn't vote. But I could have gone for Ralph. Ralph's a friend of mine.


MAHER: Yes. Anyway, I said the guy you voted for, President Bush, you know, how come this guy, who was supposed to be such a kick-and-take- names kind of guy, how come he has not been able to get the politics out of this?


You know, as a guy who's been accused of treason, I'll tell you what real treason is: Treason is when legislators vote against homeland security measures because it goes against the wishes of their political or financial backers. Treason is the fact that, as a terrorist, you could still buy a gun in this country because the NRA (search) lobby is so strong.


O'REILLY: OK. But you're getting into the political, and I agree with you. I think that the country should be united in trying to seek out and kill terrorists, who would kill us.


But I'd like to have some concrete things that you, Bill Maher, the terror czar — and take this seriously, this could be a series — what would you do?


All right, so you've got bin Laden. You've got Al Qaeda (search). You've got a bunch of other lower-level terrorist groups. What do you do to neutralize them?


MAHER: OK. Well, first of all, you discounted my answer, which is get the politics out, but OK.


O'REILLY: Well, assume you can do that. They're gone.


MAHER: We'll let that go. Keep going. I wouldn't worry that much about bin Laden. I mean, capturing bin Laden at this point, it doesn't really matter whether he's dead or alive. He's already Tupac to the people who care about him and work for him. Capturing bin Laden, killing him would be like when Ray Kroc died, how much that affected McDonald's.


O'REILLY: It would be a morale booster. But I understand. You're not going to send...


MAHER: A morale booster, right. Well, we've had plenty of morale boosting. We've had plenty of window dressing. What we need is concrete action.


In the book I wrote before this one about terrorism, I suggested that we have a Secret Service for the people. I said whenever the president goes anywhere, he has very high-level, intelligent detectives who look around at a crowd. They know what they're looking for. They're highly paid. They're highly trained.


We don't have that in this country. We should have that. We should have a cadre of 10,000 highly trained people who would guard all public events, bus stations, train stations, airports — and stop with this nonsense that this robotic sort of window dressing...


O'REILLY: OK, so you would create a homeland security office that was basically a security firm for major targets and things like that. It's not a bad idea. Costs a lot of money. Costs a lot of money. It's not a bad idea.


MAHER: Costs a lot of money compared to what? If you paid 10,000 people a salary of $100,000 a year, that would, I think, cost $10 billion or something. That's nothing. There's that much pork in the transportation bill before you get...


O'REILLY: Yes, 10,000 wouldn't do it, but I get your drift.


MAHER: Whatever it costs.


O’REILLY: You would create a super-security apparatus. OK, that's not bad. That's not bad. How about overseas now?


MAHER: What we need to do is what I call get Israeli about this. Because the Israelis are not afraid of profiling. The Israelis are not afraid to bury politics in the greater cause of protecting their nation. We don't act that way. You know, I'm afraid 9/11 really changed nothing.


O'REILLY: Boy, your ACLU (search) pals aren't going to like that. You're going to lose your membership card there.


MAHER: I'm not a member of the ACLU.


O'REILLY: Oh, sure you are, just like I voted for Bush. You're a member of the ACLU. I can see the card right in your pocket there.


MAHER: Bill, I'm not a joiner. I'm not a joiner. I don't like organizations.


O'REILLY: They won't have you, Maher, let's be honest about that. All right, now, in your book, which is very amusing, by the way — if you want a few laughs buy Maher's book.


MAHER: Thank you.


O'REILLY: You take some shots at FOX News, which is your wont, and I just want to know why you think we're so fabulously successful here.


MAHER: Well, I think that question has been answered many times. It's because the conservative viewer in this country, or on radio the conservative listener, is very predictable. They like to hear what they like to hear. They like to hear it over and over again.


O'REILLY: All the surveys show that the viewers are all over the map. They're not conservative in a big bloc. Some of them are moderate. Some of them are Democrats. Some of them are Moroccans. I mean, they're everywhere. That's your analysis? That just the conservatives watch us?


