I think everyone is misunderstanding what he means...
Posted By: Love shorthand on 2008-10-24
In Reply to: Redistribution of wealth... - sm
he does not mean he is going to level the playing field of rich and middle class, he is going to tax the wealthy who have so many loop holes to keep every penny and we are (the low middle class) are paying without all those lucrative benefits. If the wealthy (or over 250,000 income) start paying their fair share and we get lower taxes (i mean you do have to pay taxes to get a tax break), after all, Obama is not going to stand on the street corner and hand out money he gets from the wealthy. I wonder how much in taxes Richard Fuld paid, he has made a billion dollars off the crash (actually before the credit catastrophe, knowing it was going to crash). Bet he didn't pay much in taxes.
Use common sense.
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Perhaps there was a misunderstanding. (sm)
And if there was, I apologize. Was up all night, on some pretty heavy pain meds right now and trying to stay out of the hospital (again).
I don't disagree with the OP. My post was more of a "Pot, meet Kettle" post.
As I tried to point out in my post, the right wing has been boycotting TV shows, advertisers, etc. for many, many years now, but as soon as a liberal suggests that we do the same thing, it outrages them.
As far as keeping her on TV (and giving her her own show), I believe daylight is the best disinfectant. She's already associated with the rabid right, and the more she speaks, the more she speaks for THEM. If they continue to accept her, all things hateful that spew from her mouth will come back to bite THEM in the butt.
(I apologize for my first post maybe not being clear enough. Although I'm not sure that this one is much better, I hope it is, because I believe you and I are on the same side.) 
I think it's a misunderstanding (sm)
Obama's bill to fund Volunteer America includes funds to establish a commission that, among other things, will consider the possibility of making volunteerism mandatory for that age group - if you can believe that. My guess it will never get past the American public.
No misunderstanding. Just don't happen to
This probably all started with a 7-yo misunderstanding his teacher.nm
Let me straighten one thing out....there seems to be a misunderstanding here...
this is not a matter of passing a children's health plan. The SCHIP program has been around for several years. This is the year it was due to expire. What the squabble is about is how to continue it. The Democrats do not just want to continue it, they want to expand it. It is already overrun with a gazillion illegal's kids. The income requirements are not being enforced like they should. Bush and the Republicans wanted that tightened up. They asked the Democrats to vote to extend the program for another 6 months to a year as it stands right now (nothing changes) and come up with a plan that would better monitor the income requirements and would make it harder if not impossible for illegal aliens to get their kids on the program. I, frankly, do not see why the Democrats would stonewall that, other than to get the headlines they wanted: BUSH THREATENS TO VETO THE CHILDRENS HEALTH PLAN. Sighhhh.
I wouldn't call it misunderstanding. s/m
It's..........well, words fail me. Someone keeps mentioning sheep. This country seems to be overladed with sheep. Whether or not anyone believes Obama will do what he says is one thing. He won't and neither will McCain. I happen to agree with everything Michael Moore said last night. Maybe we really need a radical in the White House!!!
As for Obama's taxes on the wealthy.......did anyone happen to watch Bill Gates testifying before the Senate because he needs more visas so he can have more cheap labor. Doncha think he's about wealthy enough?
As I've said before, and I say again, until people stop supporting the party and start using common sense things are only going to change for the worse. When will enough "worse" be enough? Regardless of who is elected, I expect the rabid Republicans will be sitting homeless by the side of the road holding up signs saying "vote for the Republican" in 2012.
Not a problem - thought it was just a misunderstanding (nm)
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That's the word- thanks & JTBB new it was just a misunderstanding
Thanks - that was the word. Dontch just hate it when you can't think of the word and then try spelling the word you can't think of. HA HA Don't think I quite stated my point to begin with. Boy guess that's what I get for trying to make a statement while being exhausted. :-) Okay, now I need a margarita. :-)
I think there's a big misunderstanding about universal health care
And anyone that has had the cheapest medical insurance you can get knows this - just because you have insurance doesn't mean you're covered. It might cover doctor visits for sinus infections and such, along with certain prescription medications, but like the poster above said, God forbid you need something serious because the government can turn you down just as easily as an insurance company.
