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Grasping the straw outta that hippity-hop nose!

Posted By: sm on 2009-02-21
In Reply to: I call it grasping at straws!! - penny

It's a freakin' joke! I guess religion went on a fire sale so now it's going to be hip-hop! What a pile!


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Outta Work and Outta Luck


by: Peter Whoriskey, The Washington Post


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People wait to speak with staff about unemployment benefits.



    In record numbers, employers move to block unemployment payouts.

    It's hard enough to lose a job. But for a growing proportion of U.S. workers, the troubles really set in when they apply for unemployment benefits.

    More than a quarter of people applying for such claims have their rights to the benefit challenged as employers increasingly act to block payouts to former workers.

    The proportion of claims disputed by former employers and state agencies has reached record levels in recent years, according to the Labor Department numbers tallied by the Urban Institute.

    Under state and federal laws, employees who are fired for misbehavior or quit voluntarily are ineligible for unemployment compensation. When jobless claims are blocked, employers save money because their unemployment insurance rates are based on the amount of the benefits their workers collect.

    As unemployment rolls swell in the recession, many workers seem surprised to find their benefits challenged, their former bosses providing testimony against them. On one recent morning in what amounts to one of Maryland's unemployment courts, employees and employers squared off at conference tables to rehash reports of bad customer service, anger management and absenteeism.

    "I couldn't believe it," said Kenneth M. Brown, who lost his job as a hotel electrician in October.

    He began collecting benefits of $380 a week but then discovered that his former employer, the owners of the Gaylord National Resort and Convention Center, were appealing to block his unemployment benefits. The hotel alleged that he had been fired for being deceptive with a supervisor.

    "A big corporation like that.... It was hard enough to be terminated," he said. "But for them to try to take away the unemployment benefits - I just thought that was heartless."

    After a Post reporter turned up at the hearing, the hotel's representative withdrew the appeal and declined to comment. A hotel spokesperson later said the company does not comment on legal matters. Brown will continue to collect benefits, which he, his wife and three young children rely on to make monthly mortgage payments on their Upper Marlboro home.

    Unemployment compensation programs are administered by the states and funded by payroll taxes that employers pay. In 2007, employers put up about $31.5 billion in such taxes, and those taxes typically rise during and after recessions, as states seek to replenish the funds.

    With each successful claim raising a company's costs, many firms resist letting employees collect the benefit if they consider it undeserved.

    "In some of these cases, employers feel like there's some matter of principle involved," said Coleman Walsh, chief administrative law judge in Virginia, who has handled many such disputes. But, he said, "nowadays it appears their motivation has more to do with the impact on their unemployment insurance tax rate. Employers by and large are more aware of unemployment as a cost of business."

    The cost of unemployment insurance has created an industry of "third-party agents" - companies that specialize in helping employers deal with the unemployment insurance administration. These firms represent employers in disputes with former employees over jobless benefits.

    One of the largest is TALX, a St. Louis company active in the Washington area, which claims more than 8,000 clients.

    The company's Web site says that it removes "over $6 billion in unemployment claims liability annually."

    Joyce Dear, chief operations officer for tax management services at TALX, said firms such as hers help bring to light the issues surrounding an employee's departure.

    "You are limited to what is permissible," she said. "What an employer can do is provide the facts around a separation. The awarding of the benefits is in the hands of the state."

    Wayne Vroman, a researcher at the Urban Institute, has documented the rise of challenges to unemployment claims using the Labor Department data. He found that the proportion of claims challenged on the basis of misconduct has more than doubled, to 16 percent, since the late 1980s. Claims disputed on the grounds that the worker simply quit represent about 10 percent of the otherwise eligible applications.

    Even as more employers have alleged employee misconduct, their success rate has stayed relatively stable - they lose on such issues about two-thirds of the time.

    "What is clear is that employers have become more willing to contest claims from claimants," Vroman said of the data.

    Hearing officers and others in the industry said it isn't clear why the number of challenges to unemployment claims has grown. The labor force has changed over the years, with less of it devoted to manufacturing and more of it from the service sector.