MAHER: Well, I think mostly the conservatives do watch you. That's not to take anything away from what you guys have achieved over there. It's a very well-produced broadcast, and they have excellent personalities like yourself, Bill. Who could resist watching you when you get home from work at night?


O'REILLY: Whoopi Goldberg, maybe? I don't know.


MAHER: Yes.


O'REILLY: Anyone who doesn't watch here is misguided. We identify them as such.


But look, I think there's more to it than — you're in TV. You know the ratings game. I mean, if you don't provide a product that is satisfying people, no matter what your ideology, they tell you to take a hike.


There's a guy over at MSNBC. He's a very conservative guy. He was hired and nobody's watching him. They hire liberals. Nobody watches them. Air America (search). Nobody's listening to it.


I mean, there's got to be a reason why we're No. 1, a punch line for you, and No. 2, you know, becoming the most powerful news network in the world.


MAHER: Well, I think, as I say, it's a well-produced product. You know, your program moves along, always at a clip that never seems to bore. You know, you move along to the next topic, the next guest. It never sort of drags. I don't think a lot of people know how to produce that stuff that way.


O'REILLY: All right. It's bells and whistles and my charming personality. That's what I thought it was.


Last thing: You know, one thing I like about Maher is he's not a hypocrite. He drives a little hybrid vehicle. Right? You putter around there. Does it have training wheels? What's it like?


MAHER: Actually, I had the Prius hybrid for three years. I was one of the first ones to get it right after 9/11. And I traded it in a few months ago for the Lexus hybrid.


O'REILLY: I think we should all cut back on our energy consumption, and I think we should all get these hybrids as fast as we can.


Hey, Bill, always nice to see you. Thanks very much. Good luck with the season on the TV show.


MAHER: Continued success there, Mr. No. 1.


O'REILLY: All right. Thank you.


Watch "The O'Reilly Factor" weeknights at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET and listen to the "Radio Factor!"


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Bill Clinton and his ties to India (yes, Bill),...
and China (yes, Bill) sent a lot of our jobs their way. Google it some time. Even I was amazed.

Look, it is simple economics. The big bad corporations everyone hates...first of all, it is not 5 or 6 rich guys and that's it. They employee thousands of people just like us...and when the government puts those huge taxes on them, if they want to stay in business, they are forced to move offshore. Higher taxes are responsible for more jobs going overseas than "greed." The DNC has told its members for years that "corporations" and "the rich" are the cause of all their problems and they have bought that Marxist rhetoric hook, line, and sinker. Corporations are not the cause of ill in this country. They are the backbone of the economy in this country. That is simple economics 101. And I am certainly not rich...and I certainly am not on the upper echelon of a corporation, but I do understand reality and I understand how the economy works. Yes, there is wrongdoing by some upper level folks in corporations. There is wrongdoing in the government. Where there is power, there will be wrongdoing. But for every Enron there are thousands of other good, solid companies that employ thousands of Americans, but the DNC does not share the success stories, because it does not promote their agenda. In order to control people they want them beholden to government and hating free enterprise. They want big government, total power, and control. And following Alinksy's program...you have to instill class warfare. You have to make corporations the enemy. You have to make classes envy the next rung up. Classic Marxist socialism. It is being played out in this country every day.

It is just that some of us have not bought the myth and jumped on the socialism train.
Did you read the bill? It was a regulatory reform bill...
asking them to regulate, not de-regulate. But Democrats blocked it...no wonder. Fannie was greasing a lot of Democratic palms...and Frederick Raines, the Dem CEO at the time...was in the Clinton administration. They were taking care of their own...and we are paying for it.
if abe is on the $5 bill & george is on the $1 bill, what is Obama on?
****censored****
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've said before that you're leaving, but you and your goons can't sta

yeah, yeah, yeah.....what he failed to mention...
is that the Dems are responsible for the mortgage meltdown which is responsible for the wall street meltdown. Chris Dodd, Barney Frank...totally to blame. Blocked every attemmpt by Bush Admin and yes, McCain, to regulate fannie/freddie. Dems certainly have selective memories...convenient bouts of amnesia. lol.
Oh, yeah yeah, whatever. There's plenty of satan here, that is for sure!

