A no brainer for the right-wing fringe.
Posted By: A slam dunk for those of us who live in the real w on 2008-08-29
In Reply to: Interesting summation of both sides.... - ms
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Right wing fringe endorsements. Ask the
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For me, it's a no brainer.
enters into this decision lightly. Unplanned pregnancies are perhaps THE most challenging personal dilemma a young woman can ever face. I would venture to say it is almost NEVER her FIRST choice, so in that respect, abortion is a world of pain which is never negotiated in the same way from one woman to the next. How they view themselves for having made the choice and grieve the loss is something that will haunt them for the most of their adult lives. It is never really far behind them, always in front of them and, at times is carried around 24/7 for days and weeks at a time. Regret...you bet. Self deprecation...of course. Would they like to do it again...never. Would they fight to preserve thier right to choice...probably.
This is a no brainer.
69,456,897 voters gave Obama a nice roomy 7.2% margin of support over McCain and 192-electoral vote clobber. Evidently, they saw something in him that you do not. I am not exactly alone in my opinion that, given the choices we had, he was without a doubt the most qualified of the candidates and had the leadership qualities our country desperately needs and that the voters did not see in McCain, DESPITE his 26 years in office and the GOP's very best Rovian efforts to smear him into the ground.
Yup another no brainer wrote this one too.
I listened to his speech and found it very good. In all fairness I will be listening to McCain's speech with an open mind. I want to hear what he has to say. I'm listening to both sides and taking it all in and then will base my decision.
I get pretty sick of one side making it look like their candidate is the second coming while the other side is whatever. It's all very childish.
you mean left wing....it's a left wing ding website on the messiah....the right wouldn't bothe
Well I have a brain and I'm not voting for McCain. That to me is a no brainer.
I guess I could go and pick out all the negatives about John McCain (there are plenty) while putting Obama on a pedestal and parading him around as though he is the second coming of Christ. For pete's sake. Looks like it took no brains to write this one.
just like a right-wing wing-ding.....
to start name-calling, hmmph
The fringe............ sm
seems pretty large on the internet. "Mainstream media" won't cover this because they have been told not to. Hawaiian authorities are proud of the fact that Barack is the first POTUS supposedly from their state, so of course they are not going to rock the boat. Californian electorates are parties to the suits against Obama. Judges in the lower courts have either been bought or are afraid of what ruling in favor of the plantiffs might do in terms of civil unrest in this country. Like I said, this is bigger than you can even imagine in your wildest dreams and probably bigger than even the mountains of stuff I have seen unearthed.
Lunatic fringe. sm
The Democratic National Convention in Chicago in 1968 was disrupted by Democrats. So what? Events of newsworthy importance have always drawn the lunatic fringe. How do you know the people chanting were Republicans? Did they wear a sign? Did they say they were Republicans? Did they not pass the sniff test to prove they were leftists? What? Do you NOT THINK there are Democrats who don't approve of Cindy Sheehan? My, what a narrow world you live in.
Only the fringiest of the fringe could seriously
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Fringe or not, he'll get attacked for it...
He is pro-life and doesn't condone prostitution, but he'll take contribution money from them? Huh....seems that he is doing now exactly what he said he wouldn't which was taking contributions from special interest groups.
And he aligned himself with Tucker.
I believe he just put the noose around his own neck. :o)
More clueless brain death from fringe.
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Good grief! If you are not a fringe-element
this report does not pertain to you. If you are a conservative, a Republican, or just don't like this administrations policies, the report has NOTHING to do with you! The report is specifically discussing extremist activity. And do not tell me that does not exist. I lost family members in OKC, and I sincerely hope that we never again have a domestic terrorism tragedy.
I think government agencies should be monitoring the activities of extremist groups and those that promote extremist ideology, no matter if they are far right-wing, far lef-twing, Islamic, or Martian. We pay our taxes, in part, so that our government can keep us safe when we drop our children off at daycare and head to work.
I think it is very sad that this is being turned into political fodder by partisan people with agendas to promote. This is a report done to help inform law enforcement agencies so that other peoples' sisters and nephews do have to die.
More musing from the fringe's outhouse magazine rack.
This incredible spew of smoke and mirrors does not effectively argue anything except that it's time for your medications. Let's make this a bit simpler. Go here. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bill+clinton+wiki&aq=f&oq= Conduct Find search and press next a time or two until you get to the surpluse statement that clearly indicates at the end of the Clinton years, the surplus was $559 billion dollars.
From point #1: "Anyone who believes otherwise is a tin-foil hat fringe conspiracist."
Ah, those pinko lefty Presbyterians!!! They hate America,are unpatriotic, traitorous, out-of-touch, terrorists....did I forget anything?
