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You have outlined a perfect example why we were beat in November. sm

Posted By: Brunson on 2005-07-23
In Reply to: foolish?? Maybe republicans, not democrats - gt

People are tired of the dirty fighting.  If you want to fight, don't act like a bunch of 3 year olds on a chat board.  Namecalling and wishing people ill is not going to win you anything but disdain.  I certainly don't want you representing me on the left.  Do you know what they are talking about on the conservative board?  Current affairs and dying war heroes.  In other words, SUBSTANTIAL stuff.  How about trying that here for a change instead of the totally ridiculous Google searches.  My God.


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    His facts were off about a lot, too. This is outlined
    xx
    Just like only on November 4th or 5th will we know
    su
    Elections are in November.

    The financial crisis is happening NOW and has to be handled NOW.  Our country is collapsing.  If we do not do some sort of bail out, we all will still suffer from this.  The value of the dollar will go down.  It will be much much harder and pretty much impossible for some to get loans from banks.  This means people won't be buying anything big like vehicles, homes, etc.  That will ruin sales even more than it is now.  Car companies will have to cut back on production because people can't get loans to buy.  The car dealers will start closing down because you can't make money if you can't sell vehicles.  Think of the jobs lost right there and that is just with vehicles. 


    I don't feel that we should have to foot the bill.  I'm totally disgusted that our government has allowed it to get this far out of wack but we have to do something to get money back into the market.  If we do nothing, the consequence will be horrific.  We have to do something and we have to do something fast and that is more important than a debate especially since we have until November for elections.


    They Won't be Lauging Come November
    Let them keep up the ignorant posts, trying to twist Bush's incompetence and make into something Obama did. The voters will speak for everyone in the fall. Bye-bye pubs!
    Let's spew hate until November 5.
    x
    Sam will be silenced in November when Obama wins!
    Rest assured, I will not waste one more moment discussing issues that require thoughtfulness and intelligence with women who have none, such as you and your fearless leader sam! I will sit back quietly and wait for you both to be silenced in November when Obama and Biden are elected President and Vice President of these great United States. In the meantime...talk amongst yourselves.
    You man after Israel killed 6 Palestinians on November 5 and
    failed to lift the blockade, a condition of the truce they ignored the entire time? Your ignorant statement about the Kool-Aid is completely illogical since Obama voiced a fairly unequivocal sympathy for Israel back in June during his visit there. My thoughts are completely my own and are based in reality, one shared by pretty much the rest of the world outside the homeland, and on my own experiences, not 60 years of US and Israel lies and propaganda.
    LOL! You beat me to it!

    I was going to post that on this board so that those who were interested would watch it.


    I'm not only going to watch it, I've got my VCR set to record it, as well.  I believe it will be very interesting and revealing.


    Don't beat yourself up too much GP sm
    I remember your prediction that McCain would win. I had serious doubts at that time because of the way Obama "won" the nomination over Hillary. It just seemed too easy, like it was all orchestrated. Then the election night...same thing. I really think McCain conceded too prematurely, not that he would have won had he not conceded but that it seemed a little early in the evening.

    I believe there has been a long sequence of events dating back who knows how far that have led up to Obama's soon-to-be presidency. I also don't believe that he is the vehicle of change that 52% of this country thinks he is but rather a puppet on a string. I believe and have believed since he won the election that he is a pawn in a larger game, one that the American people have no idea how big or how sinister it really is. Anytime a politician rockets from obscurity into the limelight as fast as Obama did, you can bet your bottom dollar that there is someone or something behind him that caused that. I have long said that there is more going on in DC than meets the eye...or is even imagined in the mind...of the American people. It goes further than "what happens in DC stays in DC."
    There are dead beat

    dads all over, white, black, hispanic, etc.  Honestly, there are a lot of dead beat moms out there too.


    One thing I don't get and maybe I don't get cause I'm white.....but Jesse Jackson made a comment about Obama not doing anything about blacks in prison.  What the heck is Obama supposed to do?  I mean....you do the crime.....you do the time.  So what is it that Obama is supopsed to do here.....or anyone for that matter? 


