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I figured using an article that was not biased by. . .s/m

Posted By: sm on 2009-04-16
In Reply to: And where do you get your statistics, other than Canada? - Zville MT

your so-called ""liberal spin"" might hold a little more credence.  After all, the Canadians don't have a partisan agenda and are just reporting the facts. 


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Uh-huh, better or biased?

makes if biased and

not worth reading. Kind of like getting "news" from Faux.  If you enjoy having all your misconceptions and radical opinions reinforced, you are using the right sources.  Me, I like fact-checked info that does not insist it has the One and Only Truth.


 


 


Could your post be any more biased?
There are just as many left wing smears and lies posted on the internet and just as many left wing news sources who twist the truth or only show good news of O and bad news of Mccain.

Everyone needs to research BOTH SIDES of the issues and then decide. Beware of links from ANYONE. No one is going to post a link that makes their choice look bad.

Sheesh.
Yeah? Well, almost everything else is biased for the
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ridiculous biased statement
He was a constitutional law professor for pete's sake. If there is any group trained to think on their feet, it is lawyers.   You are just making these things up with no basis..
MSNBC is the most biased of all the stations

Fox News was voted by the press to be the most fair in their reporting. They compared all the major stations and came up with an average of 40% of all reporting devoted to each side when reporting election news.


Other posters will state Fox is biased, but I have started watching that station and CNBC. I was MSNBC and the others when I need a laugh.


Yes, and condescending, biased, partisan.
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Four libs against 1 conservative...wow....how biased can that show be...sm
...that show is a joke.
The liberal media is biased in favor of Obama.....
Half this country believe in this so called savior, and I hold the media 90% responsible, and the ill-informed people will and are following blindly.

God help us.
It shows you have a biased opinion and a weak mind.
I'm sure the Hitler Youth loved their newsletter just as much as you hate-festering libs love your Huffington Post.

And you really need to spend a second to look up the definition of "terrorist."

If a "terrorist" was anyone who commits murder, your Saint Tiller (may his stinking corpse rot in his grave) is the prime example of a TERRORIST. 60,000 infants executed. And yet all you can focus on is your hate for anything Christian.

How pathetic.
For convention coverage minus spinning, bashing, biased

Tired of attack politics?  Don't need reporters telling you what you just saw or what to think about it?  Want a one-on-one convention experience?  Want to digest the content without the interference of disconcerting and distracting commentary?  Want to be in charge of deciding what is and what is not pertinent during the course of the conventions?  Do anchors and networks promoting their own hidden agendas get under your skin as they invent issues of no consequence, discount messages of great importance and try to stir up conflict?   Do you find most coverage obnoxious, rude and insulting to your intelligence?  Does their reporting look and sound like make believe?  Do you think our candidates, conventions, parties, issues, policies and political process deserve more dignity than a big-top circus/carnival presentation? 


 

The solution is easy.  Switch that channel.  Try CSPAN.  Not to worry.  If you feel you are missing something in the way of staying abreast with the pundit's play-by-play smear scripts, you can always get caught up on all those issues the next time you log onto MT Stars political forum. 
Uninformed Obama voters....brought to you by the biased media...sm
Unfortunately, I know a lot of people who voted for Obama, several of my relatives included....and they don't know even half of the answers to these questions either. They believe exactly what the media tells them to believe (or not to believe....)
Nope. Liberally-biased media wont let him fail.
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If I hear liberal garbage or biased media one more time I'm gonna
puke!!!!!!  It was an interesting article, nothing more, nothing less.  Taking offense at that article is a little like gasping at straws donchathink?
I would believe Nancy Pelosi before a biased reporter who is Republican, sounds like Palin, no facts
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You done figured it all out
Already coming up with conspiracy theories about losing even before losing the 2006 elections. Talk about defeatism. No wonder you all can't win elections. You defeat yourself before you even lose. If I was a Democrat and/or liberal I'd just buy a gun and shoot myself, because the world you all live in is pretty bleak.
yup - that's what I figured
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I figured seeing as
I figured I'd like many others. Close my eyes, spin around in circles, say there's no place like home, there's no place like home while listening to Farrakan profess about the messiah. I wanted to try to feel what it must feel like on the kool-aid without actually having to drink some. So turned on MSNBC to listen to them.

