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Ilegal immigration

Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-11-02
In Reply to: Views on illegal immigrants and which ...sm - blondie_1147

This is a major bone of contention with me and unfortuately both candidates want to give these illegals a "path to citizenship"......er amnesty.  I believe this is a large part of what is wrong with the economy:


1.  Our government doesn't comprehend the meaning of "illegal."


2.  Big business wants cheaper labor.  Illegals work for less with no benefits so what follows?  They depress wages for American workers.  Remember Bush's favorite saying (haven't heard him say that in awhile) "they do jobs Americans won't do."  There is no job American workers won't do if the pay is right.  Cherokee Casinos have obvious American citizens doing work, including cleaning the bathrooms, they don't employ....well, I'll say it...Mexicans.  I believe they pay them around $9 an hour.  Cleaning bathrooms isn't a job that I would like to do but Americans are doing it.  Most of the construction jobs are done by Latinos.  Those jobs used to pay well but now an American citizen is passed over in favor of hiring illegals. 


3.  A lot of our economic problems I think are because banks gave loans to illegals, knowing full well they might default on the loans. 


4.  Illegals are given the same benefits as citizens and that is just WRONG.


From what I see we are not getting the cream of the crop immigrants, we are getting the bottom of the barrel that tax our welfare system and get free medical care while LEGAL citizens go without.  Your neighbor is a classic example, come here illegally, have a kid and you're here to stay.  The first thing that needs to go is the "anchor baby" thing.  How the heck can a child born to ILLEGAL parents become a citizen automatically.  Ridiculous. 




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Pat Tillman: Believed War on Iraq Was Ilegal


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This article can be found on the web at
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051024/zirin





Pat Tillman, Our Hero


by DAVE ZIRIN


[from the October 24, 2005 issue]


I don't believe it, seethed Ann Coulter.


Her contempt was directed at a September 25 San Francisco Chronicle story reporting that former NFL star and Army Ranger war hero Pat Tillman, who was killed in Afghanistan last year, believed the US war on Iraq was f***ing illegal and counted Noam Chomsky among his favorite authors. It must have been quite a moment for Coulter, who upon Tillman's death described him in her inimitably creepy fashion as an American original--virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be. She tried to discredit the story as San Francisco agitprop, but this approach ran into a slight problem: The article's source was Pat Tillman's mother, Mary.


Mary and the Tillman family are relentlessly pushing for answers to the questions surrounding Pat's death in Afghanistan. They want to know why it took the Pentagon five weeks to tell them he died in a tragic case of friendly fire. They want to know why they were unwitting props at Pat's funeral, weeping while lies were told by eulogizing politicians. Mary is now hoping that a new Pentagon inquiry will bring closure. There have been so many discrepancies so far that it's hard to know what to believe, she said to the Chronicle. There are too many murky details.


The very private Tillmans have revealed a picture of Pat profoundly at odds with the GI Joe image created by Pentagon spinmeisters and their media stenographers. As the Chronicle put it, family and friends are now unveiling a side of Pat Tillman not widely known--a fiercely independent thinker who enlisted, fought and died in service to his country yet was critical of President Bush and opposed the war in Iraq, where he served a tour of duty. He was an avid reader whose interests ranged from history books...to works of leftist Noam Chomsky, a favorite author. Tillman had very unembedded feelings about the Iraq War. His close friend Army Spec. Russell Baer remembered, I can see it like a movie screen. We were outside of [an Iraqi city] watching as bombs were dropping on the town.... We were talking. And Pat said, 'You know, this war is so f***ing illegal.' And we all said, 'Yeah.' That's who he was. He totally was against Bush. With these revelations, Pat Tillman the PR icon joins WMD and Al Qaeda connections on the heap of lies used to sell the Iraq War.


Tillman's transition from one-dimensional caricature to critically thinking human being is a long time coming. The fact is that in death he was far more useful to the armchair warriors than he had ever been in life. When the Pro Bowler joined the Army Rangers, the Pentagon brass needed a loofah to wipe their drool: He was white, handsome and played in the NFL. For a chicken-hawk Administration led by a President who loves the affectations of machismo but runs from protesting military moms, this testosterone cocktail was impossible to resist. The problem was that Tillman wouldn't play their game. To the Pentagon's chagrin, he turned down numerous offers to be its recruitment poster child.


But when Tillman fell in Afghanistan the wheels once again started to turn. Now the narrative was perfect: War hero and football star dies fighting terror. The Abu Ghraib scandal was about to hit the press, so the President found it especially useful to praise Tillman as an inspiration on and off the football field, as with all who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war on terror. His funeral was nationally televised. Bush even went back to the bloody well during the presidential campaign, addressing his team's fans on the Arizona Cardinals' stadium Jumbotron.


We now know, of course, that this was all a brutal charade. Such callous manipulation is fueling the Tillman family's anger. As Mary Tillman said this past May, They could have told us up front that they were suspicious that [his death] was a fratricide, but they didn't. They wanted to use him for their purposes.... They needed something that looked good, and it was appalling that they would use him like that. A growing number of military families, similarly angered, are criticizing the war in Iraq through organizations like Military Families Speak Out.


As for Chomsky, whom Ann Coulter would undoubtedly label treasonous, Mary Tillman says a private meeting was planned between him and Pat after Pat's return--a meeting that never took place, of course. Chomsky confirms this scenario. This was the real Pat Tillman: someone who, like the majority of this country, was doubting the rationale for war, distrusting his Commander in Chief and looking for answers. The real Pat Tillman, the one with three dimensions, must stick in the throat of the Bush-Coulter gang, a pit in the cherry atop their bloody sundae.


