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sorry, but I disagree, because current

Posted By: () on 2009-06-15
In Reply to: I was just thinking they should rename this board "Current Events" instead of - Politics.

events are not always 'political.' This is the Politics Board.
Other events, not political, belong on the Gab Board.


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And I still disagree. We shall agree to disagree. But....
welome to the board! A new voice is welcome, whichever side the voice decides to fall. :)
he holds current
state of affairs in contempt, loves the country deeply enough to investigate issues and present his viewpoints.  Patriot.
Old News...Don't you have anything more current? nm
:p
Yep, that's right. I also blame THE CURRENT
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We can't address the current....(sm)

economic nightmare without also addressing those who are already suffering from it.  If that is not addressed while we are setting up new jobs, then we go straight into a depression.  It's a whole lot harder and longer to get out of a full-blown depression that what we have now....and right now we're on the edge.


NASA = The 50 million Obama allotted for NASA is for them to repair facilities in Houston from hurricaine Ike (which should have already been done, btw) and non-space activities.  Again, job creation.  NASA wants more, but I doubt they'll get it.


Our current president.........
wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. As a matter of fact, the apartment he lived in in DC until AFTER he was elected president was such a dump - his own staff lived in better neighborhoods and quarters. Michelle would NOT stay there. It wasn't until after it partially burned that the secret service adviced him STRONGLY to find a safer alternative. He's so frugal he's a cheapskate! Too bad he had to get sold out by Washington and party usual.
One of the current problems with that is...(sm)

this.  If homeowners were to get lump sums and they just payed off their mortgages it would go to the banks, like you said.  However, the banks are currently not extending credit.  Even after they passed the first bailout and payed out to banks, the banks that received the money actually tightened up on credit, which was the exact opposite of what they should have done.  So, if we were all to just pay off our mortgages, the bank would get the money and just sit on it just like they did with the bailout money, and that doesn't stimulate the economy. 


The main problem we have is that we've turned into a nation that relys on credit.  The banks don't want you to pay off your principal -- they want you to keep paying interest because that's where the money is for them.  Now that the credit has been frozen, people who live on credit don't have anything to spend -- thus creating the spending deficit.


He was sworn into his current position
using a Koran, not the Bible. He refuses to honor our flag because it is against his religion. He will ruin this country from the inside out if elected. The phrase "One nation under God" will be removed from our Pledge of Allegiance. Think about that!
I am not unhappy with current events...
I think it is a great step forward in this country that a black man is running for President. It is historical, and a wonderful, wonderful thing. But because he is black does not mean he is qualified. If he was white and saying the same things I would feel the same way. He seems like a nice guy, has a beautiful family, and has a vision for the country. I don't share that vision. Does not make me a bad person, does not make him a bad person. Just means we disagree. That is what America is all about. It is this rabid hatred of all things not Obama or all things conservative and trying to squelch any kind of opposition that is UNAmerican. It fact, it is the antithesis of the American way, and the fact that he stirs that up in people is concerning. I don't know if it is by accident or by design. No way I could know.
The last thing I watched that was current was....sm
Hustle, back in 2007. Never was into the reality shows, or any current sitcoms.


Maybe a movie on dish once or twice a year....I'm not kidding....


I work too much....big sigh.....(and no, I'm not sam...heehee)
Current Rasmussen Reports
Poll shows Obama leading 260 electoral votes to McCain 167 votes. If you take the "likely states" the votes change to Obama 300, McCain 174.

Rasmussen has lots of interesting polls on its site, for what they are worth, but it is interesting to watch them change week-to-week and some of them even day-to-day.

www.rasmussenreports.com
Current-day blacks are not slaves and never were.
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Just like you back the current president?
I will give him respect when and if he earns it.
No he is not perfection, no human is. In the current...sm
climate, no, he probably will not be able to accomplish everything, but his is going to try to do his best, and I think that the people who elected him realize that.
Yes, he has...been very disrespectful to the office of the current
on a daily basis.
Sounds just like our current administration....

And the destruction they have wreaked on our country.......keep the mindset. The republican party will have a wretched time climbing out of the sewer from whence they came.


So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country (the decider), steamrolled the constitution (the decider), and will have changed its landscape forever (the decider). If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about... Yes, GW, you will be just FINE.


It's not just our current administration and that's the problem.
There have been way too many leaders in the White House and in Congress that have been stirring up this pot of crap we're in right now for a long time. Now, I'm no fan of President Bush, but he only played a part in this whole production - there are a lot of other guilty players out there.

