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How do you think Jews feel when Obama shuns The Holocaust. Did their white skin give them a pass in any way before they were thrown en mass into those ovens? It wasn't right then, either. None of it is.

is absolutely correct. What was posted previously: Wright said, according to Virginia's Daily Press. "They will not let him ... talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is."

Please note what was left out (replaced with "..."). He's not just slamming Jews in general. He's talking about the influence of the Jewish vote in this country (which is a problem).

"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing of the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.

This is also true. The man is doing nothing more than speaking the truth and getting harrassed for it.

You described with great candor and honesty the most extreme side of your religion, and I appreciate the glimpse into a life that I otherwise didn't know existed.

I think many of us have experience with extremes. They're usually dirty little secrets that most people won't admit. Maybe it's time that some of them come out into the open. You've been open enough to describe some aspects of your personal life (which took a lot of courage in THIS arena). You've also triggered some not to good memories in my life.

I remember growing up in a small town as a child with my parents, my friends' parents, all my relatives (from different little towns in different states), ALL Christians and ALL HATING Jews. They blamed the liberal media on the Jews who controlled it. (I've heard this allegation again recently, in the last couple years, as well, so nobody can convince me that Christians suddenly love Jews.) If anything could make the veins in their neck pop out, it was th emention of the money the U.S. gave to Israel. The John Birch Society and Barry Goldwater were icons in my home. My father even voted once for George Wallace for president.

If a prominent Jew in my little town was a successful attorney, doctor or banker, they were referred to as such with (fill in the blank) derogatory terms preceding the Jew occupation. Jew and blacks. They received equal condemnation.

My father was a terrible bigot and racist. My cousin had a black POODLE that my dad wouldn't even permit in the house. He paid school tuition for another school during my first two years in school so I wouldn't have to go to the school less than a mile away from me because the students were 99% black. Then he couldn't afford it any more, and I was sent to the closer school.

Will never forget one Saturday when I was in third grade, going downtown with my parents for the day and seeing one of my classmates with her family, who we passed on the street. We both smiled at each other and said hello. My father SCREAMED at me in front of my classmate and her family, telling me I wasn't allowed to speak to _____. I remember feeling humiliated beyond belief, and that hurt even more than the beating I got with his belt when we got home. The embarrassment lasted a lot longer than the welts on my legs from that beating. Whatever lesson he was trying to teach me backfired because all I could think of was how nice my schoolmate was and how STUPID and HATEFUL he acted.

When I was a teenager, I worked for the local radio station and became very friendly with the news director (a JEW). He used to get me involved in all different aspects of the station that had nothing to do with my job. (He even talked me into doing a commercial.) If he had been a Jewish classmate of mine who I had been hanging out with, I would have been punished yet again. Instead, my mom thought it was so cool because this guy was basically a celebrity who was on the radio daily. I learned the true meaning of hypocrite very early on in my life.

In my mid 20s, I went to work for a Jewish attorney in my small town. Never, ever, EVER was I treated so well at a job with bonuses and raises, etc. Gorgeous bachelor to boot! LOL. We became very good friends and sometimes would have a drink after work together and just talk. I remember once he told me that I was the only girlfriend he ever had. When I asked him what he meant, he said Well, you're a girl, and you're my friend. LOL.

My daughter was in grade school at the time (ironically at the very same school I mentioned above), and every afternoon, I would leave the office to pick her up from school and bring her back to the office so she could be safe and with me until my workday ended. This wasn't my idea. It was HIS. I remember once when my birthday was on a weekend, he called me with a work emergency and asked me if I could go to the big city (about an hour away where he lived and had another office) to help with some work. He told me to bring my daughter who could stay with his mom and watch wrestling on their big screen TV while I worked. (My daughter and his mom both believed it was real, and they were good buddies.) The whole thing was a rouse just to get us there. He surprised us with a weekend stay at the plushest hotel there, room service, movies, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that we wanted, and he paid for it.

