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Article on Chavez and oil to American poor

Posted By: gt on 2005-08-25
In Reply to: Details please. I haven't heard about this - Reality Check

There are a few articles that I have read on this..here is one that originated from Reuters. GT

Wednesday, August 24 2005 @ 08:06 PM MDT

Chavez Offers Cheap Gas To Poor In U.S.

Published on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 by Reuters

By David Pace

HAVANA, Cuba - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline.

Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez "We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba.

Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States.

The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America.

Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.

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Thank you Mr. Chavez - gt
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Chavez oil versus American fat cat oil companies

Article from Juan Gonzalez, a NY Daily News columnist, RE: Hugo Chavez and his oil versus American oil companies:

Oil fat cats vs. Hugo Chavez

I pulled into the Mobil gas station on 11th Ave. in Manhattan yesterday for my weekly stickup from the oil companies.

Their take this time was an astonishing $3.05 per gallon for premium unleaded.

"Every three or four days the price goes up," said Patel, the man in charge of the station. "Lots of complaints from my customers."

Complaints from everyone except oil executives.

Last year, Exxon/Mobil, the world's largest corporation, posted the highest profits of any company in history - more than $25 billion. The oil giant, based in Irving, Tex., is on track to shatter that mark this year, with revenues that now approach $1 billion per day.

Which brings me to Pat Robertson and Hugo Chavez.

Robertson, the right-wing evangelist and friend of the Bush family, publicly called this week for the U.S. government to kill - or at least kidnap - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

"This is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us badly," Robertson said. His less-than-Christian remarks ignited an outcry and forced him to issue an apology of sorts, though he still insisted that he had at least "focused our government's attention on a growing problem."

That "problem," quite simply, is that Chavez, a radical populist who has been voted into office repeatedly by huge majorities in his own country, controls the largest reserve of petroleum outside the Middle East.

Neither Robertson, nor former oil executives George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice, nor their buddies at Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, etc., are happy about all this.

Even more scandalous for Big Oil, Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall not to fatten his own country's oligarchy but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and help neighboring countries.

Yesterday, while Robertson was issuing his half-baked Chavez clarification, the Venezuelan president was in Montego Bay, Jamaica, where he announced a new oil agreement with that country's prime minister, P.J. Patterson.

Under the agreement, Venezuela will supply 22,000 barrels of oil a day to Jamaica for a mere $40 a barrel. That's far lower than the current world price of about $65 a barrel. With the price of gasoline in that destitute nation already more than $3.50 a gallon, the Chavez plan means more than half a million dollars a day in savings for Jamaica on oil imports.

Chavez also announced his government will provide $60 million in foreign aid to Jamaica and finance the upgrading of that country's oil refineries.

The agreement is part of a broader Chavez plan called Petrocaribe, which he unveiled at a Caribbean summit in Venezuela last June.

At that conference, Chavez offered the same kind of deal to the leaders of more than a dozen other neighboring nations, including Dominican Republic President Leonel Fernandez and Cuba's Fidel Castro.

Fernandez jumped at the offer because his government is nearly bankrupt from oil prices. Last year, the Dominican Republic spent $1.2 billion on oil imports; this year, it expects to fork out more than $3 billion. The price of gasoline in Santo Domingo has zoomed past $4 a gallon in recent days.

Pat Robertson looks at Chavez and sees a devilish danger. He wants our government to "take him out." Over at the White House, Bush and his aides may use more restrained language, but their goals are not much different.

But there's a whole different view down in Latin America, where a half-dozen nations have seen liberal and populist governments swept into office in recent years.

Down there, Chavez has become the new miracle man of oil. Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats, who wallow in their record profits while the rest of us pay, Chavez is spreading the wealth around.

A dangerous man, indeed.

American Conservative article

Current Issue

November 20, 2006 Issue
Copyright � 2006 The American Conservative

GOP Must Go

Next week Americans will vote for candidates who have spent much of their campaigns addressing state and local issues. But no future historian will linger over the ideas put forth for improving schools or directing funds to highway projects.

