You nut jobs can have this place
Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-12-02
In Reply to: Obama’s Friends Working to Amend the Natural Born Citizen Requirement... - sm
Keep on ranting about the stupid b/c like as if you are smarter than Hillary and McCain. If there'd been even a SNIFF of wrongdoing in the b/c, they would have drug it out and already drug it through the mud. Personally I don't think a lot of the nut jobs who hang out here are even MTs. I think they are professional political pot stirers!!!
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temporary jobs lead to permanent jobs -
projects are always just temporary; however, they lead to more permanent positions. Also, by the time some of these "temporary" jobs are over, the crisis should be settling down too. Do you think that rebuilding our infrastructure is going to happen in a day, week, or month?
What should we do? Tell these people who will be temporarily paid not to work for the next couple of years on these jobs because they are only temporary? That is a good idea - nobody do the temporary jobs, that way the projects will never get done and the deficit will not go up, and the economy will just continue to decline...
That's a great way to handle it!
jobs
my husband has been a carpenter and self-employed since he was fresh out of school. after 20 years he had no job, no work anywhere. he had to go take a job at a store making less than half of what he used to make. now they are saying they may be laying him off and he hasnt been there long enough to collect unemployment. I cant imagine things getting worse, but I fear they are going to.
Not me, I have 3 jobs, thank you. Why?
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JOBS
Maybe Obama is thinking these jobs will last until he is out of office, and then when the jobs are finished, and people are out of work, he can say, see what happened when I was no longer in office.
Well of course Obama wants to keep jobs in the USA. Here is why.
Do you want $8,500 of your dollars to fund the Useless Nations? I know I don't.
Barack Hussein Obama has a legislative record in the Senate and one of his proudest accomplishments is The Global Poverty Act (S. 2433).
Barack Hussein Obama's Global Poverty Act will commit us to a stealth United Nations-inspired global tax of $845 Billion dollars... that comes to approximately an $8500.00 tax burden for every household in the United States!
Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media wrote:
"[T]he legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which... would amount to $845 billion 'over and above what the U.S. already spends.'"
"The plan passed the House in 2007 'because most members didn't realize what was in it.' Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require."
The United Nation's actual record on ending pain and suffering around the world is pathetic and dismal.
Here is the link, check it out for yourselves before you flame me. I am sure I am not the only one who is worried about what will happen when/if he gets into office.
ExposeObama.com
It is not that Americans won't do the jobs...
it is really that they will not do them for the wages given. Unfortunately, we expect a cheap food source, which we get. If farmers have to pay Americans to labor away in fields, they will have to pay more than they do and our food costs will go up. I am actually okay with that. Perhaps retail markup will have to go down some, as well. Coming from California, I know what kind of living conditions migrant famers live in (huge amounts of people in subpar housing, etc.) and understand that Americans WILL do the work, but only for a fair amount of pay.
I've had jobs since the day I was old enough to
even though there were times I could barely scrape together 2 cents to buy something I or my family needed. Yes, jobs are pretty easy to get, if you don't think you're "above" working at a gas station, McDonald's - whatever it takes. There are plenty of people who use social programs in lieu of finding a job. I see it all the time. They milk the system, if you don't admit that, you're in denial. I don't believe for one minute that the hard-working people in the country that make decent money should have to pay for these people. I have no problem with programs for those who truly need it, but if you were truly to examine most of the recipients of these programs, a good lot of them are abusing it. I worked in a law office where I saw this and I worked in medical offices where I saw this. The sad reality is that those who milk the system are darn good at it and REAP the benefits, but the people who truly need welfare, disability, etc., fight for sometimes YEARS and never receive benefits.
I think it's highly tacky of you to insinuate that the only way Whoopie could've attained her success is by using social programs. That is a borderline racist remark, IMO. Would you say that about a successful white actress? Hmmmph.
Just WHO do you think does provide jobs?
the middle class?
how to figure out which jobs are on their way out
Anything that requires a loan: houses, cars, trade schools, university of Phoenix type schools, shopping malls, vacations and travel, elective surgeries or cosmetic dental lasik surgeries, etc.
Jobs that will increase:
Anything that helps America:
Teachers, nurses, geologists, scientists, infrastructure, power grids, alternative energy, solar.
how it affects our jobs
It will affect us if the automakers fail because it is estimated that upwards of 6 million, and some estimates are as high as 10-12 million, people could potentially face unemployment. That is those working for the big 3 as well as those who supply them and those who work for business that all of these people utilize. 6 million is a lot of people now without health benefits and paychecks. Obviously, that will have an impact of numbers of doctor and hospital visits.