A friend of mine moved to the US from Canada because she found a lump in her breast. Her doctor in Canada told her to keep an eye on it and come back in six months. She waited and went back and the doctor told her he wanted to do a biopsy and to come back in four months for that. She came to the US for a second opinion, got a biopsy, was diagnosed with breast cancer, had surgery and recieved chemotherapy all in the four months it would have taken her to just have the biopsy in Canada. She has since become a citizen of the US and gave up her citizenship of Canada just for that reason. She is now a 6 year cancer survivor.
I don't want to see that kind of thing happen in this country and that's what we would get with universal health care. Agreed that something has to be done about the prices of medical treatment, but to put the government in charge of it is not the right way to go.
I think you know what she means...nm
Oh, by all means, it is I who thank you.
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This means nothing to me
I have seen this and it has been debated as naseum.
As far as winning in Iraq, I am not sure what we are supposed to win.
And please, don't EVER call me your DEAR again. Keep your patronizing on our own board.
Thank you.
It means nothing to you. sm
Yes, by all means, save your anger for being called dear when there it is posted in black and white what the antiwar movement did to our soldiers in Vietnam. Lord love a duck, but I have seen it all now.
Oh, I know what it means....
It is just an uneducated, goofy thing to say...that's all. And you should apologize to all those "grandmas" on this site who you just offended. You are so negative! 
Thanks - that means a lot
Was wondering if anyone would comment. I always question what the government feeds us, but I truly never have in my entire life ever heard our enemies say they hate us because we are free. I always think - how absurd. They just want us to leave them along and stop imposing our viewpoints on them. Thanks again.
I did not know what this means
I'm not sure if you're implying this is a good thing or not and because I didn't know what it means I looked it up. I'll write what I found out and then you can tell me if you think its a good thing or not.
Black theology refers to a variety of Christian theologies which has at its base in the liberation of the marginalized, especially the injustice done towards blacks in American and South African contexts. Black theology mixes liberation theology and the work of Paulo Freire with the civil rights and black power movements.
I had to keep researching certain terms in this because it was still confusing, so I looked up liberation theology and it states that liberation theology is a school of theology within Christianity, particularly in the Roman Catholic Church. Two of the starting points of Liberation theology are first, the question of the original sin, and second, the idea that Christians should make good use of the talents given by God, and that includes intelligence in a general sense, and in particular science.
I then looked up who Paulo Freire is and it says he was a brazilian educator and influential theorist of education. He became familiar with poverty and hunger during the 1929 depression and these experiences shaped his concerns for the poor and would help to construct his particular educational viewpoint.
There's way to much information on both these topics to write here, but to me it sounds like another positive for the Obama's Trinity Unity Church.
Sure you can. :) Means I am doing something right. lol. nm
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It means something to me. Obviously not to you....
stop reading my posts if they aggravate you so much. It is a free country. No one is forcing your little mouse to click but you.
Well, that certainly means you are NOT
me his character. Show me one close friend in his past without a shady background, one he does not have to defend. Everyone who has touched his life and made any sort of impression on him has warped his character. Yet, no one who is enamored with him seems to care. They do not care that he stands for nothing, they cannot tell you what his plans for this country are or how he is going to accomplish them. And, they certainly do not want to listen to anything from his past.
Ah, that means you definitely know one or more
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maybe she means
congress???
no it means
that I don't wish to spend the time to indulge you
By all means...............sm
let me get that door for you.
It means......
Why didn't you run for election, YOU MIGHT HAVE BECOME THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO BE ABLE TO EVEN TELL THE 44TH PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, BARACK OBAMA, WHAT TO DO.
I guess that when it comes to foreign policy you are in the la-la-land.
It means I won't lie....
