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The fence did not cause the dog to die. The owner did by not making sure

Posted By: anna on 2006-11-13
In Reply to: My cousin's dog died because of one. The battery went dead and the dog got hit by a car. Very s - nm. AzMT

the batteries were changed on a regular basis.   The fence and the dog are blameless.  The only one who had any control over the situation dropped the ball....poor dog.


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I would check out Home Depot or Lowes. You can look online and find the prices.
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Long time but (excuse typing, motherboard problems) - having it installed will cost you big bucks. Measure how many 8 foot sections you will need to complete the job, buy a post hole digger, be sure it's okay with your neighbor(s). The "nice" side has to be on their side and you will also need a level to be sure it is even. It's a job for more than 1 person, of course. We could not pay to have it done. Perhaps you could have a "fence party" - depending where you live, you may need to coat the posts for bugs before you bury them, or use steel postss. Hard to tell - depends on area where you live, type of material, wood vs. vinyl, style, etc., cedar or other. Best of luck to you, good fences make good neighbors, etc., also gates are expensive, but you may need to figure one in depending on set-up - installation too expensive, get some friends to help!
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how do you keep your cat in the fenced in yard?
Cost of fence??
Hi. My husband and I are getting ready to buy our first house and would like to know the approximate cost of getting a 6 ft privacy fence. We have absolutely no idea how much something like this costs :) Our new backyard is 85 x 110. I know the cost can vary, but can you please just give us an estimate if we had someone build it and also if we just bought the supplies and did it ourselves? Thanks for any info! 
cost of fence
My hubby is a carpenter as is son. They buy their supplies for fencing through Home Depot or Lowe's or any building supply. I would go on line and Google fences, how to build and that should bring up some sites for building a fence, as to what supplies wood versus vinyl. The cost depends on where you live, as some areas are more expensive than others. I know you can buy directions on web sites on line, as I just ordered a design for a pergola my son is going to build for my daughter. You have to measure where your fence will be, then go to a store or on line. There should be someone at Home Depot or Lowe's or lumbar supply place who can help you. Also, having a company install a fence is much more expensive than doing it yourself. I know this well as my husband and son have put up a few fences. Hope this helps.
Thank you!! And to top it off, they dug holes to get under the fence onto OUR sm
property. There were at least 8 of them. I get sick every time I think about the irresponsible dog owners. The police came out twice and animal control never did show up for the incident. I should sue the city, to be honest. All of our goats were killed. We have 3 small children. Next, and I hate to say it, it could be them. I don't want to sell this place either. We love it out here. I hate being a prisoner on our own property.
Pricing out privacy fence...

When I landed at our place in 2002, I quickly learned I HAD to put up a privacy fence for the safety of my animals as well as the safety of the little kids who visit their grandparents next door, because I found them once too often in the pasture trying to pet the animals, and a hoof to their forheads would have been a very bad thing.


I went to Home Depot and quickly got discouraged at not only the cost of doing it yourself, but the labor and tools required.  I live in New England and the ground is 90% ROCK...try digging a post hole through THAT and have fence posts spaced out appropriately...ain't gonna happen.


So, I called a fence place that was in the phone book.  They came over FOR FREE, measured out what I wanted, sat down with me and a book and showed me what was available, gave me costs, and said "call us when your're ready." 


You bet your bippie I went with the fencing company.  They had 274 feet of 6' cedar privacy fence completely installed in ONE DAY for under $4000 (back in 2003).  They had the guys, the knowhow, and the proper equipment.  I had to go with metal pipes instead of wood poles because our ground is so wet and rocky, and I thought it would be ugly, but it has worked out absolutely wonderfully.  I haven't painted or stained it either, just let it turn that pretty gray that cedar does.


You can see some pictures of it on my website here:
http://www.perin.org/images/specialnelliewinta.jpg 
http://www.perin.org/Webpics/slides/Frogs%20yum.html


Best investment ever...not only for the safety factor, but also for the privacy, as you can see from the photos, even though we have lots-o-land, the neighbors were just too darned close.  Grab your phone book, look up fence installation companies, and at least get those free estimates.    


Put up an electric fence and fry her dogs. Then say OMG, I'm so sorry.

