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Lessons Obama learned from stimulus bill
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/17/obama.ahead/index.html?iref=nextin
You learned? Obviously not.
I have learned to do this
I now look at the subject line then look at who is posting the message. If its a poster that I don't agree with I don't even open the message. I just move on and it saves a lot of frustration. As for the poster named sam. In the beginning we were "butting heads". I was as much to blame for this, and I always remember what my grandfather used to tell me...not everyone will always agree on politics and religion and therefore just respect what the other person has to say and move on.
I've been reading the posts in the past and in all fairness sam does not do a lot of the original posts. It is other people, then when she gives her opinion (like we are all allowed to do), that's when people start in on her and then claim she's started it all when she didn't. There are even posts that have nothing to do with politics but trying to egg sam into a fight.
So my rule I try and keep is post something and if you don't like sams response just ignore it (don't open it) and ignore it. It sure saves on the nerves. Also, its not fair to ask for someone to be banned, especially when she is not abusive and insulting and just defending her opinion, just as I'm sure you wouldn't want someone asking you to be banned.
P.S. - Sam, it might just be easier for you to change your name. We do respect your right to post messages and answer and respond. I enjoy hearing your opinion on things. I know there are others like me that feel the same way as I've been reading some of the messages. BTW, because of things you have brought up, I have changed the way I look at some things (not everything but some things).
I know it's a political board and people on both sides get into "heated" discussions, but for me I try and not take any of it too seriously. We are all people with feelings and I'm much calmer when I let things go in one ear and out the other.
We learned it from you guys
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I have learned so much about the economy over...sm
the last week but it has only made me see how much more I don't know. Pretty scary! We are all at the mercy of those in Washington and on Wall Street. Plenty of blame to go around but blame will not get us out of this mess.
Not naturally, learned it from you guys.
You guys are very good teachers, and people generally do learn best by example, you know.
By the way I have another question. That smut rag by Ann Coulter you enjoy so much....she refers to Bill Clinton as a horny hick. Now does hick apply to ALL people from Arkansas, or all people with a working class background or just people from Arkansas with a working class background?
The lesson I learned is that Sam has class...you are
What I learned today on C-span
(I hope the spacing comes out okay, apologies if not). From C-span here are a couple comments. One by a republican and one by a democrat. It’s good to know that there are people (democrats & republicans alike) who realize this is a bad deal and are looking out for our best interest and not their own.
Rep. Michael Burgess – R. Texas 26th district
Speaker, I come to the floor today to talk about this 700 billion dollar bill that is in front of us. I use the term bill advisedly because we have seen no bill. We are here debating talking points on perhaps one of the largest fundamental change in our nation’s financial system in its history. And house republicans have been cut out of the process. Not only have we been cut out of the process, we have also been derided by the leadership of the democratic party and called unpatriotic for not participating. Mr. Speaker I have been thrown out of more meetings in this capital in the past 24 hours than I ever thought possible as a duly elected representative of 820,000 citizens of North Texas. Mr. Speaker, politics is a full contact sport and I understand that, but it is a full contact sport in the light of day in the public arena. Since we didn’t have hearings, since we didn’t have markups, lets at least put this legislation up on the internet for 24 hours. That’s what Thomas was made for. Lets do that and let the American people see what we have done in the dark of night. After all, I have not gotten any more mail, any more emails on any other subject other than this one that is before us today. Mr. Speaker I understand we are under martial law as declared by the speaker last night. I think its ironic house republicans have not been needed for a single thing in this house to assure passage for the last 22 months. And today we are going to be asked to vote for a bill for political cover because democrats are too weak to stand up to their speaker. I yield back.
Rep. Marcy Kaptur – D. Ohio 9th District
Mr. Speaker, my message to the American people, don’t let congress seal this wall street deal. High financial crimes have been committed. Now congress is being asked to bail out the culprits and to do so at the expense of those who elected us to guard their interest the people of our country. The normal legislative process that should accompany review of a monumental proposal to bail out wall street has been shelved, yes shelved. Only a few insiders are doing the dealing. Sounds like insider trading to me. These criminals have so much political power they can shut down the normal legislative process of the highest law making body in this land. All the committees that should be scanning every word of what is being negotiated are benched, and that means the American people are benched too. We are constitutionally sworn to protect and defend this republic against ALL enemies foreign and domestic, and my friends there are enemies. We are told we will have a trillion dollar bill to review soon and have less than 24 hours with no regular hearings to try to vote on this tar baby. The people pushing this deal are the very same ones who are responsible for the implosion on wall street. They were fraudulent then and they are fraudelent now. We should say no to this deal. I ask my colleagues to join us at 2:00 at HC8 of the capital to meet with some real experts who have done financial resolutions without putting financial burdeon on the taxpayer. Please join us HC8 at 2 p.m.
