what's really married?

Posted By: so true on 2009-04-06
In Reply to: Now this is about the...well I'm too shocked to even think of a word - hmmm

I have 17 cousins. One is gay. Out of 18 of us, 17 have married. Guess which one has not, and he has been with his partner for 30 years. Yes - 30 YEARS. Of the rest of us, only 2 have only been married once, all the rest divorced AT LEAST once. They are a great couple and I would gladly dance at their wedding. Morals? Values? Put a little love in your hearts.

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Iowa high court legalizes gay marriage in state - sm
- Way to go, VERMONT! They've legalized it, too. - YAYYY!!!!
  - Knew there was a reason why I love Vermont - New Englander
  - No - shame on you VT legislators!!! - Vermonter against SSM
    - Shame on YOU, anti-SSM... it's not about - being "in", it's about EQUALITY.
      - Well, just so YOU know, - sm
        It is about what the PEOPLE want - and they wanted this - New Englander
        They may have voted for what some - Trigger Happy
        An overwhelming majority of the country does not agree - with SSM.
        Here is part of the article: - What does this say about the system???
    - Agree. The whole thing is just sickening. - nm
    - Maybe all the biblethumpers in the US should - just form their own walled-off state.
      - You seem to forget that when put to a vote... - Kendra
        No, the big-money bunch in Orange County had - a lot to do with it. Ah-nold loves them -S/M
        I am originally from California and personally know... - Kendra
        Actually our representatives do represent the people - New Englander
        And special rights for - Patty
        What about special rights for the 'morally confused?' - Like NOT TAXING CHURCHES?
      - Maybe all the homosexuals should do that. - Better idea
        except that most gays are about INCLUSION, not - EXCLUSION. (S/M)
        Not a group I'd ever want to be included in. - LOL
        Not to worry. I don't think they'd be particularly - happy to have you.
        Definitely! - Patty
        Come on out of that closet! - yeah right
        You're sick and disgusting. - nm
        And you - yeah right
        People like you are the reason - sm
        Straight people being - ya know
        I haven't seen any - Patty
        Do you think you've been responding to - sm
        Umm...No - yeah right
        Oh yes.. - Patty
        You are right - sm
        If I did not feel - yeah right
        A Christian according to you - sm
        Being called gay is an insult, plain and simple. - sm
        and being called straight is an insult since - see message - New Englander
        Homosexuals are NOT being - Patty
        Perhaps... - yeah right
        Keep it up, you're just burying your cause - sm
        And what cause would that be? - yeah right
        I suspect that it is the - Patty
        I'm a straight person who would rather be called gay - any day over 'religious fanatic'.
        They'll NEVER - Patty
        Well said - you got that one right. - New Englander
        No they don't - Patty
        Honey, you have NO idea what "forced" means. - But try looking in the mirror sometime.
- I am and have always been a democrat, but - sm
  - Then how about - me
    - As long as you do it in the closet & not - Personally,
      - Good then because - me
        Why on earth would a gay - sm
        ahhh...but you don't know this - me
        According to homosexual protocol - Patty
        Why does a child - Patty
    - Great... - Patty
- I personally don't agree with this. - Trigger Happy
  - No bashing from me. I agree with you. - nm
- My personal feelings aside,,, - Kendra
- Sorry, but I so disagree with this. - I guess I have too strong of morals and values. NM
  - So if someone disagrees with you on... - Marmann
    - What you said, in a nutshell, is how a few men in a - religious hierarchy have exerted control over - S/
      - Religious hierarchy... - Patty
        "Heterosexual henchmen?" Now that is a riot. - !
        Oops! I meant "homosexual". We already know - there are plenty of hetero henchmen everywhere.
  - Also, too bad of grammar to post... - Galloping grammarian
    - OMG. I disagree! - Is that better police grammar?
      - Who the heck is Rick Warren and who cares what he thinks - me
        Rick Warren? The pastor who prayed - during Obama's inauguration?
        I think he's the guy who wrote - A.Nonymous
      - Trying really hard to think - GG
        Whatever. - LOL. No message below.
  - This country needs more love and equal rights, and - less of the so-called "moral values".
    - you can live your life any way you want!! - sm
      - Nobody's forcing their values on you. - Yebbut
    - Which is exactly why our country is the way it is - no one cares about values anymore
      - and you would NEVER do anything that - "feels good" -- right?
        Feels good! - ........ MsMT
        Being kind to other people feels good, too. - So does freedom from bible dogma.
        Why don't you let your kids decide for themselves - mt
        The "gay" lifestyle - Patty
        As Yoda might say - - "A piece of work you are."
      - Where do babies come from? 1 man and 1 woman - I couldn't agree more
        No one's "changing the tradition of marriage". - Why not allow more people to celebrate it?
        Marriage is for one man and one woman - sm
        Says who? Your bible, which is nothing more than - an ancient fairytale?
        My point exactly - New Englander
        What people do in the privacy - Patty
        Exactly - just as your viewpoint is being forced - upon others who dont share it.
        Yeah, it works both ways... - sm
        And I think I recall reading about sperm doners - New Englander
        huh? - sm
        Nobody is telling you anything - New Englander
        I could be discriminated against also - Patty
        You certainly can chose with whom - Yebbut
        Then, neither - Patty
        You see my point, and you don't. - Yebbut
        Oh but I strongly disagree with you - Patty
        Ummm, don't play the race card here - Patty didn't bring it up, New Englander did. nm
        Wrong! In the words of Patty - Yebbut
        Wrong - Patty
        And so I am not permitted to - Yebbut
        Respond away. - Patty
        Well, excuuuuuse me! - Yebbut