The meaning of this election will be interpreted in one of two ways: the American people endorsed the Bush presidency or they did what they could to repudiate it. Such an interpretation will be simplistic, even unfairly so. Nevertheless, the fact that will matter is the raw number of Republicans and Democrats elected to the House and Senate.

It should surprise few readers that we think a vote that is seen�in America and the world at large�as a decisive �No� vote on the Bush presidency is the best outcome. We need not dwell on George W. Bush�s failed effort to jam a poorly disguised amnesty for illegal aliens through Congress or the assaults on the Constitution carried out under the pretext of fighting terrorism or his administration�s endorsement of torture. Faced on Sept. 11, 2001 with a great challenge, President Bush made little effort to understand who had attacked us and why�thus ignoring the prerequisite for crafting an effective response. He seemingly did not want to find out, and he had staffed his national-security team with people who either did not want to know or were committed to a prefabricated answer.

As a consequence, he rushed America into a war against Iraq, a war we are now losing and cannot win, one that has done far more to strengthen Islamist terrorists than anything they could possibly have done for themselves. Bush�s decision to seize Iraq will almost surely leave behind a broken state divided into warring ethnic enclaves, with hundreds of thousands killed and maimed and thousands more thirsting for revenge against the country that crossed the ocean to attack them. The invasion failed at every level: if securing Israel was part of the administration�s calculation�as the record suggests it was for several of his top aides�the result is also clear: the strengthening of Iran�s hand in the Persian Gulf, with a reach up to Israel�s northern border, and the elimination of the most powerful Arab state that might stem Iranian regional hegemony.

The war will continue as long as Bush is in office, for no other reason than the feckless president can�t face the embarrassment of admitting defeat. The chain of events is not complete: Bush, having learned little from his mistakes, may yet seek to embroil America in new wars against Iran and Syria.

Meanwhile, America�s image in the world, its capacity to persuade others that its interests are common interests, is lower than it has been in memory. All over the world people look at Bush and yearn for this country�which once symbolized hope and justice�to be humbled. The professionals in the Bush administration (and there are some) realize the damage his presidency has done to American prestige and diplomacy. But there is not much they can do.

There may be little Americans can do to atone for this presidency, which will stain our country�s reputation for a long time. But the process of recovering our good name must begin somewhere, and the logical place is in the voting booth this Nov. 7. If we are fortunate, we can produce a result that is seen�in Washington, in Peoria, and in world capitals from Prague to Kuala Lumpur�as a repudiation of George W. Bush and the war of aggression he launched against Iraq.

We have no illusions that a Democratic majority would be able to reverse Bush�s policies, even if they had a plan to. We are aware that on a host of issues the Democrats are further from TAC�s positions than the Republicans are. The House members who blocked the Bush amnesty initiative are overwhelmingly Republican. But immigration has not played out in an entirely partisan manner this electoral season: in many races the Democrat has been more conservative than the open-borders, Big Business Republican. A Democratic House and Senate is, in our view, a risk immigration reformers should be willing to take. We can�t conceive of a newly elected Democrat in a swing district who would immediately alienate his constituency by voting for amnesty. We simply don�t believe a Democratic majority would give the Republicans such an easy route to return to power. Indeed, we anticipate that Democratic office holders will follow the polls on immigration just as Republicans have, and all the popular momentum is towards greater border enforcement.

On Nov. 7, the world will be watching as we go to the polls, seeking to ascertain whether the American people have the wisdom to try to correct a disastrous course. Posterity will note too if their collective decision is one that captured the attention of historians�that of a people voting, again and again, to endorse a leader taking a country in a catastrophic direction. The choice is in our hands.

November 20, 2006 Issue

Good Article. The American Cancer Society sm
is also advocating national health care as are a lot of medical organizations. They see the problems with the current system every day and know things cannot continue as they are.

Larger-Than-Life Corporate Salaries are Unfair to Average American Workers. see article.

Commentary: Larger-Than-Life Corporate Salaries are Unfair to Average American Workers

Date: Friday, April 14, 2006
By: Judge Greg Mathis, BlackAmericaWeb.com

Despite slower-than-anticipated growth and lower-than-expected profits, many corporations have generously rewarded their leaders, while simultaneously reducing lower-level staff salaries and benefits in an attempt to control costs. This disturbing practice only serves to further widen the gap between America�s wealthy few and its working class and clearly demonstrates just how little this country values its workforce.

