You call a difference in perception a lie?!
Posted By: I didn't see a lie on 2005-11-28
In Reply to: Credibility - Observer
What's wrong with you and the others that you are always calling people liars? I mean that is a serious question. You don't know me, I don't know you. I have no preconceived notions about any of you. I just thought things were handled badly, however, to call ME a liar because I perceived something differently....that's kind of disturbing to me. And certainly not a place open to discussion. I'll go back to the Yahoo board I usually post on. I don't recall anyone ever calling anyone a liar on there. It must be this board. LOL.
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That's your perception
the whole was it legal issue is still being hashed out. Again, who has been abused by this? None of Pres. Bush's accusers can seem to find any abuses of innocent American people. Again, you have no idea about intelligence. When you sign onto a public internet or make a phone call using a public phone system you are not guaranteed privacy. Now, if someone was breaking into your house and planting bugs--that's another story.
Again, what's your beef with catching terrorists?
Just my perception, I guess.
I don't have specific reasons, it's just the way I view you guys in general. I guess you just seem to disagree with 99% of posts on this board, so you seem to be polar opposites to all things even remotely liberal. Please feel free to set me straight if I'm wrong. I honestly don't mind at this point. I did get sick of arguing with you over the SCHIP plan and just grew weary of the whole argument, but I really do like a good debate and do learn things through arguing. I don't think I'll have any reason to argue with you on this though, because obviously you would just be describing how you classify yourself, which is obviously completely up to you.
I understand your perception....
it is the same perception I have of liberals...polar opposites to anything remotely conservative. Sooo we do have something in common...lol. I am still trying to figure out what a liberal really is...I asked the question and got so many different answers...but none of the answers I got seemed to fit with the posting that I see here. So color me confused.
I had been a registered Independent for many years...however, this election and this group of candidates was too important to me, so I changed my affiliation to Republican so that I could vote in the primaries. I don't toe the party line and never have.
I do look forward to discussions with you...seriously. But let's call it debate and discussion and not arguing...lol. Put a positive "spin" on it so to speak. ;-)
Have a good evening, kam.. :-)
The problem with your perception...(sm)
of these things is that you don't look for the cause. If you don't know the cause of a situation, it is impossible to fix it.
North Korea is flexing it's muscles right now because they know (along with the rest of the world) that militarily right now we are spread so thin it's ridiculous. Wonder what caused that? And your solution to North Korea would be? Perhaps an invasion--- with what? Are you ready to implement a draft for this purpose? Maybe we should just nuke them? I don't think Russia would be too happy about that, especially when we're getting ready to renew nuke disarmament treaties with them. So what are our options? How about talking to other countries (aka 6-party talks) and getting some backup? That is what's happening in that situation.
Why do you think so many in the Middle East hate us so desparately? Could it be that our foreign policy over there has been absolutely dreadful? Maybe it's because we treat Isreal like a shrine and provide them with the means to terrorize the region, and all we do for other countries in the area is trade out dictators -- the same ones that would treat women like dirt? Keep in mind that we facilitated the rise of Sadaam.
My answer to this is exactly what Obama is doing. Talk to other countries. Work with them instead of trying to rule them. Accept the fact that everyone in the world does not share our ideas of freedom or our perception of how things should be done. This is the kind of thinking that will lead to a more stable Middle East (as well as other volitile regions) because this is the kind of thinking that will change US foreign policy --- something that is long overdue.
BTW, China is right. We are the cause of the economic mess the world is in. They are simply stating facts.
Perception and spin are so interesting
The shoe-throwing incident is a perfect example. I saw Bush pretty nimbly dodging the thrown shoe, not ducking or "cowering" as some of the MSM talking heads described it, just whipping his torso to the side briefly, and centering up again with remarkable aplomb.
Wondering what he was supposed to do: Stand still and get smacked? Execute a perfect tai kwon do block? Catch and throw it back? Just askin'.......
Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner. LOL....
GP, I like your sense of humor.