Green jobs.......... sm
would take quite a bit of time to implement as it would take time to build the utility facilities, not to mention retrofitting households to use green energy. I don't think this is a viable short-term plan to help our country, although I do see a benefit from it long-term. However, in creating green jobs and bankrupting the coal industry like he said he would that creates yet another situation where people will be jobless and not paying taxes. With a good portion of our electric energy coming from the coal industry, this number could be significant enough to offset any benefit obtained with green energy and green jobs.
We are in a financial crisis and I don't see that there is anyway out of it (unless they yank that Golden Fleece) without immediate tax increases on all tax-paying Americans.
Like I said, a plan is just a plan and even with a Democratic Senate, I don't foresee his tax plans coming to fruition in the near future.
They are bragging about 3M jobs
being created. Guess what DH reminded me of? There are millions more unemployed than the 3M (he said 10M, but I'm not sure on that), plus most of these jobs will not happen until 2011. How's that going to help?
I'm serious. That will leave 7M still on the unemployment rolls. We are really in for a long haul here. Thank heavens I don't live in a city. At least we can grow our own food.
You know if they want to create jobs
why aren't we drilling for oil? Why aren't we getting wind farms going? If our government would take more money to look into alternative fuels, not only would that stop our dependency on foreign oil but we will need workers to maintain those things, etc. Those will be jobs that will last. It won't be like construction work like Obama wants. Once the roads are repaired and bridges fixed, etc....then what? I just think we are going in the wrong direction and I just don't understand why. We need to tap our resources with offshore drilling. We need to drill Alaska. While we are doing that, we need to look for alternatives to oil. The sooner they do that, the sooner car companies can make environmentally safer cars and vehicles. I mean....come on.
I read somewhere that most of the jobs
won't get up and running until 2010 or 2011. It takes time. Everything takes time, and so, in the meantime, we have to go it on our own. It's sink or swim right now.
Particularly the construction jobs.
Those often take at least two years of planning, getting bids, getting materials and getting started. Not very helpful right now. I think everyone on the Hill has totally lost any connection with the real world.
From my understanding, the jobs
created would only be temporary. Don't forget, road and bridge construction only lasts in the summer in the northern states, and when those road and bridge jobs are done, what's next?
The money being doled out for infrastructure is definitely not enough. There are many, many roads and bridges that have to be built/rebuilt in the country and any one of them would cost $1 million and up. PA is getting $2.7M for roads. Is that going to take care of the roads? Doubt it. Headlines recenty in our paper stated PA was going to get $6B. I checked the charts and don't see where he gets that figure.
Jobs going overseas
I forgot to mention - as MSMT said in her post titled "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's wrong with the economy" - it stated on yahoo was an article about the layoffs at Dell in Austin.
"Everyone in the room was fired, their jobs shipped overseas".
That's one instance.
I'm taking an online course and 6 students wrote in stating they need to get retrained because they just lost their jobs within the last month. Their job went overseas.
But think of the ''green'' jobs
created by the new technology. Someone will have to develop a ''fartometer'' to measure the bovine emissions. Each cow will be fitted with one by a trained technician. Somebody will have to monitor the readings. Somebody else will have to compile the data. And there will need to be a billing department to calculate the ''gas tax'' due. Surely there will be a place in this new bureaucracy for displaced MTs? (Unless the readings are remotely transmitted to Pakistan...)
Every group has their nut jobs.
You cannot group all conservatives into that category especially since there are just as many nut jobs on the liberal side. Get over yourself and give me a break!
The right not only defends their nut jobs sm
they have people out there like Lamepuke and Billo the Clown pandering to these crazy loons. Some people would sell out their own mother for ratings and to put more millions of dollars into their own pockets. It's pretty pathetic that these two despicable TV/radio man sluts have to resort to attracting the lunatics of the world to boost their ratings.
There's a place for everything!!!
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she did go to the right place
they had her husband listed but not her. she went on the county website and found her active status after she got home but now it's too late because of the provisional ballot being accepted.
You ought to see the place now.
The people who bought it left the barn fall apart. They tore down the summer kitchen (2 rooms, 1 up, 1 down) and "canning house" (24 x 40), and never took care of the orchard. It looks like a dump...and it breaks my heart. Everything was in good shape when we tried to buy it.
Probably the same place she gets
It seems to be of comparable quality.
Bank of America to cut 35,000 jobs.......sm
over the next 3 years. Weren't they the ones who put money in your savings account every time you made a purchase?
