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If Bush wanted to lead s/m

Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-11-15
In Reply to: "Let them eat cake." sm - MT and worn out

I think a nice black tie BBQ would have satisfied protocol.  Beer goes real well with BBQ and it doesn't cost $300 a bottle.  Maybe Bush is still clinging to "the economy is fundamentally sound."  Maybe he'd like to tell that to my single parent neighbor who was laid off from her manufacturing job yesterday after 15 years because they're moving the plant to MEXICO.


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They wanted Bush to do that and he said no because
it would lower the value of our dollar.
What do you mean? I thought that was what Bush wanted to do.
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It was BUSH and MCCAIN who wanted to
not the dems, check your facts
Actually, Bush SAID he wanted to close Gitmo...(sm)

but he rejected every proposal for closing it and DID nothing about it, claiming it would be too difficult.  A president saying that something is too difficult isn't exactly reassuring BTW.  Meanwhile, he made use of it, which completely contradicted his supposed intentions of closing it.  You also really can't complain about other countries not wanting to take prisoners into their countries when we weren't willing to take them either, and they are OUR prisoners.  I think actions speak louder than words.


Bush wanted borders secured, congress did not.

I know Gov. Napolitano wanted to secure Arizona borders years ago.  She was Attorney General back then and US attorney.  She went to congress and fought for border control several times, but was ignored by Clinton.  Finally Bush came into office and he signed (article below) Border Fence Act. 


As for Obama, well he picked Gov. Napolitano to be in his office. 


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6388548


Bush staff wanted bomb-detect cash moved

(Almost five years after 9/11, just how committed is Bush to keeping Americans safe?)


Bush staff wanted bomb-detect cash moved





By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press WriterFri Aug 11, 5:56 PM ET



While the British terror suspects were hatching their plot, the Bush administration was quietly seeking permission to divert $6 million that was supposed to be spent this year developing new homeland explosives detection technology.


Congressional leaders rejected the idea, the latest in a series of steps by the Homeland Security Department that has left lawmakers and some of the department's own experts questioning the commitment to create better anti-terror technologies.


Homeland Security's research arm, called the Sciences & Technology Directorate, is a rudderless ship without a clear way to get back on course, Republican and Democratic senators on the Appropriations Committee declared recently.


The committee is extremely disappointed with the manner in which S&T is being managed within the Department of Homeland Security, the panel wrote June 29 in a bipartisan report accompanying the agency's 2007 budget.


Rep. Martin Sabo, D-Minn., who joined Republicans to block the administration's recent diversion of explosives detection money, said research and development is crucial to thwarting future attacks and there is bipartisan agreement that Homeland Security has fallen short.


They clearly have been given lots of resources that they haven't been using, Sabo said.


Homeland Security said Friday its research arm has just gotten a new leader, former Navy research chief Rear Adm. Jay Cohen, and there is strong optimism for developing new detection technologies in the future.


I don't have any criticisms of anyone, said Kip Hawley, the assistant secretary for transportation security. I have great hope for the future. There is tremendous intensity on this issue among the senior management of this department to make this area a strength.


Lawmakers and recently retired Homeland Security officials say they are concerned the department's research and development effort is bogged down by bureaucracy, lack of strategic planning and failure to use money wisely.


The department failed to spend $200 million in research and development money from past years, forcing lawmakers to rescind the money this summer.


The administration also was slow to start testing a new liquid explosives detector that the Japanese government provided to the United States earlier this year.


The British plot to blow up as many as 10 American airlines on trans-Atlantic flights was to involve liquid explosives.


Hawley said Homeland Security now is going to test the detector in six American airports. It is very promising technology and we are extremely interested in it to help us operationally in the next several years, he said.


Japan has been using the liquid explosive detectors in its Narita International Airport in Tokyo and demonstrated the technology to U.S. officials at a conference in January, the Japanese Embassy in Washington said.


Homeland Security is spending a total of $732 million this year on various explosives deterrents and has tested several commercial liquid explosive detectors over the past few years but hasn't been satisfied enough with the results to deploy them.


Hawley said current liquid detectors that can scan only individual containers aren't suitable for wide deployment because they would bring security check lines to a crawl.


For more than four years, officials inside Homeland Security also have debated whether to deploy smaller trace explosive detectors — already in most American airports — to foreign airports to help stop any bomb chemicals or devices from making it onto U.S.-destined flights.