    As much as that "our God should beat their god(s)"
    Plenty of pastor shame to go around. Why do you suppose McCain has put Rev. Wright on his "off limits" list?
    This was fun, you guys beat me, I got a
    67%, but it was fun, Thanks!
    Probably because we beat the streets
    What did you do for your candidate?
    Labor Department's report of 533,000 job losses in November — the biggest job loss in 34 years
    Getting worse every day.
    Unity!...not! They are also preparing to beat the
    nm
    And the beat goes on...$21M from feds for airport

    ...that already has an airport!


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/25/federal-government-funds-new-million-airport-alaska-town-residents/


    Never think that you've seen the stupidest waste of our money by the government. There's something even dumber coming tomorrow.


    What? The Bible has beat out Ann Coulter for top book sales?

    How could that be?


    Poster is very correct. Obama did NOT beat Clinton
    And NOW, this big fiasco with the global banking system, concidentally just a month before this orchestrated election?

    I've always wondered why everything got so hush hush when it was obvious Hillary Clinton had won the nomination but was suddenly pushed to the side and here's this man who has extremely concerning ties with people you would tell your own relative to stay away from.

    And the millions of dollars he gets from unknown sources OUTSIDE this country.

    I'm just glad McCain hasn't stooped to betraying his country like Obama. Something is very stinky in Denmark!!!
    Oh, I can beat that. A picture of liberal tolerance and love for the troops. SM

    I can't beat comparison but I like the fact she knows, it amazes me you call some of these people
    NM
    Here is a perfect example. sm
    You might want to step back, take a deep breath and ask yourself why one simple question *why did you post this*, would bring on such a tirade from you. It was a question. That was all it was. 
    Perfect....
    The world (in my opinion) would be a better place if people didn't take themselves so seriously.

    Great statement, TT! Says it all.
    I am not saying that he is perfect -
    I never said anything about transparency - I am saying that even when I read the articles you all are quoting it never says that Obama lied about anything.

    Maybe his aides misspoke, maybe Bush's aides misspoke, I don't know - but you all are calling Obama a liar and I just don't see where he lied.

    At the same time, I don't think that telling what he and President Bush talked about is really all that bad a thing - yes, I really would like some transparency in knowing what is going on in my country - they are both elected officials and in fact are answerable to "we the people". I don't think any sensitive information was leaked out concerning our enemies - I think what we read was about our economy, which at this point we are all concerned about and should have as much information as possible.

    Now for the part about admitting that he is wrong, if he is wrong or does something bad, I will be the first to stand up and say it, and I will be the first to admit I was wrong in supporting him, but at this point, I do not see anything he has done wrong.
    This is a perfect example....(sm)

    of why dems are so critical of the right.  You just throw stuff out there that has no basis.  Given that I have looked at all available text that would fall into the category you speak of and have found nothing to back up your claim, the fact that Obama typically meticulously chooses his words before he says them, and your obvious unwillingness or inability to provide some kind of documentation to support your claim, I have to come to the conclusion that what you have said is false.  If this is incorrect, then by all means, please feel free to prove me wrong.


    The dems were just recently accused of character assassination after stating facts.  And then here you come along with this garbage, which is basically the same thing that has been done by the pubs since before the election.  At least you're consistent.


    That is a perfect example of
    how helping people sometimes isn't helping.....it is enabling them to continue mooching.  This is what the current administration fails to understand. 
    Never said he was perfect...
    just said he wasn't a socialist! Where do air traffic controllers come in?
    Yes, that was so right on .... so perfect.
    nm
    How perfect.. thanks.
    nm
    perfect
    " . . .no obligation to think logically, represent facts accurately or to be an honest broker in the public arena of ideas."  Thank you for that perfect description of Fox News. 

    PERFECT!!!
    x
    Here's a perfect example, Suzie:

    American Girl: Yawwnnn.... you're boring me to death....


    Nameless Troll: By all means.... RIP.


    MT: See, THAT'S what I am talkin' about! SM boring and lame! I am telling you, you are lame girl.


    American Girl: Did they just wish me dead? ....RIP is a term usually reserved for the dead, right?


    They degenerate debate to name calling, calling us evil, and then wishing us dead....all the while preaching to us about how evil and intolerant we are....the irony is bewildering but not unexpected.



    MT: Don't forget when they told Nan she was old and would die soon SM and wished for her to burn in hell. That was an especial highlight of the nature of how they "never" say anything hateful.