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20060814&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=608140369&SectionCat=&Template=printart
Monday, August 14, 2006
9/11 book from church publishing house causes uproar
Author claims U.S. orchestrated attacks
By Peter Smith
psmith@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal
By Peter Smith
psmith@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal
The official publishing house of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has printed a new book about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that has outraged conservatives in the church and elsewhere.
The book, Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11, written by David Ray Griffin, a professor emeritus at Claremont School of Theology in California, accuses the Bush administration of carrying out the attacks as a pretext for expanding America's demonic imperial power.
Griffin argues, among other things, that the World Trade Center towers collapsed because of secretly planted explosives -- he quotes eyewitnesses who claim that's what it looked and sounded like -- and not because airliners crashed into the buildings, causing fires.
Writers on conservative Presbyterian Web sites have been responding by saying officials of the Louisville-based denomination are out of touch with members and by calling for a boycott of Presbyterian Publishing Corp.
The corporation funds itself from book sales and has editorial independence in deciding what to publish, although its board is elected by the denomination's legislative General Assembly.
But as word of the book spreads, some Presbyterians lament that it comes as the 2.3 million-member denomination struggles with financial troubles, declining membership and a controversial General Assembly vote to open the door to ordaining gays.
It is sad that at this time in the life of our denomination, yet another silly and inflammatory step would be taken by the church's bureaucracy, said the Rev. Michael Walker, executive director of Presbyterians for Renewal, a conservative group based in Louisville.
The Rev. Parker Williamson of the North Carolina-based Presbyterian Lay Committee asked how these wild accusations make it through the editorial process.
Davis Perkins, president of the publishing company, said the book's stances are not those of the corporation or of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).
But in recent written statements, he defended the decision to publish the book, saying it is not an off-the-wall polemic but rather a considered work with 49 pages of extensive scholarly notes.
Perkins said Griffin's claims will not be universally accepted by his readers, but the arguments supporting those claims merit careful consideration by serious-minded Christians and Americans concerned with truth and the meaning of their faith.
The publisher would not say how many of the 7,500 copies of the book have been sold since its publication last month.
The book was published under the corporation's prestigious Westminster John Knox imprint, which produces works on theology and popular spirituality from a range of scholars, including liberal and evangelical Christians and also Jews. It also produces popular works such as The Gospel According to The Simpsons.
But Perkins said such works haven't stirred controversy over whether they reflect the church's official position.
Publishing a range of views is what academic/trade publishers do, he said. The corporation publishes specifically Presbyterian works under a separate imprint, Geneva Press.
Griffin is part of a wider movement whose books and Web sites challenge the official version of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001. Similar claims by University of Wisconsin-Madison instructor Kevin Barrett have brought calls for him to be fired.
In his book, Griffin claims that the U.S. military could have intercepted the four hijacked jets if it had wanted to and that the hijacker accused of slamming an airliner into the Pentagon lacked the flying skills to do so.
Griffin calls on Christians to oppose the Bush administration's foreign policy, just as ancient Christians opposed the Roman Empire. He said that although he doesn't believe in literal evil spirits, such empires have demonic power to do great harm.
Our first allegiance must be to God, he writes. … If we believe that our political and military leaders are acting on the basis of policies that are diametrically opposed to divine purposes, it is incumbent upon us to say so.
Griffin is a member of another Protestant denomination, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). The Presbyterian Publishing Corp. has published several of his books on theology.
Griffin said in an interview last week that for the first year and a half after Sept. 11, he believed the attacks simply were carried out by Arab terrorists angry about American foreign policy. I didn't think … even the Bush administration would do such a thing, he said.
But skeptics of the widely accepted accounts convinced him that the attacks were an inside job used to justify the administration's expansion of military powers and the adoption of the doctrine of pre-emptive war, the basis of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Griffin has written two previous books on this theme under different publishers. The third book seeks to rally church groups into challenging the official accounts.
Griffin said he's heard the recent criticisms from Presbyterians but not from anybody who's actually read the book.
It's remarkable how certain people can be that this idea is wrong, he said.
Reporter Peter Smith can be reached at (502) 582-4469.
More delusions of grandeur from the NCFC (Neocon/femocon) fringe.
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Here we have a fringe flock constituent accusing Colin Powell
with a straight face and seriously expecting us to buy into this psycho-babble. The only people you are scaring with this trash is each other.
Care to post the right fringe rumor rag conspiracy theory link
I am not into solving prevarication puzzles. Further comment might be forthcoming if you spit out precisely what you are trying to say here.
right-wing rags
By right-wing rags I mean publications and internet souces. the complaint was simply that you use these sources as the unassailable factual basis for your claims. My point, as well as several other posters in the past, was that you need to use less partisan sources for the "truths" that you post on this board.
Re: Right-Wing posters - sm
Not all of us are 'all for this pay-my-mortgage idea.'