Yeah, yeah, everything is funny. Wont
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Yeah, yeah, yeah....still protesting too much. (nm)
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oh no Mr Bill

The communists are coming!!!!!!


 


Can you say BILL C-L-I-N-T-O-N???? He
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I will try this once more....this is a bill
put forth by a VERY unpopular REPUBLICAN president. All we hear ad nauseam from the Obama campaign is McCain is another Bush, we can't afford more Bush, heck, Pelosi said the same darned thing in her little speech before the vote blew up. The Democrats do NOT want to be identified as voting in the majority, against the Republicans, WITH Bush, to pass the bill because if they did, and it does not work, they will be forever identified with voting WITH Bush. Political suicide. Surely you can see that.

What I am saying is, Obama is a far left socialist and the party has become the majority far left socialist. So they will SUPPORT his agenda, and they have the majority in congress to back it up. Surely you can see that they will vote FOR Obama's agenda. You cannot honestly sit there and tell me that you think enough Democrats would vote against him to stop something he wants? You really think that??
I second that bill!

There was a bill that they both
worked on together.  John McCain's people called Obama's people.  It was not the other way around.
But you know something, Bill still came out
smelling like a rose, after all that, didn’t he? A much admired man, makes $$$$ for speeches, welcomed here at home and around the world. Oh, the 2nd Mr. Bush could only wish for so much.
This bill
is a slippery slope and doesn't deserve the slightest considersation. All people should be protected from criminal or harmful behavior. If a homosexual or pedophile deserves protection from someone, doesn't the child or even an adult who may be raped because of a deviants "sexual orientation" deserve the same protection? Having a so-called "sexual orientation" does not give you the right to act on that "orientation" simply because you can't control your "urges." This bill gives deviants free range to imbibe in their "deviant urges" without consequences. Why any president would consider such an atrocity is beyond me. If Obama signs this bill, the damage done will be on his loony head.
bill maher.com
Hey, if any of you want to post on another board, I mean when this one gets overloaded with conservative attacks, Bill Maher.com.  It is pretty cool and you can post away however you want, whatever you want.  In order to post, you must pick a handle and password and register and log in each time..Check it out.
WHATever and thank you, Bill Clinton
with a thriving economy, an honest attempt at protecting our environment, and peace.

*The bill is about when and not now, meaning NOW* HUH??

Then let's get out of there and let them control their government.  Let's take off the *training wheels* (like Murtha has been saying) and let them learn to ride their *bike* while we observe from the periphery, there if they need us to *catch* them.  As long as we are there doing it for them, they will never do it on their own.  And by agreeing to amnesty, we're publicly telling the world that the lives of our soldiers aren't important, regardless of how you try to spin it. 


And, yes, the media is eerily silent about this.  The last article I read last week indicated that the Iraqi Prime Minister was AGAINST amnesty for anyone who kills an IRAQI but was in FAVOR of amnesty for anyone who kills AMERICANS.  What a wonderful plan. 


I'm a friend of Bill!
from the uber-liberal state of Massachusetts. I was just responding to previous post of why Observer posts on this forum.
Did Bush actually say he was against this bill

Do you have a link to an article or anything where he states that?  I agree with you to some extent on that point.  My only issue is that within the 6 months it takes to get a different bill ready to go kids in middle-income and lower-middle-income families with be spending another 1/2 year without health insurance, and what if the new bill gets held up for some reason - then it's just more waiting for something I think we should have had long ago - access to affordable heath insurance for America's kids.  Poor people are already receiving free healthcare on Medicaid, obviously, but many middle-class children are slipping through the cracks.  I just didn't see any articles where Bush said the illegal immigrants were part of the reason he was vetoing the bill.  He always seems to be saying positive things about the hispanic community in generaly because he seems to want the hispanic vote (for his party).