    (No name, but I admit it was me, completely frustrated and having sunk to their level): I know it's difficult but close your eyes and try to FOCUS for a second or two. Take a deep breath. You can do it. The poster was directly responding in kind to YOUR post in which YOU wrote: you're boring me to death.... Now feel free to twist and mangle that any way that makes you look like poor little AG who is always picked on, but YOU are the one who started this. The person was wishing you a peaceful trip while on the destination YOU indicated you were headed.


    American Girl: Admit it though... you still wished me dead....


    Nameless Troll: Not true. I don't wish anyone dead. I don't harbor that kind of hatred inside me. Sorry to bust your bubble.


    Nan: They'll never admit it. sm It has to be your imagination.


    These were just a FEW in an entire thread of insults (including one from Nan calling the person a slimy bottom dweller.) Not ONE post in this entire thread added anything of intelligence to any debate (including my own).


    Does anyone reading this SERIOUSLY think the poster wished AG dead? When I read it, I see it as a very sarcastic response to a very sarcastic post. I believe it’s shortly after this point in time (when those three were getting exactly what they gave, after repeated threats and "chances" and "strikes" by them to the poster or else they would tell the Monitor) that they all three posted that they wouldn’t be coming back here any more. Those posts are gone now, and as we can see, one of them is already denying ever saying she was leaving. (To those of you who actually did read these posts and know they were there, please continue to rely on the accuracy of your memory because it’s correct.)


    Now, when the day comes that AG recalls someone on this board "wishing her dead," are you going to believe that that is what the person REALLY wished, given the entire context of these posts?


    The Perfect Storm. SM
    America Will Reject the Race Exploiting Demagogues of the New Orleans Tragedy

    by Keith Thompson 

    Saturday 10 September 2005, 6:35 pm


    MSNBC ran a ticker headline Friday identifying dead bodies, debris, human waste and chemicals as prominent contents of the toxic flood waters. It’s no surprise, and curiously fitting, that the national media all week has been awash with the cultural equivalent: noxious, vile proclamations by the America’s foremost moral pretenders, atrocity addicts, all-purpose grifters and incendiary race hustlers: Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Cynthia McKinney, and Maxine Waters — with auditions from aspiring race-mongering demagogues Kanye West and Michael Eric Dyson.


    Each of these self-congratulatory progressive activists has labored to exploit the New Orleans catastrophe as an onslaught against black America. Collectively they possess moral authority equivalent to the two scammers who used an amputated finger in an attempted shakedown of Wendys. Let’s be clear about the lineage these bottom feeders are part of. The opportunistic race-based ghouls who have made New Orleans their haunt are not different from David Duke, in either kind or degree. The activists now working overtime to incite race hatred — doing so in the name of “justice” and “civil rights” — deserve the same accolades and mantles as the klansmen who terrorized blacks, Jews, Catholics, and white civil rights workers in another decade.


    Like the vulgar, hate-driven white racists who read aloud from Bibles in church the morning after lynching, burning and raping, these morally bankrupt representatives of today’s civil rights elite represent the last gasp of a morally unregenerate worldview. And like the Klan of yore, they (and their enablers Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Richard Cohen, and Hillary Clinton) grow more desperate and deranged as the moderate American mainstream rejects their quest to rip open the nation’s past racial wounds for temporary partisan advantage.


    Efforts to turn New Orleans into the cultural equivalent of Rwanda are repugnant to everything about America than makes moral sense. Lincoln spoke of the better angels of human nature, implying the existence of something very much worse. Every schoolboy knows the proper counterpart is demon. The moral scammers now inciting race hatred in the wake of the Louisiana nightmare will fail. And the movement they represent will ultimately fail, because it is more than wrong or simply false, it is cancerously self-canceling. The body politic will cast off this disease and will do so to preserve its well being, vitality, and wholeness.


    But the end of this fight is not near. The mainstream media is highlighting the preposterous claims of America’s hate apostles because the MSM sees an opportunity not simply to negate the past two presidential elections, but to reverse the general trend away from the cultural corrections (anti-welfare state, pro-national defense) that Reagan’s 1980 victory represented. The American left has been licking its chops for years, hoping for the political equivalent of a perfect storm: the ideal convergence of forces that would yield a return to normalcy for expanding the gutter of identity politics and apologizing to the world at large for everything American. The left longs for a return of Carter’s malaise because that will reinforce the left’s longstanding antagonism toward the resurgence of personal responsibility and national pride since 9-11.


