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gross line perhaps??

Posted By: Patti on 2007-09-08
In Reply to: Confused - siren

Font size makes a big difference when coungint gross line, i.e. using Word line count.  I type in Arial 10 but change font back to Courier 12 when I do my GROSS line count and it makes a huge difference.  Another account wants Times 12 but I count in Courier again -- according to our agreement -- and it makes about 10 to 15% difference depending whether it is chart notes, letters, OP's or what.  But when doing 65 cpl, font does NOT matter as it is counting each and every character and dividing by 65.   Again, I think she did gross lines when doing her line count rather than character counts.   Also there could be a difference if they are not counting for spaces as there are quite a few spaces in a long document.  


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A gross line IS a gross line regardless if it's 90 characters long or 1 character long... SM

I'm very sorry that your lines are 90 characters line and you get paid by gross lines.  You are cheating yourself - that's not my fault.  You cannot change the definition of a gross line.  So I gues I'm not understanding what you are trying to say.  Now if you are trying to say that your line equals 90 characters and that's how you figure your lines, than you are not using gross lines.  You have defined a line to be 90 characters, whereas most MTSOs define a line as 65 characters.  If that is the case, then I must say again, you are cheating yourself.

So which is it, do you get paid by gross lines or by a 90 character line?

Gross line = each line on page counts as a line, even if it's only 1 word. nm
65-gross line vs.65-gross character line

Can someone explain the difference between these two?  I am assuming that the gross line is better than the gross character line.  How much better is being paid by the gross character line than just by the standard 65-character line?  Does anyone know how much difference it would make in dollars and cents?


A gross line is anything on a line is a line. A line set at 65 characters means it sm
has 1-inch margins on each side. The maximum number of characters on that line would be 65 and that includes spaces. If there is 1 character on that line it is a line.

A standard 65-character line usually consists of 65 characters with spaces unless, of course, the employer does not pay for spaces and then it would be 65-characters without spaces.
Gross line means anything on a line is counted as a line.

You can get an idea in the difference using documents you have already created, assuming you're working in Word. Simply open a document and check the properties. Click on the statistics tab and you will see the number of lines as well as characters with and without spaces. If you're currently getting paid by the line and a line is 65-characters with spaces, do the math and see how that number of lines compares with the number of lines in your stats.

One thing to keep in mind: if you have a blank line between paragraphs, instead of hitting the enter key twice, format your document to give the appearance of blank lines between paragraphs.

Gross line, also including blank lines because my line rate is so low. It all works out in the wash.
$.06 gross line / .70 = approximately $.0857 cents per 65 character line.

A gross line is anything on a line versus 65 gross characters per net line the other way.  You make more money working for the gross line than for the 65 gross character line, as long as the line rate's OK.

A gross line is any line with typewritten characters on it - no matter how long or SM
how short.  So your gross lines may be longer than 65 characters, but you get credit even for a line as short as "Sincerely,".  If your gross lines are not being counted that way, then you are not being counted on gross lines and are probably getting screwed.  I'd look into that if I were you.
Yes if gross line or 65 character line with spaces....Good Deal!!! nm
Curious, do most IC's usually charge by the gross line or 65 character line?
Thank you~
What's the diff between a gross line and a 65-char line?

Mebbe just got my first OWN ACCOUNT YAY!  He said to charge him the "going rate" since I pay him that.  This could be the start, baby!  (I hope)

A gross line is any amount of characters on a line

for instance...





A 65 character line without spaces is black marks on the page only and 65 w/spaces is everything... tabs, spaces, numbers, letters, bold, etc.



Gross line versus character line....Sm please

I am thinking of taking a job that pays by the gross line and not a 65-character line.  I have never worked this way.  Does this literally mean if there is one little word on a line you get paid for it?  I have not pinned her down on a line rate but I am just thinking I am going to be comparing apples to oranges and am wondering how to accomplish that. 