At a time when most American workers are struggling to make basic ends meet and worrying how they�ll manage to save enough for retirement, many of this country�s corporate chief executives are stuffing their pockets with larger-than-life compensation packages that include high base salaries, stock options and ample pension plans. In 2004, the average chief executive�s salary at a large company was more than 170 times that of the average worker�s pay. Last year, executive salaries grew 25 percent, while that of the average American worker grew only 3.1 percent.

Even when a company struggles, their CEOs are still rewarded. For example, the current CEO of a global manufacturing firm received over $11 million in compensation last year, despite the company�s $3.4 billion revenue loss, an 11-percent drop in stock value and a staff reduction of 17,000 workers. There are similar stories at corporations across the country. While worker pensions are frozen and many are asked to do without raises, CEOs manage to earn their multi-million dollar bonuses.

It�s no surprise that CEOs are cleaning up. Consider this: Corporations often use compensation committees to set their executive salaries. Many of these committees use outside consultants to help guide the process. These consultants are often already contracted to do other work for the company. The conflict of interest here is obvious: The consultant won�t upset the CEO -- and risk losing other contracts -- by setting a more realistic, performance based pay model.

Many corporate CEOs are, in short, getting over, and it is a slap in the face of every American worker. While it is understood that executive salaries would greatly exceed that of the average worker�s, there is no logical argument to explain why the growth rate between the two is so dramatically different. To protect its workforce, corporate America must ensure worker�s salaries grow at rates that keep pace with the cost of living, while slowing the rate of growth of CEO salaries. Corporate boards must stop rewarding CEOs with multi-million dollar bonuses. It is unacceptable for a company to lay off thousands of workers and then turn around and pay an executive for a job well done.

As a country, we often ask our government to think about the needs of the average American, and rightly so. However, if America is to truly prosper, the corporations that feed our local economy must also consider and respect the well-being of average worker.

---

Judge Greg Mathis is national vice president of Rainbow PUSH and a national board member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

Poor, poor MT. She can't pick a fight with anyone on her own board tonight and must come here to

Poor Poor Rush. Hey, how is AIR AMERICA
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I was brought up Buy American made products, keep American jobs.
Always bought American made cars and bought products from companies where my family was employed. Now look at America? We are definitely connected all around the world.

My feeling? Obama states he wants to start from the poor upward. Not the other way around like it has been for quite awhile. That to me does not necessarily mean just in America, but around the world by taking the poorest countries and working upward so America's pay wages and everything else will be so low and comparable to the poorest countries. After all, we are now connected together.

Cannot wait to see what will happen with the Swine flu this fall with the second wave and what it will do to the economy of all the countries combined at once.

Thank you Mr. Chavez
What a sorry state America is in when we have people scrounging around to try to fill up their cars to get to work and this winter people will be going broke just to stay warm and Bush does not offer any help, like maybe capping gas prices or releasing some gas from the reserves, yet, here we have a socialist leader, Chavez, offering to help the low income Americans with cheap oil. Is this screwy or what? Chavez is caring more about the downtrodden of America than our elected servant.

Chavez

Just imagine what COULD happen, though.

Chavez could take a good long look at all the problems with America that you have listed, decide that Bush is an evil, greedy tyrant, declare war on the USA to free us of this tyrant, with the promise of free medical care for all, no more homeless people, no more street crime, no more children being brutally molested and murdered, no more starvation for the poor, reasonable gas prices, etc., etc., etc.

He could invade and occupy the USA, killing some innocent Americans, destroying our water supply, taking out our electricity, terrifying us all while he does it, turning our streets into IED targets, and do it with most of the world disapproving of such an action.

Sure is a good thing we don't live in a world where one president can actually to do such a thing, right??? RIGHT????!!!