While I worked for him, my beloved aunt died. She truly was a Christian, was the organist at church, and most importantly, lived her life in a loving way (unfortunately, not a hereditary trait in my family). She had named me as co-owner on a certificate of deposit. My Christian aunts, her sisters and the executors of her estate, refused to give it to me. I'll never forget going to my aunt's house at their request, only to have them all sitting like some kind of posse on the front porch, SCREAMING at me for everyone to hear, telling me I'd never get it, and telling me to go run to my ***damn Jew lawyer. I finally did have to hire a lawyer, but it wasn't him. I was too ashamed of my family to involve him in this. They were finally forced to turn it over to me about a year later, but they never gave me my mother's wedding gown, which I had requested and which had always been stored at my aunt's house. I had wanted to give it to my daughter for her wedding, but I never saw it again. What wonderful Christians.

I refuse to believe that my small town was the only one in America with such wonderful Christian values, and I lived in the north. It's even worse in some areas of the south. From reading these boards, it's obvious that many of today's Christians are driven by extreme gutteral hatred, so I'm VERY surprised to suddenly see that they're so sympathetic to Jews. I don't believe for one second that they have an iota of respect for Jews -- either the ethnic group or the religion. What I do believe is that they're only thinking of the LOCATION of Israel and how it affects THEIR religion. Maybe I wouldn't feel that way if the hatred and intolerance and lies of some of these posters wasn't so obvious and if they didn't follow so closely the policies of Bush that do nothing but take us back into the 1950s (as Roberts would like to do, particularly with women). So many of these people remind me of the mentality I experienced in my childhood, and I believe it's alive and well today. The only difference they're wolves in sheeps' clothing today because they can no longer publicly say the things that I heard growing up and can only say these things in private when they're with their kind. In my adult life still, some misread me and think I'm one of them. It still exists. It's alive and well in America.

This sudden love of Israel and Jews is about the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen come from loving, tolerant Christians.

The can go ahead and flame away. Wrap themselves in the Bible and the American flag and destroy, deny and lie. That's how some American Christians communicate today, from Bush all the way down, down, DOWN to some posters on these boards. I must have somehow missed the day when God decided to condone blatant lying. I believe that's morally wrong. But what do I know about values? I'm a liberal.

Yes, well, I admire their faith. And this will be my last discussion with you on this particular subject.

They go on to half-assedly defend Palin by mentioning Jeremiah Wright and how there's no "religious test" for the presidency, but the Jews For Jesus are far outside the mainstream even for practicing evangelicals. ~~Jewish Defense League~~ Anti-Defamation League [I do know the difference! Whoops!] head Abe Foxman is pretending it's not a big deal by invoking the Spanish Inquisition (done by Catholics, not Protestants!) but his own organization has a longer, richer history of warning people about the deceptive and offensive tactics of the Jews for Jesus.

Sarah Palin's Jews for Jesus setting up shop in Wasilla, Alaska almost reminds us of Michael Chabon's charming The Yiddish Policeman's Union, his detective novel set in an alternate universe in which Americans settled Jewish WWII refugees in Alaska and Israel died before it was born. The incongruous idea of a Jewish settlement in far-off Sitka gives the book much of its uneasy atmosphere, especially in the mentions of the current fictional President of the US, an evangelical Christian promising to finally kick those Jews out of the pristine frontier, "pledging to restore Alaska for Alaskans, wild and clean."

The Democrats more or less handed Florida over to the Republicans when they selected (sorry, we'll say it) a black man without a rich history of pro-Israel hawkishness (even though he saw the light and came around pretty dam quick). This, though, might actually put it back in play.

I don't know where you live, but I live in the United States of America. We have freedom of religion in this country, and I'm still allowed to believe in God even if I don't share your particular religious beliefs. I thought God was the only one who passes judgment on people. What gives you the right to judge me and others on this board so negatively?

Book: Bush told reporter Jews are 'all going to hell'

09/02/2006 @ 7:53 pm

An upcoming book about presidential advisor Karl Rove reports allegations of anti-semitism by President George W. Bush, RAW STORY has learned.

You know what I'm gonna tell those Jews when I get to Israel, don't you Herman? a then Governor George W. Bush allegedly asked a reporter for the Austin American-Statesman.

When the journalist, Ken Herman, replied that he did not know, Bush reportedly delivered the punch line: I'm telling 'em they're all going to hell.

This quip never received wider media attention. RAW STORY obtained a copy of The Architect late this week.