Thanks for any help!

gross-anything on line counts as line,even one word
gross line is anything on a line, even just your initials. sm

spaces really don't matter in a gross line count.


But that's a GROSS line, not a 65 character line.
So a newbie would have no problem at all hitting 150 lines per hour.  A gross line is any line with a printed character on it.
Which is better? Gross line or 65 character line? It's
7.5/gross line or 10/65 char line?
Anyone have any idea which would come out to more?  TIA
A gross line may be close to 65 ch.pl but she said line
gross line and character line
I am an IC currently doing one doctor who pays me by the hour but I will be starting another doctor soon and he will be dictating differently so I was going to charge him per line.  What is the difference of charging gross lines or per 65 character line?
Per Gross Line Pay?
Being relatively new to MT, I'm not quite sure what being paid by the gross line is as opposed to being paid by a 65 character line.   Can someone clear me up on this.    Thanks much. 
gross line
I am paid by the gross line whether one word is on it or 10 or 12, the same amount.

If you are paid by 65 character line, you take the characters and divide by 65 or use Sylcount whereas you are can then paid for each keystroke, i.e. capitalization, underline is two characters, etc. YOu have to define what a line is or what a character is.
gross line
Thanks Patti!!
gross line
6 is a good gross line rate when you figure it is equal to at least 8.5 if it were counted at 65 characters, most companies don't want to pay more than 7-8
Gross line
What is a gross line and how is it figured? The contract states 6 cpl for 68 characters. Although, after just speaking with the company, every space, keystroke is counted. Still confused.
Gross line
What is a gross line, and how is it figured?
I saw that it was for gross line but I was getting
Gross line
I do gross lines and if they want a smaller font, I change it back to Courier or Arial 12 and count that way.  I have been lucky as just raised my rates 0.005 to 11.0 but have not raised in the past 4 years.  I do do pick up and delivery as they are still on tapes and told them that with the gas I had to do it.   They had no problem as I am still one of the lowest here in the Portland area.  And, they have been with me from 6 to 18 years my accounts.  But I still go on what I can do in an hour and since I have been doing these docs so long I can make anywhere from 30 to 50 dollars an hour and I think that is a fair rate for me.   I still believe the only ones getting rich in this medical mess is the insurance companies and that was in the news this last week.  Their big profits.  Anyway go with gross line, I still quote it as 65 characters per line which it is but I count by gross and 12 font.    Patti
Gross line

I bill for gross line which means each line counts whether there are 10 words or one word each line counts.  So when I type in a smaller font, there are less lines than in Courier.  I do not take the characters and divide by 65.   Hope that makes sense.  So the smaller font, the less lines.  So when I contract with a client I tell them that my price per cpl it is a 65 character line in Courier font.  If they chose to use Ariel 10, I will type in that for them but the line count is done in Courier or at least Ariel 10. 


gross line - IC -- nm
gross line
Hi, a gross line is a line that is counted if there is even only one character in it, as opposed to the usual line count of having to have 65 characters in it. so, for instance if you have a line that says *1.* and that is all, it is ocunted as a whole line.
Gross line - What does this mean?
What is the difference between regular cents per line and gross line pay? For instance, if a company pays 8 cents per line, what would this be for gross line pay?? Thanks for any information.
gross line here

One account that I inherited told me to count from top to bottom, gross lines and just use microsoft word lines.  Their margins are 1" for chart notes and -- I did not do this they requested, letters/consults 1.45 as it lines up with their letter head.  Count blank lines, etc., was told to do it this way.   But then again I charge .115 per line and type in Times Roman 12.  Again, I figure out how much per hour I make and try to keep my cpl in line with that.   Another account wants chart notes in Arial 10 and I told them when I bid my cpl is for Courier 12 and so I change the file back to Courier 12 when I do my line count for them.  But I do all in gross lines, one word or 10 words all the same price for the line.   I do print and supply all paper except for letter head, pick up and deliver which is all included in my price.  But I make good money and again look at my hourly rate and my monthly receivables to see if it works for me. 