This house has no fence around it at all, to be exact. nm
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My child has been on both sides of that fence (sm)

He has been bullied before but he has gotten really good at standing up for himself.  I literally have given him comebacks that he can use if he is being verbally bullied, and have told him that while he is never allowed to start a fight he is always allowed to defend himself and even though he may get in trouble at school, he will not be in trouble at home.


One time last year (fifth grade) he was verbally bullying a boy in his class.  He said some pretty mean things.  I got the phone number to the boy's house through a mutual friend, called, and then too my son to the boy's house to apologize in person, in front of the boy's parents.  We talked for a long time beforehand about how the boy must feel to have to go to school and have someone say things like that to him, role-playing such as "how would you feel if that was you" sort of thing. He also lost computer priveleges for a week.  He has never bullied anyone else.


However, he did kick a boy in the shin earlier this year when the boy hit him and said he was going to beat him up.  My son is strong but doesn't like to fight.  I think all kids should be able defend themselves if needed though.


Secondary fence for dogs???

Can anyone please point me in the right direction as to how to go about installing a secondary fence/barrier in my yard, what material is best to use, etc.


 My husband and I are trying to avoid spending money we don't have on getting a privacy fence just because our neighbors are idiots and don't feel the need to adhere to the rule of not letting the dogs out at the same time.  We have been in our home for 3yrs now and our dogs have never gotten along. Granted they were here first (as my husband says), but I could care less because our dogs have just aabout that They are rather large dogs, we have two and they have three.  Trying to break the fighting up when it happens is fraught with failure because when they get going its like trying to stop a moving train!


Unfortunately, neither side has the time nor energy to re-train the dogs, so I figure a secondary fence is in order due to the fact that there is already an existing 6ft chain link fence up.  The fence does not belong to us and the neighbors have not taken the initiative to tweak the fence with slats, so it is now left up to us to figure out.  I read that a secondary fence to that portion of the yard is the cheapest, non-permanant thing we could do to solve this problem. 


 


Speaking from the other side of the fence....
I have a DH with an ex-wife. She went down every 6 months to get his child support raised. Whether she needed it or not.

All she did was call the caseworker at Friend of the Court (That's what we call it in Michigan). There is a copy of the divorce decree etc on file at the court house.

So I would think that if you called your version of Friend of the Court where you live, they would be able to help you get things rolling. And at no cost either. In fact, they have forms down at our courthouse.

Good luck.

Cat Owner (lol) here..
She likes to lay under my desk, and once in a while during the day when the kids are at school, she hops up on her hind legs and taps me on the arm with her paw just to say "hey, I'm still alive here, ya' gonna type all day or pet me a while?"  She meows to get my attention.  But then of course, I'd love to be her sometimes.  She can just curl up anywhere, anytime and take a long, long nap!  I'm so jealous!  She wakes us all up in the morning meowing for something to eat.  Poor thing last night...  I poured the milk into her bowl, left it on the counter, and went upstairs to tuck the kids in, and she's just following me to their bedrooms meowing away.  I didn't know what her problem was, and when I went downstairs again, lo and behold I hadn't put the darn bowl of milk down for her.  I wonder if she'll turn me in for abuse?  What a tease that was for her I'm sure.  
Cat Owner
Congratulations on your new "child". I have two cats of my own. It sounds like you have everything set for your cat while you're gone. I do all of the same things, with the exception of the radio/TV. I've left my cats alone for a week at at time for vacations and they do just fine. It's like they get a vacation too, away from my 3-1/2 year old. LOL.
Cat owner
How about feeding him one of the lower calorie/fat cat foods?  You could probably feed him the same amount and he wouldn't be taking in as many calories.  Did you ever try using a laser light?  If he likes it, he'll run up the walls!  Hope this helps.
cat owner
Be sure you don't give him anything with aspirin in it - it is toxic to cats. Not sure about Pepcid but definitely no Pepto-Bismol.
Pet owner poll: sm

Do any of you feel that the monthly one-spot flea and tick preventions are hazardous to your pets' health?


Between my best friend and me, we had 6 dogs.  Since June, 3 of them developed cancers, 2 of whom died.  The common denominator is Frontline.   Her dog was only 4, and my 2 were 10 and 8.   Her dog had a leiomyosarcoma.  Mine had squamous cell sarcoma and the other had undifferentiated giant cell sarcoma.  We both live in Florida where fleas and ticks can be a big problem.