Yes, the republicans will have a hard time 'climbing out of the sewer', but it will happen because this country wasn't founded on just one mindset of ideas and one group having total control. It's about opposition and balance of power and that goes all the way back to the revolution. Did you know that some people in our early government were ready to make peace with George III and go back to England instead of continue the war? And after the war was won, some of them then wanted to crown George Washington King of America? See how well opposition worked even back then?

Everyone has a right to their opinions, but not all opinions are right for everyone. Even when things falter for one group for a while, they eventually come back - the democrats did after Jimmy Carter.
What! The current stimulus plan
I heard about Hollywood wanting money and I did not believe it, but furniture? You gotta be kidding me! Can I have a new couch too and a new desk for my computer?

The GOP want to get rid of:

Meanwhile, House Republican leaders put out a list of more than 30 "wasteful" provisions in the Senate version of the stimulus, including:

• A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion pictures

• $650 million for the digital television (DTV) converter box coupon program

• $248 million for furniture at the new Department of Homeland Security headquarters

• $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees

• $1 billion for the 2010 Census
Feel sorry for the current administration
I feel the president is like the boy sticking his finger in the dyke to stop a flood, except there are too many holes and not enough fingers.  While I was glad to see Paul Volcker admit that things are worse than they expected, I really wonder if this econimic slide can be stopped not only here but worldwide.  You have to stop and ask yourself, if we were to see another depression like or worse than the Great Depression, what would you do?
UAW is definitely to blame for GMs current situation.

Where Would General Motors Be Without the United Automobile Workers Union?


Mises Daily by | Posted on 4/19/2006 12:00:00 AM



"This is a question that no one seems to be asking. And so I've asked it. And here, in essence, is what I think is the answer. (The answer, of course, applies to Ford and Chrysler, as well as to General Motors. I've singled out General Motors because it's still the largest of the three and its problems are the most pronounced.)


First, the company would be without so-called Monday-morning automobiles. That is, automobiles poorly made for no other reason than because they happened to be made on a day when too few workers showed up, or too few showed up sober, to do the jobs they were paid to do. Without the UAW, General Motors would simply have fired such workers and replaced them with ones who would do the jobs they were paid to do. And so, without the UAW, GM would have produced more reliable, higher quality cars, had a better reputation for quality, and correspondingly greater sales volume to go with it. Why didn't they do this? Because with the UAW, such action by GM would merely have provoked work stoppages and strikes, with no prospect that the UAW would be displaced or that anything would be better after the strikes. Federal Law, specifically, The National Labor Relations Act of 1935, long ago made it illegal for companies simply to get rid of unions.


Second, without the UAW, GM would have been free to produce in the most-efficient, lowest cost way and to introduce improvements in efficiency as rapidly as possible. Sometimes this would have meant simply having one or two workers on the spot do a variety of simple jobs that needed doing, without having to call in half a dozen different workers each belonging to a different union job classification and having to pay that much more to get the job done. At other times, it would have meant just going ahead and introducing an advance, such as the use of robots, without protracted negotiations with the UAW resulting in the need to create phony jobs for workers to do (and to be paid for doing) that were simply not necessary.


(Unbelievably, at its assembly plant in Oklahoma City, GM is actually obliged by its UAW contract to pay 2,300 workers full salary and benefits for doing absolutely nothing. As The New York Times describes it, "Each day, workers report for duty at the plant and pass their time reading, watching television, playing dominoes or chatting. Since G.M. shut down production there last month, these workers have entered the Jobs Bank, industry's best form of job insurance. It pays idled workers a full salary and benefits even when there is no work for them to do.")


Third, without the UAW, GM would have an average unit cost per automobile close to that of non-union Toyota. Toyota makes a profit of about $2,000 per vehicle, while GM suffers a loss of about $1,200 per vehicle, a difference of $3,200 per unit. And the far greater part of that difference is the result of nothing but GM's being forced to deal with the UAW. (Over a year ago, The Cincinnati Enquirer reported that "the United Auto Workers contract costs GM $2,500 for each car sold.")


Fourth, without the UAW, the cost of employing a GM factory worker, including wages and fringes, would not be in excess of $72 per hour, which is where it is today, according to The Post-Crescent newspaper of Appleton, Wisconsin.