But because "several in your town" exist, presumably, that doesn't make you an expert except for maybe in your own grandiose dreams.
Oh, by all means...
Let's jump on this bandwagon instead of discussing the train wreck that IS in the White House.
And, to be honest, this post does NOT deserve to be on the political board. It has nothing to do with politics, just the sore winner Dems continuing to skewer the loser. Palin LOST, people. Let it go.
What she means to say....(sm)
is that I am one of a handful of liberals left on this board. Most everyone else is a republican, so therefore anything I say on here is typically not understood, taken out of context, or simply replied to in terms of character assassination, like the post that I'm responding to now. Just look down the board and you'll see what I'm talking about.
russell means
Russell Means Visits Camp Casey II
Means Says He Understands Power Of Women
By Gene Ellis
ICONOCLAST REPORTER
CAMP CASEY II — Russell Means’ appearance on the stage at Camp Casey II in Crawford yesterday was a surprise to many. For background on this famous Indian (who eschews the government term “Native American”), see brief additional biographical information at the end of this story.
Means, a long-time activist, arrived in Central Texas to support the efforts of Cindy Sheehan and her Iraq war protestors. He well understands the power of women. He spoke, both on stage and in a later interview with the Iconoclast, of the matriarchal society of the American Indian.
Motherhood in America has an inkling of the meaning of this, Means mused, but the Indians live it.
He explained that in a family, the mother is the only member who cannot be replaced. Women live longer than men, can stand more pain, have more endurance, he said. At about this point, Means introduced his wife, Pearl, and received a hug from Joan Baez, who was sitting on the floor of the stage with Cindy Sheehan, listening to Means’ remarks.
Means said that America has a patriarchal society where men rule alone and in fear of the unknown because they are alone. Matriarchy, he pointed out, is not fear-based. In a matriarchal society, each sex is celebrated for its strengths, and there is local control, male/female balance.
During the later interview with the Iconoclast, Means made a point of saying that he is sincere about women taking control of their power, providing a balanced and positive culture. The Blue and Gold Star mothers have an innate understanding of matriarchy, according to Means, even though, as members of a patriarchal society, they have been brainwashed for many years.
In a matriarchal society, all must be responsible.
“If the government of this country imposes so many rules, we feel no responsibility for ourselves, and we become careless,” said Means. To illustrate his point, he used the example of the lack of traffic rules in Italy. Because there are no rules, each person must take it upon his or herself to be responsible, not to be careless, to ensure his or her own safety.
When asked to speak about military recruiters targeting low-income youths, including Indians, Means said that it follows the history of a patriarchal society that the poor kids are to be the common fodder. Even after the Civil War, when Americans wouldn’t join the military, European immigrants were pulled off boats and forced to do two years of subscripted service to obtain citizenship. The poor are always a target for military induction, Means concluded.
Means reiterated that if men rule alone in their citadels of power, they are fearful.
A libertarian, Means paraphrased George Washington, “Government is force, nothing more, nothing less.”
Means added to this his own thoughts, “This government is evil. How can patriots support a president over the Constitution? That is treason. The purpose of the first amendment is to encourage dissent. Without dissent, it is impossible to live free.”
His comments were reminiscent of Margaret Mead’s quote that has graced the back of many a tee shirt in Crawford over the last two weeks. It reads, “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”
The Los Angeles Times has described Russell Means as the most famous American Indian since Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse.
Means is a life-long indigenous rights/constitutional rights activist, actor, artist, and author. His best selling autobiography “Where White Men Fear to Tread” is currently on its eighth printing. He has a doctorate in Indian Studies, and is also a practicing attorney on the Sioux Indian Reservation in South Dakota.
For more than 30 years, Means has remained active with the American Indian Movement and has traveled and lectured extensively throughout the world while working for over 12 years with the United Nations.
Means became the first national director of The American Indian Movement (AIM). He is known for helping lead his people to stand against the United States government at the Siege of Wounded Knee in 1973.