Two other friends claim they don't give their dogs these preventatives because they were told they were poisonous to dogs, the advice coming from holistic vets. 


What are your thoughts and experiences, and where do you live? 


Thanks.


 


gift for owner
How about a pillar candle tied up in tulle with a gorgeous bow? (If you can't make a bow, these are available in stores.) She won't care that you didn't spend a lot, but love you for thinking about her. Or, even less expensive, make her a batch of homemade candy or cookies and present them in a pretty tin - everyone likes to get homemade goodies.
It is my understanding that the owner of the --sm
property has the right to ask anyone to leave. It is their property and they do not OWE you to live there, even if you have been there all your life. If you are paying less rent than the average renter, I can see why he is doing this. You may be a good tenant, but everything, these days, comes down to dollars and cents. He may not have to do too much to "renovate," but he can get a much bigger price in rent. I really don't think you have a leg to stand on and I am sorry for your situation, but the owner can do anything they want to with their property.
A responsible owner would never allow...sm
Their pitbull to wander around public. That is why we have attacks. Owners should be responsible and keep them as well as any dog in a fenced in yard. Or if out in public on a leash. Mine will never be wandering around in public on its own. That is totally irresponsible. If I saw a pitbull out in public I would be cautious myself.
If the owner feels their being there could cause a problem
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Not arguing about the right for a business owner--sm
to refuse service to anyone, but, according to the article I read, OJ and his group came into the restaurant, sat in the back and were not causing a problem. The owner had the problem, as one of the waitresses was *giddy* that OJ was there. He specifically stated he asked OJ to leave because he did not like what OJ had done (in the past). To me, that is discrimination. He was not causing a problem. It was the owner of the restaurant who had a problem. But that is just my opinion.

I just do not think it is right that a place that is *open to the public* can ask someone to leave just because they do not like that person. If OJ had been causing a problem, that would have been different, but he was not. It was all the owners feelings about the man. that's all.

However, this thread is taking an ugly turn and since I have said all I have wanted to say on the subject, I am backing out now. Have a good day.
I am the renter..NOT the owner of the house
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sweet. don't let the owner take him back; he needs you
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SUV owner........last complete fill up was
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TAIB - Owner reply
This is not my company that is being named here - I am the sole owner of TAIB and have been nor plan to be associated with another company.  Our MTs are paid on time and we do not have the problems mentioned in this chain of email.  If Heda would like to contact me for clarification, I would be happy to speak to him/her.  Otherwise I would request an apology - Sincerely, Penny Jackson Pray - Owner of TAIB - Transcription At Its Best, Inc.
NIce, but a little 'scary' if you are not the owner..nm
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? gifts for new puppy owner sm
She just bought a new Springer Spaniel. Would like to make her a little basket and wonder if anyone else has a Springer. I don't like gift cards, too impersonal.
not entirely true - Trump is pageant co-owner. n/m

Point is the owner thinks it's fine so why not?!
Same for dogs or cats or birds or snakes.

Having a pet is a personal choice and it should be kept on personal property or areas specifically designed FOR having pets.

cat owner and just built a house 3 years ago -
I used 2000 sq feet of tile that is mottled with several colors and then 1000 sq feet of teak. I have 4 cats (one Maine Coon who is nearly as big as some dogs!) who are rough and tumble when they play. If I had it to do again I would go with a lighter color of wood floor. Teak is a medium color and does show scratches where it is darker. Just my 2 cents. Good luck. :-)
they interviewed the owner - looks like he "runs" things
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put her in your yard; her owner cannot argue against your action.
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Kitty cat question. I am a first time cat owner and need
She was litter box trained and then started spending more time outside (we live in the country) and stopped using the box. She probably has not used the box in 3 or 4 months. Just going outside. Now last night she went in the floor of my bedroom, and again today!! UGH. Now question - Do I put her litter box in my room in the spot where she went, just for a while and then can I move it. If I cant move it later, I dont want to put it here. Or do I leave the box where it is and put her in it tonight? Or do I leave her out at night? I just dont know what to do. Thanks in advance for any advice.
for blondie and forever pitbull owner

I thought you might like to read the below story.