I'm a conservative Republican and I think it's baloney that people who greedily signed their lives away to buy houses they couldn't afford should get a hand out. Their hand out came when they were allowed to ATTEMPT to pay the mortage they contractually agreed to. If they blew it, tough luck. No hand outs for irresponsible behavior.
I agree that if Uncle Sam wants to cut people checks for 75K, it should be for ALL Americans. And I'd be a danged site more resonsible with that money that these greedy homeowner-overreachers would have been.
Yes. Every bit as screwed up as right-wing
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It is a right-wing blog, sam.
Aren't you the one who always complained about people posting information from blogs? Aren't you the one who dismissed anything posted from blogs as being irrelevant? Can you spell hypocrisy?
Yes she is! These right wing nut cases
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But Democrat, the NYT is left wing. NM
Oh? All I can find is some right-wing OPINION
that he is an athiest. That holds about as much water as the people on this board who said he was DRUNK the other night with O'Reilly.
Show me something factual.
Well here are some thoughts for the right wing bigmouths
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2006/02/spare-us-lectures.html
The left wing media...
has never been shut up. You aren't seriously saying they are, are you? You are kidding, right? I am not being tacky, I am just incredulous that anyone would suggest that the left-wing media's voice could be squelched. Sorry...but that is really funny.
you mean left-wing Nazi's
You know the ones who don't want you to post an opinion if it's something bad about Obama. The ones who will trash Palin for no reason, then when you defend your position you get trashed as well. The ones who spread rumors about McCain/Palin but provide no proof, yet when you submit proof of Obama's shady past your called evil and other things. This happened back in the times of Hitler and some of the democrats are doing it again.
I'm getting really sick of this. I never knew there were so many hateful people who will only respect your opinion if it is the same as theirs.
Looks like the right-wing group is getting a little testy! (nm)
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I don't see see right-wing testy.....I see liberal
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That's not far right wing radical Christians..that's the
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More right-wing propaganda...not buying it! (nm)
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Not a right wing wacko, just supposing what...sm
might have been if McCain had continued his status as a maverick middle-of-the road republican, like CP, instead of caving to the right wing of the party. He probably would not have agreed to run as McCain's VP, but it would have made JM's run more credible. Not that McCain would have asked him either.
You are definitely not a right-wing wacko, oldtimer!
I was not referring to anyone in particular as a right-wing wacko, especially you. In fact, I find your posts to be very thoughtful and intelligent.
Are you what they call a far left-wing
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Majority of 2. Why not organize a new wing
after November, they're going to need some new blood, new direction and a platform makeover.
Well, I'm not right-wing but you're right, Obama
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FOX NEWS is LEFT WING?
OMG! You're kidding, right?????? 
Rediculous .....right wing resources
WorldNetDaily is a for-profit website that provides primarily evangelical-conservative-oriented news and editorials, publishes letters to the editor, maintains forums and conducts a daily poll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily
Conservative Right Wing Republicans
Conservative far right wing republicans make up 25% of the population of the United States of America. They had eight years to rule and now their time is over. I understand how confusing this is that your views and aspirations were not fullfilled or appreciated to be elected for another 4 years. But when you think of the improbability that the views of 25% of the people were represented by the highest office in the world..... really that in and of itself is a miracle and I don't think you fully appreciate how that was a once in a lifetime event.
Now that is novel, a kookie left wing!!!!
Typical right-wing intelligence.
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That's right, JBB...right wing nut jobs blindly
Let them keep blindly following faux news. They think they are patriots? The rest of the country (and the world) think they are JOKES!
The left wing conspiracy...Hehe!
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Yes, this is sad. But hardly the core of *right wing* values. Puleeze. nm
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I was thinking too, that the right wing version of Christianity...sm
does not necessary practice much *tolerance* much less acceptance or embracing of other religions and/or cultures itself. They should expect to get as good as they give.
And from the so called *left wing media* too...nm
And have you read the Republican/right-wing posts?
I'm surprised more of the right-wing MT's haven't brought
all of us, and our careers. (HAVING a career, vs having that career 100% offshored). This is one of the major issues my vote is hinging on this year, because unless we have SOME hope of companies not being given free rein, and in fact INCENTIVES for doing what they're doing, before long MT in America will DRY UP, because none of us will be able to afford any longer to work for what they pay, simply because they can get away with it.
Having a candidate in office who is for reining in this offshoring incentive may not solve the problem, and in fact nothing at all might happen. But if the winning candidate is FOR taxing heavily the MTSOs and other companies whose greed has ruined a good, respectable profession in America, then at least I can get up in the morning the day after the election with some shred of HOPE. If a pro-big-company profits, pro-offshoring candidate wins, there may be no other choice for many of us than to leave the U.S. in search of work.
I am tired of the right wing grasping at straws. (nm)
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Shame on you for spreading right-wing propaganda!
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