    Some suggested the rise in disputed benefits stems from the fact that it is easier today for employers to track claims and try to block those they consider unwarranted.

    "Automation has contributed to the ease with which protests from the employer can be filed," said Doug Holmes, president of UWC Strategy, a group that claims large and small employers among its members and represents their interests in unemployment matters.

    Others speculated that changes in the law have made it easier for employers to block unemployment claims.

    Rick McHugh, a staff attorney for the National Employment Law Project who began handling such cases in the 1970s, said court rulings have slowly enlarged the definition of employee misconduct, making it easier for employers to say they rightfully fired a worker.

    "The courts are just not showing as much sympathy for employees who get fired," he said. "There's a higher standard of behavior that is expected of employees."

    For example, back in 1941, the Wisconsin Supreme Court considered the case of a cab driver who'd had three accidents in two weeks and also shorted the company on a 40 cent fare, turning in only 25 cents.

    The court ruled that the driver was entitled to unemployment benefits because unintentionally careless or shoddy work did not constitute misconduct. It's unlikely, McHugh said, that the case would be determined the same way today.

    In many states, hearings are held daily on unemployment claims. The outcome most often turns on whether the former employee was guilty of misconduct.

    With employees and employers as adversaries, it's often difficult to determine the facts of a case, and just as difficult at times to separate misconduct from incompetence, which is not a reason to withhold the benefits.

    During a day of hearings this week in Wheaton, human resources personnel sat across tables from former employees, and the discussion often turned to written warnings, company handbooks and who-told-what-to-whom.

    A former assistant manager at RI Ra, an Irish Bar in Bethesda, fended off complaints that, among other things, he'd failed to greet guests at the door and one time poured a beer for himself after hours.

    A Verizon technician was charged with, in company terms, "detour and frolic."

    And a former salesman at Ethan Allen complained that there was no way he could have made his $35,000 sales quota - and that's why he quit.

    "It's almost like a daily soap opera - but it's real life," veteran hearing examiner Scott Karp said. "In this economic climate, the threshold for what employers consider minimum acceptable behavior has changed. They decide they're not going to put up with it anymore, so they start documenting the employee's behavior and often enough, the issue winds up here."


I am gone, outta here. Like I said, I offered to leave before and was asked to stay. SM
Since you have become the board monitor, I am out of here.  And I don't care what you believe.  A poster who no longer comes here was wished to die and burn in hell.  Lots of other people saw it.  In fact, I commented on it and I believe Suzie and maybe vs did.  Not sure.  Anyway, it happened. Outta here.....whoosh::::::::::::::::::::::::
This is the last straw!! - I'm voting Democrat!

I have never once voted Democrat - I have been a staunch Republican for my entire adult life, from Nixon on in, for better or for worse -


Okay, now it too much worse.  Not only has this economy tanked over this last eight years, gas prices are higher than ever and climbing, now this "rebate" is not coming to me/us.  Yeah, rebate - supposed to come to every American who pays taxes to help spur on the economy.  But if you owe any taxes, it isn't important to help the ecomony anymore - they take it away before you even get it!.  I wonder how many other hard working Americans who owed taxes this year got chiseled out of their rebates! 


Obama at least has come from "real people," not some rich senator's family or oil family who has not the slightest idea what normal people go through who work 52 weeks a year, praying for a tax refund, only to find themselves taxed out of any kind of vacation, leisure, or  - - rebate. 


I'm done!  President Bush, I have had it!  I don't like you or your administration anymore, and you and your IRS can take a nice long walk off a short pier - we'll never miss you!


Now your reaching for the proverbial straw
MrsM did not personally attack anyone on this board, so get over it.  Like I said before, yours is a typical response from someone who doesn't have anything intelligent to say, so you just attack.  You sure you don't work for the McPalin campaign?
What do you expect them to do? They've got to grasp the only straw they can find

conservative "values."


They don't know how to be objective, and they're not willing to accept the truth. 


GRASPING
grasp·ing (grăs'pĭng) pronunciation
adj.