I think all presidents are given too much power.  Hundreds of representatives that we took the time and effort to vote for can have their bill vetoed by 1 guy with entirely too much power.  A decent number of Republicans voted for the expansion to the SCHIP bill as well, and I definitely applaud their courage to go against their leader.  If the plan is so seriously flawed, then why did those Republicans feel so passionate about voting for it and trying to talk the President into signing it?  If the bill is allowing tons of immigrants onto it, then that is an issue, but aren't illegals getting hoards of free healthcare already just because they are poor?  I don't want them to get free healthcare, but it seems like they are already, so is this issue really the best battleground to fight the illegals, or is this just a symptom of a far greater problem that needs to be dealt with on a greater scale?  I just don't want the fact that illegals are sneaking onto the SCHIP program to be the only reason we don't pass the bill.  If illegals receive a free hospital stay should we close down the whole hospital?  Of course not.  Maybe not the greatest analogy, but I think you get what I'm saying.  If you do have a link to an article I would be happy to read it, as I want to know as much about this issue as possible.


They need to write a better bill
This is a mute point now, because the bill was vetoed by the Pres.and for good reason. Why do we have to accept bad bills? This was a poorly written bill, and that's the reason it was vetoed. Why all the vagueness? $83,000 per year is hardly poverty level. If this bill was truly going to help poor kids then write it that way. I don't understand why it has to be so vague. To me it reeks of dishonesty and pork.

Write a good understandable bill...what's the problem with that?
Bill Maher
Great show last night! Loved David Frost. Couldn't get over West Clark saying that Middle Eastern women are content being forced to cover themselves from head to toe!

Live in San Francisco area so really want to get to LA for the taping of his show.
Does that mean you believe that Bill and Hillary were....
sincere?
Bill Clinton
Any party that could celebrate the presence of Bill Clinton at their convention like he was the second coming has their priorities wrong as far as I am concerned...bizarre!
Brother Bill
Apparently people have forgotten their outrage over Clinton's zipper problem in the White House and now he's revered regardless of the fact that he made us the laughing stock of the world.  So why the outrage about Edwards?  I'm outraged that he would do this to his gravely ill wife.  As for Clinton, I lost all respect for Hillary for "standing by her man."
BILL - I LOVE YOU SO
fire in the hole!!!
Here's another one: Bill Clinton....sm
I don't know how valid this story is, as I have read it too, and don't know the details.


I do know, and you probably do too, that Bill Clinton did this, and I'm sure countless others. But we didn't and don't hear about it because they weren't/aren't SP.



Seems kind of hypocritical to condemn Gov. Palin for this practice, when it's been going on for decades in the good ol' boy system, don't you agree?







Bill Clinton

let this Country down with his behavior.  That doesn't mean I don't think he did good things for this Country.  Certainly, he did not harm the Country like the present administration has.  There are many reasons I don't think John McCain should be the next president.  I believe that anyone who is going to cast their vote in November should find out the facts about both candidates and make an educated decision, taking everything into consideration.  This is an important election.  We are facing many serious problems and we need the best person in there to do the best he can. 


senate bill

this is all way over my head... anyone make any sense of it who is willing to share?


I hate the bill as it is, just s you do....
but I think it is too late not to do something to stabilize things. If we don't, and just let nature take its course, I am afraid we will go from recession to depression and nobody wants that. In defense of both Obama and McCain (can't believe I am saying that), they are just 2 votes and they could not make that much difference. It would have passed the senate without either of them, no matter which way they voted. I wish that Congress had stepped up, though, and kept the bill to stabilization ONLY and it should have been a lot less than 700 billion. sigh.
Yes, he did. And it was in the original bill as well...
don't know if it is still in the 850 billion one. I would imagine it is. Because the Dems want to hold onto their voting base.
So we do have a bill to try to prevent
passed and these dates are September 6 and 19, 2008.  Scary, very scary.  From what I have been reviewing such things as Freedom of Speech and civil defense this morning, and he can be racist himself, Obama's videos seem to target a war with whites, almost like a civil war.  I must admit I am tired this morning from working all night, but EVERYDAY more and more things about our economy, Obama, and future seem more and more scary, not peaceful change.   
Oh no, Mr. Bill. Another BC die-hard?
No wonder you are so nauseated by the countdown. Suddenly your posts make perfect sense, even though there is no logical connection between the BC blowhards and reality. So much for the open-minded thingy.