After being a grown up, it sure is hard to be a kid again.
You think they might have figured out hip-hop won't be enough?......nm
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That's what I figured
Can't argue with the truth.
That's what I figured. In fact,

it truly was a rhetorical question.


I figured he'd be right up your alley...
He'll argue a point to the death regardless if he is wrong.
Yeah, I figured it was that way...sm
Are they like that to Obama when they spoof him? Riduculing, I mean?

How were they to Hillary, nice or not

Just wondering, cuz I don't stay up to watch that kind of stuff anymore. I think every president I ever saw them make fun of, they were, well, making fun of them....usually in an slightly underhanded way. But hey, it's a spoof, I understood that. I especially remember Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan spoofs. Not kind at all.

Are they nice spoof to the dems?

Thanks if you answer....
I figured it must be really funny
Farley & Grammer were on O'Reilly (Friday) talking about it & naturally Bill's cameo in it.  It should be up on his w/s tomorrow.  I'll look for it and post it.  Otherwise, check it out. 

It's about time we get some "fair & balanced" comedy for a change.  That's why I never miss RedEye, either.
Sounds like you got it all figured out . . .

tell me where you got your crystal ball, 'cause I want one!


yea, I figured this would shut a few of them
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Have you figured out why the GOP imploded yet?
on how to save themselves from themselves? You really do have more important things to do with your time that make yourself look like a fool.
That's what I figured. - no message
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Haven't you figured out yet that

obviously according to JTBB that black people are allowed to be racist.  It is the white fold who aren't allowed to make any sort of comment against any other religion or race or their career will be in the dumpster.  Minorities are the only ones allowed to be racist vocally. 


To me....Rev. Wright is nothing but a racist black man who is bitter with a huge chip on his shoulder.  He says what he wants when he wants and obviously there is as reason why Obama was made to get away from him....even though he really didn't want to in the beginning.


Haven't you figured it out yet?
Some of these folks are so caught up in the Obama "blind" love affair, they can't focus on reality!!
Each brown place in the link takes you to a different article that supports this article...nm
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I figured that'd bring out the first-graders:)
Nice to know I'm not yet over-estimating the self-flagellating opposition.
Ahhh...okay...I finally figured out who you really are....
and now this makes sense. You hide behind different monikers and pitch a fit and attack posters personally because you are incapable of handling disagreement. Frankly, I am not insisting anyone play with me. That, again, had nothing to do with any liberal poster other than you...and I likened you to a spoiled child, which is obvious from your actions...hardly name calling. My original post, after which you went off on me for no good reason, merely stated I was going to respect what two of the posters here were complaining about, that they did not want conservatives coming here and *making* them defend their positions because they were good people and knew they were right. I said I would respect that and just read, although I did not really understand why someone secure in their view would mind presenting it while also respecting the right of someone to disagree. Yes, that is definitely extending an olive branch. There is no need to fight and there is certainly no need to make it personal like fighting kids in a schoolyard. And, typically, under whatever moniker you use, you swoop in with the snide personal attacks. I guess you just can't help yourself.