    The unconscionable quest to exploit the human misery of New Orleans sickens me more than I can say. I was with my family at a Florida hospice, attending to my mother as she lay dying from cancer, when Katrina came ashore, wreaking human and physical loss only miles away. We were all aware that our personal loss would be shared by many hurricane victims, and that the American people would do what we always do: rally to help the wounded, the sick, and the bereaved. It never occurred to us — not even remotely — on August 25, the day mom passed away, that leaders of this nation’s so-called progressive community would even consider using a natural tragedy as an occasion to further their now familiar By Any Means Necessary campaign against this country and its traditions.


    Then again, neither did I expect that there would be 250 demonstrations on American campuses against the United States responding militarily to the September 11 attacks, as David Horowitz has so aptly described. Naïvete dies hard, but there’s a positive side. It’s extremely hard to resuscitate.


    Your post is a perfect example.
    I believe this is what Delighted was referring to.  You are not discussing anything, merely demeaning all liberals.  It grows tiresome.  There is little to no debate generally, and postings are merely a platform to demean liberals on this, the liberal board.
    Perfect example of why Dems will win and be in the
    Republicans thrive on scare tactics - or at least they THINK they're scare tactics. 
    The Perfect Stranger
    The Perfect Stranger


    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, August 29, 2008;

    Barack Obama is an immensely talented man whose talents have been largely devoted to crafting, and chronicling, his own life. Not things. Not ideas. Not institutions. But himself.

    Nothing wrong or even terribly odd about that, except that he is laying claim to the job of crafting the coming history of the United States. A leap of such audacity is odd. The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments -- bearing even fewer witnesses.

    When John Kerry was introduced at his convention four years ago, an honor guard of a dozen mates from his Vietnam days surrounded him on the podium attesting to his character and readiness to lead. Such personal testimonials are the norm. The roster of fellow soldiers or fellow senators who could from personal experience vouch for John McCain is rather long. At a less partisan date in the calendar, that roster might even include Democrats Russ Feingold and Edward Kennedy, with whom John McCain has worked to fashion important legislation.
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    Eerily missing at the Democratic convention this year were people of stature who were seriously involved at some point in Obama's life standing up to say: I know Barack Obama. I've been with Barack Obama. We've toiled/endured together. You can trust him. I do.

    Hillary Clinton could have said something like that. She and Obama had, after all, engaged in a historic, utterly compelling contest for the nomination. During her convention speech, you kept waiting for her to offer just one line of testimony: I have come to know this man, to admire this man, to see his character, his courage, his wisdom, his judgment. Whatever. Anything.

    Instead, nothing. She of course endorsed him. But the endorsement was entirely programmatic: We're all Democrats. He's a Democrat. He believes what you believe. So we must elect him -- I am currently unavailable -- to get Democratic things done. God bless America.

    Clinton's withholding the "I've come to know this man" was vindictive and supremely self-serving -- but jarring, too, because you realize that if she didn't do it, no one else would. Not because of any inherent deficiency in Obama's character. But simply as a reflection of a young life with a biography remarkably thin by the standard of presidential candidates.

    Who was there to speak about the real Barack Obama? His wife. She could tell you about Barack the father, the husband, the family man in a winning and perfectly sincere way. But that takes you only so far. It doesn't take you to the public man, the national leader.

    Who is to testify to that? Hillary's husband on night three did aver that Obama is "ready to lead." However, he offered not a shred of evidence, let alone personal experience with Obama. And although he pulled it off charmingly, everyone knew that, having been suggesting precisely the opposite for months, he meant not a word of it.

    Obama's vice presidential selection, Joe Biden, naturally advertised his patron's virtues, such as the fact that he had "reached across party lines to . . . keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists." But securing loose nukes is as bipartisan as motherhood and as uncontroversial as apple pie. The measure was so minimal that it passed by voice vote and received near zero media coverage.

    Thought experiment. Assume John McCain had retired from politics. Would he have testified to Obama's political courage in reaching across the aisle to work with him on ethics reform, a collaboration Obama boasted about in the Saddleback debate? "In fact," reports the Annenberg Political Fact Check, "the two worked together for barely a week, after which McCain accused Obama of 'partisan posturing' " -- and launched a volcanic missive charging him with double-cross.