Fifth, as a result of UAW coercion and extortion, GM has lost billions upon billions of dollars. For 2005 alone, it reported a loss in excess of $10 billion. Its bonds are now rated as "junk," that is, below, investment grade. Without the UAW, GM would not have lost these billions.


Sixth, without the UAW, GM would not now be in process of attempting to pay a ransom to its UAW workers of up to $140,000 per man, just to get them to quit and take their hands out of its pockets. (It believes that $140,000 is less than what they will steal if they remain.)


Seventh, without the UAW, GM would not now have healthcare obligations that account for more than $1,600 of the cost of every vehicle it produces.


Eighth, without the UAW, GM would not now have pension obligations which, if entered on its balance sheet in accordance with the rule now being proposed by the Financial Accounting Standards Board, will leave it with a net worth of minus $16 billion.


What the UAW has done, on the foundation of coercive, interventionist labor legislation, is bring a once-great company to its knees. It has done this by a process of forcing one obligation after another upon the company, while at the same time, through its work rules, featherbedding practices, hostility to labor-saving advances, and outlandish pay scales, doing practically everything in its power to make it impossible for the company to meet those obligations.


Ninth, without the UAW tens of thousands of workers — its own members — would not now be faced with the loss of pension and healthcare benefits that it is impossible for GM or any of the other auto companies to provide, and never was possible for them to provide. The UAW, the whole labor-union movement, and the left-"liberal" intellectual establishment, which is their father and mother, are responsible for foisting on the public and on the average working man and woman a fantasy land of imaginary Demons (big business and the rich) and of saintly Good Fairies (politicians, government officials, and union leaders). In this fantasy-land, the Good Fairies supposedly have the power to wring unlimited free benefits from the Demons.


Tenth, Without the UAW and its fantasy-land mentality, autoworkers would have been motivated to save out of wages actually paid to them, and to provide for their future by means of by and large reasonable investments of those savings — investments with some measure of diversification. Instead, like small children, lured by the prospect of free candy from a stranger, they have been led to a very bad end. They thought they would receive endless free golden eggs from a goose they were doing everything possible to maim and finally kill, and now they're about to learn that the eggs just aren't there.


 


Here is the link for the rest of the article:  http://mises.org/story/2124


Anything to distract us from this current disaster
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I like it here. Besides, mostly all they discuss there is current events. Imagine that. nm

my favorite place to stay current

on the issues in politics is Media Matters America.  As the name explains, they monitor all forms of media and report on the distortions and misinformation. They give factual rebuttals. They make it a lot easier to sort fact from fiction.


 


His memory is no more 'selective' than the current Pres..
and his cronies...
Link to current law regarding foreign birth...sm
to American citizens.  http://www.aca.ch/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=80
No need to wonder...current mortgage bank crisis...
brought to you courtesy of greedy democrats on Congress and greedy Democrats at the top of Fannie Mae. The handwriting is on the wall. This one's on you. McCain saw it coming in 2005 and the dems shut him down. Well, we are reaping what they sowed. To quote Toby Keith...how do you like them now?
Mccain current campaign manager

 Seems Rick Davis was paid $30,000 a month - for five years - as president of "an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations," according to the International Herald Tribune.


 


 


Just remember, the current administration is to blame.
If that many people in your family are being laid off, you have no one to blame but the current administration. They are the ones who are interested in making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Obama has been criticized ad nauseum on this board for wanting to "spread the wealth." Now, you are accusing him of wanting to make the rich richer. You can't have it both ways!
Bush vs Obama on the current crisis
I think I cannot post the link (?) but go to Youtube and search "timeline shows Bush, McCain warn.... for a news piece aired in Canada (and certainly not in the US on the MSM).  Back in 2002 Bush and McCain both warned that Fannie and Freddie needed overhauling ,after the Clinton/dem policy that anyone who wants a mortgage should get one had us on a collision course with financial ruin. But did anyone listen?  Noooooooo!  Bawney Fwank said:  We're all just fine here.  No problem.  Nothing to look at, people.  Move along.  Chuck Schumer said:  Fannie and Freddie have been doing an outstanding job and there is no problem.  So, once again history has vindicated a republican, but we in the US are being protected from such dangerous information.  How about a REVERSE fairness doctrine?
Your description reminds me of our current lousy
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The current Democratic Congress has also floated the notion of.....sm
outlawing the current 401K's that most of us have with our retirement funds in them.

Why?

Probably because they know how to invest our money better than we do, and want to make us put all our extra money into government backed retirements funds.