A 2002 Homeland report recommended immediate deployment of the trace units to key European airports, highlighting their low cost, $40,000 per unit, and their detection capabilities. The report said one such unit was able, 25 days later, to detect explosives residue inside the airplane where convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid was foiled in his attack in December 2001.

A 2005 report to Congress similarly urged that the trace detectors be used more aggressively, and strongly warned the continuing failure to distribute such detectors to foreign airports may be an invitation to terrorist to ply their trade, using techniques that they have already used on a number of occasions.

Tony Fainberg, who formerly oversaw Homeland Security's explosive and radiation detection research with the national labs, said he strongly urged deployment of the detectors overseas but was rebuffed.

It is not that expensive, said Fainberg, who retired recently. There was no resistance from any country that I was aware of, and yet we didn't deploy it.

Fainberg said research efforts were often frustrated inside Homeland Security by bureaucratic games, a lack of strategic goals and months-long delays in distributing money Congress had already approved.

There has not been a focused and coherent strategic plan for defining what we need ... and then matching the research and development plans to that overall strategy, he said.

Rep. Peter DeFazio (news, bio, voting record) of Oregon, a senior Democrat on the Homeland Security Committee, said he urged the administration three years ago to buy electron scanners, like the ones used at London's airport to detect plastics that might be hidden beneath passenger clothes.

It's been an ongoing frustration about their resistance to purchase off-the-shelf, state-of-the-art equipment that can meet these threats, he said.

The administration's most recent budget request also mystified lawmakers. It asked to take $6 million from Homeland S&T's 2006 budget that was supposed to be used to develop explosives detection technology and instead divert it to cover a budget shortfall in the Federal Protective Service, which provides security around government buildings.

Sens. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., and Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., the top two lawmakers for Senate homeland appropriations, rejected the idea shortly after it arrived late last month, Senate leadership officials said.

Their House counterparts, Reps. Hal Rogers, R-Ky., and Sabo, likewise rejected the request in recent days, Appropriations Committee spokeswoman Kirsten Brost said. Homeland said Friday it won't divert the money.

___

Associated Press writer Leslie Miller contributed to this story.




This would lead one to believe....
you are a communist, you have no problem with a man with marxist leanings as President...or you are cruising down the river denial. Which one is it?
What did I ever to say to lead you
to think I believe his lies?
Lead by example and clean up
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no telling where this will lead.
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Yes. Do tell how conservatives would lead us
out of the darkness and into the light.
He does not only lead Christians
.
Qualified to lead the country? How?
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CNN lead story this am: How to pray
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Why don't you ask the double digit lead
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Nothing except a double-digit lead.
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I was just saying to follow the lead of your hero
he lost but he is moving past it, unlike the RRs on this board
You can lead a horse to water...
You can teach teenagers abstinence, but you can't make them practice it! Therefore, teaching birth control makes much more sense. If Bristol Palin had been given access to birth control, she wouldn't be in the predicament she's in.
Sure you can: You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think. sm
She came up with this while playing a game in which she was asked to use the word "horticulture" in a sentence.
If you are not pro-military action in Iraq (which lead to war)...sm
Then we are on the same side of this debate.
people are starting to pay attention. Obama's lead
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Correction. Latest numbers show a 6.5 lead.
how many seats in Congress adn the Senate the democrats gained? The message seems pretty clera to me. How do you keep that hatred from eating you up from the inside out? Obama won because desptie GOP's best efforts, they trust their future more to him than McCain. No amount of negativity can change the feeling of uplift, hope, excitement and enthusiasm for our President-elect. I feel sorry for you that you seem so determined to keep yourself down in the mud pit. Election's over. Your party needs your attention. Your country needs your help. Go figure.
To paraphrase, you can lead a horse to the facts, but you can't make it think. nm
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For your informtion: When Moses lead the Israelites out of Egypt
into the Holy land (Palestine) in the 13th century BC- this is known as Exodus - this land was already inhabited by a people, the Canaanites = Palestinians.
The Palestianians were in Palestine, The Holy land, before the Israelites arrived in Palestine:

The Canaanites (c. 2000 BC- 1468 BC)

History of Palestine

About 2000 BC, a Semitic people of remarkable industry, enterprise and intelligence occupied Palestine as well as Lebanon. They were called "Canaanites", and Palestine and Lebanon then both became known as "the land of Canaan".



