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I would think if they bring them here, when they "let them loose", they would send 'em home

Posted By: Amanda on 2008-12-17
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We don't bring it up to dismiss Bush, we bring it up...
to show that your criticism holds no water.  It's not a political thing, it's a human thing.  People have shortcomings.  Now, if you want to have a statute of limitations on this thing, then I guess Bush is off the table as it's been about 20 years since his last drink, believe it or not (I know that's your next reply, that he still drinks, which you have no proof of so don't even try it).
"Let them eat cake." sm
That was what Marie Antoinette said to the peasants. And what happened to her?? She lost her head. Eventually the little people will get some of theirs back...I just hope I am still around to see it happen.
I didn't send you anywhere. Can't send you anywhere that...
doesn't exist can I? This is all academic isn't it? And even if it did exist, I don't have the power to send you anywhere. That being said, I have a somewhat different opinion of the bad place with fire and stuff than some....but that is another story....lol.
"Let older Americans die without care" is not what he said - it is an outright lie
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And...Again......(date) - "let the market take care of it?" - we've seen how well that work

McCain's Emission-Reduction Plan Receives Favorable Review


by: Frank Carlson






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Posted August 11, 2008 | 11:43 AM (EST)


As U.S. Senators Barack Obama and John McCain begin their long descent into tit-for-tat rhetorical games, it's easy to forget key issues the two still broadly agree on: federally funded stem-cell research; nuclear nonproliferation; comprehensive immigration reform; faith-based social services; and global warming.


Obama and McCain agree that human-induced global warming exists and even on the system America should adopt to counteract it -- cap and trade, a plan that sets a limit (cap) on the amount of greenhouse gases emitted by manufacturers and power plants, for example, and then hands out credits that polluters can trade among themselves to pull themselves within the legal limits. Heavy emitters of greenhouse gases have to buy credits from low-level emitters. Cap-and-trade plans reward all sides for reducing emissions. Low-level emitters reduce in order to pile up additional credits to sell and high-level emitters reduce in order to spend less on credits.


Where Obama and McCain disagree on the plan concerns the role of the government, specifically how the government should allocate permits to companies. And unlike the current, silly spat over tire pressure gauges, this one matters.


Obama favors a full auction of the credits, which would act like a tax on companies, collecting a great deal of money right off the bat for the government to redistribute. This cash, he says, could go to alternative energy research and projects, then the credits would go to markets.


McCain says he would dole out permits in much the same way proposed by the Climate Security Act of 2007. That act failed in June to receive enough Senate support to even bring to a vote, but the basics are the same: Give the great majority of the permits away, and let the market set the price to support investment.


Here is where conventional political lines become blurred.


If you favor a more free market approach, McCain's plan may be for you because the government would collect far less money from businesses for redistribution. But if you're spooked by special interests, political favors for lobbyists and political corruption--as McCain says he is--then perhaps you side with Obama's strategy.


So what does Richard Sandor, architect of the wildly successful cap and trade system for reducing sulfur dioxide(SO2) and now CEO of the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), say?


He's for a partial auction of credits like the one McCain is backing.


"If you look at full auctioning of permits, what happens?" Sandor asked reporters during a recent interview at his office near the Board of Trade in downtown Chicago. "The day that they are auctioned, you have a net transfer of wealth from the private sector to the public sector at that moment. What, then, happens to climate change? Nothing has happened. You have just had a transfer of wealth.
Climate Exchange, the first voluntary but legally
binding market for trading emissions in North America.


It's better to let the private sector decide where the money should go, Sandor says, which is why he's against a carbon tax. And, he adds, there is precedent for believing so.


"The program that's worked is SO2," Sandor said. "Some amount of auctioning is, I think, OK. We will implement whatever the government does. We don't have an official opinion, but I'm guided by the SO2 program and how it accomplished its objectives so cheaply that that's the way to do it."


Sandor insisted the CCX is not a policy-making entity and that it will implement any system lawmakers put forth. Much like pilots, he said, the CCX will fly whichever planes the engineers--or rather, politicians--design.


"If you design it wrong," he said, "you may have to go 30 extra miles, you may have some accidents, or crashes, and we really speak to the efficacy of the design and leave public policy to the people who are policy makers in Washington. We're not advocates."


The CCX is currently North America's only voluntary but legally binding platform for trading carbon and other emissions. Even without a mandatory cap and trade system in the U.S., many companies have already begun to reduce their emissions in the hopes of improving their public image and perhaps reaping revenues through emissions reductions.