You call it hysteria, some call it concern for the
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Then call it what it is...or call for conservation...
but don't make up a myth to try to gain control. That is what Gore is after...what all the global warming hoohah is after. They have an agenda...pure and simple. And the base fact is that a very low percentage of the greenhouse gas effect is from cars. Every time you breathe out, you contribute. Are we all going to stop breathing? Are cows going to stop belching? I have no problem with ethanol...I have used it. My husband is from Iowa...I would love it if we started using ethanol more extensively. But in previous years, Democrats (Hillary being a primary one) opposed the use of ethanol. I guess if I believed any of those people out there hawking global warming actually believed what they were saying it would be different...but I don't. The science is not there. As I said...if the real interest is conservation with the side benefit of less CO2...fine. Just say so. But as the article pointed out...if it is as bad as they say it is, you can't stop it anyway. It just does not make good sense to me.
Fine. Call if whatever you want to call it....
I will call it as I see it. I look at a totality of things. He has embraced black liberation theology which is racist and has Marxist tones for 20 years. There is no way the man went to that church for 20 years and did not know their doctrine. But, if you choose to believe that, again, fine. I do not. I believe he knows that theology backward and forward and believes it to his core. You don't have to. That is the wonderful thing about America. We can agree or disagree. On this we disagree.
Yes, I am feeling a pinch. But I don't think the government should take money from you and give it to me. I don't think they should take money from any private business and give it to me. If you think that is fair, fine. I don't. That is how socialism/Marxism takes hold. Historically it ends the same way. I don't want that for America. Perhaps you do...you want the pinch eased for you and if that means taking money from someone else that they earned, and giving it to you, who did not earn it, to you it is all good. To me it isn't.
He never has said who the $1000 checks are going to. I am thinking not every person in the whole US of A...so not only does he get to choose who he takes the money from, he gets to choose who to give it to. That would be another interesting piece of the puzzle. If he confirms to the Marxist view, it would be issuing checks to the "poor." And he gets to define who that is. You may be okay with that...me, not so much.
And by the way...have you ever researched an oil company profit margin? It is not as huge as Obama would like you to believe. But, again, he is counting on no one researching what he says. They hear free money and that's all they want to hear. Also, do you think oil companies don't employ people? You think it is one CEO at a desk in an office raking in billions? You don't think there are rank and file regular folks who work for oil companies? Whose jobs might be impacted by you and others wanting to take money away from their employers and doling it out to people who have not earned it? You think there is a chance they might have a problem with that?
I call, fax, and call again and I do campaign....
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The only difference between
Rudolph and Osama bin Laden is that one is Christian and one is Muslim. Other than that, there is no limit to their hatred.
To say that clinic workers at an abortion clinic are just as guilty as Rudolph is, at its best, INSANE. Those clinic workers broke no laws. Rudolph not only broke the law, he violated the "Thall shalt not kill" commandment that you all claim to believe in.
But, as with Bush in Iraq, it's okay if people kill, as long as they're the people you worship. I truly don't understand people like you, and I don't wish to. Frankly, you all frighten me, and I won't be reading your posts any more because I find them too disturbing.
Difference
I think it is a little bit different when it is coming from the president of the USA than someone driving on a freeway. At least, that is my opinion. Maybe you dont have high expectations for the leaders, I do.
big difference
The attorney is helping the person wronged by the corporation. The corporation is paying lobbyists to change laws so the little hurt guy cant get any satisfaction in court for being hurt. That is the difference. Big difference, if you ask me. Do you think Kenneth Lay lost sleep over all of his employess who lost jobs because of his criminal activity? He says he did but I doubt it.
I see the difference
The government is corrupt. The people are good. I'm so glad that you are posting here. I'm sure the people of Iran only want peace and freedom and to be out from under the rule of mean, evil people. Some people in the United States cannot comprehend what being under a tyrannical leader is all about. They have not experienced it like many countries in the Middle East have. We have a good leader, but many have been led to believe that he is not good. They don't understand that people around the world are being brutally killed and terorized by their own leaders who are supposed to have their best interests in mind. They are the truly oppressed and I pray for them daily. I pray that a peaceful solution will happen in Iran, and that the president will come to understand that he cannot win a war with the rest of the free world who will not let him have nuclear weapons because he has proven to be a man most untrustworthy and threatening to many countries including Israel and the U.S.