94 democrats voted against this bill today. That is more than half the democrats, yet they get in front of the camera and give their little speeches about how all democrats are for this and its all the republicans fault this didn’t pass. Hello folks, do the math.
Pelosi has shown how truly inexperienced, divisive and uncaring she. She gets up there and her mouth just flaps with nothing of substance being said. She is incompetent and should be fired. All that came out of her flapping gums today was more bashing of the republicans and accusing them of what democrats have been doing for over 2 years now. Why in the world would you give a speech putting all the blame on people and bash the other political side before a vote is even held. Chalk it up to one more of the numerous reasons she is incompetent and needs to step down. And if she doesn’t step down she should be physically removed. Even the Deputy Minority Whip held up a copy of Pelosi’s floor speech at a press conference and said she had “failed to listen and lead” on the issue.
Then I heard Barney Frank talk. He should be renamed Barney Baloney. He stands and mocks the people who voted against the bill making fun of them. As someone said he may be a funny and clever guy, but there is nothing funny about this situation.
Did anyone even notice today that every time Pelosi and Franks spoke the market dived. When they stopped talking the market started going up. They’d get in front of the camera again and the market started tanking again big time. This happened about 3 or 4 times (I was watching it on a split screen). At that point you would have thought the President would have called over and told them to shut up because they were tanking the market.
Kucinich (democrat) said the ones who caused this are the one who are giving us a line (Pelosi, Franks, Kerry, Dodd).
Truth is this $700B is not enough. This is a small part of what is needed. Many people are saying it's more like close to a trillion. After this they’ll say well we need this much more, then that much more, and before we know it we’re going to be paying more than just $10,500.
There are economists and educated people who are asking for a decent bill. But do they consult them. They are the ones with the knowledge and ideas to get us out of the mess. No who do they get – Pelosi, Franks, Dodd, etc – the people who did this in the first place).
All I can see is both candidates are more interested in getting themselves elected than what is happening with the economy so don’t even try to say one is worse than the other. I cannot say what Obama is saying because I’m not hearing anything from him except that he keeps saying it needs to be fixed, but I’m not hearing his specific viewpoints on the bill itself (and I'm not hearing McCain's specifics either). Specifics would be good if I'm suppose to vote for one or the other in November.
You should have learned that in history class
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Interesting link - learned something new
I found a site that has an interesting interview with a historian. He wrote....
"Especially in politics it is of the utmost importance to try to look behind the facade: who makes up the team of the presidential candidate? The future president of the United States of America is for a large part dependent on and being fed by his team of advisors and future cabinet members."
Below is a link with his interview. Very interesting. There are two parts to the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k&feature=related
Wow, you've learned a word from O'Reilly
 tells me you must watch. Again, exactly what does Rush say that is wrong? I'm waiting.
It appears she learned a new big word there. Are we impressed?
You haven't learned a thing, Lurker. sm
Historically, Vietnam taught SOME of us, including the historians, and General Giap, who published his memoirs, that the antiwar movement in the United States EMBOLDENED and STRENGTHENED THE RESOLVE of the North Vietnamese when they were ready to surrender after Tet. To some, that might be a history lesson worth remembering and not repeating, but I know you CHOOSE not to believe this. So be it.
Just learned how Hillary is going to get Barack to lose
Hillary's supporters like General Wesley Clark and others are starting to come out now in full force making statements that are not favorable towards Barack. Even though Clark's statements are true (just cos you are shot down in an aircraft doesn't mean your qualified to be President) but it doesn't help in getting your party elected to the white house. I knew she was going to do it so that McCain would win and because he's so weak he'll only be in four years then she and Bill will run again in 4 years. I just didn't know how she was planning it until I watched the news this a.m. She is such a skum bag in my opinion. The worry of having to listen to her again in 4 years is enough to put me through the roof again.
Learned how to deal with the frustrations of politics
I am so much calmer now these days since I learned how to deal with the frustrating day to day news of politics. My solution - I now watch HBO, The Food Channel, BBC, Travel Channel, and any other channel that is not news related. If I want news I will look at Drudge. TV is just too overwhelming for me and all these so called "experts" commenting on the politics.