Chavez
I know, was really happy when I read about it. Did you see his picture? Sad and... But no, I don't think it is the end for him. He has a few more years as President? Dictator? and there is a lot he can still do. He is a crazy man with too much power on his hands. Let's just hope for the best and enjoy the victory in the meantime.

chavez threat
There have been many arrested over the past few years for just voicing threats that were meaningless, not like Robertson broadcasting all over the world about assassinating Chavez. That most certainly is a crime. You cannot threaten leaders of other countries, especially in a forum like Robertson has.

One more thing about Chavez.
I will never forget MANY moons ago when I was in junior high school and learning about different kinds of governments in my Social Studies class. I remember secretly thinking to myself that socialism seemed like the fairest kind of government. Of course, I could never VERBALIZE that sentiment since we were still engaged in the *Cold War* at the time, as well as on the heels of the McCarthy era, and anyone expressing such a view was automatically labeled a *Communist*. LOL. In fact, this is the first time in my entire life I've ever shared these views with anyone. I grew up actually believing I was a horrible person for thinking what I thought and was very ashamed of it until lately.

Chavez has a lot of admirers. sm
It wasn't that long ago on this very board that he was spoken of very highly.

Any child born to American parents is an American -
I am sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you - any child born to American parents is an American even if they are born overseas. The birth has to be registered with the United States, but they are still an American even if they are born in the foreign hospital.

I have 2 cousins who were born in Japan and they have no problems at all being "American".

FYI-Chavez not dictator??? Venez's..sm

saw some thread either here or there (another board here) where someone challenged Chavez and said he is not a dictator....well, the middle class and upper class are leaving in droves....watch this from 2 days ago...(and I know they began leaving 8-10 years ago coming here to the states).

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=71705&videoChannel=2602

President Chavez offered to help America's
poor purchase oil at affordable prices while Bush's cronies are enjoying skyrocketing profits as a result of price gouging. I've heard some poor people say that Chavez cares more about them than Bush does. Who can possibly argue with that?

Chavez lost a lot of credibility with his UN antics...sm
Even in the most democratic circles, which I travel in. He made a mockery, not of Bush, but himself. Anything credible he had to say went out the window with *smells of sulfa.*

I agree with JDH, once I determine a person is a whacko I don't put much stock in what they have to say.

I'm ecstatic-CHAVEZ was defeated yesterday!!

http://voanews.com/english/2007-12-03-voa7.cfm

Venezuela Rejects Constitutional Changes
By Brian Wagner Caracas 03 December 2007

Venezuelan voters have rejected a sweeping constitutional reform project launched by President Hugo Chavez. In Caracas, VOA's Brian Wagner reports opposition leaders see the vote as a major blow to the president's efforts to impose socialist changes.

(more info at above link)

Poor, poor Obama......sm
and I bet you don't think that huge press conference, surrounded by the adoring media masses, pandering to poor me (O) being taken advantage of....you don't believe that was political grandstanding?

Tsk tsk.

Chavez Takes Bush to Task Over Iraq War
See link

Not to mention, Chavez blasting the US over Iraq on the floor of the UN...nm
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Reasons Why Chavez Is Up For Noble Peace Prize

An article published in VHeadline.com on November 26
last year, headlined Venezuela's President Hugo
Chavez Frias proposed for the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize aroused great interest

Since that piece was published, Chavez has continued
his humanitarian projects, the most recent of which
are extending Mission Miracle in alliance with Cuba to
correct blindness and sight disorders to the whole of
the American continent, including the US and the
Caribbean. He has also offered crude oil, gasoline and
heating oil at preferential, financed rates to smaller
Caribbean countries, as well as Uruguay and Paraguay
which are struggling with the sky high price of
energy.

The improvement in cash flow of these countries
generated by the financing aspect at 1% per year,
allows their governments to use this surplus to invest
in social programs.

This initiative has also taken into account poor
communities, schools, hospitals, old peoples homes
facing a predicted brutally cold winter in the United
States ... part of this program includes donations of
heating oil as well as financing part of the
deliveries from CITGO, a 100%-owned US-based
Venezuelan company based in Houston with 8 refineries
delivering to over 14,000 gasoline stations. Pilot
projects will be underway in Chicago and Boston as of
October 14.

As per the Nobel Peace Prize website the 2004 winner
was Wangari Maathai of Kenya for her contribution to
sustainable development, democracy and peace.