His vision is for indigenous people to be free — free to be human, free to travel, free to shop, free to trade where they choose, free to choose their own teachers — free to follow the religion of their fathers, free to talk, think and act for themselves, and then, says Means, they will obey every law or submit to the penalty.
About The Siege at Wounded Knee, he wrote, “Our aim at Wounded Knee was to force the U.S. government to live up to its own laws. From that, one can draw the real lesson of our stand there: It is the duty of every responsible American to ensure that their government upholds the spirit and the laws of the United States Constitution. After all, what freedom really means is that you are free to be responsible.”
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RUSSELL MEANS (right) gets a hug from singer Joan Baez at Camp Casey II on Saturday.
— Iconoclast Photo By Gene Ellis
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Please enlighten me as to what it means.
Considering we will never leave Iraq if Bush plans on placing a permanent military base there.
Actually no, that isn't what Neocon means at all. sm
And I wasn't the one who wrote the things you are responding to, but here is a really good definition of Neocon and perhaps you can see why AG and I and others have stridently objected to being labeled Neocon in the past. Though I have some Neocon friends and I admire most of their beliefs, I am no Neocon. Neither, for that matter, is President Bush, who has been labeled a neocon ad nauseum on these boards.
From Chris Jones:
It would appear that you are unfamiliar with the history of the neo-conservative movement, a history which explains why some folks associate it with Jews and why the use of “neo-con” as a pejorative seems to some to smell of anti-Semitism.
The original “neo-conservatives” were a group of left-of-center intellectuals who became disillusioned with their liberal politics and became conservatives — mostly, but not exclusively, on foreign policy and national security issues. Many, but not all, of these intellectuals were Jewish, and the “center of gravity” of the nascent neo-conservative movement was Commentary magazine and its editors and writers. Prominent among the early neo-conservatives were Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz (who are Jewish) and Jeanne Kirkpatrick (who is (I think) a Gentile). Commentary magazine played the role in the neo-conservative movement that was played by National Review in the broader conservative intellectual movement of the 1960s and 1970s.
The contemporary conservative journalists Bill Kristol and John Podhoretz are the sons of the early neo-conservatives Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz.
The defining characteristic of neo-conservatism, properly so called, is a belief in a robustly activist foreign policy by people who were formerly left-of-center. The movement is associated with Jewish-ness because many of its early leading lights happened to be Jews; but Jewish-ness is accidental to the movement, not characteristic of it. To use “neo-con” as a sort of vaguely anti-Semitic slur is not only dishonorable, but a misuse of language. That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen, though.
Regardless, this means we kill them all?
It is their right to live the way they chose. We can't go attacking every one who is a possible threat on more levels than I'm going to go into here. I would rather see our leaders spend the time and money on securing things here rather than wage war there. We are just formulating more hatred. We CAN change whether we are the ones in the war by not going to war, and I shall not blindly trust our leaders to do the right thing because it has been proven time and again that they rarely do.
UM BEFORE YOU KNOW YOUR PREGNANT MEANS...
before you've missed a period! you totally contradicted yourself. i never said at the instant of sex you're pregnant. I said the heart is beating before "MOST" women know they are pregnant, and you JUST VALIDATED MY POINT!!! even going as far as to say they are developing at week 4! (which is when women miss their periods) you do know how this works don't you?
Never noticed that before. Not that it means anything of course.....
but it IS freaky. lol.
By all means....don't view it. You might actually have to really know...
what you support. Can't have that, can you?
Of course not. It just means she doesn't use it herself.
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Obviously means there is no documentation....
other than dailykos or huffpost (good book of the left).
Basically what that means is (sm)
that the Dems have a majority so the Repubs can fillibuster all they want to, but when it comes to the final vote, if every Dem votes yes and every Repub votes no, the yes vote goes through because there would be more yes votes. It's just that there are more Dems than Repubs - they have the majority vote, just not enough to stop a fillibuster.
What 'change' means to me:
1) A government that works FOR and WITH American citizens, not AGAINST them.
