Yes, by all means, research the facts. sm
Posted By: ex animo on 2008-10-01
In Reply to: There is a problem with some of the "facts" - sam
Here's one place to start:
http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lies
Now this comes from the DNC, so I'm sure sam will dismiss it all out of hand, but as I said, it's one place to start. It gives you an idea of the sheer volume of topics where McCain has a shaky relationship with the truth. (Don't forget, all this is from a guy who was going to run an honorable, respectful campaign.)
I have done a lot of searching and surfing and reading and listening, and I do not find McCain to be the "honorable" man he claims to be. I think he is an old career politician who sees this election as his last chance for the presidency so he's willing to do and say anything to get it. He's not a leader. He isn't even well-liked or well-respected by his fellow repubs. He's an ill-tempered, reckless warmonger with poor judgment. He's not a "maverick." He's reckless and stuck in the past. And he's losing. The rest of his campaign will be spent going into overdrive attacking Obama, because that's all he has.
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Obviously, this means we are tired of gathering facts, ,
dissecting, proving, reproving, etc, only to be met with pathological fear of fact, having the fruits of our labor lifted out of context, miscontrued, slammed, belittled, discounted, ignored. A good example might be the automatic dismissal you have expressed in this current post. Like it or not, these liberal rags as you like to depict them represent at least half of the population of the US...and according to the latests polls released today, a majority of your fellow citizens. When you show respect for this, you get it in return. But you would not know that because you have rarely tried this approach. What is obvious here is that we like to see you do your own research. That why you get no soup today.
Facts are facts - sorry you don't like it cos it doesn't support your candidate
You can't change facts. That's what makes them facts. You may not like it but that's the way it is.
Facts are facts. No bash intended.
It will be this stellar record from which voters will be assessing her and her running mate.
If you're offended, too bad. Facts are facts...
I know Muslims in this country who have turned from the hateful evil beliefs that were forced down their throats. They did not have the freedom to learn anything else growing up. But after they gained their freedom and came here, they were able to receive the Word of God and they have told me that NEVER were they taught anything about loving others, just other Muslims, and that the God they learned about spoke of nothing but killing and hate... so if Obama is receiving large donations from those middle eastern countries, as you say, and he is grounded in Muslim culture, being taught this in school for years as a child, do you honestly think he doesn't carry some of those beliefs with him? He's never denounced it.
Here ya go.........
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
stating facts folks, just the facts....if it's getting
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Folks want facts, you give'm facts and still
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This poster wants facts, facts, facts...
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Poster wants facts, facts, facts.....
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When you can't fight facts for facts
then it's buh-bye....well buh-bye to you too....I'll have a dicussion with someone who will discuss and not blame.
When you can't fight facts for facts then it's buh-bye.
Facts, stick to the facts...sm
The subject here is the media and their treatment of Gov. Palin, which continues to this day, to this minute, by the liberal left.
Tthe media threw down their gauntlet as soon as she was picked on that Friday, and hounded her for almost a full week.
And you think she should have waved a white flag at them in her acceptance speech? She put them on notice, that she is above them. And continues to be, with grace and style.
She's not whining, and neither are we.
I just shake my head at your audacity.
The media is the one that started this with her, and you would do well to remember the facts in her case.
IN this case, the facts are the facts.........
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You had better do some better research. sm
Hillary, at the cost of millions of dollars from her special forces team (none of whom knew a thing about writing a health care bill, including herself) put together an over 1300 page "booklet" which was such a dismal failure, not even the democrats would get behind it. Ted Kennedy wants socialized medicine. Ask Canada and England what they think of socialized medicine. You really can't go around blaming republicans for everything without at least doing some research.
did my research
Oh, I did my research and I lived through the times when President Clinton and the First Lady tried to get a universal health plan. The republicans wanted nothing to do with it. Socialized health care? Better than no health care for millions of americans. At least President Clinton got the country talking about universal health care, more than Bush has done. All Bush has done is push his programs that benefit the rich. Example, his tax cuts. The rich got over 91,000 dollars in tax cuts each, the working class got 200 to 300 dollars, I didnt get anything. Bush is a disaster and I think you need to do a bit of research. Conservative equals not wanting change. Liberal means wanting to change and progress and move forward with new ideas, plans, bettering the country. You conservatives are stuck in the 1940s and 1950s mentality. Gotta tell ya, time moves on and if you dont move and grow with it, you will be left behind. It is obvious conservatism is a dying ideology, liberalism and sharing among the people of the world is the ideology of the future.