If these three qualities are key to winning the Nobel
Peace Prize then Chavez has all these in abundance ...
and more. He must be the world's leading democrat
having been to the polls 9 times since 1998. He
promotes peace by asking for troops out of Afghanistan
and Iraq, so that these sovereign nations can exercise
self-determination and define their own path in the
future.

Other accomplishments, which have been pushed by
Chavez' personal leadership in Venezuela are the
Social Missions, all grouped under the humanitarian
banner of Mision Cristo (Christ's Mission). The most
important of these, Mision Robinson has taught 1.4
million Venezuelans to read and write; Mision Barrio
Adentro (Neighborhood Within) offers free primary
healthcare in the poor areas and is now reaching 14
million Venezuelans out of a population of
approximately 25 million; Mision Mercal sells cheap
staple foods and has impacted more than half the
population at the time of writing.

Chavez, however, is up against some very stiff
competition including Colin Powell (for his efforts to
end the 21-year civil war in Sudan); the ex-governor
of Illinois, George Ryan (for his campaign to abolish
the death sentence in the US); Israeli Mordechai
Vanunu (for denouncing the existence of nuclear
weapons in his country); the Japanese Hidankyo group
(survivors of the US' atomic bombs dropped on
Hiroshima and Nagasaki).

Each brown place in the link takes you to a different article that supports this article...nm
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So does someone's comment at the end of the article, discredit the whole article??
Unbelievable.

Poor man
That poor man, what he went through..I dont know how he survived.

The poor just need to die, right?

I don't know where you live, but where I live, you are better off working. Clinton cut welfare down to a pittance - 40 hr work week for $123 per week. Kids get Medicaid. Ah, can't forget the food stamps - must begrudge these sloths food!

In Nazi Germany, the Jews cooperated in their own destruction; the Nazis found a form of defection that looked to desperate Jews like cooperation, and they boarded the cattle cars. The message of the Contract Republicans seems also to be that the only cooperation we seek from the desperately poor is that they vanish. The message is that we do not care how they do it: die, leave or metamorphose into something else; just don't disturb us on your way out.

I know what it's like to be poor.....
I know what it's like to consider paper towels a luxury. Where Banquet salsbury steak, macaroni and cheese, hotdogs, rice and oatmeal was all I could afford to eat. I see that again in my immediate future due to job loss and illness in my family. If I'm in that 30%? So be it. We'll make it. We always have. I just refuse to worry about it.

Poor kid, he is confused, isn't he?

Poor people are not the only ones
so blaming obesity on the left IS the joke. Rush isn't poor is he? What about Cheney and Rove? I am well aware of the report he was referring to (I read it too) but describing *bloated tummies* and Unicef is sick and I don't see how anyone can call it satire. Further, what difference would it make if the link worked? You jumped to his defense without even knowing what the article said.

Poor Hillary

So Bill is now coming out saying people are picking on Hillary.

Oh the poor baby. Wasn't she the one who said "If you can't stand the heat....."

Whether I like her or not is besides the point. This is an election and Bill & Hillary need to realize if you want to win you have to work towards it. It's not going to be handed to you.

Yes, I realize she is working hard, but so is Barack Obama. Do you hear him crying when she makes a racial statement about him about how nobody "white" is going to vote for him?

Grow up Bill & Hillary!

And a poor one at that. It bombed.

Poor Judgment
Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

It was the OP who said poor were unintelligent, not me....
I was quoting her. It is ridiculous to state something like that. The best people I know never went past high school and are the smartest people, rich in common sense, I ever hope to meet. Sometimes the best knowledge does NOT come from a book.

Your grampa and hootsy comment is just nasty. I have heard every debate, I watch Obama every time he is on the tube, and he is the master at dodging questions. He never gave an interview to anyone who would ask him hard questions until last month and he has been at this for a year and a half. But you never hear Obama followers say that. Because whatever he says, even if it is beating around the bush, he says the magic words I will punish the rich and give all of you in the middle class a tax cut...and that is all they want to hear. Democrats have been saying that same old stuff for years...when in the past were you much better off than you are right now?