I said I used to enjoy coming to this board because there were liberals who posted here who WERE secure in their beliefs and did not mind a lively debate at all. We did not always agree, but in some cases we did, and we respected each other's opinions. And you know that, because when you took time out from personally attacking me and every other conservative who came to this board, I am sure you read some of those posts. Yes, I know you are going to deny that I know you...but I know you. You stand out, believe me, because even if you change your moniker, your style of posting gives you away. It is always *us* and *we* like you are speaking for every liberal who comes to this board. You just gotta be you, I guess. Well, if it makes you feel better to attack me, have at it. Knock yourself out. Enjoy!
Spongebob and Patrick? I figured as much. nm
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She's that young? I figured McCain was at

I figured you were talking economically, but it
sure wouldn't hurt any for us to get on our knees and ask for guidance from above. 
I figured your post was for me. I know I couldn't be the only one!
Thank you for standing with me!
I figured it out...because we didn't change his name...
With the collusion of the courts and some unknown official in Hawaii, this was all covered up, but it remains quite certain to this day that we DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE that Obama is even a natural-born citizen as requird for his office. If I absolutely HAD to bet everything on this question, I would bet he's not.
I figured out Silly Sally! See inside!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Silly+Sally


 


Have any of you pubs figured out why your party imploded,
your leadership deficit, whether your party is going more right or more central or what kind of paltform transplant you will be seeking? Let me give you a hint. Relentless Obama stalking, witch hunts and outlandish fabrications and criticisms did work real well for you in 2008. I'm with Just the Big Bad....you might want to rethink this strategy.
Well, Freethinker, if you haven't figured it out, this board is really into labels.
Though they will protest they aren't.  It's obvious from a look at this board why there are two boards.  
Well....good for you....you figured out that this is a democratically-dominated board...
profound grasp of the obvious. lol.
I guess she figured a way around that super majority thing, huh....
with no checks and balances from the minority, they will, in essence, make themselves a super ruling body, i.e., dictatorship, under Obama.


Heaven help us all.



I didn't watch that part. I figured it would be ridiculous. What's the scoop?
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So does someone's comment at the end of the article, discredit the whole article??
Unbelievable. 
Excuses, excuses - just what I figured.
Funny how it's only congress that prevents the democrats from keeping their promises but when we have a republican president it's always blamed directly on the president.

These issues I mentioned in my original post had nothing to do with congress. These were the O's decisions. He could have voted to repeal the Patriot Act and kept his campaign promise, but he didn't. He could have read through the spending bill before he signed it and gotten rid of the earmarks and kept his campaign promise. But no, these were his decisions.

But since we now have a democratic congress who are you going to blame for that?

Wow! Talk about double standards
Well, I don't know about this article...
I don't really have the time to sit and read it, but I will tell you that the ACLU has its tentacles ALL OVER the Democratic party, and they do some pretty repulsive things.  You might want to inform yourself of some of the stuff they defend.  Like the NAMBLA website that tells gay pedophiles how to seduce young boys.  They defend NAMBLA's right to that website, specifically with the court case filed by the Connecticut 10-year-old who was raped and murdered by some sicko who read that website and carried out his dastardly deed.  They've gone around the bend these days.  They used to be reasonable years ago, doing some good things.  But not anymore.
NYT article

This whole Rove thing is not about outing anyone, it is about the uranium and Wilson finding no evidence that Saddam was trying to buy it.  Great article.  Link is below.


 


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?incamp=article_popular


article
Why Bush Can't Answer Cindy
    By Marjorie Cohn
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective

    Thursday 18 August 2005

    Cindy Sheehan is still waiting for Bush to answer her question: What noble cause did my son die for? Her protest started as a small gathering 13 days ago. It has mushroomed into a demonstration of hundreds in Crawford and tens of thousands more at 1,627 solidarity vigils throughout the country.

    Why didn't Bush simply invite Cindy in for tea when she arrived in Crawford? In a brief, personal meeting with Cindy, Bush could have defused a situation that has become a profound embarrassment for him, and could derail his political agenda.

    Bush didn't talk with Cindy because he can't answer her question. There is no answer to Cindy's question. There is no noble cause that Cindy's son died fighting for. And Bush knows it.

    The goals of this war are not hard to find. They were laid out in Paul Wolfowitz's draft Pentagon Defense Planning Guidance in 1992, and again in the neoconservative manifesto - The Project for a New American Century's Rebuilding America's Defenses - in September 2000.