Sounds to me like a repeat of Social Security, where they'll use our money, put an IOU in a drawer someplace, and then say oops.....sorry, your money's all gone....

If the current mortgage securities plan prevails,
come out of it all smelling like a rose. They are proposing to refinance the mortgages based on inflated appraised values that existed BEFORE the mortgage crisis, not the current lower values. In this way, the homeowners will still end up owing more on their mortgages than their homes are actually worth....they will just be paying for it for a longer term with more accumulated interest on the loan. Those terms are the ones we need to keep our eyes on and see how it plays out, but it looks to me like it is not going to make it into the next session of Congress.
In the current economic meltdown....he has to inspire confidence...
fortunately for me, I am reaping the benefits of one of his agendas. I would be absolutely THRILLED if he can accomplish it all within the time limits he has imposed upon himself - but, he has an army of congress to aid our progress - how much will the pubs obstruct? I guess we will have to wait to see. I could pisss in my cheerios and embrace your negativity but I'd rather go to bed and have fabulous sex with my husband - we have something to celebrate.
This site says "according to current polling data" ...I'll say again....
the polls are stacked to the dem side, as that is mostly who they poll.

Wait till the actual, real, election, to see who wins.


I don't believe or trust in these one-sided polls....
Disagree..sm
It takes a heartless person to say that the 9-11 widows are doing this for money. WHAT MONEY??? The insurance policy? Stop kidding yourself. Losing a love one and gaining an insurance policy is not everyones object of affection. This is the same effect of a mother losing her child to a drowning and then pushing for swiming safety, or victim of a sex predator pushing for tougher sex laws.

As far as Hillary, I think she is just as outraged as anyone else should be at Ann's comments, and the fact that Ann gets media coverage to tout this stuff is just as mind numbing.

All you said about Ann I agree, plus add hatred, evil, and prejudice and you have her pegged.


disagree here also

Colter is a hatemonger, thats all.  I heard every hour of AL Franken's program and he never said anything outrageous like she/it.  Al Franken was quite witty and entertaining and merely give his listeners the facts that were suppressed elsewhere.  He was on the story about Asian factory workers forced to have abortions by their American bosses way before other outlets were discussing it. Really!! Stop trying to pull the wool ....


 


 


I would have to disagree with you.

No surprise there right?


I would like to note that all social reform to take place in the United States has been at the heels of a liberal movement.  From our breaking off with Britain in the mid 1700s, to civil war in the mid 1800s, and the liberal movement of the mid 1960s.  Liberalism as a belief has moved from Republican to Democrat and back again more than once.  Taking your stance on pro-life and moving it to the time of mid 1800s would put you for all intents and purposes under the Democratic wing.


As the saying goes, complacency breeds contempt, and I believe that we are now in the beginnings of another liberal movement.  A little quicker than our 100 year mark, but with the speed that the world is changing, so must we. 


We as a people and government have to embrace change, that is the true nature of liberalism. 


Realistically, your views/postings justify the label.  You may not wish it, but by just expressing them promotes it.  The fact that you have never mentioned the remote possibility of voting Democrat, which at this point in our history leans toward the liberal, and only looking at the Republican party is labeling.  If you did not want to be labeled or wish not to be, you wouldn't be so quick to make your conservative opinions heard.


As I frequently tell my husband, if you get too caught up in the details, you will lose the bigger picture, which usually leads me to telling him that he gets in his own way more often than not.


I disagree
First these are pics of him NOT in his uniform. True, there are some pics of him in his uniform in some of the ads, but others he is in civilian clothes. It gives me the same feeling as when I went to the health food store and spent $50 for a large can of protein powder and got got home and the can was half empty. I call it "deception". I also think by reminding us of his time in the service he is reminding us that he was a POW and he's got a grudge against people in other countries and he's going to use his position for revenge. That's what I see when I'm reminded of his uniform.

Second - his mind. No it's not a cheap shot, its the truth. Everytime he speaks he misstates himself. When talking about the countries at work he gets the different countries mixed up and has got to constantly be correct by Lieberman or others standing around him. When asked about his voting record on important issues he can't remember how he voted and he even stated so. One time he said "I can't remember how I voted on that issue". It was an important issue and I looked at my DH and said what does he mean he can't remember, how would you forget something like that. So I think the state of his mind is an important factor in whether I will vote for him.