I believe the difference...
is between free speech and slander/libel. Everyone has a right to an opinion and to voicing that opinion as long as one does not libel and/or slander a particular individual(s). Since the widows were named and The ***WTC victims*** were not, one is free speech, albeit lunatic fringe free speech, and one is not.
To weigh in on the subject of Coulter; she makes her living saying and writing outrageous stuff. She is a shock jock. If she started writing books like William Safire does, no one would read them and she would not be on every talk show on the airwaves. It is her job to be repugnant and she does it quite well. I don't listen to her, don't read her books. I don't listen to Howard Stern either; nor Rush, nor Grover, nor anyone who makes my blood boil. It is an exercise in futility to try to change anyone's mind on the stuff these people say. You love them or hate them and so I just avoid them.
Same difference
Within 24 hours of taping? I reiterate the point I made above. And when you buy things from a private company unless they state it outright they might turn around sell your information to other advertisers. Unless you can produce where you signed a waiver of privacy, like you do at a doctor's office, you are not guaranteed that your information will be kept private.
I guess any good consumer could elect not to have phone service. That's one way to keep your conversations private. It's a bummer when it comes to communcation, but unless your plotting something illegal you really shouldn't have a problem should you?
Here's the difference between you and I.
I don't expect an apology. I do wonder though, why you rail so against Ann and had not a word to say about Ward Churchill. I would have liked some liberal input on that post and got none. I think what he said was a lot worse.
What's the difference?
It's okay for President Bush to get political but it's not okay for his employers (the American citizens) to do the same thing? That would be the norm in a fascist government ruled by a dictator like Iran. Is that where we're heading in America today?
Grandma's comment regarding the number of American troops killed in Iraq approaching the number of civilians killed on 9/11 was a very relevant comment, considering Bush himself exploited 9/11 in order to justify invading and occupying Iraq when it turns out Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
there IS a difference
i just stated in my above reply that yes I should have clearly stated I meant the people that use it as a form of birth control, who does THAT? not for medical reasons. I see there is a reason for it sometimes, of course.
the difference is
UAW workers were offered the same as workers in the U.S. who work for Honda, Toyota, etc. (not what they are paid working in foreign countries)
Yes, but there's a big difference between - sm
working in the government while concurrently believing in and practicing one's religion for their OWN USE.
What I have a huge problem with is when people use it to try to CONTROL OTHER PEOPLE.
Unfortunately, too many overzealous religious groups worldwide are doing just that.
key difference
Obama has proven himself over and over as thoughtful, knowledgible, and decent. SP has shown she has been heavily coached and has no real understanding or knowledge about foreign affairs. She has to have a teleprompter or a speech written for her. You in fact stated she kept the money from the Bridge to Alaska, confirming she has been repeating a lie about rejecting it on the campaign trail everyday..As far as Obama on O'Reilly. Of course I did not watch. The last thing I watched about Bill O'Reilly was where he threw the temper tantrum and ripped off the mike and threw on the counter and shouted obscenities at the staff because he did not understand the cue card.
I do believe him. What is the difference in....
believing him and believing what Obama says? Obama had lobbyists working for him; until just a month ago Joe biden's son was a professional lobbyist. Indeed, let's try to be objective here.
What's the difference?
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difference
One of the big differences between Palin and Clinton was their educations and years of experiences. How many years and how many colleges did it take Palin to get a journalism degree? Shows me that she really isn't that bright.
The difference is......
If it's not being put on this country's balance sheet as a HUGE debt, which is proper protocol for any business, that means they are saying it doesn't exist, it will just go away, and it will not be counted as liability. Who in the heck does that? You take your books to your local CPA and tell him you want him to do that and watch the look he gives you....... the look will be "fraud", and his response will be, "Uh, no, that is illegal", I don't do that".
If they want to pretend it is not our country's debt, then ask yourself who is overlooking the debt and what are they really doing with it......or better question, ask what they are really doing with your money? Without it being on the top line of the balance sheet, there is nothing that regulates they have to pay anything off. Get it?
There is a difference between the two
The consertatives you list are political commentators. They can have their own shows and columns, etc. Many liberals do.