Which is better, 10 cpl 65 ccl, or 7.5 cpl gross line? sm

Gross line is courier new 12, 1-inch margins.  I tried to figure out some kind of formula, but not really sure where to start.

Any input is appreciated.

gross line
Unless your margins are teeny-tiny, that sounds like a really good rate for gross lines.
Gross Line is actually better. sm
Any line with characters is considered a gross line.  You should be fine at 8-8.5.  Some work for 8-8.5 for 65 character line for a company.  However, if this is your own account, you may want to go to 10 cpl.
Definitely gross line or cpl

I never bid per page anymore but by the line.  On a full page you can get anywhere from 50 to60 depending on the font and if you times that by 0.12 it is better pay.  It also depends if you are putting the chart notes consinuously and counting just full pages and not per each patient.  To me $3 per full page is WAY low, I used to charge when first starting out back in --- wow am I old -- 1988 $1.00 -- 10 lines or less, $2.50 half page and $4.00 full page.  Now I am lucky that my accounts all started out with me doing gross lines when it was still acceptable and I continue with gross lines, put patient after patient on sticky paper and just do line counts per Microsoft word.   That is what they are used to and that is one reason my rates are a little lower.  All averages out.  But per page - to me - does go in your favor. 

Good luck and congrats. 


gross line

Not to show my ignorance, but what is a "gross line?"

Gross line
I do gross line and charge 111.5 to 12.5 cpl.
Gross line
I charge by the gross line as that is how I started out and my accounts have been with me for so long that is how we continue.  Yes if there is one word on the line it is counted as a line.  Letters, signature lines count as one line.  Of course I probably charge less than the 65 cpl but I think that it all equals out in the wash. 
Gross line?

I feel silly even having to ask, but what exactly does "gross line" mean?

There is an ad that is saying they pay 7 cents per gross line for 1 job, and 8 cents per 65 cpl (I assume they just mean 8 cpl for 65 characters on this one).  So what is the gross line, and how would the pay compare?


or the 9 cpl is GROSS line.
Even so, that is very low. My guess is they are sending it offshore.
Gross line
Maybe you are being paid $.06 gross line which is definitely more than being paid on a 65 character line.

a gross line is anything sm

typed on a line, no matter how little is counted as a line.   Example.



1.  Abdominal aortic aneurysm.

2.  Diabetes.

3.  Pneumonia.


This would count as four lines and if they counted blank lines it would count as 7.  Most companies that pay on a gross line don't count the blank lines but you can tell how this would add up very quickly.  Back in the early 90s, one of the offices I worked for paid this way and it was possible to literally type 600 lines an hour ESPECIALLY if you were doing OPs because there are so many short headers etc.  Personally I don't really think its a fair way to pay.  I think 65 cpl with spaces is the most fair way to pay.  That way, regardless, a line is a line is a line.

I have also worked by the minute.  The standard way of figuring lines/minutes is they say that one minute equals 10 lines.  Well, if you get a motor-mouth he might dictate 20 lines in a minute.  So thats not fair.  65 cpl is fair regardless of who is dictating.


Do you think 11 cpl for a gross line is asking too much
as an IC in the Metro Detroit area.
What is a 55 char gross line compared to a 65-char line including spaces?
How much is 6 cents per gross line? nm
Paid Gross Line
Paid 0.09 a gross line with Courier 10 and 1" margins. How do you figure this?
Paid Gross Line
I was trying to figure what it would came out to be based on a 65-character line rather than gross.
I did, gross line, and better dictation..nm
65 gross character line

Could someone please explain to me how this works. I have been an MT for 7 years with the same company and have been paid by # of total bytes divided by 72 x 11 cents per line. I am now moving on to a new job which pays by the 65 gross character line and I'm not sure how to figure this out. Would appreciate any help. Thanks so much.