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Here we have a fringe flock constituent accusing Colin Powell

Posted By: of being guillible....sm on 2008-10-26
In Reply to: Wow, telling statement at the end of that post sm - MeMT

with a straight face and seriously expecting us to buy into this psycho-babble. The only people you are scaring with this trash is each other.


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same with Colin Powell

It is easy to see that he is heart-sick that his years of service to our nation were in vain because he was pressured into making those untrue statements to Congress.  It is big, sick, industrial machine ruining lives everywhere it plants its massive cloven hoof.


 


what about Colin Powell as VP?
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Come to think of it, Colin Powell might be the
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Was that before or after General Colin Powell
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I don't look to Colin Powell as my "leader"
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And let us not forget....Colin Powell....
believed that same "bad" intelligence and went before the UN to sell it to the world. Surely they do not consider Colin Powell an imbicele...the same Colin Powell who endorsed Barack Obama? Surely NOT. Sighhhhh. So did the senate foreign relations committee, lots of Democrats. Our VP elect also voted for the war resolution. But that is conveniently forgotten in the rip Bush apart effort. These same people who preach unity. Sighhhh.
Colin Powell would get voted in in a heartbeat if he ran.
He would have democratic and republican support.

I wish he would run too!
IMHO Colin Powell isn't a puppet.

Colin Powell interview on Obama
Beautifully stated. See link.
I doubt Colin Powell would ever speak out against this admin.
It's not in his nature to be a whistle blower.

I will say though I have ALWAYS admired him, before he joined the Bush admin. I had great respect for him; in fact, when I learned that he was a republican I was surprised. I felt we had a lot in common politically. While I am a democrat, I consider myself an independent thinker and do not always vote a straight democratic ticket.

I still had respect for him though as sec of state in Bush's admin. It did turn my stomach though when he made the case for this war, I felt he was either being lied to and was falling for it or felt he had to support it because of his political affiliation.

If you've ever heard him speak publically, he's very down to earth and nonpolitical in his nature. Much to be admired still in this man.
Colin Powell....closet democrat...no surprise there...nm

What part of "I am republican first and foremost" (Colin Powell)
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What makes you think Colin Powell would want to be on the McCain ticket?
Colin Powell decided not to run for President of the United States several years ago. Why on earth would he accept an offer to run for Vice President on the McCain ticket? In addition, Powell has adamantly denounced the despicable smear tactics used by the McCain campaign recently.

I find it laughable how quickly the right-wing wackos turn against anyone who makes an educated decision to support Obama.
I prefer watching re-runs of Colin Powell's
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I agree. This is the exact reason why Colin Powell wouldn't run..sm
He didn't want his privacy or his entire family's personal life to be dug up and exploited by the media. He got a lot of respect from me when he chose to protect what was the most important to him...family.
You are just like McCain... accusing others of what YOU do
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With the exception of accusing me of making this a racial issue,

yeah (head dropping), I admit it.  I'd rather love than hate.  I don't own rose-colored glasses or lovebeads, but I may just go and buy some, now that you mention it.  I realize that's not how you prefer to live your life, but if you could just let go of some the anger and hatred, you'd be carrying around a much lighter load. 


RACIAL ISSUE????? This is what you wrote (in case you deny it later again):  Now you are trying to make this a racial issue. Next, you will say more blacks were killed in Vietnam than whites and it was all PLANNED!  What a crock of lumpy brown stuff.


Out of that entire article, you got RACIAL ISSUE??????


Once again, you take something you IMAGINE in that twisted brain of yours, accept it as TRUTH and then ATTACK that fabricated truth, accusing me of saying more blacks were purposely killed in Vietnam, when the thought never crossed my mind.  (Although I DO have to wonder how it got inside YOURS.)


As far as the truth, that's the only thing I DO want:  The truth.  I haven't gotten it from this president and I'm sure as heck not getting it from you and your buds.


Have a lovely evening.


Sheep with flock mentality.
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And the flock will scatter to the 4 winds.
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A couple of facts sure seem to throw JM's flock
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It is all theater for the flock. Bush will cancel elections next. nm
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Who you callin' sheep? WE aren't part of the Obama flock which is why

you blast the tea parties and try to downplay their significance.  The sentiment behind the tea party is that we shouldn't be part of any flock!  We should be thinking on our own.  We shouldn't hide behind party lines and blindly follow our politicians to our ruin, republican or democrat! 