        BIGOTRY is ugly, even when camouflaged - by bible scripture.
        Not if your bigotted - Patty
        Bigotry is bigotry. And "sin" is a subjective concept. - Nothing more, nothing less.
        your choice of words in this post is offensive - I'd highly consider how you choose your words
        Homosexual" marriage" is very - Patty
        Actually scientists have found a gene...... - Janeyy
        Calling someone a homo is a derogative term - and you certainly do understand that
        Your "marriages" - Patty
        You definitely have a chip on your shoulder. - nm
        And that gives you the right to call me a homo????? - and you certainly do understand that
        How is saying you have a chip on your - sm
        Because.... - and you certainly do understand that
        I don't think "homo" is slanderous - but rather a shortening of the word
        Exactly. Is 'hetero' offensive? - nm
        No because - see message - and you certainly do understand that
        I would think - Patty
        No you are offensive - and you certainly do understand that
        Coffee anyone? - outside the closet
        You're right. They cover their ears, close their eyes, - and flap their mouths. It's - S/M
        LOL :-) - New Englander
        Thank you outside the closet - and you certainly do understand that
        I find homosexuality - Patty
        It's often been observed that those who spew - the most hatred, often have latent tendencies them
        corr: " latent tendencies themselves". - N/M
        If you happen to be unconscious - Yebbut
        Excellent - thanks - New Englander
        Yep, God discriminates - Patty
        See? There it is again. Using God as an - excuse to bully other people.
        They'll NEVER be really married - Patty
        The ignorance that still abounds in the US - in this day and age is shocking.
        Until one of them leaves the toilet seat up - Mythbuster
        Now this is about the...well I'm too shocked to even think of a word - hmmm
        Marriage - Patty
        SURE they can! Use your imagination! - [- giggles -]
        Sexual intercourse - Patty
        Is that all you ever think about? - ?
        Ah, just as Bill Clinton - Yebbut
        Huh? Let's stay on topic here. Bill Clinton and his intern have no relevance to this thread??nm - Male and female = marriage. nm
        He sure does have a relevance to this thread - are approving marriage of gays and lesbians
        Exactly.......the parts don't fit and for good reason!!! - nm
        Sex is just a small part of marriage. What marriage - is REALLY about is love and support.
        I loved and supported - Patty
        What if not only can you not conceive - Just wondering
        Do you kiss your kids with that potty mouth? - WOW!
        Quick question about the "sex" marriage thing... - Janey
        I don't think they are the ones who are confused, here. - Topaz
        I am not at all threatened! - ........ MsMT
        I think you DO feel threatened. If a same-sex - couple gets married, it - S/M
        You can't compare race vs. a deviant lifestyle. - nm
        YOUR almighty lifestyle is what's deviant. - Do you really believe God approves of you?
        Well-put, msMT! - nm
        But it IS a sin - Patty
        Says who? You? - Where did you get your authority?
        The way you are treating others IS a sin - me
        I'm not cruel to anyone - Patty
        But God doesn't say that - me
        Using that belief to try to restrict the freedom of - other individuals IS cruel.
        You evidently have no idea - the parts fit just fine - are approving marriage of gays and lesbians
        Loving someone - Patty
        people like you are why I'm glad more states - are approving marriage of gays and lesbians
        All the states can approve - Patty
        If everyone had your mindset, most likely - see msg
        No discrimination - Patty
        A blaring example of the term, "blind faith". - s/m
        Then looks like your gonna be weeping - are approving marriage of gays and lesbians
        what's really married? - so true
        In 2002 I was asked to arrange - Yebbut
      - It will only get worse... - Patty
        I really feel sorry for you. It must be hard to go - through life so afraid of things - S/M
        No hatred - Patty
        Obviously no free will, either. Brainwashing: - now THAT is a sin. -nm
        Well, it keeps the population down - Yebbut
  - if you disagree - wowzer
- It's about time and other states should follow - New Englander
  - One really can't help - Yebbut
    - Attraction - Patty
      - In the case of children and/or goats - Yebbut
        Goats can't consent... - Patty
        Neither can little children, and look how many have - been the victims of the CLERGY.
        Yes, you TRY to make a case for anything - Yebbut
  - Love and sex... - Patty
    - What do you mean "normal"?????? - New Englander
      - So - be it sadomasochism, bondage, strange - fetishes, even abuse, it's "normal" - S/M
        your way off base and don't know what your talking about - New Englander
        Sorry, I must have worded that wrong. I don't - (sm)
        Thanks - no offense taken - New Englander
        Ah ha... - Patty
        So what happened to you? Violated by a priest? - Jess Wonderin'
      - Not to normal people's thinking. - Patty
        Thank you for letting me have a tantrum - here it is - New Englander
        Wow - Patty
        See - that's part of the problem with most organized - religion. It discourages open mindesness.
        No, it's called faith - Patty
        You forgot to add the words, "blind" and "bigoted". - Not a good thing to be faithful to.
        And luckily millions of others believe in marriage for all human kind - New Englander
        The Creator - Patty
        Where you get that idea - - New Englander
        Yah know, I believe there IS something - scholar
        But...........he created homosexuals, too. - And I think he loves them.
      - Sorry bout the two typos - New Englander
        Hon, don't worry about getting your - MTfromLA
        The earth has been "replenished" far too many - times. Another few decades - see msg.
        Sorry to see you still live in the stone age - New Englander
- It's about time! Though it IS a bit embarrassing for - Calif. that a middle-America state beat us to it.

