Chavez lost a lot of credibility with his UN antics...sm
Posted By: Demcrat on 2006-09-27
In Reply to: I don't think it is safe to ignore people like Chomsky. sm - Brunson
Even in the most democratic circles, which I travel in. He made a mockery, not of Bush, but himself. Anything credible he had to say went out the window with *smells of sulfa.*
I agree with JDH, once I determine a person is a whacko I don't put much stock in what they have to say.
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They lost any credibility with me
when NOW and other 'institutional' feminists refused to condemn Bill Clinton's anti-female shenanigans. Any feminists think he should not be having sex with interns and/or forcing himself on female campaign workers? Anybody? Hello? cricket..cricket......cricket...cricket
Nope - your the one who lost your credibility
With your attacks on others who do not agree with you. Posting articles from only leftwing nutbag tabloid articles.
And it doesn't matter how many times you vary your name, we all know who you are.
You have lost all credibility with your Bush and America hatred. sm
You have no idea what the former presidents would have done. Republicans don't shackle themselves to a ditch and ride the wave of fame on the bodies of their dead children.
I only lost $1000 so far-Hubby lost $2000 in a week (sm)
so, I called his financial advisor yesterday and told him to put hubby in a "safe" plan. It's now in a money market fund that is part of his IRA.
I have no choice. I have to stay where I am. I have no "safe" available. Neither of us will be able to retire on what is now in our 401Ks and you're not the only one. We couldn't buy a car with Both our 401Ks, let alone live on it.
We are late starters for retirement not until our late 40s funds (most of our employers did not offer pensions). We are now of the first retirement tier and although we own our home outright, if we live until we are 90, there is no way we can live off retirement 401Ks or SS.
My husband's father told him back in the 50s that we would experience something like what is happening today and stated it would be worse than the ཙ crash. It is sure starting to look that way, but we will survive some way, I hope.
We need to pray for the people on SS now that cannot survive. I, for one, would love to help them, but can't help ourselves at this moment.
Thank you Mr. Chavez
What a sorry state America is in when we have people scrounging around to try to fill up their cars to get to work and this winter people will be going broke just to stay warm and Bush does not offer any help, like maybe capping gas prices or releasing some gas from the reserves, yet, here we have a socialist leader, Chavez, offering to help the low income Americans with cheap oil. Is this screwy or what? Chavez is caring more about the downtrodden of America than our elected servant.
Chavez
Just imagine what COULD happen, though.
Chavez could take a good long look at all the problems with America that you have listed, decide that Bush is an evil, greedy tyrant, declare war on the USA to free us of this tyrant, with the promise of free medical care for all, no more homeless people, no more street crime, no more children being brutally molested and murdered, no more starvation for the poor, reasonable gas prices, etc., etc., etc.
He could invade and occupy the USA, killing some innocent Americans, destroying our water supply, taking out our electricity, terrifying us all while he does it, turning our streets into IED targets, and do it with most of the world disapproving of such an action.
Sure is a good thing we don't live in a world where one president can actually to do such a thing, right??? RIGHT????!!! 
Chavez
I know, was really happy when I read about it. Did you see his picture? Sad and... But no, I don't think it is the end for him. He has a few more years as President? Dictator? and there is a lot he can still do. He is a crazy man with too much power on his hands. Let's just hope for the best and enjoy the victory in the meantime.
chavez threat
There have been many arrested over the past few years for just voicing threats that were meaningless, not like Robertson broadcasting all over the world about assassinating Chavez. That most certainly is a crime. You cannot threaten leaders of other countries, especially in a forum like Robertson has.
One more thing about Chavez.
I will never forget MANY moons ago when I was in junior high school and learning about different kinds of governments in my Social Studies class. I remember secretly thinking to myself that socialism seemed like the fairest kind of government. Of course, I could never VERBALIZE that sentiment since we were still engaged in the *Cold War* at the time, as well as on the heels of the McCarthy era, and anyone expressing such a view was automatically labeled a *Communist*. LOL. In fact, this is the first time in my entire life I've ever shared these views with anyone. I grew up actually believing I was a horrible person for thinking what I thought and was very ashamed of it until lately.
Chavez has a lot of admirers. sm
It wasn't that long ago on this very board that he was spoken of very highly.
FYI-Chavez not dictator??? Venez's..sm
saw some thread either here or there (another board here) where someone challenged Chavez and said he is not a dictator....well, the middle class and upper class are leaving in droves....watch this from 2 days ago...(and I know they began leaving 8-10 years ago coming here to the states).