While Sandor explains why he's against Obama's plan for the full auction of credits, his greatest priority is getting mandatory cap and trade in place, whatever the framework. Undoubtedly, this would be a great boon to the CCX, and Sandor believes it is coming.


"Both candidates, McCain and Obama, have publicly embraced it," Sandor said. "I believe in their hearts that they're committed to reducing global warming and see it as a major threat. Is it inevitable? I think so. Could there be bumps? Yes."


Those bumps, worries Sandor, include a terrorist attack that could dislodge global warming from the political agenda in favor of dealing with more immediate problems.


"And that's the nightmare scenario that I worry about because it's easy to not worry about intergenerational problems when you have immediate security needs," he says. "And I'm not suggesting that they aren't more important. In fact, they are. But the thing that will slip will be the longer-based horizon, and I think that's a danger that we have."As U.S. Senators Barack Obama and John McCain begin their long descent into tit-for-tat rhetorical games, it's easy to forget key issues the two still broadly agree on: federally funded stem-cell rese...



As U.S. Senators Barack Obama and John McCain begin their long descent into tit-for-tat rhetorical games, it's easy to forget key issues the two still broadly agree on: federally funded stem-cell rese...

Go home Obama! Go home McCain!
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No wonder they don't let her loose with the media.
coached, rehearsed, restrictive and repetitive responses. It's like one of five answers fits all or is interchangeable between questions. How many times did she call him "Charlie?" So watch. Instead of "my friends," she's a first-namer. Did I hear the word nookuler, or am I just imagining that? Shallow. No suprise there.
Loose cannons....sm
I somehow don't see Russia, North Korea, Iran, and all the communist/socalist radicals, falling into line for world govt any time soon. Some of them would more than likely lob off a nuclear weapon or two, not that I want to see that happen, but that scenario jumps to the forefront, rather than world union, more in my imagination.....



And having the leaders of Iran, Russia and North Korea doing welcoming overtures to meet with Obama before even in office, really, really does not give me a warm, fuzzy feeling.....
Loose change....(sm)

How many of you have seen the video "Loose change," and what did you think about it?  If you haven't seen it, I"ve provided a link below.  Warning...this is a really long video- a little over an hour long, but I thought well worth it.  Whether you agree with it or not, it really makes you think.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE


911 Video Loose Change
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change+2nd+edition&pl=true
Quick! Someone call the pound. AG's pit bull broke loose from

don't stock investors have a lot to loose if dems get in the white house again?
just asking because this company's business is investments and stocks
To counter the DNC assertion that only McCain plays fast and loose with the truth...

apparently he is not alone.


HMMM...check THIS out...


http://obamalies.net/


YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS ONE....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S5StlCcv84&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4&feature=related


http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html


http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5CQnOn75c


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKlQSNN2zo&NR=1


 


 


You want 'em, you can have 'em,
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name 'em
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Set 'em up, Joe....
...and it's about time.  Joe the Plumber has filed a federal lawsuit against the (now former) head of OJFS (Ohio Job and Family Services) and two assistants.  They illegally investigated him after he offended dems and the liberal media by asking Obama a question, then *somehow* the information was leaked to the press.  Gonna love following this one. 
Keep 'em coming.
I’m going to take a page out of your book again and simply jump over this latest denial/dodge of yours...just like you did with the context post. Blame game bluster scores no points here. The ignorance seems to be unending, but at least you could try to know your own party platform. Think you can handle that?

Bottom line. This is so simple, even you can get it. Dems would impose the R-words (regulatiions and restrictions) on the transnationals....back in the day, we called it monopoly busting. Pubs give them the keys to the candy store, the greed of the wealthy being what it is and all. Gotta keep those CEOs perks coming.

We can all see how well that has worked for us. One does not have to look too far to see just how inept the party has been over the past 8 years in all things economic. Huge surplus transformed to deepest deficit of all times, virtually overnight, gas/food, bank foreclosures, housing crisis, rising unemployment, wage stagnation, inflation/recession. Bush’s latest brilliant explanation for all this is that “Wall Street got drunk. It has a hangover. Don’t know how long it will take them to sober up.” This would be the extent of his experience? Scarey. Maybe he has been reading McCain's joke book. The candidate tells us that the economy “is not his strong suit.” Disarmingly honest, but none to comforting. Speaks for itself.