Exceedingly eager for material gain; avaricious.

graspingly grasp'ing·ly adv.
graspingness grasp'ing·ness n.
Grasping at straws. Sam only wants us
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Your grasping at straws
You really can't see the truth. If something goes agains Obama you claim its a plant. If it goes against McCain it's real? You know, nobody at the rally of Palin's yelled "kill-em" but you don't want to believe that, so now your playing that tune with "oh the plumber was a plant". Sheesh!
I do believe the pubs are grasping at
Time for a change; the same isn't working anymore...
You're really grasping at straws now
Surely you are not dumb enough to think democrats don't drive around in gas-hogs? They drive around here in them and it doesn't seem to bother them how much gas they're eating up.

Get over yourself!
Grasping at straws would be challenging
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Grasping at straws? It's on the news..
go to MSNBC, Drudge, Fox, CNN, AP, etc.
You're really grasping at straws here. nm
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I call it grasping at straws!!
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Grasping at straws aren't ya
First, the Queen requested an IPOD? Oh brother. She already had one. Many people are saying he needs to have a better gift selector. After all what's next a block of velveta cheese and accompanying cookbook.

Next, the Queen put her arm around Michelle and doesn't like to touch anyone else? Oh please, that really is grasping at straws. First, you don't know if she doesn't like to touch other people or if in the past other people's wives touched the Queen. M.O. was the first in placing her hand on the Queen's back and then the Queen then put her hand on M.O.'s back in kind (looking at the picks here). You make it sound as though they were embracing each other. They were not. It was a kindly encounter. Nothing more.

As for the Dow going up? Woo-hoo....up, down, up, down, down, down, up, down, up, up, down. It's a big bouncing ball. But your crowing at a 39.51 close up???? Nothing to crow about especially since last week it dropped close to 149 points and the next day it closed down almost 255 pounds. And it's been down more times than up. So, please spare me with your glee of it going up 39.51 points. When it goes up a lot and stays up, then that is something we can all talk about. Chances are it will go back down. Especially with our country being sold out from under us.
I know you're grasping at straws but McCain
According to the Constitution, only "natural born citizens" have the right to run for the presidency.") The senator bases his eligibility claim on the fact that he was (1) born on a military base in the Panama Canal Zone at a time when it was effectively under U.S. sovereignty and (2) both of his parents were U.S. citizens.

The birth certificate was signed by Captain W. L. Irvine. The name has been checked against the Naval Register for 1936, and William Lorne Irvine was director of the medical facility at the submarine base hospital in Coco Solo, Panama Canal Zone, during that time period. You can see the entry. This effectively disposes of any remaining doubts that McCain was born inside the Canal Zone.


I am tired of the right wing grasping at straws. (nm)
:p
Not if they have to pay thru the nose for
Or better yet, if the practice is stopped altogether.
Too bad we cant wiggle our nose
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cut off your nose to spite your face...
You better look beyond your bank account today at which you are asking for because if you get your way, you will NEVER have a bank account that is yours again. You will have nothing that will be your own. Socialism = public rather private ownership. In other words, if you have it, everyone else owns it! how's that for your bank account?
Obama and you thumb your nose at everything
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Get a room? Something on my nose? Simply

because I was polite to someone, chose to give one of the "nice" ones the benefit of the doubt while finding posts like yours uninformative, childish and a pure waste of keystrokes?


I agree, given the never-ending bitterness and hatefulness you have, it will all come back to bite you in the butt some day.  One usually gets back what they give.


How truly sad for you...... really! pulled by a nose ring..
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I've followed some of the cases that ACLU sticks their nose in and to know that they are somehow sm
linked to the Democratic Party scares me.  I do not see how they could defend NAMBLA if they are exploiting children.  It's a disgrace to say the least.
Doesn't matter.....she stuck her nose out first
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All bow down to the great far left. You all can't see your nose to spite

wow, wipe your nose off, the brown is showing!