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=71705&videoChannel=2602
Article on Chavez and oil to American poor
There are a few articles that I have read on this..here is one that originated from Reuters. GT
Wednesday, August 24 2005 @ 08:06 PM MDT
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Chavez Offers Cheap Gas To Poor In U.S.
Published on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 by Reuters
By David Pace
HAVANA, Cuba - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline.
Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez "We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba.
Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States.
The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America.
Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.
Chavez oil versus American fat cat oil companies
Article from Juan Gonzalez, a NY Daily News columnist, RE: Hugo Chavez and his oil versus American oil companies:
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I pulled into the Mobil gas station on 11th Ave. in Manhattan yesterday for my weekly stickup from the oil companies.
Their take this time was an astonishing $3.05 per gallon for premium unleaded.
"Every three or four days the price goes up," said Patel, the man in charge of the station. "Lots of complaints from my customers."
Complaints from everyone except oil executives.
Last year, Exxon/Mobil, the world's largest corporation, posted the highest profits of any company in history - more than $25 billion. The oil giant, based in Irving, Tex., is on track to shatter that mark this year, with revenues that now approach $1 billion per day.
Which brings me to Pat Robertson and Hugo Chavez.
Robertson, the right-wing evangelist and friend of the Bush family, publicly called this week for the U.S. government to kill - or at least kidnap - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
"This is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us badly," Robertson said. His less-than-Christian remarks ignited an outcry and forced him to issue an apology of sorts, though he still insisted that he had at least "focused our government's attention on a growing problem."
That "problem," quite simply, is that Chavez, a radical populist who has been voted into office repeatedly by huge majorities in his own country, controls the largest reserve of petroleum outside the Middle East.
Neither Robertson, nor former oil executives George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice, nor their buddies at Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, etc., are happy about all this.
Even more scandalous for Big Oil, Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall not to fatten his own country's oligarchy but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and help neighboring countries.
Yesterday, while Robertson was issuing his half-baked Chavez clarification, the Venezuelan president was in Montego Bay, Jamaica, where he announced a new oil agreement with that country's prime minister, P.J. Patterson.
Under the agreement, Venezuela will supply 22,000 barrels of oil a day to Jamaica for a mere $40 a barrel. That's far lower than the current world price of about $65 a barrel. With the price of gasoline in that destitute nation already more than $3.50 a gallon, the Chavez plan means more than half a million dollars a day in savings for Jamaica on oil imports.
Chavez also announced his government will provide $60 million in foreign aid to Jamaica and finance the upgrading of that country's oil refineries.
The agreement is part of a broader Chavez plan called Petrocaribe, which he unveiled at a Caribbean summit in Venezuela last June.
At that conference, Chavez offered the same kind of deal to the leaders of more than a dozen other neighboring nations, including Dominican Republic President Leonel Fernandez and Cuba's Fidel Castro.
Fernandez jumped at the offer because his government is nearly bankrupt from oil prices. Last year, the Dominican Republic spent $1.2 billion on oil imports; this year, it expects to fork out more than $3 billion. The price of gasoline in Santo Domingo has zoomed past $4 a gallon in recent days.
Pat Robertson looks at Chavez and sees a devilish danger. He wants our government to "take him out." Over at the White House, Bush and his aides may use more restrained language, but their goals are not much different.
But there's a whole different view down in Latin America, where a half-dozen nations have seen liberal and populist governments swept into office in recent years.
Down there, Chavez has become the new miracle man of oil. Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats, who wallow in their record profits while the rest of us pay, Chavez is spreading the wealth around.
A dangerous man, indeed.
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President Chavez offered to help America's
poor purchase oil at affordable prices while Bush's cronies are enjoying skyrocketing profits as a result of price gouging. I've heard some poor people say that Chavez cares more about them than Bush does. Who can possibly argue with that?
I'm ecstatic-CHAVEZ was defeated yesterday!!
http://voanews.com/english/2007-12-03-voa7.cfm
Venezuela Rejects Constitutional Changes |
By Brian Wagner
Caracas
03 December 2007
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Venezuelan voters have rejected a sweeping constitutional reform project launched by President Hugo Chavez. In Caracas, VOA's Brian Wagner reports opposition leaders see the vote as a major blow to the president's efforts to impose socialist changes.