Nothing against immigration, but I don't...
think it is too much to ask them to jump through the appropriate hoops to live LEGALLY in our great country. "Who are they to break our laws?" is the better question. They come up here and drive cars with no insurance--I have been in an accident with an illegal with no insurance and no driver's license. You know what happened to him? Nothing. I got stuck repairing my own vehicle that he rear ended and nothing happened to him at all. Not even a ticket-not that it matters because he wouldn't show up to court anyway. Wonder why auto insurance costs so much in California? That's it right there. There are HUGE problems with illegal immigration and I hope they close the border indefinitely. It amazes me that people say things like you just said. You have apparently not been directly affected by illegal immigration.
Hillary on immigration...
not sure why you are asking me; I didn't post anything about Bush and immigration...I don't happen to agree with him on that. Apparently Hillary does though...see article:
WASHINGTON --Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a potential White House candidate in 2008, said Wednesday some Republicans are trying to create a "police state" to round up illegal immigrants.

Alerts Clinton, D-N.Y., spoke out on the U.S. immigration policy after largely staying away from an issue that has roiled Congress in recent months and spurred a number of conflicting proposals.

Speaking at a rally of Irish immigrants, Clinton criticized a bill the House passed in December that would impose harsher penalties for undocumented workers.

"Don't turn your backs on what made this country great," she said, calling the measure "a rebuke to what America stands for."

The House measure would make unlawful presence in the United States, which is currently a civil offense, a felony.

Clinton said it would be "an unworkable scheme to try to deport 11 million people, which you have to have a police state to try to do."
That sounds to me like she is supporting amnesty from the back door saying that it would not be possible to round them all up.

You will also notice that the Republican congress wants to make it a felony to be here illegally...good for them. Hillary does not agree, and neither does Bush. As I stated...I do not agree with Bush on this issue.


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Immigration lawyer. nm
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He has been able to produce no immigration
nm
That's the job of the immigration department.
LAPD deals with robbery, rape, murder, drugs, domestic violence, car chases, etc., in other words actual crimes.

The immigration department deport illegal immigrants.

If an illegal immigrant commits a crime, LAPD is allowed to arrest them.

Personally, I find that most illegal immigrants are much harder workers than many of the lazy US citizens who think they are too good to put in a hard day's work.
Yes, Bush has softened on immigration
Many conservatives, including me, want to see much tougher immigration policies than what he is proposing. I propose a 15-foot wall along the total southern border with high voltage lines on top. If people die trying to scale the wall then it's their decision.

I'm not sure that immigration needs to be a felony, but any illegal immigrant caught should be deported post haste. I do think deportation of illegals who have been here many years and are productive may be a little too tough. I am for earned legalization as long as forgery and corruption is kept in check. People who are here illegally should get in line behind those outside the country who are following the rules and waiting their turn.

There are no easy and inexpensive ways to fix border enforcement that was badly neglected over the last quarter of a decade or more, but it's better than the alternative of letting our borders be a free-for-all.
Here is the lastest immigration law, 2000. sm
http://www.aca.ch/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=80
Perhaps when putting yourself out as an immigration law expert,
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LAPD are not Immigration Cops
"...a known illegal criminal..." I love that turn of phrase, Kendra.

Police can spot "dangerous gange (sic) members" who've been arrested in the past, and they can't arrest them without due cause. The police don't deport people; it's not their job. If someone is committing a crime that's under police jurisdiction, then they'll arrest them. Immigration is not the jurisdiction of the police, like it or not. The police have much more important things to do than track down undocumented immigrants.
Immigration debate going on C-Span2 right now.
Just flipped it on and don't know how long it will be on. Interesting so far.
OMG! Check out O's stance on immigration

Please note, these are from 2008 before the election, but I think they still hold true.


 


http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Immigration.htm


In fact, you can also check out Emanuel, Holder, McCain, Napolitano, Clinton, here:


http://www.ontheissues.org/Immigration.htm#Headlines


 


Bush Flip Flops on Immigration Bill...sm

Sensenbrenner: Bush Turned Back on Bill


Key House Republican Jim Sensenbrenner says Bush turned his back on immigration bill


WASHINGTON, May. 17, 2006
By FREDERIC J. FROMMER Associated Press Writer








(AP)



(AP) Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, who has pushed a tough border security bill through the House, accused President Bush on Wednesday of abandoning the legislation after asking for many of its provisions.

He basically turned his back on provisions of the House-passed bill, a lot of which we were requested to put in the bill by the White House, Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., angrily told reporters in a conference call. That was last fall when we were drafting the bill, and now the president appears not to be interested in it at all.

Sensenbrenner chairs the House Judiciary Committee and would be the House's chief negotiator on any final immigration package for Bush's signature. He said it was the White House that had requested two controversial felony provisions in the bill the House passed last winter.

We worked very closely with White House in the fall in putting together the border security bill that the House passed, he said. ... What we heard in November and December, he seems to be going in the opposite direction in May. That is really at the crux of this irritation, he said of Bush.

Steven Camarota....director of research for Immigration
................
Immigration attys probable grasp basic citizenship concepts.
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Two Border State Governors Declare Illegal Immigration State of Emergency

Two Border State Governors Declare Illegal Immigration State of Emergency



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