Do a little research on...
the bombings in Yugoslavia and the targeted bombings of civilians. Secondly, one coulud make an argument (you certainly would have if GWB had been president from 1992 until 2000) that Al-Qaeda ratched up it's attacks and most certainly planned the entire 9/11 attack during Clintons administration. From the 1993 failed WTC attack right on through all the rest, until the end of term, one cannot even argue that Bin Laden was left unchecked and unhindered.
Do some research
If you really care about why Jews believe life begins with the first breath, do some research, starting in the Old Testament. There is a lot of information available on the internet. I don't care to explain it all, when I really don't think you give a hoot about what I believe.
Basically, it is a matter of soul. We don't believe one has a soul until we are born and take our first breath.
Please...do the research....
even those scientists in search of grants who agree with him for that express purpose, conclude that he "might be a little off" on some things...saying that the catastrophic things he implies are imminent are MILLENIA away...that means thousands of years. Fossil fuels will be long gone by then and so will we. So...has NOTHING to do with peace.
It's you who needs to research/think
but I won't take any bets on either!
Are you really unable to follow what is meant by "MCcain voted 'with Bush'...? here's a clue: its not meant to be taken literally. MCCAIN VOTED FOR BUSH POLICIES 90% of the time. Do you still not get it?
And, my post wasn't about the DEMOCRATS - it was about McCain's voting record! But change the subject if you want...
anything but respond to the factual point(s)I made.
After you go do your research, come back and report WHETHER OR NOT McCain supported Bush's policies (voted for) anything near the 90% range...
For the record, I AM NOT A DEMOCRAT, nor do I defend them.
All you have to do is the research...
Democrats were at the top of this, Democrats passed the "reform" that was the straw that broke the camel's pack. Smoke and mirrors, deny, deny. It's all out there for anyone to see...Raines and Gorelick. Cleaned up at the American peoples' expense.
This one isn't. Research it. nm
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research it.....sm
I don't have time to do it for you, but all these CEOs of all these big corps that have gone under? Liberal democrats, probably all of them. Just look around for the info. It's there.
Makes me sick the way they blame George Bush and the Republicans, when it was the liberal congress getting their pockets lined to keep legislation from passing that would have kept fannie and freddie from happening, and whole boatload of other crap from happening.
Blame game...blame the republicans, when it's really yourself that caused the problem.
At least I just heard McCain finally get some kahunas and called Obama on his ties to all this.
You are SO right! I did some research on
this myself in the Journal of Socialist Affairs in America, and this was undeniably what was happening. A similar view is put forth on the unifyingamerica.org website. George Soros, Bill Rudgear, and Jonah Winston have just GOT to go!
He are a few. Do a little more research yourself instead...sm
of putting your faith in what a right-wing rag has to say. If your read all those requisitions for grants they were all for worthy causes in a poor Chicago neighborhood, children/youth/elderly programs. Because there was no oversight on how the money was spent it appears that some of the grant money that went to 1 of the organizations may have been misspent and is under investigation. This happened way back in 2000. In 2006 when Obama was no longer in the Illinois legislature, this same organization was given an additional $20,000. Do you want to blame Obama for that too? I venture to say I have done more research on the subject than you have.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article
http://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/2008/DCEO_1.pdf
http://www.illinois.gov/pressreleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=3&RecNum=1378
Research is everything.......it keeps getting
Don't forget that factcheck.org is part of the Annenberg School at the University of Pennsylvania and is funded by the Annenberg Foundation that employed Obama in Chicago.
do some research
For starters, they have the highest tax in the nation (10.25, as I recall my sister telling me, who lives there). Major militants. Their idea of replacing a retired politician is neoptism. I don't recall the name, but my sister was telling me about it. They also pay big-time for car emission tests, stuff like that. Do some research and see what you think. After all, it's the home of Rev. Wright & Father Phleger.
Research this.....
Perhaps there are SOME out there who are beginning to get 'the picture'.
The following is a narrative taken from Sunday Morning's televised "Meet The
Press'. and the author is employed by none other than the Washington Post!!