So...you shouldn't be seeing any more stupid irate comments from me anymore. I'll now just be a couch potato learning how to cook different foods and planning my vacation to all these far away places on the travel channel. Oh yes, I forgot...while I speak in a british accent because I watch so much BBC. HA HA 
Not allowed. Pubs haven't learned
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She could teach a class on it solely based on what she learned
from CONS here. You people provide a wealth of knowledge.
Guess you've learned to live within your means?
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He learned Islamic teachings "inside" the school..
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This post really makes me WANT to vote for Obama. I am undecided, but this pushes me closer to Obama
...Thanks for the info!
Obama was cool, while grouchy man steamed. Obama!!!
I'm so happy. The dippy people on here who are haters and racists and mccain lovers must be so po'd today. HAHAHAHAHAHA
If Obama gets elected, then it was meant to be! Go, Obama!
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Go Obama/Biden! I don't like it and will VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN!
Obama has shown great judgment in the people who surround him. He picked a great VP choice, and his wife is impeccable as a helpmate and is a fantastic role model for the American children.
Obama
I believe Obama has an awesome political future. He sure is a bright light, and he would be someone I would seriously consider voting for.
Someone I like even better is Rep. Harold Ford from Tennessee. Every time I hear this man speak, I like him more and more and more.
I think there are lots of good candidates out there who don't fit the profiles you outlined, which I also believe to be true, and I think we're well overdue in considering those candidates because, in my opinion, what we've been offered in the last several elections -- on BOTH sides -- has been pretty pitiful. The "box" isn't working, and it's time to look outside of it.
Obama is the man!!!
I think he will make an excellent president some day. Maybe Hillary/Obama would be a good ticket choice.
obama
FYI - he never attended a midrasha. This was later corrected.
Obama 08...nm
Obama et. al.
If we get Obama or any of the other candidates we will get more of the same. War and taxes. Empire building. If you like that kind of stuff, vote for any of the candidates EXCEPT.......... RON PAUL. The only candidate for peace, limited government and minding our own business. 
Obama
As I posted on the other board, it is crazy that in one breath people are freaking out saying he is a Muslim, and in the next one, they are freaking out because of his stand on abortion. Being pro-choice really does not go with being a Muslim.
I like Obama, and I like his stance on choice. I really could care less if he is a Muslim. But, he belongs to a Christian church and has for over 20 years, before he had a political career.
People never cease to amaze me!
Obama
My husband just returned from Iraq, we support the war-- but if I had to vote democrat, definitely Obama, please!! But I vote republican, hee hee.
Go Obama!
What a great victory for Obama!
Did anyone see the Kennedy’s endorsement for Obama and his speech this morning? I have never been more excited and inspired in politics. In my life I’ve voted both sides (usually not voting for a candidate but rather voting for the other side as a vote against a candidate). I usually tune out in politics because of outright lies. Barack is the first candidate that I finally understand what he stands for, what his plans are, and he is someone who can connect with everyone in every walk of life. He is a trustworthy, inspiring, and humble person and his voting record and other aspects of his government life give me the confidence that he would be a great president. Listening to his speeches gives me hope for a better country/future for everyone.
I respect everyone’s choice for who they think would be a better president, but I’m sick to death of Clinton and what she stands for. All you have to do is read up on the history of her and what she did when she resided in Oakland California (who her mentors/ colleagues were and what her motives/plans are). She claims to have all this “experience” but doesn’t have it. She takes what her husband accomplished and if it was something good she claims credit to it and if it was bad she had nothing to do with it. Meanwhile her husband is so consumed/greedy (not sure which word best suits him – maybe consumed with greed) to get back into the white house that he is purposely destroying the opponents (even Ted Kennedy had to call and admonish him), but that is the Clinton legacy, destroying other people’s lives. Then when someone does call him on something he will point his finger at them in a threatening way and plays the victim role. It makes me ill just thinking of having someone as corrupt as both of them back in the white house.
If Bill was such a great president they should bring up all the great things that happened under his presidency, but we are not hearing any of it, why? Because there is none. In my opinion he was one of the worst presidents in history. Not one thing he did was for the good of the country. And if anyone believes that she was such a “good wife” while he was out messing around with other women think again. She had her mind set on being president a long time ago. She just uses him to get what she wants. Everything she does has always been calculated.