Geez, talk about totally blind.  If it doesn't have a big fat O stamped on it, you won't listen.  Just a bunch of freaking robots.... O rhetoric goes in and nothing relevant comes out!  I thought you lefties were "intellectuals" and "free thinkers."  Now you're just Obama groupies clinging to his empty promise of hope and change!  Grow a brain!  Exercise your brain cells and THINK!


The fringe............ sm
seems pretty large on the internet. "Mainstream media" won't cover this because they have been told not to. Hawaiian authorities are proud of the fact that Barack is the first POTUS supposedly from their state, so of course they are not going to rock the boat. Californian electorates are parties to the suits against Obama. Judges in the lower courts have either been bought or are afraid of what ruling in favor of the plantiffs might do in terms of civil unrest in this country. Like I said, this is bigger than you can even imagine in your wildest dreams and probably bigger than even the mountains of stuff I have seen unearthed.
Lunatic fringe. sm

The Democratic National Convention in Chicago in 1968 was disrupted by Democrats. So what?  Events of newsworthy importance have always drawn the lunatic fringe. How do you know the people chanting were Republicans?  Did they wear a sign?  Did they say they were Republicans?  Did they not pass the sniff test to prove they were leftists?  What?  Do you NOT THINK there are Democrats who don't approve of Cindy Sheehan?  My, what a narrow world you live in.


Only the fringiest of the fringe could seriously
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Fringe or not, he'll get attacked for it...
He is pro-life and doesn't condone prostitution, but he'll take contribution money from them? Huh....seems that he is doing now exactly what he said he wouldn't which was taking contributions from special interest groups.

And he aligned himself with Tucker.

I believe he just put the noose around his own neck. :o)
A no brainer for the right-wing fringe.
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Right wing fringe endorsements. Ask the
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More clueless brain death from fringe.
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Good grief! If you are not a fringe-element
this report does not pertain to you. If you are a conservative, a Republican, or just don't like this administrations policies, the report has NOTHING to do with you! The report is specifically discussing extremist activity. And do not tell me that does not exist. I lost family members in OKC, and I sincerely hope that we never again have a domestic terrorism tragedy.

I think government agencies should be monitoring the activities of extremist groups and those that promote extremist ideology, no matter if they are far right-wing, far lef-twing, Islamic, or Martian. We pay our taxes, in part, so that our government can keep us safe when we drop our children off at daycare and head to work.

I think it is very sad that this is being turned into political fodder by partisan people with agendas to promote. This is a report done to help inform law enforcement agencies so that other peoples' sisters and nephews do have to die.
More musing from the fringe's outhouse magazine rack.
This incredible spew of smoke and mirrors does not effectively argue anything except that it's time for your medications. Let's make this a bit simpler. Go here. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bill+clinton+wiki&aq=f&oq= Conduct Find search and press next a time or two until you get to the surpluse statement that clearly indicates at the end of the Clinton years, the surplus was $559 billion dollars.
From point #1: "Anyone who believes otherwise is a tin-foil hat fringe conspiracist."
Ah, those pinko lefty Presbyterians!!! They hate America,are unpatriotic, traitorous, out-of-touch, terrorists....did I forget anything?

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20060814&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=608140369&SectionCat=&Template=printart



Monday, August 14, 2006

9/11 book from church publishing house causes uproar
Author claims U.S. orchestrated attacks
By Peter Smith
psmith@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal


By Peter Smith
psmith@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal



The official publishing house of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has printed a new book about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that has outraged conservatives in the church and elsewhere.

The book, Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11, written by David Ray Griffin, a professor emeritus at Claremont School of Theology in California, accuses the Bush administration of carrying out the attacks as a pretext for expanding America's demonic imperial power.

Griffin argues, among other things, that the World Trade Center towers collapsed because of secretly planted explosives -- he quotes eyewitnesses who claim that's what it looked and sounded like -- and not because airliners crashed into the buildings, causing fires.

Writers on conservative Presbyterian Web sites have been responding by saying officials of the Louisville-based denomination are out of touch with members and by calling for a boycott of Presbyterian Publishing Corp.

The corporation funds itself from book sales and has editorial independence in deciding what to publish, although its board is elected by the denomination's legislative General Assembly.

But as word of the book spreads, some Presbyterians lament that it comes as the 2.3 million-member denomination struggles with financial troubles, declining membership and a controversial General Assembly vote to open the door to ordaining gays.