Touched on this in the economics paragraph in the context post, but you chose to ignore that...or, in your own words, maybe that was the one you were not paying attention to, I forget. In fact, no response from you, Sam, speaks volumes and sheds a whole lot more light on the subject than anything you might actually come out and try to say. Go figure.

If ya can't feed 'em
don't breed 'em
That's the problem with 'em all - they just CAN'T
They're bullies. Both in and out of office.
Ya calls 'em the same way I do.

Most of 'em believe in heaven and he!!, too.
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McCain sure knows how to vet 'em.
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you tell 'em martha
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Let 'em marry if they want to
then they can have the same privilege straight couples have of paying thousands to divorce lawyers to get rid of what they were so sure was gonna last a lifetime.  Straight or gay, that marriage license changes people.  I seriously doubt that "gay" marriages are going to last any better than straight marriages.  Yeah and they want to adopt kids.  What are the 2 biggest problem areas in straight marriages?  You got it.  Money and kids.  So let 'em have at it.  Make the divorce lawyers richer.  As It happens I don't believe in marriage between 2 people of the same sex and I believe homosexuality is a choice but then I'll leave the sorting out to God.  Same as being an alcoholic is a choice.  One can choose to fight the temptation or they can embrace it.  JMO.
New York is welcome to 'em!! n/m
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Nothing racist about 'em -
I do not find anything racist about your posts; but I do find the aspirin post racist.
So where d'ya plan to put 'em all?

10%. No deductions. Wouldn't need 'em if
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Tell 'em what they wanna hear.
they are transporting children to vote.... not quite old enough to realize fairy tales are just that....
ride 'em cowboy!
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'outlaw' something that so many of 'em got rich
sheesh
Yes, there WERE WMD. The intel was correct....SH got rid of 'em...
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There are different flavors - Fox "news" is one of 'em.
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They're ALL innocent...ask 'em!
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Send some my way I'm going to need it
Will that be coming by FedEx or UPS. Ha ha ha. Actually I think I better go stock up on my own.
Looks more like Germany wouldn't give 'em up to the US. nm

If it bothers you, don't read'em....I have a job AND a life...
thank you very much. I also have things that are important to me, and the next President of the US and abortion are two of them.
just plain rude - keep 'em coming
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Rush Limbaugh taught 'em how!
  Desperate to say something bad, even if they have to fake the film to do it!  Because they know their loyal viewers are such sheep they'll believe anything they see on their show as gospel - even if it is debunked later!
Unfortunately the good weather attracts 'em.

Oops, meant to post this under the loose trolls post...
I'm going to keep ignoring these troll posts.  It's kind of fun, actually, just pretend you don't see them.
I'll try to send it again....

  


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlf---13Q0g


Wow -- did she send you a copy before
releasing it to the public?  Someone else on here posted that you are very good paraphrasing, Sam, and I believe they are right.  The book hasn't even been released yet, but you'll go with whatever tidbit you can find.
OK, send me his address
He SHOULD have been told this before he was enlisted as cannon fodder for the war mongerers who were planning this fake war BEFORE the Supreme coup gave them the WhiteHouse.

No one doubts your nephew's good intentions for serving in the military. IN FACT, WE SUPPORT him so much, that we think he ought not be used as BAIT to secure more riches for the military industrial complex.

PLEASE do some research: This 'war' was manufactured and worse, 9/11 should have been and COULD have been prevented. IF THEY HAD DONE THAT, HOWEVER, they would not have been able to inflame a nation to war with a country that never attacked us.

SHAME on Americans who believe WITHOUT verifying or thinking for themselves!
Then don't send them your money....nm
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send bush to

Iraq without all his body guards and see if he is so smug and smiley when another citizen of democracy goes for his shoes.  Bush says that is what democracy is all about --- yet he always has US protestors cordoned off far away from where he speaks in this democracy. The biggest sissy-boy the country has ever been run into the ground by.


 


What, like maybe send you our tax money?
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Send me some recipes. We could use some

supplemental income, too.


I'd do better than that! I think I'd send the brown
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I'm a pagan - I guess that'll really freak 'em out, huh?
Talking with the people you describe is like going back to the Dark Ages.
So you want to send a message to the terrorists.....
That Americans are all a bunch of corrupt liars who go unchecked and unpunished?  I think that if you truly wanted to protect the American people that you would want dishonesty and corruption investigated.  Guess not.