    Long before 9/11, the neocons proclaimed that the United States should exercise its role as the world's only superpower by ensuring access to the massive Middle East petroleum reserves. To accomplish this goal, the US would need to invade Iraq and establish permanent military bases there.

    If Bush were to give an honest answer to Cindy Sheehan's question, it would be that her son died to help his country spread US hegemony throughout the Middle East.

    But that answer, while true, does not sound very noble. It would not satisfy Cindy Sheehan, nor would it satisfy the vast majority of the American people. So, for the past several years, Bush and his minions have concocted an ever-changing story line.

    First, it was weapons-of-mass-destruction and the mushroom cloud. In spite of the weapons inspectors' admonitions that Iraq had no such weapons, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, and Bolton lied about chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Bush even included the smoking gun claim in his state of the union address: that Iraq sought to purchase uranium from Niger. It was a lie, because people like Ambassador Joe Wilson, who traveled to Niger to investigate the allegation, had reported back to Cheney that it never happened.

    The Security Council didn't think Iraq was a threat to international peace and security. In spite of Bush's badgering and threats, the Council held firm and refused to sanction a war on Iraq. The UN weapons inspectors asked for more time to conduct their inspections. But Bush was impatient.

    He thumbed his nose at the United Nations and invaded anyway. After the "coalition forces" took over Iraq, they combed the country for the prohibited weapons. But they were nowhere to be found.

    Faced with the need to explain to the American people why our sons and daughters were dying in Iraq, Bush changed the subject to saving the Iraqis from Saddam's torture chambers.

    Then the grotesque photographs emerged from Abu Ghraib prison outside of Baghdad. They contained images of US military personnel torturing Iraqis. Bush stopped talking about Saddam's torture.

    Most recently, Bush's excuse has been "bringing democracy to the Iraqi people." On June 28, 2004, he ceremoniously hailed the "transfer of sovereignty" back to the Iraqi people. (See Giving Iraqis What is Rightly Theirs). Yet 138,000 US troops remained in Iraq to protect US "interests."

    And Iraq's economy is still controlled by laws put in place before the "transfer of sovereignty." The US maintains a stranglehold on foreign access to Iraqi oil, private ownership of Iraq's resources, and control over the reconstruction of this decimated country.

    For months, Bush hyped the August 15, 2005 deadline for Iraqis to agree on a new constitution. But as the deadline came and went, the contradictions between the Shias, Sunnis and Kurds over federalism came into sharp focus. The Bush administration admitted that "we will have some form of Islamic republic," according to Sunday's Washington Post.

    So much for Bush's promise of a democratic Iraq.

    The constitutional negotiations are far removed from the lives of most Iraqis. When journalist Robert Fisk asked an Iraqi friend about the constitution, he replied, "Sure, it's important. But my family lives in fear of kidnapping, I'm too afraid to tell my father I work for journalists, and we only have one hour in six of electricity and we can't even keep our food from going bad in the fridge. Federalism? You can't eat federalism and you can't use it to fuel your car and it doesn't make my fridge work."

    Fisk reports that 1,100 civilian bodies were brought into the Baghdad morgue in July. The medical journal The Lancet concluded in October 2004 that at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians had died in the first 18 months after Bush invaded Iraq.

    Unfortunately, the picture in Iraq is not a pretty one.

    Bush knows that if he talked to Cindy Sheehan, she would demand that he withdraw from Iraq now.

    But Bush has no intention of ever pulling out of Iraq. The US is building the largest CIA station in the world in Baghdad. And Halliburton is busily constructing 14 permanent US military bases in Iraq.

    George Bush knows that he cannot answer Cindy Sheehan's question. There is no noble cause for his war on Iraq.