It is sad that at this time in the life of our denomination, yet another silly and inflammatory step would be taken by the church's bureaucracy, said the Rev. Michael Walker, executive director of Presbyterians for Renewal, a conservative group based in Louisville.

The Rev. Parker Williamson of the North Carolina-based Presbyterian Lay Committee asked how these wild accusations make it through the editorial process.

Davis Perkins, president of the publishing company, said the book's stances are not those of the corporation or of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).

But in recent written statements, he defended the decision to publish the book, saying it is not an off-the-wall polemic but rather a considered work with 49 pages of extensive scholarly notes.

Perkins said Griffin's claims will not be universally accepted by his readers, but the arguments supporting those claims merit careful consideration by serious-minded Christians and Americans concerned with truth and the meaning of their faith.

The publisher would not say how many of the 7,500 copies of the book have been sold since its publication last month.

The book was published under the corporation's prestigious Westminster John Knox imprint, which produces works on theology and popular spirituality from a range of scholars, including liberal and evangelical Christians and also Jews. It also produces popular works such as The Gospel According to The Simpsons.

But Perkins said such works haven't stirred controversy over whether they reflect the church's official position.

Publishing a range of views is what academic/trade publishers do, he said. The corporation publishes specifically Presbyterian works under a separate imprint, Geneva Press.

Griffin is part of a wider movement whose books and Web sites challenge the official version of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001. Similar claims by University of Wisconsin-Madison instructor Kevin Barrett have brought calls for him to be fired.

In his book, Griffin claims that the U.S. military could have intercepted the four hijacked jets if it had wanted to and that the hijacker accused of slamming an airliner into the Pentagon lacked the flying skills to do so.

Griffin calls on Christians to oppose the Bush administration's foreign policy, just as ancient Christians opposed the Roman Empire. He said that although he doesn't believe in literal evil spirits, such empires have demonic power to do great harm.

Our first allegiance must be to God, he writes. … If we believe that our political and military leaders are acting on the basis of policies that are diametrically opposed to divine purposes, it is incumbent upon us to say so.

Griffin is a member of another Protestant denomination, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). The Presbyterian Publishing Corp. has published several of his books on theology.

Griffin said in an interview last week that for the first year and a half after Sept. 11, he believed the attacks simply were carried out by Arab terrorists angry about American foreign policy. I didn't think … even the Bush administration would do such a thing, he said.

But skeptics of the widely accepted accounts convinced him that the attacks were an inside job used to justify the administration's expansion of military powers and the adoption of the doctrine of pre-emptive war, the basis of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Griffin has written two previous books on this theme under different publishers. The third book seeks to rally church groups into challenging the official accounts.

Griffin said he's heard the recent criticisms from Presbyterians but not from anybody who's actually read the book.

It's remarkable how certain people can be that this idea is wrong, he said.

Reporter Peter Smith can be reached at (502) 582-4469.

More delusions of grandeur from the NCFC (Neocon/femocon) fringe.
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Care to post the right fringe rumor rag conspiracy theory link
I am not into solving prevarication puzzles. Further comment might be forthcoming if you spit out precisely what you are trying to say here.
Colin, not Colon...you must be an MT! Thanks for the laugh..nm!

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Colin said he was given wrong info IT WAS ABOUT OIL sm
You really have to do some research. Absolutely no WMD. Even Palin admitted it's about nation building and energy resources. Dead young people for oil. What a sorry shame. Shame on you republicans!!!
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I saw this last year. It was great. I have always liked Colin, even though I disagreed w/him...sm
I do understand why he left his position. It takes a real con to hold his head high when they know they are lying to you with a straight face.
Powell
I agree. I think he'd win by a landslide, and America would finally have a President with some dignity.  Oh, to dream!! 
Powell

He was never anything but a Dem in my book.  Notice that it was that nasty, ole' George Bush who was the first prez to put a black into such a high level in his cabinet.  And also Condi Rice...  But Bush is way too lib for me, anyway.  But he's right on things I consider important.


I find it amazing that the Dems will defend their party no matter what the scandal, but the Republicans don't.  Rmemeber Mark Foley?  Gone!  His replacement:  3rd mistress, I believe?  How about Ted Stevens?  He needs to GO, and is Republican.  Clinton cheating on Hillary all the time?  I wouldn't condone that from any of them. 


That's my point, and it's the truth.  The politicians work for US, remember?