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4BA6ZD20081211?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
actually he says he will tax credit them for keeping jobs here... nm
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Of course, an economy that CREATES jobs, instead
just take care of a lot of that welfare abuse. There should be more OPPORTUNITIES, and fewer loopholes.
Employers Shedding Jobs
WASHINGTON — Skittish employers slashed 533,000 jobs in November, the most in 34 years, catapulting the unemployment rate to 6.7 percent, dramatic proof the country is careening deeper into recession.
The new figures, released by the Labor Department Friday, showed the crucial employment market deteriorating at an alarmingly rapid clip, and handed Americans some more grim news right before the holidays.
As companies throttled back hiring, the unemployment rate bolted from 6.5 percent in October to 6.7 percent last month, a 15-year high.
"These numbers are shocking," said economist Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economics Advisors. "Companies are sharply reacting to the economy's problems and slashing costs. They are not trying to ride it out."
The unemployment rate would have moved even higher if not for the exodus of 422,000 people from the work force. Economists thought many of those people probably abandoned their job searches out of sheer frustration. In November 2007, the jobless rate was at 4.7 percent.
The U.S. tipped into recession last December, a panel of experts declared earlier this week, confirming what many Americans already thought.
Since the start of the recession, the economy has lost 1.9 million jobs, the number of unemployed people increased by 2.7 million and the jobless rate rose by 1.7 percentage points.
President-elect Barack Obama said the dismal job news underscored the need for forceful action, even as he warned that the pain could not be quickly relieved.
Thank you President Bush. You have been such a disaster. You are going to go down as the worst president in our history.
Yep and we've even let nut jobs like Tom Paulin
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Offshore outsourcing and MT jobs
Senator Obama is going to stop giving tax breaks to companies who offshore. That includes Medical Transcription Companies who outsource their work to offshore companies. There will be an abundance of work for MTs here in the US, just like there used to be before our work started being sent overseas.
Medical Transcription used to be one of the top 10 careers but not anymore since it is outsourced overseas. That is why our pay is decreasing and it is harder to find a job. Senator McCain has been a senator for the last 30 years, yet our worked has continued to be sent overseas. What change has he brought about?
If you want to get the profession of Medical Transcription back to the way it used to be where we had excellent pay and an abundance of work, vote for the man who wants to stop outsourcing our work overseas. That man is Senator Obama. Do your research before you cast your vote which might in turn hurt your very own profession, Medical Transcription!
I am casting my vote for Senator Obama and looking forward to once again being proud to be an American and having the work back in America where it belongs.
The problem with his green jobs
The problem with these jobs is that they would be completely paid for by the government. The reason these jobs do not exist at the moment is that they are unprofitable. If there was a profit to be made some company would have jumped on it already. So what he would be doing would be to create a huge government-run and taxpayer-financed company that would take years to ever even possibly turn a profit and there is no guarantee it would. EVER.
I'm getting a little off track here, but consider this. Right now the government subsidizes mandatory recycling programs in many areas. So they run extra trucks, using extra fuel and creating extra pollution and, unfortunately what most people do not realize is that the items collected are dumped somewhere. The vast majority are NOT recycled, because it is not cost-efficient. The dirty little secret is that most of this ends up in a landfill.
So the government's intentions are good, but they choose to turn a blind eye to the truth.
You have 3 jobs because the former admin. rewards
driving MT wages down. If US MT's were the company's first choice of employees, and not their last, maybe you & the rest of us would have one, regular 40-hour a week job with health insurance and paid vacations once again. Don't you miss having a day off once in a while? Being able to afford fresh bread instead of day-old? And believing that your work actually made a difference? 'Cause it sure doesn't now. That's why you're working 3 jobs. Because you have to. Not because MT is such an enjoyable and rewarding profession that you just cant get enough of it.
It provides GOVT jobs! -Who pays for that?
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The money is certainly not going to create jobs
This will not create jobs for anyone.
Since there are no jobs.......policies will at least temporarily.
have to change. Quite frankly, I'd rather feed a family than endure/survive a home invasion. We haven't even SEEN the outcome of this economic crisis. When people are hungry, they steal. When people have nowhere to live, they steal. They steal in order to survive. In order to avoid massive civil unrest - these people need a safety net. My husband is laid off and he is a professional. I pray we don't have to resort to eating out of dumpsters in order to survive. And don't think for a minute you are immune.
That's right, JBB...right wing nut jobs blindly
Let them keep blindly following faux news. They think they are patriots? The rest of the country (and the world) think they are JOKES!
Web site best place.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Mouse over the issues and a drop down list will provide you with lots of links that should keep you busy. You can also check out some of his better speeches if you like. If you are interested in being conversational and social and an Obama party, this is the place for you.