Yeah......the Washington Post of New York and Los Angeles Times fame!! Must
say that I'm dually impressed..................
From Sunday's Televised "Meet the Press" Senator Obama was asked about his
stance on the American Flag. Obama Explains National Anthem Stance
Sun, 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, General Bill Ginn' USAF (ret.) asked
Obama to explain why he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is
played. The General also stated to the Senator that according to the United
States Code,
Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171... During rendition of the national anthem
when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected
to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. At
the very least, "Stand and Face It"
Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, "As I've said about the flag pin, I
don't want to be perceived as taking sides, Obama said. 'There are a lot of
people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And
the anthem itself conveysa war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in
air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less
bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing.' If that
were our anthem, then I might salute it."We should consider to reinvent our
National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies
hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the
level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we as a Nation of
warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas
peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our
governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end
hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and
a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed
upon the nations of Islam anunfair injustice. My wife disre spects the Flag
for many personal reasons. Together she and I have attended several flag
burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has herviews and I have
mine". Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of
the United States and I have put aside my hatred. I will use my power to
bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path of hope. My
wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First Family. Indeed,
CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America.
WHAAAAAAAT the HEL**!!!
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it right. This could possibly be our
next President.I, for one, am speechless.
Dale Lindsborg, Washington Post
Maybe YOU should research it
http://www.startribune.com/local/31213379.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUMEaPc:E7_ec7PaP3iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU
Do a little research
for yourself. I'm sure you can find a snippet on the internet somewhere. Find it and hear whatever you want to hear or hear what was said, no concern of mine what you want to think.
Do you ever do your own research?
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Do your research if you want
The information came from the Teamster's newsletter. The issues and voting dates are there in the previous post. Shouldn't be hard to verify the Wasilla Police Dept, also.
Okay, my research says -
publicly funded hospitals cannot refuse abortions, privately owned hospitals can.
Doctors and support staff can refuse to perform abortions or to assist physicians in abortions.
Thank you...I will research this a bit more
before I make a decision, but I at least don't believe that anyone placed it there to harm anyone on purpose. Unfortunately, these things do happen, even here at home, i.e., Hinkley, which is not too far from where I grew up. Not to say that it is okay, but certainly I don't think it is intentional. Just handled poorly once discovered. Thank you for your kind thoughts and wishes and, of course, I pray that my husband is not subjected to such things. I might feel differently if he were. I am with you about what military receives in return. We need a raise!!! Hope you have a Merry Christmas!
You need to do some research
The following appeared in the Durham, N.C., local paper as a letter to the Editor on Feb. 15, 2004.
Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11!
Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims:
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled Al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
Worst president in history? Think about it!
Research?
So your idea of research is reading a Bloomberg post and then calling people names? Under whose watch did the bank failures occur? Under whose watch was deregulation an obsession?
Chavez is almost as crazy as the GOP, so I take anything he says as seriously as anything the congressional GOP says.
Like it or not, if banks are insolvent then the entire worldwide economy grinds to a stinking halt. You think global unrest is bad now? You ain't seen nothing yet.
I hope your transcribing expertise is a little better than your understanding of politics and economics.
Sheesh...
Do more research...
They have found a gene.
Please do some more research - nm
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Yep, you did your research......(sm)
too bad it didn't have anything to do with the topic being discussed. 
Yep, you did your research......(sm)
too bad it didn't have anything to do with the topic being discussed.
Yes, I am also going to research some of these s/m
things brought up in the film. As far as believing if our government is capable of risking and taking lives of their own people, I absolutely do believe that it has been done many times in the past, so Bush and Cheney are by far not the only potential villains to the story. I have a good friend who is writing a book based on her brother's life (he died last year) detailing some of his experiences being involved as an operative connected to the US Military as well as the CIA. and he confided these goings on to her before he died, and she said it is extremely explosive stuff. I had her watch the movie just to get her opinion, and she related to me that this stuff is not at all surprising to her, based on the stories she heard from her brother.
Regardless of what you might believe or not believe about this movie, it is provocative and thought provoking and very interesting in all the "coincidences" that seem to be wrapped around these events and bears more than just a glancing interest by anyone who is concerned about the state of our country today.
So thank you for at least checking it out for yourself and not jumping on me for just trying to open up some sort of grown-up dialogue on this.