I am actually better off financially now than I ever have been. I have survived both Republican and Democrat administrations and just worked my way up to where I am. I am not rich, but I am comfortable. And Obama is intent on taking that away from me. Don't expect me to be happy he is doing it, or that you are helping him do it. lol.

Have you always been this hateful toward the poor?
such hostility toward the working class you so strongly assert to be defending is dead-end dialog. That 95% IS the "working class", as you call them. I prefer the term income earners. If you had any clue about the true state of this economy, you would realize that not only is the 95% tax cut feasible, it is exactly what we need and it will be coming at exactly the right time when we all need it the most.

I do not live in a universe where taxpayers line up and bend over while they bail out corporate welfare deadbeats and turn a blind eye on themselves and their children. It must be a very dark world you come from where you seem to thrive on the energy it takes to sustain such hatred in your heart for the poor. My sympathies.

Poor is subjective
My mother made less than 10 an hour, raised two children on her own, managed to pay a house note (the house was falling apart but it was ours), pay for a piece of an automobile to get her back and forth to work. We didn't have anything to speak of, but she never took a penny from the government. She wasn't raised that way and it hurts her to this day to watch all those that now live in her neighborhood on HUD, paying as little as they can get by with, when they still bring in more than her.

Her total income for the year is LESS than 12 thousand a year and she still manages to pay her bills. But those neighbors manage to get all the freebies and extras courtesy of my mom while she watches the nice cars in front of their HUD houses, which she can't afford, nice clothes they wear, jewelry hanging all off their necks and arms. Their kids are walking around with EXPENSIVE clothes on their butts and walk the streets up and down, up and down all day long. They are LAZY. THey have been raised to be LAZY. In this day and time it is sad to know there are those adults out there that continue to raise their children to believe they are "entitled". So very sad.

In these cases, they are not poor, but the government would consider them "poor", even though they have more than my mother, who can't get help at all. Now you figure that one out.

And, the one who gets the HUD house lets everybody and his brother live with them, free of charge of course, so it's like one big 'ole party all the time....music blaring, sick disgusting rap crap, throw their trash in the streets, filthy mouthed. It's sickening.

Poor doesn't always equate with lazy. You're right and I hope your daughter can do better somehow. Her husband should be forced to pay for his child and his fair share and she would not have this problem.

Maybe she should get in touch with all those neighbors around my mom. I'm sure they know the system so well they can tell how her to manipulate the system to get whatever she wants.

Poor Joe the Plumber is going to have
to worry about paying taxes. Turns out he doesn't have a plumber's license nor does his employer which is required by the county. No license, no work, no taxes. Poor Joe.

Isn't the poor the ones that get the welfare now?
So what's your complaint? You think they need more? Fine, give them everything you have and we'll call it a day!

They are both in very, very poor taste and should be
taken down. It is truly amazing what some people will do.

That poor man wasn't even...

...technically an "employee." He was a temp, so I guess he wouldn't even get life the insurance benefits that an employee might get.

I hear how the poor are
tumors living off the lifeblood of hardworking Americans. Throw all the immigrants out. But, you berate a woman, who out of obvious desperation poisons herself, because she cannot see her way out of pregnancy. Talk about double standards. You probably support the death penalty, too.

Poor baby...(sm)

Using the term "teabaggers" is rude? I shouldn't ridicule others with different beliefs? Give me a break. You guys have consistently ridiculed anyone who agrees with Obama time and time again on this board, as well as those who just don't agree with you. Rude? How about Kool-Aid drinkers, Obamatrons.....you know the list.

The problem with you is that you can dish it out but can't take it. If you plan on teabagging effectively you might want to consider growing a pair.

Excuse me if I'm not sympathetic to those poor,

And talk about moral values! To be more concerned about the profits of a drug company and the fear that the government might "strong arm" them into possibly SAVING THE POPULATION OF AN ENTIRE COUNTRY in a time of WAR is absolutely shameless and reflects a total lack of values.

But that IS the "red" way of thinking, isn't it? Big business must always come first.

Conservatives don't care about the poor...

NOT!

America and the Poor...

Wednesday, September 14, 2005

By Bill O'Reilly

PHOTOS

VIDEO


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