The show and Powell

I thought the show was wonderful and illustrated very clearly how bits and pieces of intelligence were selected and manipulated and turned into something they weren't.  (They referred to it as a "Chinese menu" that the administration used to pick and choose from.)


I taped this show and watched it a couple times.  As far as Powell is concerned, it did show how Powell's relationship with George Tenet began to disintegrate.


It further showed how Tenet was, at Bush's father's urging, kept as CIA director when Dubya took office, and all the events leading to his resignation.  He was one of Dubya's sacrifical lambs.  I guess Bush thought giving him the Medal of Freedom made up for that.


Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Powell's chief of staff, said that Powell told him, "I wonder how we'll all feel if we put half a million troops into Iraq and march from one corner of the country to the other and find nothing."


Powell said, "I will forever be known as the one who made the case. I have to live with that."  (That made me feel really bad for Powell, who I have always trusted and considered to be an honest, ethical man.  His association with Bush really dragged him down, and his statement about having to live with that just tells me that he's still an honest, ethical man, the kind of man who had a spectacular military career, actually had the guts to go fight in wars himself, someone who truly IS Presidential material, someone who doesn't belong in an underhanded, lying, foolish administration like Bush's.)


The show also pointed out how if you are someone who works for this president and you discover something not right or in alignment with his "plans," if you tell him, you'd better be prepared to resign or be fired. 


This show clearly illustrated how Bush wanted to go to war with Iraq, and all he needed was a reason, even if he had to invent a fictional one.


Again, I thought it was an excellent show, and if you ever have the opportunity to watch it or obtain a transcript of it, I would highly recommend it.


I always admired Powell
There are some people you admire even if their politics are different and it's because they appear to have integrity.  That's what the frothing right-winger(s) on this board don't understand.  It's more about integrity than political affiliation for some of us.  And that's why so many folks don't care for Bush - he had a life-long history of lacking integrity and being publicly mean and petty at times. 
You got that right. Colon Powell could have
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If he had chosen Powell...
all we would be hearing is about how Powell went to the UN and "lied" about the "faulty intelligence" that took us into Iraq. Powell has said that no one lied and it was indeed faulty intelligence and he believed it too...and the same people who are here lauding Powell since he endorsed Obama probably are the same ones who said Bush lied men died. Opinions are based totally on what side of the political fence someone is presently standing on. LOL. Sigh.
Here's a few more republicans besides Powell
1. William Buckley, III
2. Susan Eisenhower
3. Julie Nixon Eisenhower
4. US Senator Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)
5. Former Rep Jim Leach (R-Iowa)
6. Former Bush White House intelligence advisor Rita E. Hauser
7. Governor Linwood Holton (R-Virginia)
8. Former LA Mayor Richard Riordan (R)
9. Bill Ruckelshaus, appointed first chief of the EPA in 1970 by President Nixon, appointed acting director of the FBI in 1973 and later named deputy U.S. attorney general. He resigned rather than obey an order from Nixon to fire the Watergate special prosecutor, Archibald Cox. In 1983, Ruckelshaus was appointed interim director of the EPA by President Reagan.
10. Douglas Kmiec, co-chairman of Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign’s Committee for the Courts and the Constitution; worked in the Reagan Justice Department.
11. Mayor Ed Koch of New York, formerally endorsed Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg for Mayor, AL D’Amato for U.S. Senate, George Pataki for Governor, and, in 2004, George W. Bush for President of the United States.
12. Retired four-star Air Force General Merrill “Tony” McPeak, served in the Air Force for 35 years. Former member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, served as co-chairman of Oregon Veterans for Bush something he would later call an enormous mistake.
13. Donald Capoccia Vice Chair, US Commission of Fine Arts
14. Jackson M. Andrews, Republican Counsel to the U.S. Senate. Republican nominee, U.S. Senate from Kentucky.
15. John Martin, Founder of RepublicansForObama.org
16. Richard J. Schwartz, Chairman, New York State Council on the Arts
17. Todd Garrett, retired Senior VP and CIO of the Procter & Gamble Company
18. Richard B. Stewart, Assistant Attorney General for Environment and Natural Resources
19. Jim Whitaker, Fairbanks, Alaska Mayor
20. Ambassador Thomas Graham Jr., Executive Chairman of Thorium Power Ltd.

Collin Powell........sm
has been hoodwinked, just like so much of America who has put on the blinders when Obama is the subject for discussion. I don't believe that Powell is necessarily a fool, but I do believe he has been fooled.