    So where are the colleagues? The buddies? The political or spiritual soul mates? His most important spiritual adviser and mentor was Jeremiah Wright. But he's out. Then there's William Ayers, with whom he served on a board. He's out. Where are the others?

    The oddity of this convention is that its central figure is the ultimate self-made man, a dazzling mysterious Gatsby. The palpable apprehension is that the anointed is a stranger -- a deeply engaging, elegant, brilliant stranger with whom the Democrats had a torrid affair. Having slowly woken up, they see the ring and wonder who exactly they married last night.
    Yes - and then it would be a perfect world
    Yeeee-haaaaaa
    These are perfect!! Thanks for the shot . .
    of reality . . . well, reality to most of us, anyway. 
    Now there's a perfect example of true

    I think it is a perfect analogy.
    I'm sorry you feel like you wasted your time reading my post but grades are earned just like incomes are earned.  To take away from one to give to another is just absurd, discouraging, and not fair at all to the people who worked hard to achieve their incomes or grades.  It encourages people to not work as hard because they are penalized for making more and it will encourage more people not to work because they will get a check from the government supporting them anyway...so why bother.
    Sure, because NOTHING in this world is perfect...nm
    nm
    Right, we understand, you are perfect,
    doubt anything you print here, and most certainly, if anyone disagrees with any of your opinions we are spiteful and impulsive hens, pathetic and hilarious. And those are just a few mild descriptive terms from this one post you have. I am so sorry you had to stoop to the level we did and become a mere MT at some point in your life. Maybe some day you will find something of substance and reality in your life and realize what it is all about, however, I will not hold my breath!

    Now, as my 2-year-old granddaughter says when she finishes her meal, I'm done.
    P.S. Who decided he was the perfect one

    to run for president anyhow? There were candidate s much more qualified than O that could have run away with the votes if they were "chosen" by the party...but they chose someone who was only a senator for what, less than 2 years? Why? I would love to know how the party choses their candidates to run for president. Something doesn't smell right here.


     


    Thanks for posting this. Perfect!
    )))
    Such a perfect post... Thank you.
    nm
    Okay, maybe this would be the perfect time
    for that explanation of irony?  Nah, never mind. 
    Perfect solution........... sm
    Send the illegals back to their home countries with a politician under each arm!

    I agree that amnesty is a bad idea. With the millions upon millios we now spend for healthcare, housing, and other benefits for illegals, the rising tide of illegals that will likely come with this amnesty will only dig us all further into debt. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting a little tired of paying taxes to cover illegals' medical bills and pay for their food when I can't afford insurance for myself and have to scrimp on the food bill because there just is not enough money to go around after I pay taxes.
    Jon always has the perfect perspective . . .

    Hey Fox!! Paranoia will destroy 'ya!!  TEE HEE!! 


    fighting for a perfect
    Move to Pakistan and fight the Taliban.
    Oh, that makes perfect sense.

    They're simply not the *right* EC (evangelically correct) Christians.


    Did you by chance see the Barbara Walters special last night on heaven?  I watched part of it, but I also taped it. 


    The two religions that stuck out like a sore thumb were the *born again* Christians and the *jihad Muslims*.  They were the two groups who felt that everyone who didn't believe exactly as they do are doomed to go to hell.


    So the fact that Catholics are targeted makes perfect sense to me and is in line with the Bush & Co. MO.


    But while you are awaiting the perfect bill
    This bill plans to use taxes from cigarettes to pay for it, and if it uses tax dollars in other areas that is fine with me too.  On some issues you have to compromise, and when it comes to children's health and saving lives, this is one of those times.  Children need coverage.  You say you want them covered too - well, this bill is a great step in that direction.  Why wait 5 more years for a bill that EVERYONE agrees on?  Who knows how many kids will die due to lack of healthcare in that time.  Can you live with their little lives on your conscience?  I can't.
    All is in divine and perfect order
    Another stabilizing force is Barack Obama. He will be poised and positioned perfectly to bring the entire planet together, there-by creating yet another grid of unity that will serve to stabilize things as much as possible during the fall. We will connect and support each other through his divine and highly evolved leadership. All, as always, is in divine and perfect order.