Bush's thoughts on the fate of non-Christian souls became a minor source of controversy after he told the Houston Post in 1993 that only those who accept Jesus Christ go to Heaven. However, the future president was also earlier briefly engaged to a half-Jewish woman.

The authors of The Architect assert that religion and ethnicity have been manipulated by Bush and Rove to divide and conquer the nation.

Avraham Hirschson, the Israeli tourism minister, said: I'm not a theologian, I'm the minister of tourism, and I'm not interested in the politics of our tourists as long as they come here. They come here as tourists, and they're friends of Israel.

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) - Barack Obama partied with Hollywood celebrities Tuesday night and with the help of Oscar-winning singer and actress Barbra Streisand raised an eye-popping $9 million for his presidential campaign and the Democratic Party.

The night was split into two glitzy events, a reception and dinner costing $28,500 each at the Greystone Mansion, followed by entertainment by Streisand at the nearby Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel. About 250 people were expected at the dinner and about 800 at the entertainment, which cost $2,500 a ticket.

It was a day of contrasts for Obama. Earlier in the day, the Democratic presidential candidate spoke about the public's deepening economic anxieties and portrayed Republican challenger John McCain as out of touch with the needs of hardworking people.

McCain groused about Obama mixing it up with celebrities. He told a rally in Vienna, Ohio on Tuesday that Obama "talks about siding with the people, siding with the people just before he flies off to Hollywood for a fundraiser with Barbra Streisand and his celebrity friends. Let me tell you my friends, there's no place I'd rather be than here with the working men and women of Ohio."

A night earlier, McCain was with deep-pocketed donors in Florida and raised $5 million, a fact noted by Obama's campaign.

"I don't know who showed up down in Florida where he raised $5 million but my guess is that it wasn't a lot of nurses, firefighters and police officers," Obama's senior strategist, David Axelrod, told reporters. "The whole corporate lobbying community is rallying to his side. We're going to have to struggle to keep pace. You can't challenge that group and not expect them to have a lot of money."

While the final total was not determined, Obama's campaign did not dispute estimates that the twin events would bring in $9 million for Obama and the Democratic Party. That would be his second-biggest, fundraising day. Obama received $10 million from online donors the day after McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, delivered her speech at the Republican convention.

On another big fundraising night in California, Obama raised $7 million in August in San Francisco.
Obama is financing his presidential race with private contributions after abandoning a pledge to take public financing capped at $84 million. His campaign announced Sunday it had collected $66 million in August, a fundraising record for any presidential candidate in a monthlong period.

By comparison, McCain raised $47 million in August, a personal best for his campaign as well. After claiming the GOP nomination, McCain accepted the $84 million in taxpayer funds allotted by the public financing system for the race.

All this controversy over the number in attendance af last week's tea parties, and who was there! I would think over a quarter-million participants would rank right up there as far as demonstration statistics go.

There was another demonstration in 1995 which planned to attact a million demonstators. Wikipedia has this:

......... Finally, within the first twenty-four hours following the March a conflict between March organizers and Park Service officials erupted over crowd size estimates. Initially, the National Park Service issued an estimate of about 400,000 attendees; a number significantly lower than March organizers had hoped for. After a heated exchange between leaders of the March and Park Services the estimate was raised to 850,000* but still fell short of the organizers� estimate of over 1 million. The controversy over the number of men who actually participated in the March has yet to be firmly resolved. *[guess they were getting the 2 for 1 special?]

Even back then, folks were hollering 'recount,' I don't recall seeing any female or white faces in that crowd, either. I think that was pretty sexist and racist. The point is, you hang with like-minded individuals. Nobody put out the 'whites only' sign at the tea parties. It was equal opportunity, and if you were a hard-working black business owner you might have been there.

He's talking about people that got schnuckered so they can keep their homes. Maybe they would reduce the principle, but that would also keep people in their homes and make the other homes in that neighborhood keep their value.

Do you understand the concept that if the homes around you go into foreclosure then that brings your home value down?

Check out this Canadian news article on this pitiful event -- this might answer your question about why no other news stations were giving this much air time -- NOT NEWSWORTHY!! Not even 10s of thousands, much less a million!! Where did you get your statistics? Is that what you heard on TRIX news?