As for his presidency, I think people are forgetting….he lied under oath and he was impeached for it. Which brings me to another question…why does anyone believe anything he has to say now? Remember the phrase “that all depends on what the meaning of is, is”. Then there was Waco Texas – people were burned alive. But they called them members of a cult, so I guess that made it okay. Then let’s see…Somalia, Bosnia, Monica (and no it wasn’t just about having an affair with her or all the other women), receiving illegal contributions, Vince Foster, and the list goes on and on and on.
An article I just read said it better than I can….
“The problem for Hillary Clinton is that, as usual, she wants it both ways. She wants to be judged on her own merits and not be treated as Bill's Mini-Me. But she also wants to reap the benefits of Bill's popularity, and offers voters the reassuring suggestion that if there's a crisis while she's in the White House, there will be someone around who really does have executive branch experience - namely, Bill - to lend a hand. But the Clintons are playing a dangerous game. The more they remind us of what we liked about Act I of the Bill and Hillary Show, the more they also remind us of what we hated.
If you are interested in reading the whole article this is the link…
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/op_ed/hc-brooks0128.artjan28,0,7018385.story
Obama
He would be better than the one that has been there for 8 years. No matter who is elected, it will take a long time to fix what Bush as screwed up!
<3 Obama too!!
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Obama
If she keeps lying from today until November she might actually catch up with Obama!
Go Obama
Haven't seen any posts here for awhile. Very excited about the outcome of tonight's election. I am so glad to see that people are not buying the "gimmicks" Hillary proposed. Gas tax holiday?...give me a break! Someone needed to ask her, "So what happens when the holiday is over", you charge back up the gas price!
The big joke is that Bill Clinton raised the gas tax in his first year in office. It was included in a package of tax increases that amounted to the biggest tax increase in history. It was raised by 4.3 cents. Not only did he raise the gas tax, but he wanted to raise it even higher.
So you should all get this straight...Hillary is "claiming" she would give drivers 3 whole months (wow - imagine that) 18 cent a gallon cut after her husband forced drivers to pay an extra 5 cents for 15 years.
Unfortunately there were some people who bought into her pandering (which by the way is another word for lying), but thank goodness enough people with an education and most important most of the with common sense could see right through her lies.
Way to go North Carolina - I'm so pleased. And Indiana too. It was a close race thank goodness.
Now she needs to step down. Why? Because its the right thing to do. Do the numbers. There is no way she can win and anyone who believes so needs to wake up. What we need is for her to support Barack Obama (that is if she's telling the truth about the most important thing is nominating a democrat for president). Somehow though I do not believe she has the best interest of the party or the american people in mind. Her goal is to serve herself. She needs to graciously bow out and put all her efforts into getting a democrat in the office.
P.S. - Note to the "ditto heads". Maybe we should rename Limbaugh followers "dumbo heads". Not only did your little plan fail Mr. Limbo, but it failed badly. In a poll taken (and yes I know polls can be misleading), but not only did the republicans change parties to vote for a democrat but the majority of them voted for Obama. Then on top of that over 75% of republicans that voted as democrats said that Obama could be McCain (or as I am hearing him being referred to as McBush), but only around 25% said they believed Hillary could win. So not only does Hillary need to do the math, so does Mr. Limbo.
Obama
Is Barack Hussein Obama the Antichrist?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=94d_1202965504
I am for Obama because...
My point in fact is agreeing with the republicans in that Obama does not have a lot of experience - I think not having a lot of experience is a good thing because it means he is not "hand-in-hand" with all the people that have been in charge for so long - he can form his own opinions, make his own decisions, and not go with somebody just because they did this or that for somebody or they contributed this or that to somebody...
No, Obama gets it better than many do
Check out this award-winning article written by Fareed Zakaria, a foreign policy expert, right after 9/11 called "Why They Hate Us" - http://www.fareedzakaria.com/ARTICLES/newsweek/101501_why.html
Most people at that time (myself included) said that question was irrelavant, but understanding why they some have those attitudes helps us understand better what the U.S. can do to help change it. The fringe extremists will never go away, but their support by the general Muslim community as a whole will diminish (and already is). Free markets and capitalism would go a long way toward this goal and I think Obama gets that.
obama wants to be GOD
He wants to change the structure of the U.S. and he wants to bargain with and change the structure of Europe.. He is a destroyer.
obama
Muslims are dedicated to destroying the US from within. Obama is Muslim.
Obama..........
I think the pictures speak for themselves....although there will be plenty of Obama lovers who will sing his praises and find excuse after excuse why the flat is no longer on the plane. He could have just as easily left the flag and put his little slogan on there with it, but chose to remove the flag altogether. Speaks volumes!!!!
