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Speaking from the other side of the fence....

Posted By: MT and worn out on 2009-06-05
In Reply to: Child support questions - sm

I have a DH with an ex-wife. She went down every 6 months to get his child support raised. Whether she needed it or not.

All she did was call the caseworker at Friend of the Court (That's what we call it in Michigan). There is a copy of the divorce decree etc on file at the court house.

So I would think that if you called your version of Friend of the Court where you live, they would be able to help you get things rolling. And at no cost either. In fact, they have forms down at our courthouse.

Good luck.



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Put up an electric fence and fry her dogs. Then say OMG, I'm so sorry.

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