As you have already discovered, this chat room is the last place to look. The web site simply lays out the platform and policies in Obama's own words, without bias one way or the other..simple straight talk.
If, however, you are interested in getting kicked out of the party and labeled a right-wing fringe element, then go to the other links on black liberation theology. You are free, of course, to read about it and come to your own conclusions. But if you do explore that issue, please read the website throughly before deciding whether or not you think he subscribes to that theology. I can tell you categorically, none of his supporters believe the propaganda suggested to you in the other posts in this regard. It would be interesting to ask others at the party what they think about the assertions that Obama embodies those beliefs.
How refreshing to find a voter as open minded as this. Good luck with our research. Feel free to email me with any questions you may have.
I don't know....but I don't think it is our place to judge....
I knew girls in high school who did not want to ask their parents about birth control, intended to stay celibate, had the same boyfriend through school let hormones override their better judgment and got pregnant. Not their parents' fault. And as you said, the boy could have used a condom, and we don't know that he didn't, because we know the success rate for condoms is not that great. That we are even having this discussion to me is ludicrous...if Chelsea had become pregnant while Bill was in the White House I don't think Democrats would be attacking Bill and Hillary's parenting skills. I certainly would not have.
System in place........
No more taxes? Would be nice, but have to have some system in place to run schools, hospitals, keep infrastructure up to date, etc.
That is what your state is supposed to be responsible for.....not our government.
that's okay - I just said we needed something in place nm
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And, according to the Q'ran there is a place
in h*ll for all who are not Muslim, including you, if you are not Muslim.
Wanna dispute that?
there is already some provisions in place -
I already had my preexisting conditions covered because I had had continuous coverage for 18 months before with another company - so it can be done already in some cases. Why would it be impossible to make it a law in every case?
That would be the US Senate....same place as McC
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I only everybody would think like you, the world would be a better place,...thanks,.....nm
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BB, you don't think religion has a place anywhere! LOL sm
You do know I'm just kidding, right?
Warren did take a biblical stand against gay marriage and homosexuality, which does surprise me, considering what "The MESSage" says, but as much as I disagree with him on a lot of things (not necessarily environmental) I have to agree with his stance regarding what you refer to as alternative lifestyles. According to the Bible, homosexuality ranks right in there with all the other things you mentioned. I won't go any further into that because this is not the forum for it. However, I do think that Warren's watered down style probably fits in more with Obama's idea of religion that, oh, say, Billy Graham might. I just wonder if Rev. Wright got his feelings hurt because he wasn't chosen. He was, after all, Obama's religious mentor.
Thanks. If I want entertainment, that would be the place, but
I would find two-way conversations between opposing points of view aimed at defining differences, finding common ground, and respectful exchange of reliable and verifiable information which is SOLUTIONS oriented much more challenging. Any ideas?
Why the name calling? Isn't this a place where...
...people can feel free to express their opinions? Your post was just plain rude. 
Most abortions don't take place......... sm
at 1 day after conception. So that line of thinking is just ridiculous.
Now, let's suppose you kill a 3-year-old or 10-year-old or 15-year-old child. Would you be guilty of murder in that instance? I thought so.
He said lobbiests would have no place
in his administration, and it is filled with lobbiests.
He said Americans would have 5 days to view the porkulus stimulus $700B package and we had none, but it took him 4 days to sign it when it passed while his lazy behind went on a mini vacation.
He said his administration would be the most transparent of all, but it isn't. He even signed the budget bill with its 9000 pork items behind closed doors, very unlike his public display of "transparency" in using all those other pens he writes with to destroy the Constitution. You can, however, go out online and read each pork item line by line, and see how we are transparently wasting money.
He campaigned on hope and change, yet his administration is nothing but Clinton re-treads, crooks, and tax evaders.
However, you have to give it to him. He is fulfilling a lot of his campaign promises. He's paying back the homosexuals, the baby killers, the communists, and George Soros and whoever else he is beholden to who want to ensure the demise of the U.S.
For your own survival, remember this term: Cloward-Piven Strategy. Go here to read more about Obama and manufactured crisis. http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html
This is not conspiracy. The facts presented are documented, and you should be very, very afraid.
Of course, conservatives (not to be interpreted as Republican conservatives) researched and knew all about Obama and his agenda before he won the election. We did our homework. The above article will give you a very close glimpse into the mind of an evil man and his evil compatriots, his associations that the MSM and far left liberals said was not important. Who you pal around with is significant. Didn't your mom tell you that birds of a feather flock together?
They're all over the place in FL. nm
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