Huffington Post puts itself out there as a newspaper, a NEWS source if you will. Problem is, they are all biased to the left so it's not being fair. Should not be called a newspaper if they can't be fair on both sides.
JMHO.
The difference is you believe her, I don't. S/M
And please, Sam, spare me the "sheeshes" and "good griefs." I don't belittle YOU because YOU don't agree with me. I never said anything about throwing her under the bus. She is looking out for herself and I feel sure her eyeballs are on the nomination for the 2012 election. If they are elected and I am wrong about them, you'll see me here fessing up.
What's the difference?
Investigating voter fraud and/or fraudulent candidate is one way to fix the economy. Do you really want someone in charge of your money that has paid a corrupt organization to pay people to go out and enlist voters, the same voter over and over, which by the way is illegal, as well as doctor documents and fraudulently sign people up that do not exist, including those already deceased, just to get the job? Anyone who would want that deserves whatever economy they get I suppose.
Obama's taxing us more to pay for all his social programs sure as heck isn't a way to fix the economy or have you overlooked that very significant point?
I think even you know the difference between the
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For those of you who don't know the difference...
between American news and real world news, here's a suggestion:
http://www.linktv.org/
Before you start in by saying, well that's just more liberal media, look who contributing authors are and where they are from. This is just one example of real world news. Step outside of the box for a while.
Big difference there
You are talking about a city of rapists, they raped men and women. This is not a story about a gay couple living as a married couple.
There's a difference...(sm)
Electing a president -- constitutional
Taking away civil rights -- unconstitutional.
If the majority were to rule in all instances, you would not have had the right to vote.
Big difference in an HMO and the
provision in this bill. Don't like the HMO, you can go somewhere else. With total government control, where will you go? No where, just kow tow. I don't know anyone who could think it is right to withhold medical care from the infirm, the elderly, and children with devastatinly incurable diseases, anyone not deemed by government as being a productive citizen worthy of having medical care, those who will be a drain on the healthcare system. I don't want to know anyone who could support withholding medical care from the most vulnerable in our country.
See, maybe that's the difference.
Mom made it without any meat in it, which I guess really shouldn't be considered chili, but that's what she called it. It was more tomato base and chili powder with beans and macaroni. Not really tasty at all and I still can't pass chili at the store or at a restaurant without cringing.
But the difference is..
He had, what? 8 years to put us in this mess?
You people are so excited about seeing PRESIDENT Obama fail, that you practically shout with glee when you think he is over his head.
He is very intelligent, unlike the past president, and will get us out of this mess.
The difference between me and you...(sm)
is that you think it's the end of the world if you have to help someone else, while I consider it a privilige to be in the position to do so. Greed isn't going to make all our problems go away. It didn't help anything over the last 8 years and it won't help in the future. The sooner people figure that out, the sooner we have a chance at actually restoring this country to what it should be.
What would be the difference ?
She said she was trying to end her pregnancy..........
but if she had been trying to commit suicide, the baby would have died as well. So where are the boundaries? The mother may have lived but the baby die or still end up born and in critical condition. What's the difference? They would no doubt go after her anyway for injury to her now born child but abortion is still perfectly okay because our government has no problem with the mother ending her pregnancy with the help of a physician but they do have a problem with a mother trying to end her pregnancy herself WITHOUT the aid of a doctor.
Go figure!!
How sorry for you that you don't know the difference!!!
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One big difference.
I am not telling this person what to do like you are. I am defending this person's right to choose. What she chooses to do is her business, not your business, my business, or anyone else's business.
There's no difference in what was in there before
And what is in there now. The same people running the country before are still running the country now.
Your point on foreign policy...let's see...the annointed one still is sending troops in an unjustified war. Since you think he's so much better than Bush was and it was all Bush's fault that 911 happened, then the O should pull our troops back because now that he's president nothing like that will ever happen again. Therefore we don't need to be at war anymore. The annointed one's plan for being at war, sending more troops to war, not having a timeline to bring our troops home, etc, etc, really shows the lack of experience and knowledge he has in foreign affairs. And so much for being the savior of the world as he was told at the G20 that "not no, but he!! no are we going to send our troops to a war you insist on continuing with".