What the Mousvi supporters are trying to do in Iran is to show the world that they can bring down the Ahmedinejad and hopefully also the leader of the theocray

There are also in the cleric council contradicting opinions regarding the legitimate outcome of the election and how to proceed in solving this massive protests.

This shows AGAIN the diplomatic excellence of Obama AND Biden when they held back their meddling and interfering, letting the people try it on their own!

If it were up to McCain and Cheney they would have made out of this conflict a 2nd-Iraq siituation, probaly invaded Iran!

U.S. owes Iraq $208 million, auditor says
Gouging, shoddy work by Halliburton blamed

An auditing board sponsored by the United Nations recommended Friday that the United States repay as much as $208 million to the Iraqi government for contracting work in 2003 and 2004 assigned to Kellogg, Brown & Root, the Halliburton Co. subsidiary.

The work was paid for with Iraqi oil proceeds, but the board says it was either carried out at inflated prices or done poorly. The board did not give examples of poor work.

Some of the work involved postwar fuel imports carried out by KBR that previous audits have criticized as grossly overpriced. But this is the first time that an international auditing group has suggested that the United States repay some of that money to Iraq.

The U.N. group, the International Advisory and Monitoring Board of the Development Fund for Iraq, compiled reports from an array of Pentagon, U.S. government and private auditors to carry out its analysis.

A spokeswoman for Halliburton, Cathy Mann, said the questions raised in the military audits, carried out in the Pentagon's Defense Contract Auditing Agency, had largely focused on issues of paperwork and documentation and alleged nothing about the quality of the work done by KBR. The monitoring board relied heavily on the Pentagon audits in drawing its conclusions.

Mann said, in an e-mail response to questions, that it would be completely wrong to say or imply that any of these costs that were incurred at the client's direction for its benefit are 'overcharges.'

The monitoring board, created by the United Nations specifically to oversee the Development Fund -- which includes Iraqi oil revenues and some money seized from Saddam Hussein's government -- said that because the audits were continuing, it was too early to say how much of the $208 million should ultimately be paid back.

The KBR contracts that have drawn fresh scrutiny also cover services other than fuel deliveries, like building and repairing oil pipelines and installing emergency power generators in Iraq. The documents released Friday by the monitoring board do not detail problems with specific tasks in those broad categories but instead summarize a series of newly disclosed audits that call into question $208,491,382 of the company's work in Iraq.

The monitoring board's authority extends only to making recommendations on any reimbursement. It would be up to the U.S. government to decide whether to make the payments, and who should make them.

Vice President Dick Cheney's former role as chief executive of Halliburton has led to repeated charges, uniformly dismissed by Cheney and the company, that it received preferential treatment in receiving Iraq-related contracts.

The Bush administration repeatedly gave Halliburton special treatment and allowed the company to gouge both U.S. taxpayers and the Iraqi people, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, the senior Democrat on the House Government Reform Committee, said in a statement on the new audits.

In Iraq on Friday, insurgent attacks -- including one in which the attackers disguised themselves as women -- left at least 16 Iraqis dead.

Al Qaeda in Iraq, the leading insurgency group, said in a statement posted on an Islamist Web site that two Moroccan Embassy employees had been condemned to death, the Associated Press reported. There was no indication Friday that they had been killed.

The U.S. military said Friday that two more soldiers had died the previous day, one in a noncombat incident and one when his convoy struck an explosive.

In the day's deadliest assault, insurgents dressed in women's clothing attacked a police checkpoint in Buhruz, 35 miles north of Baghdad, killing at least six Iraqi police and injuring at least 10 others, U.S. and Iraqi officials said.

The gunmen were armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars, and pulled up in five cars, an Interior Ministry official said. The policemen managed to kill at least two of the gunmen, he added

Yes? Tell that to 40 million dead Jews. NM

Book: Bush told reporter Jews are 'all going to hell'

09/02/2006 @ 7:53 pm

U.S. owes Iraq $208 million, auditor says Gouging, shoddy work by Halliburton blamed

U.S. owes Iraq $208 million, auditor says
Gouging, shoddy work by Halliburton blamed