 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


You are hysterical, like there is a REASON I would have to "brown nose" someone else?....sm
No, I think for myself, thanks a lot, why don't you wipe the SMUG off your face, because it is really unattractive. If I find someone's post cogent and agree, I feel free to post, just as you feel free to make crude, crass, ignorant posts, to each his/her own.
Really well-said; subsidy and help is one thing, turning your nose up at....sm
honest jobs for your family and obligations is another, I guess because I came from a farming family and you did what you had to do to survive and took great pride in doing so....is all that gone with past generations?? I fear life has been way to easy and "instant" for far too many, they do not know the meaning of the word sacrifice, which was what helped bring the country out of the Great Depression. Good post!
Those kind of folks can't see past their nose....
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Oh..........I seriously doubt that! Pulled by a nose ring!
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King Bush thumbs his nose at the Constitution...again
House: Did President knowingly sign law that didn't pass?

RAW STORY
Published: Wednesday March 15, 2006



Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA) has alleged in a letter to White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that President Bush signed a version of the Budget Reconciliation Act that, in effect, did not pass the House of Representatives.


Further, Waxman says there is reason to believe that the Speaker of the House called President Bush before he signed the law, and alerted him that the version he was about to sign differed from the one that actually passed the House. If true, this would put the President in willful violation of the U.S. Constitution.


The full text of the letter follows:



March 15, 2006


The Honorable Andrew Card


Chief of Staff


The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20500


Dear Mr. Card:


On February 8, 2006, President Bush signed into law a version of the Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 2005 that was different in substance from the version that passed the U.S. House of Representatives. Legal scholars have advised me that the substantive differences between the versions - which involve $2 billion in federal spending - mean that this bill did not meet the fundamental constitutional requirement that both Houses of Congress must pass any legislation signed into law by the President.


I am writing to learn what the President and his staff knew about this constitutional defect at the time the President signed the legislation.


Detailed background about the legislation and its constitutional defects are contained in a letter I sent last month to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, which I have enclosed with this letter.[1] In summary, the House-passed version of the legislation required the Medicare program to lease durable medical equipment, such as wheelchairs, for seniors and other beneficiaries for up to 36 months, while the version of the legislation signed by the President limited the duration of these leases to just 13 months. As the Congressional Budget Office reported, this seemingly small change from 36 months to 13 months has a disproportionately large budgetary impact, cutting Medicare outlays by $2 billion over the next five years.[2]


I understand that a call was made to the White House before the legislation was signed by the President advising the White House of the differences between the bills and seeking advice about how to proceed. My understanding is that the call was made either by the Speaker of the House to the President or by the senior staff of the Speaker to the senior staff of the President.


I would like to know whether my understanding is correct. If it is, the implications are serious.


The Presentment Clause of the U.S. Constitution states that before a bill can become law, it must be passed by both Houses of Congress.[3] When the President took the oath of office, he swore to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, which includes the Presentment Clause. If the President signed the Reconciliation Act knowing its constitutional infirmity, he would in effect be placing himself above the Constitution.


I do not raise this issue lightly. Given the gravity of the matter and the unusual circumstances surrounding the Reconciliation Act, Congress and the public need a straightforward explanation of what the President and his staff knew on February 8, when the legislation was signed into law.


Sincerely,


Henry A. Waxman Ranking Minority Member


Enclosure


[1] See Letter from Rep. Henry A. Waxman to Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (Feb. 14, 2006).


[2] See Letter from CBO Acting Director Donald Marron to Rep. John M. Spratt, Jr. (Feb. 13, 2006).


[3] U.S. Constitution, Article I, � 7.


In that case, I am truly impressed by her ability to get her nose up her own buttocks!
Maybe being a contortionist is her true calling in life!
Held my nose and watched the same O'Reilly blather
made his pathetic atempt to delcare war on the NY Times, Rasmussen, etc. This is what sore losers do when they feel themselves in freefall. O'Reilly got his drawers in an uproar because he and Focks are down in the ratings and is'nt used to the idea of being #3 behind Olbermann, Cooper et all. Poor Bill.
As long as US keeps sticking it's nose into Middle East politics
their puppet of destabilization, these unfortunate incidents will continue unabated. The oil belongs to them. It's our problem, not theirs.
Yep - thumb your nose at the world and defy the Geneva Convention
that ought to protect our troops to a great degree, huh? No different than Saddam. Do what you want in the name of "protecting" the "homeland." BS
nm and you thumb your nose at everying - common sense - killing this country.nm
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