    Marjorie Cohn, a contributing editor to t r u t h o u t, is a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, executive vice president of the National Lawyers Guild, and the US representative to the executive committee of the American Association of Jurists.
article
My mom, not Cindy Sheehan, is Bush’s biggest problem


Thursday, August 25, 2005

By John Yewell/City Editor

With Cindy Sheehan gone home to take care of her stroke-stricken mom, President Bush can enjoy the last week of his Texas vacation free of the distraction of her encampment outside his ranch. But a grieving liberal mom whose son died in Iraq demanding an audience may not be Bush’s biggest problem.

His biggest problem may be my mom.

My mother is a lifelong Republican. She got it from her father, a yellow-dog Republican if ever there was one. As unofficial GOP godfather of Fillmore, Calif., he collected absentee ballots every election for his large family and marked them himself. No sense in taking chances that someone might vote for a Democrat.

So when my mother called me the other day and told me she was considering registering as a Democrat, I was, well, stunned. Somewhere in a cemetery plot near Fillmore a body is spinning.

For the last year or more my mother has been gradually expressing ever greater exasperation with President Bush, the war, and the religious right. “Have you heard about this James Dobson guy?” she asked me on the phone, referring to the head of Focus on the Family. “If they overturn Roe vs. Wade, that’ll be it for me,” she said.

Then she mentioned Cindy Sheehan.

For all the efforts to discredit Ms. Sheehan, what she accomplished in drawing attention to the human cost of the war, if my mother’s opinion is any indication, crossed party lines. There’s a Mom Faction in American politics, and while it isn’t a monolithic Third Rail, it’s at least and second-and-a-half rail. When their children are dying on a battlefield of choice, you touch it at your peril.

My mother has her fingers on the pulse, and scalps, of many such women. She’s a hairdresser with a clientele that has been coming to her regularly for decades. Now grandmothers, these women were moms during Vietnam, in which over 50,000 American sons and daughters died. They worried then about their kids’ safety, now they’re worried about grandkids - theirs or someone else’s. Most are pretty mainstream, most Republican, and most, my mother tells me, pretty much fed up with George Bush.

There is other evidence of trouble on the Republican horizon. According to the latest compilation of state polls produced 10 days ago by surveyusa.com, of the 31 states Bush won in 2004, he now enjoys plurality job approval in only 10. This includes a 60 to 37 percent disapproval rate in the key state of Ohio, and a 53 to 44 disapproval rate in Florida.

A recent assessment from the influential and scrupulously nonpartisan Cook Political Report reads: “Opposition to and skepticism about the war in Iraq has reached its highest level, boosted by increased American casualties, a lack of political progress inside the country and growing signs of an imminent civil war. Given the centrality of the Iraq War to the Bush presidency and re-election, a cave-in of support for the president on the war would be devastating to his second-term credibility and influence.”

If Republicans are wondering where Cook is finding this “cave-in of support,” they could start looking in worse places than my mother’s one-chair salon, where Cindy Sheehan found sympathetic ears.

According to various reports, Bush and his team concluded that granting Sheehan an audience would only have encouraged other malcontents to demand similar attention from the president. Whatever the rationale, the decision alienated the clientele of Natalie’s Beauty Shoppe.

In the end my mother decided against changing her registration. Any criticism she might have of Bush, she decided, would be more credible if she stayed in the party, a sophisticated conclusion I admire and applaud.

Although Democrats can’t count on being the automatic beneficiaries of such dissatisfaction, Bush’s refusal to acknowledge fault, his “because I’m the Daddy and I say so” attitude, doesn’t work for a lot of women anymore. Women resent being patronized, and that’s how many view the president’s treatment of Cindy Sheehan.

The next election may be 14 months away, but when my mom and a lot of others like her walk into their voting booths, they may well be reflecting on their children and their choices, and which party is less likely to put either in harm’s way.

John Yewell is the city editor of the Hollister Free Lance. He can be reached at jyewell@freelancenews.com.


It's the name of an article. Hello??? nm