I never said I wanted the
government to take care of everything and everybody. I want the government to be responsible to its citizens. They work for us. Expecting elderly retirees to get a job or go to college is ridiculous. These people deserve better. I am not complaining about my life. I am reiterating to you what I see here in the Sunshine State. It is all about money all the time. Many people I know will be able to regroup and hold their lives together but I don't understand why the collapse of the middle class is just all right with you.  That is my point.  No need to go into the pull yourself up by your bootstraps argument. We will never see eye to eye on that. This is about our country being in debt out the wazoo, borrowing money from China to fight a war no one wants in Iraq and middle class people being downsized into poverty.  It is not about being lazy or having choices. It is about the sad sorry state of our union.
Yep, just like the DNC wanted you to...
to move the cLintons on their way out. The DNC did not want Hillary from the get-go, and the media helped them accomplish it. And here you are rewarding them by electing the perps. LOL. sigh. Poor Hillary...pilloried by her own.
Thank you - that was all I wanted to know (sm)
sad how many people don't know the answer and just want to dismiss it without even knowing though.
Just wanted to add
I in no way mean to indicate that everyone receiving any type of public aid spends the whole day watching soaps and eating bon bons. Just that a large portion of them (at least in my area) do just that and have lived off it for years as opposed to using it as a temporary crutch while they try to get back on their feet.
Yep, I know....just wanted to be sure all...
of the information was out there and that what Bush did is vastly different than what Obama is proposing. And apparently it is working because they are lining up for the ice cream and defending him right down the line...lol.
Just wanted to say.................. sm

Merry Christmas! 


That's not what I wanted to see.

DH has been talking about moving there for a couple years. He loves Canada.


I hate the cold. Think I'm going to show this to him? Nah.


I just wanted to say thanks.
This is the first time that a discussion on same sex marriage has been a good discussion without personal attacks, etc.  Thanks for sharing your point of view with me.
I wanted to, but DH said no.

We have 50 tomato plants in containers, 25 pepper plants (green, hot, hotter, and hotter then he!!), 10 potato plant containers (x6 cuttings in each), and 10 containers of cukes. The only thing we planted in the ground was beans, onions, and radishes. All doing fantastic. Already have a hot pepper and some tomatoes and this weather sucks this year, only 60 damp, dreary, rainy all week...again. Surprised the plants are doing so well.


We also have about 5 tomato plants coming up in the ground from last year.


I was wondering how your garden was doing. Thanks for letting me know.


Well, call me what you want, but I wanted to know.
I say use God's name when you're speaking the truth. If it's truth point it out to me.


What I wanted to know to start with...
is how can I know that Democrats/liberals/the left, WHOEVER, will keep this country safe, when half of them deny there is a threat and the other half have no idea how to deal with it? What I said it was not political, I meant it. Both sides should be trying to protect this country, but frankly I only see one who seems to understand the threat. As I have said numerous times, I am not a registered Repbulican. I am not thrilled with any party in this country right now, but I have to register as SOMETHING to vote, so I am registered independent. Yes, I am conservative, I have conservative moral values and I believe if we had stuck closer to moral values we would have a lot fewer issues these days, but I digress. My concern is, Dem, that I don't think your party and many of its members grasp what a real threat radical Muslims are, and if you don't perceive the threat you don't take steps to fight it, and that is the reason I referred to Clinton, because in all honesty I do not think he perceived the threat. I do not want to think that he did and ignored it. And my point is, I don't think your party to this day perceives the enormity of the threat, and yes, that scares me. This is not rhetoric. This is the way I, me, personally, feel and has nothing to do with left or right Dems or Republicans, other than the Republicans do seem to have a better grasp on the threat than the Dems do. What I would like to see is America united against the threat, with politics out of it. That is what I would REALLY like to see.
Yes I did, and I never said I wanted free...

healthcare for myself.  I want free or more affordable cost healthcare for American children.  My children are already covered.  My husband has worked for the same company for over 12 years, and he has decent insurance.  You are impossible to argue with because you refuse to admit that we can afford $333 MILLION PER DAY FOR A WAR IN IRAQ, AND WE CAN AFFORD $19 MILLION PER DAY FOR CHILDREN'S HEALTH CARE.  How are your taxes going to be raised to 70% of your income for the health care?  Have they been raised that high for the war?  NO, so your argument is not valid.


Just wanted to say I agree with you. sm
Thanks for saying it. I think it bears repeating: We are animals too (sorry, can't say I care what it does or doesn't say about that in the Bible), the human race is highly overrated LOL, and yeah, what about population control?!