The precise reference I was making was "methinks thou doest protest too much," or in some transliterations, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." I was using the phrase rather loosely in an attempt to avoid the pounding libs often take for being all elite if they quote Shakespeare or try to use his Bardisms. It's from Hamlet. Doth and doest have been used interchangeably in literature, as have you and thou. Like any quotation, it takes on its fullest meaning when it appears within its context.


They are still debating the bill - but it looks like a GO
How can anyone worry about tax cuts when they aren't even working?
Bill Clinton, for one, did not come from........... sm
a wealthy background. His father died when Bill was a baby and his mother, in order to be able to support her children and herself, went away to nursing school, leaving Bill and sibs with their grandparents to raise. They ran a grocery store in Hope, AR, and couldn't have been what you would call well off.

LBJ was born in a farmhouse in a poor area near the Pendernales River and grew up rather poor. He worked his way through college and earned a teaching certificate, teaching mainly Mexican children in Cotulla.

Ronald Reagan grew up without wealth or privilege. He dealt with alcoholic parents for most of his growing up years.

These are a few of our modern day presidents who came from poor backgrounds. I'm sure some of the earlier presidents came from less than wealthy circumstances.


I don't believe I said that Bill was to blame
for everything.  I think many many people are partly to blame for this whole mess including Bush and now I'm watching to see what Obama does and whether or not it helps us or screws us over.  From where I'm sitting, I'm seeing more screwing over than help but I guess I just have to grin and bear it because this package will pass and there isn't a d@mn thing I can do about it.
who writes the bill?
The furor over this confuses me, since writing bills is the job of the legislature, not the executive. It's obviously not Obama being talked about. The idea of a monkey running things got pretty played out in Bush's day, so it's not like this is funny enough to deserve much defense, but it does deserve a little, I guess.
Ah, just as Bill Clinton

'did not have sexual intercourse with that woman....Ms. Lewinski" ? Still, it was some kind of sex, wasn't it? 


And frankly, if you think sex can be done only the way the 'parts fit' um........ zzzzzzzzzzz


Bill Clinton was able to do it
Everyone knows B.C.'s "backyard" needed serious attention that it wasn't getting. If anyone had a messed up personal life it was him, yet you were okay with him as the Prez. This is very hypocritical.

Do I think Gov. Palin would be a good President. No way! There is a lot she needs to learn and be involved in before attempting something like that again, but it has nothing to do with her personal life. It has everything to do with her political life/career.

You cannot compare the two and say she wouldn't be a good President or VP because of her family life, because you don't hold the democrats up to the same standards. You give them a free pass. As we saw with B.C. - what a disaster/disgrace that administration was.
He has already said he would sign this bill
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I think the problem with this bill
is the term "protection" for certain classes of people. We should ALL be protected from crime, not HATE. I will hate anything I please, such as perverted acts. It doesn't give me the right to act on my feelings of hate. This bill could lead to other issues and it will eventually. Fifty years ago, we would have never dreamed of having the right to kill our unborn or having the right to marry someone of the same sex. It was unthinkable. Fast forward even 10 years and the "rights" could become even more farfetched. Having "rights" for some can lead to having "rights" taken away from others. My right to even say that I believe your behavior is wrong/sinful could be criminalized. And there is the other, even more sinister, issue. How long will it take before the "rights' of homosexuals, pedophiles, necrophiliacs, zoophiliacs, etc. take precedence merely because they shouldn't have to control their LMAO "natural urges." How long before imbibing in your "natural urges" won't be considered criminal and jail time will be a thing of the past because you can't punish someone for engaging in the "natural urge" they were born with? How long? I dare not even guess.
900 page bill

Hyperbole, anyone? Seriously, if the bill itself is 900 pages long, then how could the Republicans have added "thousands of pages of amendments" to it so it wouldn't pass? Unless you're talking Obama Math, of course....