2) At least an ATTEMPT to balance the budget. With all this country has to offer, we should be coming out AHEAD each year, not borrowing money.
3) Elected officials doing what they were elected to do, not lining their own pockets at the expense of the country's CITIZENS.
4) American workers being valued enough to be offered jobs with a good living wage and benefits package, and incentives for performance. NOT forcing everyone to be part-time/OC/or to work for pennies on the dollars their work is really worth.
5) In this country business has the freedom to begin, and if lucky, to grow from small to big, to HUGE. That good fortune should come with more responsibility. Part of the reason they're so successful is that they're in America. Part of the rewards of that success should in turn go into improving the infrastructure of the towns, states, and country, and more importantly, the WORKERS who make it possible for them to do business at all.
6) Somewhere along the line, this country has forgotten that our constitutional right to 'freedom of religion' ALSO means 'freedom FROM religion', for those of us who don't want it continually shoved down our throats. And it most definitely does NOT belong in the government. It belongs in the hearts & homes of its believers, and in church. NOT in the White House.
7) Change means not selling this country lock, stock and barrel to every country with lots of money to spend. It means not selling your soul or stomping & squashing the 'little guy' for the almighty buck.
8) Change means bringing some hope back to America again. Right now, and for the past 8 years, I personally have had no hope. I've watched my wages shrivel, as the expectations of how much work Im expected to produce per hour continues to go up. I've watched my rent grow, and the square footage of the apartments/studios I've rented go down and down. I've watched my car grow old before its time because I have no money to take care of it. I've had to do without seeing family members because there's nothing left over at the end of each month to afford to travel even a couple hundred miles. I have NO hope of ever seeing my family in Europe again. Unless there's a huge turnaround in the country & our economy, my flying days are OVER.
9) Change means taking care of our soldiers. If you're going to send them into harm's way, as we've done with so many these past years, then by golly, TAKE CARE OF THEM when they come home again. American soldiers should be:
a) Paid what they're worth, so their families don't starve while they're serving.
b) Not be lied to about when their tours of duty end.
c) They should be sent to war with the FINEST of equipment, not decrepit old stuff that's breaking down and risking their lives. And the fact that some have no bullet-proof vests, and their family ends up having to supply one for them, is a national disgrace. They should have the best of everything, not the worst.
d) When they're injured, they should get the BEST medical care, not what they're currently getting. Their benefits should take care of them and their families comfortably, not leave them in poverty.
10) And finally, change means taking care of our SENIOR CITIZENS. Most have worked hard all their lives, and too many are living in poverty. We boomers are in for a shock, 'cause lots of us will NEVER retire. We'll be working 2 jobs to make ends meet because our SS (IF we even get any) won't even pay for our gas each month. If we are going to be more and more resonsible for our own retirement, then we should be paid a wage that actually allows us to fund our IRA's each month, and not watch them languish, ignored & unfunded, as I've been doing for the last 10 years because my job now only pays enough to keep a roof over my head TODAY. But TOMORROW? The way things have been going the last 8 years, I find it harder and harder to even believe there will BE a tomorrow. When this place gets too expensive to rent, the next roof over my head will most likely be my CAR.
So the biggest CHANGE I'd like to see in this country is an administration that sees the big picture, sees how REAL Americans have to scrape by, and not just how things are up on Capitol Hill.
sm means see message, nm means no message
The other names you mentioned are of course people posting on this board. There are a billion names you can use. Some use their first name, some use their initials, some use nicknames and some who don't want to type a message inside will split the response and put part in the subject and the other part in the name. Use whatever name you want to. What's the problem with that?
means he went on vacation ...
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Oh yeah by all means
let's not give health care to those who are fat, smoke or whatever. News bulletin, I smoke, I'm overweight and I don't exercise. I'm also 65 years old and probably as healthy as you are. By all means let's weight people at the door of grocery stores to see if they're too fat to eat and ring a bell every morning at 7 a.m. and let everyone start doing pushups and for sure let's everyone quit smoking which people have been doing for hundreds of years and see if health costs go down. They won't.