Humans are already using up 30% more of the Earth's resources each year than the Earth can replace (according to a report by Anderson Cooper I saw some months back), and that's at the current worldwide population, which is only expected to increase. What ARE we going to do when we run out of space, and food, water, trees...?

If we're not animals and we're "above" them, we should be smarter about the Earth and all the creatures on it than we have been, and I just don't see the evidence for that.
someone wanted to see SP interview?
well sunday night on fox, greta vansusteren will interview her.  greta is a v. good interviewer too, (with good questions, listens to the answers, etc, if you are not familiar with her).
THe way he was smirking....I would not have wanted to...
look at him either. Not very Presidential. lol.
When did I say I wanted to live in
a Socialist society.  I don't.  Neither do I want an unstable person with a fiery temper with his hand on the nuke button.
I think he meant he wanted it available to everyone -
he never said he would require you to buy what the government offered - that was more Hillary's plan. He just says he wants it available if you don't have insurance.
If China wanted to do that...(sm)

they would have already done it when the economic crisis hit.  We already owe them tons of money.  I think they would make out better collecting interest off us than spending their resources trying to "control" us, which would eventually lead to yet another war.  What I think should be in the bill is help for those who need it immediately (the ones who have already lost jobs and extending state funds to make budgets) and infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure, green job advancement.  This can't be outsourced, it generates revenue, it provides jobs, and its needed.  The more people we put back to work or keep at work, the better chance we have of paying these bills off through taxable income.


I know it looks like an enormous amount of money to be going into debt for (and it is), but at this point I don't think we have any choice.  If you want to talk national security, a depression would leave us much more vulnerable than being in debt.  Being vulnerable is not an option at this point. 


Whoever wanted what.., the fact..
is that from 1995 to 2001, the Republicans were in control of Congress with a Democratic president, and from 2001 to only 2 or 3 years ago,  there was both a Republican president and a Republican congress.  So, I think it's pretty obvious what party to point a finger at for the economic mess we are in now, not to mention the other problems.  Also, the majority of the bad loans that turned sour were not made to simple homeowners, but speculators and 2nd home buyers.  How many people do you know that are losing their actual home?  And how many do you know that are losing a 2nd home or investment properties?  Compare the figures and you will see.  Personally, I don't know of anyone personally losing their actual home.  But I know of a dozen or so personally who are losing their investment properties.
Maybe she wanted an Ipod? LOL...sm

http://mediamatters.org/items/200904020002


Can you possibly be more trivial?


It is about what the PEOPLE want - and they wanted this
Finally the legislators vote what the people want!!!
I wanted actually to know your thoughts. Not an article. nm
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In one paragraph you have not only told me more than I ever wanted to know.

You have outlined and described in perfect detail the problem with why your arguments can never be recognized as anything but dividing. Gt, believe me, this is not all about you, which it always seems to end up being about in your posts.  The fact that you refuse, not fail, but refuse to accept anything, any explanation, any single example of the image you project as well as your close-minedness, is illustrated in every post that you make. 


Yeah, you're right...but if he really wanted ...
publicity he could have had Britney Spears' guy design him a set and he could have announced it from there.
For people who wanted me banned ....
you certainly want to continue to engage me.

There is media bias. They want Obama elected. They did it to Hillary too, just not to this degree.

How is this coming out swinging? How is this different from posting pro Obama items?

Are you really this intolerant?
McNasty wanted to suspend the RNC, too., sm
because of the hurricane. Guess he's going to be The Suspender! There's more to this than meets the eye. He's running scared, poor old man.

Poster below is correct: He needs to learn how to multitask--that's what the presidency is all about.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the Biden/Palin debate. Since she compares herself to a pitbull, hunts helpless animals from a helicopter, stuck "her" 3-day-old infant under her desk so she could work, I hope he rips her a new one! She ain't no lady and certainly does not have my respect.
Have you ever thought maybe she wanted a baby
My cousin at 16 wanted a baby. Her parents tried talking her out of it. Explained what her life would be like. Told her about safe sex, birth control, etc. She still got pregnant and had a beautiful baby and she's a good mother. My other cousin (her sister) wanted a baby. Again my aunt and uncle talked to her. At 17 she had her baby and she is a wonderful mother.

So think people....it is possible her daughter wants a baby. Especially if all of her friends are having babies.