Also, if you do you research...
he cannot possibly raise enough to pay for it all, even close, by just taxing the so-called "rich." And..by the way...the so-called rich are also most of the employers in this country. People who pay no taxes and can't afford their own health care certainly don't employ anyone. I sure don't. Believe me, common sense tells me and should tell you that you are going to have to bear part of the burden, unless you join the ranks of those who don't pay federal income taxes.
I did some research on this and what I found is that he DID NOT
get paid for this case, it was pro bono.
"Roberts' work on the case was one of several he helped handle as part of his pro bono work at Hogan & Hartson, a prominent Washington law firm that expected its partners to volunteer their time to assist in community service.
Source - LA Times
In his answers to the Senate questionnaire, Roberts talked more generally about his volunteer work.
"My pro bono legal activities were not restricted to providing services for the disadvantaged," he wrote, explaining that he often donated his time and expertise on projects by working behind the scenes."
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:Uy77hebjJ60J:www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi%3FArtNum%3D103923+roberts+paid+pro+bono&hl=en
You might want to research first before posting.
According to Forbes, Bush's net worth, including real estate is $15 million. His only home, in Crawford, is appraised at $988, 353.
In contrast, Associated Press, published the following story, which has Kerry's net worth at $33,000,000. Twice that of Bush. He has a $700,000 yacht. Also, his homes are enumerated below. That's homes as in plural and they are all multimillion dollar homes.
The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com
Published March 23, 2004
ASSOCIATED PRESS
From a sailing mecca to a ski resort, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, enjoy the trappings of their wealth in at least five homes and vacation getaways across the country valued at nearly $33 million.
Some are private escapes for the family, while others serve as prime spots to host fund-raisers and exclusive gatherings for wealthy donors. All reflect the couple's status -- he is a four-term Massachusetts senator, she is heiress to the $500 million family ketchup fortune.
Each home has a place in the family's life, with its own history and mission, from the preppy island of Nantucket and Boston's Beacon Hill to the Pittsburgh countryside, the Idaho mountains and the nation's capital.
Mr. Kerry is on a weeklong break from the campaign at the home in the wooded mountains of Ketchum, Idaho. Located near the banks of the Big Wood River, the nearly $5 million house is a reassembled barn, originally built in England in 1485 and brought to Idaho by Mrs. Kerry's late husband, H. John Heinz III. The Pennsylvania Republican senator died in a plane crash in 1991.
The Heinz family has had the house since 1966 and traditionally spends time there in August and during the Christmas holidays -- often throwing a New Year's Eve party capped with fireworks.
While Ketchum provides a respite from politics, the tony Beacon Hill brownstone in Boston has been a more frequent campaign way station for Mr. Kerry and his wife. It is the only residence that is theirs as a couple. And, assessed at nearly $7 million, it is the residence that Mr. Kerry mortgaged last year to finance more than $6 million in loans to his campaign.
Their other homes, ranging in value from more than $3 million to nearly $9.2 million, belong to Mrs. Kerry and predate her 1995 marriage to the Massachusetts senator. Several are still listed under the name of her late husband.
Formerly part of a convent, the five-story, 12-room Boston town house -- with six fireplaces, a rooftop deck and an elevator -- is Mr. Kerry's main residence. It is where he is registered to vote and is located blocks from the Statehouse.
While that is their newest home, Mrs. Kerry has had a Massachusetts presence for years.
Just beyond the historic Brant Point Lighthouse in Nantucket's harbor is Mrs. Kerry's $9.1 million waterfront estate. Rimmed by tall hedges, with a wide deck and a lawn that reaches to the beach, the three-story, five-bedroom manse was the site of the couple's Memorial Day weekend wedding in 1995.
Since then, the house has been used for campaign retreats and Democratic receptions for the party's big-money donors.
While Mr. Kerry calls Boston home, Mrs. Kerry's base is Pittsburgh, which is her longtime residence and the headquarters of the Heinz Family Philanthropies, which she chairs.
Located on a $3.7 million, 90-acre family farm in Fox Chapel, the home is a nine-room white colonial fronted with six columns, and at the end of a steep drive, hidden from the road by a curtain of woods. The property includes a deep-red, nine-room carriage house.
This is where Mrs. Kerry raised her three sons and where she is registered to vote.