Obama is Muslim, will always be Muslim, and it is very disturbing to me that anyone would want a Muslim president. No Muslims have ever spoken out about 9/11 which also speaks volumes!! He has learned his Muslim faith from a young child, and the little boys are taught to hate the US and anyone who isn't them...he is no different. There are too may who sing his praises but refuse to state the obvious. Just because they hate republicans sure doesn't mean you put the fox in charge of the hen house. At no time during his speeches have I ever heard him speak of his love for the United States. He just repeats over and over where he came from, who raised him, and what their faiths were, and folks better open their ears and listen up.
No candidate for President of this country would so boldy make a point of getting rid of the very thing that is such a strong symbol of this country. Try doing that in another country and you will be hauled off to jail....the end!!
And, I don't want to hear about this is a free country and he can do what he wants. The whole point of this "free" country is to support the US and our beliefs, not Muslim beliefs which are definitely that of hate. A lot of feathers will be ruffled with this comment, but I really don't care to sugar coat the facts just because some hate republicans or other parties to the point they will accept anything in the white house....a wolf in sheep's clothing, and there will be MANY because of their hatred for the other candidate, who will be sucked into his beliefs as well.
Obama
You know, there is not a nickel's worth of difference between any of them. They all have ghosts in their closets. They just hope we do not find out about them. Bush Sr. had a girlfriend while he was in service. Eisenhower did, LBJ was a womanizer. Jimmy Carter is a good human, still working for Habitat and the poor people. Bush Jr. used cocaine while he was at Camp David about 10 years or so ago. Not that long ago. Let's not forget John Edwards. Like I said there are no clean cut guys or ladies. We do not know that much about OBama yet. I have my doubts about him. He came out of nowhere, too strong and the younger population fell for whatever he has said.
EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HER CAN BE SAID ABOUT OBAMA!
I can see your problem with McCain but every bash you make about her is the same about Obama. No experience for either of them, at least she's got EXECUTIVE experience. Tell me, what kind of foreign policy knowledge does Obama have again? Oh wait, that's why he chose Biden as his running mate. No matter what you people say, I believe it was a good choice, because she represents something new and exciting, just like Obama himself!
Obama
It is interesting that she would use his whole name..kind of makes you wonder..I noticed that she does NOT use the whole names of the other candidates but several times I have seen postings on this board..so what if he has a middle name that is Arabic..
Obama
He's just a talking head, somebody's puppet, aint nothing without his teleprompter and written speeches...gimme a break!
Right, Obama has run nothing!
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And yet Obama wants to
help these people so they can continue to sit on their butts and do something while the rest of us bust our humps. No thank you!
Obama: It's about you, not me."
With RNC behind us now, dems are faced with the daunting challenge of making the 2008 election a referendum on issues, not a personality contest. Here are 2 links that got thrown under the bash bus.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/97198/top_ten_most_disturbing_facts_and_impressions_of_sarah_palin/
http://www.alternet.org/election08/97350/8_more_shocking_revelations_about_sarah_palin/?page=3
Though the title of these articles may lead one to conclude it is more about Palin bashing, there is a gold mine of pertinent information to be found there. Embedded within the articles are more links that are overwhelming on first inspection, but well worth the time it takes to review them. Laid out there between the lines is a structured blueprint for facing the upcoming 60 days with effective campaign strategy.
There is another post that also got buried in the mud which will be brought back up to the top momentarily on issues. If it get buries again, it will be brought back up to the top again. The bashes it may inspire will be ignored. The issues will continue to get the focus.
There is another battleground in this election aside from the issues push. It is the one fought on the field of values and vision; specifically, the Obama vision versus the McCain/Palin vision of what kind of America they/we see in our futures and what sort of change each candidate promises to deliver. The link below is an article that addresses this subject. It is a self-effacing piece I believe dems should take to heart when considering how to frame their upcoming campaign tactics. Here's that link.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/97193/the_palin_choice%3A_the_reality_of_voters%27_minds/
The introduction to this post expresses a basic premise from which I will be operating. I will not be diminishing the power of Obama's message by indulging in petty squabbles, dead-end distractions, one-upmanship and a race to get the last word. There is important work here, people, and we best rolls up our sleeves and get started.
Obama to appear on
Countdown Monday night. Can't wait.
Obama - do as I say, not as I do
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_craftiness.html
No, that is what they all DO. Obama is the one...
who says do as I say, not as I do.
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