Bush came to my town awhile back,
Posted By: and I tried to watch him with an open mind... on 2007-09-28
In Reply to: Country's problems... - Observer
but I just felt he was very disrespectful of the questions people were asking. Someone would ask something very important to their lives, like farming or healthcare, and not only would he avoid the issue (which many politiicans do), but he just outright laughed numerous times, and that did it for me. These people were looking to answers to questions they agonize about in their lives, and he would laugh it off and make a dumb joke. It really bothered me, but that is just one of many things that make me very wary of him. I just don't trust the man. I go with my gut feelings through life, and my gut is screaming not to trust him. May not be logical to many, but it's the way I feel.
If he passes the Children's Health Plan I will definitely have a little more respect for him. I think if he has a conscience he will. Many middle-class families are losing their homes and everything else they've got because they are drowning in medical bills. Our kids deserve it in my opinion, and even though he has promised to veto the bill, I hope in HIS heart of hearts he knows it's the right thing. Maybe I won't feel like saying anything negative about him for awhile if he passes it!  I will be so grateful.
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And some poster awhile back was...
actually claiming that everyone knows the republicans are the ones who cheat. That is so laughable. This is only the beginning of the dems trying to steal the election once again.
Yeah, well, I seem to remember Democrat saying she wasn't African-American awhile back. sm
So which is it?
Bush is back in the WH. Try and keep up. sm
He was giving aid and addressing the issue in news conferences BEFORE THE HURRICAINE EVEN HIT. Man, you guys are something. It's one thing to hate everything about him but it's a whole new ballgame when you are not only uninformed but just lie all the time.
Would take Bush back anyday over the
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Bush DOES back plan to release
The White House on Friday threw its support behind a plan to speed release of $25 billion in existing loans to the Big Three automakers but rejected a Democratic proposal to use money from a financial bailout to help the troubled industry.
The $700 billion financial rescue package was never intended to help automakers and shouldn't be now, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told The Associated Press. But since Democratic leaders in Congress are pressing forward with a proposal to carve out a piece of its for the auto industry, she said the White House has decided to pursue a different approach: accelerating the availability of federal loans Congress first approved in September.
Those loans were approved to help automakers build more fuel-efficient vehicles and become more competitive companies in the global marketplace. The administration now supports allowing the loans to be released more quickly than the original legislation prescribed and to be used for more urgent purposes as the companies struggle to stay afloat.
"Democrats are choosing a path that would only lead to partisan gridlock," she said. "We are now actively calling on Congress to amend the loan program."
Do you think it was Bush's money that paid his trips back and forth?
No - it was our taxpayer money that paid for all those trips to the ranch and to Camp David. That is one of the perks of being President - you get to travel with 100s of people wherever you go.
All the reports clearly said that President Obama and Michelle paid for their own theater tickets and their own meals - it was just the expense of travel that is the issue.
It took me awhile to get used to
but I have this unnatural hatred for birds (probably because one pooped on me before homecoming my junior year) so it makes it a little easier LOL.
I still have trouble when it comes to Bambi. I enjoy eating deer meat, just as long as I don't have to meet him before he hits my plate! HAHA
As far as knowing one is sick or not, you can pretty much tell when you look at it. Usually by the time their fried anything harmful is killed. The biggest thing you have to worry about is biting down on a piece of lead that didn't get dug out! OUCH!
we are definitely on our own for awhile
I think we should all get used to the idea of pitching in and helping each other.
Having been gone for awhile
I find this "O lover, O worshiper" garbage even more repulsive. For heaven sake, can you possibly imagine anyone just giving the guy a chance without ass-u-m-ing we are "O lovers or O worshipers? Good grief gertie!
Why is this discussion over - Ive been away for awhile and,
So why is this topic now closed?
I have not posted here for awhile because, frankly,..
I was at a loss for words. If I were one of those televangelist types I would say God did sent this hurricane/flood to expose this administration and many I-got-mine, who-gives-a-hoot-about-you Americans to the rest of the world for what our country has become...a place where racism, poverty, greed and environmental desecration have been allowed to thrive unhindered. There is money and manpower for the things this administration really believes in; power, personal accumulation of money, war and environmental apathy but none for its poorest, oldest, youngest and sickest...finally, finally, having been exposed naked to the world, perhaps we will wake up as a nation and clean house from the top on down. With God's help, and a little selflessness from everyone (not just the same people over and over and over) I believe we can overcome this tragedy and go on to be better for it; we are always better when we do the right thing. If our administration can't or won't do it, perhaps we can shame them in the eyes of the world by doing it ourselves. I am rambling here...I am just so completely stunned by the last week's events. I will stop here. Mitakuye Oyasin. Aho.