Their fifth home, in Georgetown, is perhaps the most utilitarian, and is necessary to accommodate the time they spend in Washington when the Senate is in session. Also belonging to Mrs. Kerry, the 23-room, $4.7 million town house, with its wide stairway and landscaped courtyard, is filled with antiques, fine art and family photos.
HOMES SWEET HOMES
Presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, divide their time among five homes across the country.
•Boston: A five-story, 12-room Beacon Hill town house that serves as Mr. Kerry's main residence. Assessed value: $6.9 million.
•Nantucket, Mass.: A three-story, five-bedroom waterfront retreat on Brant Point. Assessed value: $9.18 million.
•Washington, D.C.: A 23-room town house in Georgetown. Proposed 2005 assessment: $4.7 million.
•Ketchum, Idaho: A ski getaway converted from a reassembled barn near Sun Valley. Assessed value: $4.9 million. Mrs. Kerry also owns two adjoining lots valued at $1.5 million and $1.8 million.
•Fox Chapel, Pa.: A nine-room colonial on nearly 90 acres in suburban Pittsburgh. The property also includes a nine-room carriage house. Assessed value: $3.7 million.
Spoken by somebody who KNOWS how to RESEARCH.
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Doing research at the Huffpost is like...
Learning to be a doctor from watching General Hospital. Mostly fluff to the left.
That's what they WANT you to believe...don't fall for it...do more research...nm
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Oh but it does...research the laws regarding...
citizenship.
Here is some...you can research for more yourself...there is plenty
on the net.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-24-Biden-son_N.htm
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5965332.htm
More on MBNA connection to Biden:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZDU4OTdhMTFhN2YwZTY3MmMzNGFhYzc3ODdhOTA0ZjQ
More on lobbyists...they all have them on staff:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lobbyists-on-obamas-08-payroll-2007-12-20.html
http://www.newsweek.com/id/138519
Thanks - I've got more research to do
I'm seeing that the founding fathers (the one's that everyone is familiar with (Jefferson, Adams, Washington, etc) were Deists (not Christians). But there were a lot of others I'm not familiar with so I want to do more research and read up about them. Sam wrote some good info and I just haven't had time yet to thoroughly read it, but I do understand a lot of the "fathers" were deists. I hate to post though before I read more and then I look the fool if I'm wrong.
Character? Have you done any research at all...
about how quickly he rose through Chicago politics? The Daly machine? The people he has dealth with? His 20-year association with black liberation theology? He admitted in his own book he went to socialist conferences and was "exposed" to Marxist literature. None of this really matters to you? Is the United Socialist States of America (sounds suspiciously like the USSR, does it not?) what you really want? If so...vote enthusiastically for Obama. How any thinking person can ignore all this boggles the mind...but of course, it has happened in other countries (Cuba, Venezuela...Russia...), it can happen here too.
No way, no how, could I be any part in putting that man in the White House, especially with a Democratic majority in the Congress.
We would be hosed...all of us...and partly at the hands of our countymen/women. Ironic, doncha think?
If ANYONE would take the time to research
they would see in black and whtie that he has continuously voted to NOT NOT NOT cut taxes. He has never wanted to cut taxes whenever a bill comes up to do so. And yet, those O lovers thing he will actually cut taxes, which goes against everything he has ever voted for. This zebra will not change his stripes. He has wanted to raise taxes and anyone with half a brain can see with all the proposed social programs he wants, the ONLY way to get them will be to raise taxes.
There are actually folks out there that think they will get a tax cut. Right!!!!!
Not only do you have an adversion to research,
How is is that in a republican majority senate and congress, bills get killed by democrats? If they were so determined to have oversight, the pubs could have always tacked it on as a sweetener to some other must-pass piece of legislation like they did with the "rescue" package, adding on another 150 billion dollars to that socialist taxpayer bailout expense for those disgusting corporate welfare deadbeats.
What I don't have time for is an answer to the knee-jerk pub reaction when confronted with a few facts. The graph was found in Wikipedia. Of course there are mountains of sources to back up these relatively tame claims regarding the Bush economy. I already did my research. Perhaps you might try doing the same before your next post....it helps lend a little credibility to your argument.
By the way, if McCain's supporters are unprepared to defend their own candidate and rely on the likes of SAM (give me a break) as a spokesperson, no wonder their campaign is such a disaster.
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