(more info at above link)
Chavez Takes Bush to Task Over Iraq War
See link
Not to mention, Chavez blasting the US over Iraq on the floor of the UN...nm
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Reasons Why Chavez Is Up For Noble Peace Prize
An article published in VHeadline.com on November 26
last year, headlined Venezuela's President Hugo
Chavez Frias proposed for the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize aroused great interest
Since that piece was published, Chavez has continued
his humanitarian projects, the most recent of which
are extending Mission Miracle in alliance with Cuba to
correct blindness and sight disorders to the whole of
the American continent, including the US and the
Caribbean. He has also offered crude oil, gasoline and
heating oil at preferential, financed rates to smaller
Caribbean countries, as well as Uruguay and Paraguay
which are struggling with the sky high price of
energy.
The improvement in cash flow of these countries
generated by the financing aspect at 1% per year,
allows their governments to use this surplus to invest
in social programs.
This initiative has also taken into account poor
communities, schools, hospitals, old peoples homes
facing a predicted brutally cold winter in the United
States ... part of this program includes donations of
heating oil as well as financing part of the
deliveries from CITGO, a 100%-owned US-based
Venezuelan company based in Houston with 8 refineries
delivering to over 14,000 gasoline stations. Pilot
projects will be underway in Chicago and Boston as of
October 14.
As per the Nobel Peace Prize website the 2004 winner
was Wangari Maathai of Kenya for her contribution to
sustainable development, democracy and peace.
If these three qualities are key to winning the Nobel
Peace Prize then Chavez has all these in abundance ...
and more. He must be the world's leading democrat
having been to the polls 9 times since 1998. He
promotes peace by asking for troops out of Afghanistan
and Iraq, so that these sovereign nations can exercise
self-determination and define their own path in the
future.
Other accomplishments, which have been pushed by
Chavez' personal leadership in Venezuela are the
Social Missions, all grouped under the humanitarian
banner of Mision Cristo (Christ's Mission). The most
important of these, Mision Robinson has taught 1.4
million Venezuelans to read and write; Mision Barrio
Adentro (Neighborhood Within) offers free primary
healthcare in the poor areas and is now reaching 14
million Venezuelans out of a population of
approximately 25 million; Mision Mercal sells cheap
staple foods and has impacted more than half the
population at the time of writing.
Chavez, however, is up against some very stiff
competition including Colin Powell (for his efforts to
end the 21-year civil war in Sudan); the ex-governor
of Illinois, George Ryan (for his campaign to abolish
the death sentence in the US); Israeli Mordechai
Vanunu (for denouncing the existence of nuclear
weapons in his country); the Japanese Hidankyo group
(survivors of the US' atomic bombs dropped on
Hiroshima and Nagasaki).
Credibility
Credibility can be judged from what someone wrote on the chat board. MT wrote that she will join the civilian corp in Iraq. Obviously, she was not credible in that comment. Now there is commentary that it doesn't matter, or that she didn't lie. Gawd, it is so much like this administration it's laughable, but somehow it makes me feel like crying instead of laughing. You say it won't matter in 100 years. Well, it might. The collective lies that got us into this war may matter to the relatives still alive of those killed in Iraq after 100 years. So in a very small but important way it does matter. It is symbolic of the web of lies bringing this whole country down.
By the way the civilian corps would include aid workers, truck drivers, engineers, etc. This was most certainly not a rhetorical question, yet another lie on the part of one of the posters worried about manners.
No credibility again (sm)
And this from www.rightsidenews.com
Speaking of credibility...
You promised to grace us with your absence before, yet your posts are multiplying like bunnies all over this board. So much for YOUR credibility.
bush has no credibility
I believe and trust Chavez, any day..even Putin any day..Bush has no credibility anymore..actually, in my eyes, he never had credibility..I warned republican friends not to vote for him cause he would destroy America and the world and Roe vs Wade would be overturned..my insights are coming true..and actually the Americans who voted for Bush have no one to blame but themselves, unfortunately, ALL of us have to suffer the consequences..IMHO, I think Bush should stand trial for not heeding the warning given to him about terrorists flying planes into high buildings (given to him in 08/2001), for waging a war on LIES which he KNEW they were lies and on Katrina, which he was warned about..This guy is a fool and we are all paying the price for having a fool in the White House..
goldberg has no credibility
I know him through his words..Do you know him personally? When a person puts his thoughts and ideas out there, he should expect criticism or praise. I have chosen to criticize. Hurt my credibility? I believe through his words HE no longer has credibility. However, for the radical right wingers, he is, I would assume, right up there with Limbaugh, Coulter, Carlson, people you believe even if they are acting like fools and lying through their teeth. Something we who did not drink the Kool-Aid can see.