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Wow you were married that young!
That's the crazy thing I read in any of your posts. LOL. Just kidding. Been with my DH since I was 18 but didn't get married until I was 25 and we decided to have kids. Good luck.

I got married when I was 20 years old
I was with my DH for about a year prior to getting married and he and I have been married for over 7 years now. We make a comfortable living. The only thing we owe money on is our house. Doesn't mean I don't sweat this economy since my DH runs a car dealership and car sales are non-existant right now. We will be okay with his annual salary but we were really hoping to get a nice sized bonus check to pay a big chunk of our house down. I guess we will just keep plugging along and hope and pray that the dealership doesn't go under and that sales pick up.

LOL - if they married someone of opposite sex
They woundn't be gay then. HA HA HA

You are "happy for someone" who just got married!
nm

They'll NEVER be really married
as marriage is between a man and a woman. A law doesn't change reality. You can make a law that claims cats are now dogs. But those of us who live in the "real" world know better.

So, if a gay couple gets married...(sm)

exactly how does it affect you? Does it make you less of a heterosexual? Does it make you less of a christian? Does it turn your finances upside down? Tell me, exactly how does it affect you personally?

They also teach about Hitler in school. Does that mean that your children will be like Hitler?

How does a gay couple getting married take away
The are not attempting to outlaw hetero marriage, so how are you deprived of your rights?

Separated, he was still married
That does not make an affair correct. Single ok, divorced ok, widowed ok, separated not so because legally married.

I was married to a chemical engineer. nm
nm.

Obama's parents were never married.
Do I have to do ALL the research around here?

Y'all are so naive!

We will be married 2 years in March
I was 20, he was 23. Got engaged and waited a year before we married. Best decision ever :)

I guess when you know you just know huh?

Make fun of Obama all you want...I ain't married to the guy. sm
But, if you want to know if this cartoon was racist, YES, IT'S RACIST. If it had been about Bush, it would just be disrespectful. These are two TOTALLY different issues. Being disrespectful is one thing...to publish a racist cartoon is a completely different story, especially if you would understand the history of racism in this country. Just totally unjustified as cartoon material; a chimp, when we have a black man for president, and two cops shooting the chimp: pure unadulterated, blatant racism. The NY Post CANNOT / COULD NOT believe they wouldn't get called on this.

So what if you're already married with a child?
Are they just going to uproot you from your life? My best friend is 22 and her husband is 25 (like me and my husband) but she already has a 1 year old. I don't (yet) but we are planning to soon after we get our finances straight.

I think I'm going to go back to my homeland where we love and not fight :) (Call us sissies and we'll kick your derriere!)

If Joe Legal is married and has 2 children
and 2 parents, whom he probably supports, why else did you mention this, anyways, Joe Legal does NOT pay 30% taxes.
After I read this statement, I did NOT continue to read your rant.

Does Joe Legal not get any of his medical expenses paid by the government or his employer? ANY, AT ALL ?

yes, seoparated is still married, no flings allowed...nm
nm

His father was a Kenyan. His mother married an Indonesian man who adopted him. However, no one...s
no matter who adopts you, gives up their US citizenship. Only that person at age 21 can do that. Obama had the choice at 21 to adopt Indonesion or Kenyan citizenship, but he chose to remain an American citizen.

Being married to a Moslem, I find that broad-stroke stereotype
Jihadists are minority political factions that are hated every bit as much by more moderate Moslems as they are by Westerners. The nations where theocracy is the rule do not exactly give them a legitimate avenue for opposition or overthrow as we have here in the US. It is not a whole lot different than fanatical politicized Christian movements that make other Christians cringe every time they spout their racist, bigoted, exclusionary world views. I will not go down the road with you over infidel/sinner/people of the Book and the like. Suffice to say that racism and bigotry is a divisive, destructive and, at times, fatal force that undermines the productivity and cultural integrity in nations of ALL ideologies that harbor it within their borders. US is no exception to this.