 


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/27704926?GT1=43001


That guy, the dog's owner, was Marcus Luttrell, a war hero
author of Lone Survivor.  He was the lone survivor of his Navy Seal team on a mission in Afghanistan.  This dog was given to him during his rehabilitation to help with recovery when he came home.  It just makes me sick!
I went to a strawberry pickin' farm Monday. The owner sm
told our large group of homeschoolers (both moms and dads) during our tour that he had to learn the hard way that women make THE GREATEST strawberry planters. He said he hired a bunch of men one year and that was the last time he did that. He said now they are all women - they take their time, take pride in their work, and just do something for the soil where he has huge, gorgeous berries whenever they plant them.  All the women there broke into applause. I thought it was so funny.  I just liked seeing a man actually admit to something like that.....
Time to report the owner to Animal Control if you have a
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Maybe it was the owner's initial? The person who bought the jacket?
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Oh SOOO cute. But please read inside for a warning (I'm a dog owner) sm

Puppies develop habits really quickly, so discourage licking the can thing.  Mine would get cans out of the garbage and one had a cut edge and he terrribly cut his mouth and tongue.  I felt like such a careless dog mom.  A true accident, but now maybe I can help you prevent the same thing?  Please excuse my post... I am not a know-it-all and I actually don't like it when someone posts something lighthearted and then someone (like me) gets kind of off topic in the thread with a reply like this one, but maybe it will help you prevent an accident.  But this is an adorable picture and I love your puppy. 


I think you are making way too much of it.
My BF of 9 years calls me that all the time when, in fact, it just the opposite--he is my "sugar daddy." If he is worth it, just let it go. People are way too sensitive these days about things.
It is almost making me cry as well now.

as time approaches.  I loved that little Tux cat.  I am going to have to get mama cat fixed.  I think this is too hard. 


 


 


If you are not making the $$$ you need
then you double up on jobs, and jobs that will pay, not sitting around waiting on work to come thru. I up until 2004 worked 2 jobs for years and years, for a safety net and both of those would qualify for full time, weekends included. I have now done MT longer than you so I guess I might know jack squat about what I am saying. I never got evicted, never did without food, kept a car, home and everything by myself because I did work so much. Why in the world are you making peanuts working 10-12 hours per day? I know the pay was more years ago, I understand that but if the job is not taking care of your needs, then a person needs to do something else.
Thank you for not making me feel so alone.
Glad your son has quit.

I will have mine read articles and will find pictures on line to show him. I do not think he has a clue as to what can happen to him if he continues this. Like I said he is only 18 and to think about many many years of this is very scary.

He says he wants to quit. I hope he means it and I will help him as much as I can.

I also was surprised by this since he has been so athletic. He always made statements about how he hated the smell of smoke and would never smoke cigarettes. I guess he thinks this is okay and won't do him any harm.

He started over the summer, so I hope it will be easier to quit than to have this go on for years. I will speak to his doctor and dentist also. May be they can help.

Thanks again for your concern. It it good to talk to someone who has been through this. Enjoy the Holidays.
Making candles

I had heard that you can save up the scrap wax from candles in glass jars, melt all of them down and put them back in the containers, adding a wick and scent such as cinnamon.  So, I've been saving my containers with the bits of leftover candles.  Anyone know how one goes about doing this?  Is it possible to do this?


THANKS!


Any parents here making a
to only have one child..? We're seriously considering not having any more..One is PLENTY OF WORK AND LOVE!!

Thanks for making me giggle! nm
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Thanks for making me laugh!
Cute post! Yes, it is yucky, but you made me laugh this morning. Thanks!
Thanks, for making me laugh.
This is so terribly hurtful. I guess you guessed it is my sister. We have had a history of ups and downs our whole life. I am the one to just let the hurt and hard feelings go to try to have peace. I will try to grin and bear it . . showing some teeth at times. Hope I can do it.
Thank you all for making me feel
a little better about this. I would NEVER get rid of my cats. Once an animal comes into my home, it's for life. I would probably send my husband packing before the cats :)
Mine is just making me sad
When I first got my little boy he and his brother could not stay out all night. They wanted to come into my bedroom and jump on me so I gave them their own bedroom. I made sure they had all the catty things little guys need and tucked them in each night with food, litter box, their treats, whatever. They are past that stage and now know how to behave and I leave them to have the house when I turn in for the night. My little boy now sits right outside his old bedroom and meows. He looks under the door - I keep that closed off now after cleaning up after them - but he knows that is where he stayed when just a small guy and he cries. So pitiful!