As for Obama...I was not talking about Obama in my post. I was talking about McCain, but since you brougnt it up, sure there are things I may not like about him but his speaking ability and remembering important issues are not one of them. Saying he can't make speeches without a teleprompter or planned statement is just not true. He has spoken at several events without a teleprompter or prepared speeches and he can think on his feet just fine. I didn't hear him stumble over questions given by audience members or media. I'm sure you probably heard that from some conservative programs like Fox or Rush Limbaugh.
i must disagree
I have read many of his columns.  He is a right wing extremist.
Disagree....
...and really, just have to laugh out loud.

Sarah Palin has more experience than Barack Obama. Just wait and watch.

Every time, every person, be in on Obama's own team, Obama himself, Biden, or you for that matter....say that she has no experience....

Well guess what? She has more leadership experience than Obama.

She has been in charge and running a government.

She has been the governor of Alaska since 2006.

She was the mayor of a city, Wasilla, Alaska.

So I ask you. How can you, or anyone out there, sit there and say she has no experience to be VP....when you have a candidate running for President who has even less experience for her.

Explain that one to me.

And while you're doing that, think about how bad Obama will look every single time anyone, anywhere, brings up her lack of experience....as that will only highlight and reinforce his own, sadly lacking leadership background and experience.


Disagree. sm

I feel the reason New Orleans went under was because the National Guard, tanks, etc. were all in Iraq.


Doesn't it bother you that Palin actually said, her son was going to Iraq to fight the people that attacked us?  Clueless.


I agree that McCain is a war hero, so is my dad, but he certainly is not qualified to be President.


I have to disagree with you on that.
Nm
and I disagree with you so

maybe we both will be kicked off too for disagreeing.


Sam does research before posting an answer to some of the statements told here, then posts the links so we can all see what is the truth, not just a few. Anyone who cares anything about this country would do the same.  It's not rocket science. The problem is some people on this board don't care to listen. They're right and everybody else is wrong.They think sam is attacking them personally, when he/she is not, just stating FACTS, not untruths.


Sorry, OT, but I must disagree

The liberal media would be analyzing his choice till the cows came home. 


 


Well, I disagree. s/m

Did you miss the part where he said, "I'm the decider."?  His old buddy Richard (message says *ick is a bad word.........well, on that we can agree) is guilty right along with him. I do  not think history will be kind to him.  But then it WAS kind to FDR until the republicans came out with their "study" to excuse the fact that Hoover was, before Bush, acknowledged to be the worst president in history.


I say while you're putting Palin on her dogsled back to Alaska, hitch up a couple of longhorns and point Bush and Cheney back to Texas.  Trouble is I don't think Texas wants them.


Again, you and I disagree.
While I do not agree with you, I do respect your right to your opinion.
disagree, because
McCain has plenty of energy to get the job and more done; and Palin has more experience than even Obama... Yes, our govn't has lots of checks and balances, but if you put a democratic pres in, with a democ house and democ senate, you have a steamroller effect and dem's have not been very good about 'reaching across the aisle'. Besides, some of the "changes" that may occur in an obama reign may take decades to un-do (appointments of judges for example) and if it makes our country more unsafe and we suffer an enemy attack, that's irreparable damage to lives, and longterm for economy, etc. What about all the jobs lost with his economic (so-called:) plan, and taxation which will hurt small business and cost jobs? (100% of job growth has been in small business) How many more will lose homes, etc under Obama after losing their jobs? How screwed up will our healthcare system become? No, i want a safe USA, i want a stable growing economy, etc and will vote McCain.
I disagree

McCain is not throwing people off his bus because they don't report him in a good light.


McCain is not banning newspaper interviews because they ask him serious questions.


McCain is not banning networks because they ask him serious questions.


The O is doing all of this.


Just because I disagree with you...
does not make me any more closed minded than you apparently are. It is painfully obvious that neither one of is interested in what the other has to say. If you are not interested in debating with me, you could have just ignored my post. I would not, however, count on those greener pastures.
I disagree
What the president elect does in the days prior to his inauguration is important in terms of choosing his staff, etc, but we're not all as enamored of him as some of you, to want to sit googly-eyed in front of the TV and watch his every photo op.

The important points of his pre-inauguration decisions can be covered in the news or newspaper. I think a lot of us still watch the news and read the newspaper.



Anyone can disagree

with one another.  That is human nature.  I can respect someone that can give point and counter point without getting nasty.  There is no need for name calling or veiled side of the mouth comments.  I would love a decent conversation with others whose opinions are or are not always the same as mine.