If it was McCain and Col. Powell
I would have probably voted for Powell. If it was McCain and Rice, I probably would have voted for Rice. But Obama? WHO IS HE, REALLY! I know nothing about him. I do not trust him at all, ESPECIALLY since now our new treasury guy is in office. Soooo, can I use Turbo tax and kinda of fudge my taxes and not pay for some things and then state, "Oh, I am sorry, I guess I do not know how to use Turbo Tax." You know it and I know it that I would be thrown in jail. But this? A guy who is now running our treasury department? There are higher ups now, newscasters, Jim Cramer on Mad Money and so many others who are not pleased with the new treasury guy let alone Obama's stimulus package. I even heard almost half the Democrats, are not to thrilled with his stimulus package.

Nope, DO NOT trust our new president at all. I wish we could have had future presidents take a mental exam. Sorry, I really, REALLY wanted our new president to the best for this country. We are all in the same boat, but I choose not to sink in the same boat.
If McCain had chosen Powell for VP...sm
the race would be a LOT closer right now. Stupid choice John.
You must be thrilled that C. Powell has relegated SP's SNL flop
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Exactly. The real Obama himself. I thought Powell
was to be picked for something by Obama since Powell endorsed Obama.  Waiting to see where Oprah fits in this too.  Already picking shady characters for his team and more liberals.  Partisanship, my ....
Powell WMD speech 'lowest point in my life'

Former aide: Powell WMD speech 'lowest point in my life'






Tuesday, August 23, 2005; Posted: 10:44 a.m. EDT (14:44 GMT)






 
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell presents the case that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction in 2003.

(CNN) -- A former top aide to Colin Powell says his involvement in the former secretary of state's presentation to the United Nations on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was "the lowest point" in his life.


"I wish I had not been involved in it," says Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, a longtime Powell adviser who served as his chief of staff from 2002 through 2005. "I look back on it, and I still say it was the lowest point in my life."


Wilkerson is one of several insiders interviewed for the CNN Presents documentary "Dead Wrong -- Inside an Intelligence Meltdown." The program pieced together the events leading up to the mistaken WMD intelligence that was presented to the public. A presidential commission that investigated the pre-war WMD intelligence found much of it to be "dead wrong."


Powell's speech, delivered on February 5, 2003, made the case for the war by presenting U.S. intelligence that purported to prove that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Wilkerson says the information in Powell's presentation initially came from a document he described as "sort of a Chinese menu" that was provided by the White House.


"(Powell) came through the door ... and he had in his hands a sheaf of papers, and he said, 'This is what I've got to present at the United Nations according to the White House, and you need to look at it,'" Wilkerson says in the program. "It was anything but an intelligence document. It was, as some people characterized it later, sort of a Chinese menu from which you could pick and choose."


Wilkerson and Powell spent four days and nights in a CIA conference room with then-Director George Tenet and other top officials trying to ensure the accuracy of the presentation, Wilkerson says.


"There was no way the Secretary of State was going to read off a script about serious matters of intelligence that could lead to war when the script was basically un-sourced," Wilkerson says.


In one dramatic accusation in his speech, Powell showed slides alleging that Saddam had bioweapons labs mounted on trucks that would be almost impossible to find.


"In fact, Secretary Powell was not told that one of the sources he was given as a source of this information had indeed been flagged by the Defense Intelligence Agency as a liar, a fabricator," says David Kay, who served as the CIA's chief weapons inspector in Iraq after the fall of Saddam. That source, an Iraqi defector who had never been debriefed by the CIA, was known within the intelligence community as "Curveball."


After searching Iraq for several months across the summer of 2003, Kay began e-mailing Tenet to tell him the WMD evidence was falling apart. At one point, Wilkerson says, Tenet called Powell to tell him the claims about mobile bioweapons labs were apparently not true.


"George actually did call the Secretary, and said, 'I'm really sorry to have to tell you. We don't believe there were any mobile labs for making biological weapons,'" Wilkerson says in the documentary. "This was the third or fourth telephone call. And I think it's fair to say the Secretary and Mr. Tenet, at that point, ceased being close. I mean, you can be sincere and you can be honest and you can believe what you're telling the Secretary. But three or four times on substantive issues like that? It's difficult to maintain any warm feelings."


Colon Powell endorses Barak Obama. nm
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