Well, he might have more credibility with the little people if he WOULD...
stand on a cardboard box. ANd it would be more in keeping with how he keeps saying he would like to be thought of.
Credibility Factor
Wow, if my in-laws (in their 80s) knew that they were looked upon like that, I'd get a black eye (and deserve it) Incidentally, they could do it, too. They travel abroad, work out, all that stuff.
Maybe we should get a little sampling of how many fossilized 70YOs there are out there. I'm embarrassed for you.
It also seems to me that anyone who could endure the worst imaginable torture for 5 years must be made of something.
Is that the best ya got?
He is not restoring credibility to the US
He's selling us out!!!!!!!
You need to get a grip and stop watching MSLSD.
You have no credibility. I doubt the veracity of everything you say.
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Well, "dems", you have a big credibility deficit
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I agree. She will do fine and has MORE credibility
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What a joke. You no longer have any credibility. nm
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I think he has earned a bit more respect and credibility
so sue me.
It's called credibility of sources...
fact checking, research.....get the idea yet? Again, rumors started by a person who won't even identify themself is not fact the last time I checked.
Oh, and by the way, why is it okay for this person to stay anonymous and not okay for the source of the infamous tape you like to talk about so much?
Not an ounce of credibility in sight.
you can keep on reinforcing the negativity and issue dodging that has been the cornerstone of this tanking your candidate, your party and his bankrupt campaign. One this is apparent. The fatal flaw that has marked these strategies is alive and well. You insult voters every single time you throw up this kind of trash and have totally underestimated the intelligent of the American electorate. 57 hours until E-day.
Ok, you brought back credibility to yourself LOL
I'm glad you laughed about my remark. I was waiting to get blasted. :-)
I read the link you provided. Good article. DH reads AOL. I won't read Fox or MSBNC or the others that have an agenda. I think she's a very smart woman and at least she understands the economics we are facing.
I do care about what she says and does in her state. I do hope we see more of her and am sure she has learned a lot because of the campaign. DH & I were saying that when she was running that if McCaina and she lost we would think about moving to Alaska to have her as our governor. However, winter is settling in up there and it's just a bit too cold for us (we would absolutely freeze).
Thanks again for the link - you restored my confidence in you. HA HA
You know, gt, these kind of statements lend you no credibility.
Do you know him personally? Do you know people he knows? Are you part of his life? You do know he is a Democrat, right? But of course, when Democrats say bad things about other Democrats they are OUT OF THE CLUB, or, in your words, Jerks. You might try to broad your tunnel vision a little bit. It would make you appear at least partially objective.
Who's to judge credibility? Certainly not you or I on a chat board.
Just seems like a lot of negativism about nothing really. But whatever. Not worth worrying about. In 100 years, who will care. You waste way too much energy on here. Get a real hobby. It will improve your outlook!
Chicken Little/Cry Wolf Bush has no credibility.
He has lied to Americans and to the world so many times that if he actually made a mistake and told the TRUTH, nobody would be able to recognize it.
LOL at *pro-terrorist.* Is that the *talking point* word of the day that you studied at the table while drinking your daily dose of Kool-Aid? I'm not pro terrorist by any stretch of the imagination. I'm also not gullible. As far as bizarre, I think people who can't think for themselves, see the forest from the trees and continue to defend a known manipulative, deceitful liar until the end, regardless of facts to the contrary, are beyond bizarre.
And as far as J. C. Penney bills, check the date below. As I said, this is nothing new. I doubt you need to worry about your credit card bills, though. Bush only attacks those who disagree with him or catch him in lies. Ask Valerie Plame.
Pay too much and you could raise the alarm
By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal
28-FEB-06
PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher who traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall in Rhode Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.
So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has breakfast at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has passed the test and become a regular despite an accent that is definitely not local.
And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me that he was madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail.
He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.
What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that everything changed after 9/11 thing.
But not Walter.
We're a product of the '60s, he said. We believe government should be way away from us in that regard.
He was referring to the recent decision by him and his wife to be responsible, to do the kind of thing that just about anyone would say makes good, solid financial sense.
They paid down some debt. The balance on their JCPenney Platinum MasterCard had gotten to an unhealthy level. So they sent in a large payment, a check for $6,522.
And an alarm went off. A red flag went up. The Soehnges' behavior was found questionable.
And all they did was pay down their debt. They didn't call a suspected terrorist on their cell phone. They didn't try to sneak a machine gun through customs.
They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.
After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their account had been duly credited. They learned that the check had arrived, but the amount available for credit on their account hadn't changed.
So Deana Soehnge called the credit-card company. Then Walter called.