It's been awhile since I've posted
I can't even remember when I posted this message. I have stayed off the boat because the posters that defend the dems and say they had nothing to do with it just make me so infuriate I could just scream. Like you said, you can show them a video of them defending it and they still won't admit to it. They come up with something like "oh that video's been doctored" or some baloney like that.
I just found myself getting totally frustrated. Been screaming at the TV so much my voice is sore, so rather than add frustration stayed off the board for a short while.
I found some more information I found interesting I'll post later on. Back to work here for me for now.
He was a member of the party for awhile, yes he was....
but so far as I know he didn't pal around with people who blew up American buildings, someone who said God D*mn aMerica from the pulpit...yeah, that's the same thing. And HE was not the one running for office. Oh heck...what was I thinking? LOL.
she probably left for the same reason i did for awhile
when the libs continuously personally attack you and say the stupidest s*it, you can only take it for so long.
I rarely come here and I know why just be posting above... i get soooo angry and I dont like to be an angry person.
Poor Sam was all alone a lot of the time sticking up for what she believed in just to be struck down time and time again by people that have no class.
I wish her the best
I think you may be right, but it is long and will take awhile to read through it
I've got more to read, and this is a long one.
All I say is do not take away the small farm/personal household's right to not let us plant a garden. I was reading it again but is long and have to do more reading before I comment any more on this.
oh and by the way....you Dems have had a majority in Congress for awhile now...
and what has been accomplished? Why haven't you been busy overturning every ill those nasty Repubs have done? LOL...Congress has even a lower rating with the public than Bush does..do the math, if you can. lol.
Yep. I've been saying this for awhile. I'm glad people...
are starting to write articles about it. I know that there are many socialists in this country and it appears a good many on this board, since they continue the support in spite of it...but those middle of the road voters out there, not hard core either direction...they need to know this to make an informed decision. We who don't want socialism need to email this link to everyone we know...get this information out there to the grass roots.
So did Joe Biden....and we haven't heard from him in awhile since.
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Right.........several in your town, huh?
And you can believe EVERYTHING a prisoner says, uhm, a tortured prisoner, um, naked photographed prisoners.........if I was innocent and incarcerated like they were.......I would probably become terroristic, too. What does this have to do with the USS Cole?
Yes, several in my town......
They are sent in groups you know? Just like my SIL's brother is now being sent over to Afghanistan with his TROOP, all from this county. More than one in one place.....get it? You need to stop listening to the liberal propaganda; I believe those are all the words THEY used.
Most of the immigrants in my town
legal and illegal left already. The majority of them were from Brazil. They couldn't get enough work anymore to make it worthwhile to stay here. A lot of them had bought houses and just abandoned them, so there are lots of affordable houses in my area right now.
Yes, but WE don't live in your town.
Like I said, we ALL work on this board, or we wouldn't be on a TRANSCRIPTION chat site.
I'm sorry about the moochers where you live. Maybe you should move.
DH, son, and myself are going to the TEA party in our town...sm
My sign says: "3 Simple Words: We The People."
Son's sign will say: "Just say NO to socialism."
DH's sign is "No taxation without representation."
And if, by chance ACORN is there, so much the better. I read this somewhere...maybe on here....sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Where have you been the last 2-3 weeks, out of town??? sm
Janet Naplitano and the FBI and another alphabet soup group sent out a document to the president on what groups they considered "domestic terrorists." The list included returning war vets, people who oppose abortion, people who oppose gay or other similar ideas, etc. Basically it was anyone who did not agree with what the "Anointed One" and his party line. She also included the TEA party people.
Google DHS Domestic Terrorism memo.
When I lived in town
I lived across the street from the girl scout leader that I mentioned. Do you think I was inconvenienced by the amount of vehicles there EVERY WEEK? You bet. Did the police come by and stop the little girls from meeting? No. And they never will, because no one feels threatened by the girl scouts.
I can't believe you are so vehemently denying what this is. You know dang well that if it was any other "not-for-profit" group, they would be left alone. For now.
You are saying along the same lines that if your daughter wanted to have a study group every week at her home with fifteen of her friends that you would go out and get a license for her to do so?
I live in a very small town. sm
My state is a red state, but my hometown newspaper carries one column and that is Molly Ivins. You don't get much further left than that. I agree.
Obama does not want a town hall...
anywhere because he has difficulty thinking on his feet. Town halls are two unstructured. He would be more likely to say what he really thinks instead of what has been rehearsed and talking points...and believe me that is the LAST thing his campaign wants.
Yep, I like the town halls too. So far, Mr. Obama has...
refused to take part in any. I hope that changes after the conventions when campaigning begins in earnest. His advisors don't like that venue, for pretty obvious reasons.