I would not dismiss the whole torture thing yet, but am sure if it continues on you'll be fine with it because it's being done under the O's watch and that's just fine with you.
Then there is trippling the deficit, continued layoffs, the "hope" campaign tactic totally forgotten now that he's in. Americans have nothing to hope for or plan for. And this goes to show how little knowledge and experience he has in domestic affairs.
The time for "I feel your pain" is over. The time for him to keep his campaign promises is here. I often wonder if the girl (who boasted on TV that she doesn't have to worry about paying her rent, gas, or bills anymore). I wonder if she's gotten her checks from the O yet. I doubt it.
Growing government twice the size or more of what we had. Not honoring his promise to do away with the patriot act, but instead he's signed it and it's worse than it ever was under the Bush administration. Forcing young adults 18-24 to be drafted (but calling it volunteer mandatory - an oxymoron), not taxing people under 250K, oops I mean 225K, oops I mean 200K, oops I mean 150K. Any hopes I had for a decent person to hold the office, decent people in congress to work for the people and not for themselves, and any hopes for a future have fast dwindled.
And you posted an MSLSD article? Pleeeeaase. They lost any credibility a long time ago. Now they are just a bunch of whiny children because they are losing so many viewers.
The difference is............ sm
that "teabagging" or "teabaggers" is considered an offensive sexual term whereas Kool-aid drinkers and Obamatrons is not. I know you know the difference based on the last paragraph of you post.
Do you not know the difference...(sm)
between speech that incites violence versus voicing one's opinion? On Hannity's website he listed 3 types of revolutions (all of which would be violent -- as in no option for a peaceful revolution) and asked which one would you choose. That would be the same as asking someone would you like to stab, drown or suffocate this person? What do you honestly think the implication is with this type of rhetoric? Get a clue.
there is a big difference
A business is there to make money; a church or religious gathering is there to worship. Congregations of people do not form the basis of a business, the intent to make a profit does.
Here's the difference...(sm)
Yeah, there are far left nut jobs just like on the right. However, we (the left) recognize those nut jobs and don't defend them. You guys do defend your nuts.
The homeland security report that came out specifically pointed out threats by extremist right-wingers. So what did you guys do? You defended them by demanding an apology. So, what I see is that you self identified with what was pointed out to be extremists. Why? I believe it's because that's where the base of the pub party is right now.
exactly right. Not much difference regarding
foreign policy, had Mousavi won, but still a better negotiator for Obama.
The difference is.....
An independent has "independent thought". An independent sees the good and bad of both sides, and makes their decisions and thought processes based on the substance of the material being discussed and uses their own reasoning to come to conclusions.
A liberal is much much different (as are the uber-conservatives). Both parties are tied to the parties (even though they say they vote based on the person - they do not). They like to hide and pronounce they are independent when they know are not. They don't think for themselves, they will always blame the other side for everything and never take responsibility in their own party. They cannot think on their own and they believe word for word what people like Olberman, Matthews, Maddow, Hannity, and other propagandists for their party spew (yes I can name some others but you get the point). Liberals and uber-conservatives do not meet anyone down the middle. It's their way or the highway and they are arrogant.
So - an idependent is a free thinker. A liberal and uber-conservative does not think on their own and they just spew what they are told is the way it should be. And they don't think and realize something is wrong with the picture because "Olberman/Matthews or Hannity said it is".
Also an independent does not resort to calling people names and does not have the elitist attitude that they are "better than thou" and they don't say to right to your face like the libs do.
The only difference is...
so far OUR government hasn't responded by beating some of us to death or shooting some of us...though the way Barry is giving more and more control to the government (him) and less and less to the people (us)....who knows where we will be by the time his term is over. Heck, by then, he may just declare himself President again and dispense with the voting...sigh.
Definitely a fundamental difference in the two.sm
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When does a difference become a distortion?
These are the facts: MT stated she was going to Iraq. She said it, you defended her for whatever reason. If you cannot see that what she said was an untruth then you appear to have a distorted view of reality.
Yes, but the difference is, no one corrected YOU.
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