When you mess with my money, I want to know why, he said.
They both learned the same astounding piece of information about the little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and blinking.
They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified. And the money doesn't move until the threat alert is lifted.
Walter called television stations, the American Civil Liberties Union and me. And he went on the Internet to see what he could learn. He learned about changes in something called the Bank Privacy Act.
The more I'm on, the scarier it gets, he said. It's scary how easily someone in Homeland Security can get permission to spy.
Eventually, his and his wife's money was freed up. The Soehnges were apparently found not to be promoting global terrorism under the guise of paying a credit-card bill. They never did learn how a large credit card payment can pose a security threat.
But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of privacy has been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds solid, middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights being lost.
If it can happen to me, it can happen to others, he said.
(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail bkerr@projo.com.)
(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.shns.com.)
JM credibility on moderate inclusive bipartisan
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There is no credibility in any single part of this story
including at the $800,000 expense claim, since the whole thing is based on a fantasy whichg arises out of a false premise. You may have noticed that the other 2 posts directly below regarding this trash have gone unanswered all day long, and you will not be engaging me in any further beating of this dead, dead horse. The fanatic/broken record comment is all I care to post as the rest of it is simply a huge waste of time and energy. We all know that when the Supreme Court dismisses this tomorrow it will not phase a single solitary fanatic and they will continue their quest to nowhere until they run out of money. Fanatics, every last one of them.
Well, this post has brought the credibility, class and dignity of this board to ZERO! NM
LOSERS!
Typical, make a nasty comment and run. You have no credibility with anyone with any brains. nm
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BTW, I'm not lost
I'm posting a response on a public board. Is that a problem?
Oh all is lost! All is lost!!! What are we going to do?
I find it heartening that you don't think everything is orchestrated by a shadow world government, but your pessimism is frankly disheartening. Do you have proof that the MAJORITY of Afghani women are back in Birkas and that the Taliban is staunchly in charge again? What's really disheartening to me is that when the going gets a tough in some areas you want to throw up the white flags and quit. That's the motto of the American left. We quit! Personally, I believe the majority of Americans think the war on terror is a noble fight, however, some think if we don't address it at all then it will just go away. That's denial. I'm not a complete Bush toadie to say that I think the war has been executed totally correctly. There are things that should have been done differently. However, I don't distrust my president so much that I think the war is a mistake. I certainly believe what was being planned in London was very real and not a distraction. The American left has become so obessed and deluded by Bush hatred that they think everything is ploy by Bush. About the Bush knowing about the London affair on Monday and we don't find out until yesterday there was an ongoing investigation. It was a British investigation, and I think the left would be happy that we didn't go pre-empting a Brittish investigation by upping the security level on our airlines until the full picture was realized.
Another thing is that the Democrats think the Lamont election was the 2008 presidential election, and that election reflects the view of the whole country. That is deadly political thinking, because it was one election in a small state. All politics aside, Lamont just ran a great grass roots election, hands down. Lieberman's problem is that he dared speak out against the extreme left. He became dead to them. Just like Hillary is becoming dead to them too by moderating. If you think the work is done for the Democratic party you are sadly mistaken. The Democratic party does not have any semblance of solidarity to pull off any huge wins. They may pick up a few seats this Fall but they're far from winning a huge takeover of the House or Senate, and they are far from winning a presidential election.
Is it "a whole lost" or "a whole lot?"
I hope that your proofreading skills are as good as your speed. Just asking.
I don't believe that. You are a lost cause.
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You lost me there
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? you lost me
Are you saying the father should get a chance to take care of the baby or shouldn't?
You seem to have lost your way.
started out and continues to be about Gitmo. Just because you feel youself getting backed up into a corner by your own inept arguments does not mean that you can switch gears in midstream and get others to play along. My comments were about Gitmo and the constitution. Like I said, you missed your meds, Ms. ADHD.
I would have lost, too............ sm
but probably at the swimsuit competition! ROFL!!!!!
I would have lost also...
...but that's because I have a 5 o'clock shadow that's tough to conceal with makeup. On the swimsuit question, I'd put my man boobs up against anyone's.
Wait, that's not quite what I wanted to say, is it?
I think that is why he lost
Chris is wholesome, married, clean cut, an all around American Idol. And in addition to what I said above, my daughter has a gay friend. He's the perfect friend to have. I don't worry about him being an infuence on her. My cousin is gay, should I not associate with him? I just hope that the OP doesn't have to deal with anyone in her family or any of her friends being gay.
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