You kinda have to hear the negative as well as the positive...because whoever you vote for you are going to get, warts and all. Better to know what the warts are up front I'm thinkin. Speeches are nice, and both candidates are going to tell us what they think we want to hear. I just wish they would have the guts to tell the truth about what they really think and feel and what their real agenda is....and let the chips fall where they may. I won't hold my breath for that tho.
Nice visiting with you.
Town hall meetings
Did Bush have town hall meetings with Gore? Kerry? Clinton with HW Bush? Dole? Reagan with Mondale? what's the big deal here? Aren'tthe nationally televised debates enough. Just because he declined town hall meetings with McCain does not in any way mean he "snubbed" New Orleans. Ridiculous. This is a non-issue.
She is what small-town America is all about
Loved the speech, love the candidate!!!
Those small-town values are
EXACTLY what the big bad world needs to take it on. Resolute, firm in beliefs, freedom, country first.
they were 10 bucks in my town before they sold out
This woman is originally from my town
I saw on the news last night that this woman is originally from the city I live in. They say that she and her son were interviewed up here in 2004 about how hard it was for lower income people to get health care and pay for it and then miraculously her and her son ended up down in Florida in the City where the president was speaking sleeping in their truck. I think that is too much of a coincidence to be real. Plus that truck looked awful nice for 2 people who had been out of work for 9 months and according to the story here they had been out of work up here too before they left for Florida. I think they were a plant, but by which party? They both are looking good by helping these people.
That describes most of my town......I could add lazy
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I live in small-town America (less than 3,000), and I
We don't believe those with all the cash should get to call all the shots, skip paying taxes, and get rewarded for shipping American jobs to foreign countries.
a small town dweller with hemorroids.
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Come live in my town. I'll take you for a tour of the
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You lived in a town of 5000 people
know who you dated? Or did you just think they didn't know? LOL
Prejudge? Honey, I see it EVERYDAY in my town
In case YOU don't know, there is a big difference in mooching and actually needing assistance. Assistance is what the funds are supposed to be there for in the first place, for those who have lost jobs, fallen on hard times, etc., but NOT just because you don't want to work!
Get a clue!!!
We have a meat packing plant in my town
it has been here for 60+ years and never had problems getting those "lazy" Americans to work. My uncle was employed there for years and it was backbreaking work. He wasn't lazy. He was trying to feed his family. Over the past few years, the owner has tried to sneek in illegals so he could pay less as well as a construction business making roof framework for homes. They never have had trouble finding hard working folks; they just want to get the job done for LESS and LESS. So, please don't try pulling that "lazy" American routine.
Judging by some of the prior town meetings
1. Gimme a house.
2. Make my boss pay me more (than I'm worth).
3. Gimme.
4. Gimme.
5. Fix everything for me.
This is more the behavior of subjects toward a monarch than citizens toward a president. Thanks, think I'll just stay home and improve my own life.
Some very liberal dems attending in my town.
My best friend, who is a very liberal democrat and voted for Obama, is going to the tea party in my town, along with many of her friends - all of whom campaigned wildly for Obama.
Her sign is going to read:
The opposite of Progress is Congress.
I live in a small town and the others don't start til later.
Yes, I'd call packed to capacity and a total of four of these parties in a town of 25,000 pretty good.
What you're trying to do here is painfully transparent. Stop embarrassing yourself.
I don't believe Obama doesn't want town hall meetings....
because of the format...not to snub any particular town. He does not do when the questions are not scripted. No one knows what is going to be asked at a town hall meeting, and they are asked by regular folks, not paid commentators. Not enough control to suit Mr. Obama. I don't blame him. He doesn't have the experience to handle one, he would come off looking bad and he knows it. Politics 101. You would think, though, as much as he talks about hope and change and the people, he wouldn't mind answering a few questions from the people...?
Obama can't do a town hall meeting...he needs his teleprompter so he can
remember what to say on that given day.
Yep...and today he is holding a town hall in France...
yukking it up with Europe as his own country circles the drain....pittiiiffullll.
We lost the first soldier from our small town here in Alabama this week, sm
and there was an article in yesterday's paper about a reverand who was going to protest at the ceremony, but due to community outrange I think this has been halted.
get on back, neocon, get on back
Tell ya what, sweetheart, last I checked this is the LIBERAL BOARD and I havent been banned, as I dont break the rules, so I can stay as long as I want..Seems to me, conservative, you are the one who should mosey on by and get back to drink more Kook-Aid.
Oh I see....you hate small town folks, you hate Christians...
and you hate the military...you are also coming into real clear view.
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
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