That means you may be partial to SP?
if you don't care about experience?
Means nothing if they do not keep their word!!!
LOL
Ohhh I see. Well since it is nothing new, by all means, let's...
just expand it. That is the bottom Obama is talking about? All I see is incentive to get to the bottom instead of away from it.
She has it right - evidently you don't know what it means
In Wikipedia: In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation.
Dictionary.com: 1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
For sure Obama is committing treason.
Whether he gets in or not Hillary Clinton should file a law suit against him. She understand the country better than he does and would make our country a better. We all know whose skeletons are in Hillary's closet. Obama's are just starting to come out.
If they lose I truly hope to hear of a lawsuit as Obama's lies will be what causes them to lose and the democrats a chance of getting in.
Please tell me what "sheeple" means
Sorry for being so clueless, but I haven't heard this term before. Was curious what it meant.
Pro-choice means...
that women have the right to decide whether or not they would have an abortion. It not only allows women who would prefer an abortion to have one, but also allows those who would choose to have the baby just that.....a choice. Regardless of what your choice might be and regardless of why you made that decision, you do have the right to make that choice. That's called not forcing your beliefs on others. I find it offensive that abortion is even an issue for government at all. When was the last time someone questioned whether or not a man should be a father? We aren't cattle where someone has to make the decision of whether or not to thin the herd, we're people!
pro choice - what it means
you can call it what you want, pro choice usually means you take away a life.
ROFL...Please by all means....(sm)
show me 1 athiest politician and I'll show you 500 christian politicians. Yeah, we're sooo in control.
Hey, when you get through talking to my child in heaven be sure and go over and talk to the ones who were dumped in trash cans because their mothers couldn't get abortions, or better yet go talk to the women who died by coat-hanger ...ooops...I guess they would be in he11
This is pointless and a waste of my time.
I think what the poster means (sm)
and I'm just taking a guess here, but trickle up poverty would be taking the money from the rich and giving it to the poor and this would make us all equally poor. Of course there would be exceptions, such as those in government who can keep voting themselves raises, etc. While I agree that the CEOs of most companies take way too much and could stand a little downsizing, the fact is that these are the same companies that provide jobs for the rest of us.
Let's take a large MTSO for example. If they have to start paying more in taxes (let's say what would equate to 3 cpl), where do you think they're going to make up the extra money? They're either going to cut jobs, cut cpl for their MTs, or ship more jobs over to India. Even if you're getting your "redistribution check" from the government, if you don't have a job or have a job that pays you 4 cpl, you're still going to be poor.
IMHO, the answer is to try to keep more jobs in the US instead of Mexico, China, etc, so more people can actually work. NAFTA needs some serious reworking so that it's actually profitable to keep jobs here rather than ship them overseas - that way, no one would have to be dependent on the government and trickle down or trickle up wouldn't even be an issue because we'd all be employed and making our own way.
I am by no means fuming at all.
Regardless of whether or not President Obama's "black gene" is more dominant than the "white gene" doesn't really matter to me. I wouldn't care if the guy was purple with orange spots to be honest with you. If you were offended by my half n half comment, I do apologize. I just meant that he is half black and half white with a African father and a Caucasian mother. I am really shocked that you found me "fuming." I do believe I had a "LOL" in my post, but whatever.
You have missed my point entirely. I just meant that so many black people talk about not trusting white people and most of them seem so gracious to have "one of them" as the president. But when you look at the facts, his heritage, and where and how he was raised.....to me he doesn't fit the (a please do not take offense to this) "typical" black persona or at least the persona I often hear blacks talk about with their lives.....living in the hood, etc.
To be quite honest, I also don't understand why black people can use the N-word and not bat an eyelash but if a white person says it.......oh my. I personally think neither side should say it as it is offensive to me....period. Just another example of double standards.
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