It's not trashing Obama....it's all the facts...sm
Posted By: my, my on 2008-10-10
In Reply to: Beyond this board, what do you suppose - the topic of discussion is? sm
he is a house of cards waiting to fall down.
Just you wait.
I personally don't think McCain is all that much better, just slightly.
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Why do you call facts trashing....
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trashing crosses???>
Unbelieveable. But, then we have a red neck yahoo shooting his gun and intimidating that maybe he shot it off cause of the antiwar people outside his gates and no one does anything about this? Oh geez..Almost each day since Bush has been in office and especially since this illegal immoral war, I have searched my soul for reasons why I still love America and each day, it is getting harder and harder.
Today I went shopping and ended up at Wal-Mart cause the prices were less expensive than other stores..I looked around and people's cars are clanking, falling apart..Gas prices are sky high. Check out what people make minimum wage, how could they possibly even afford to rent..Recently I read an article how other industrialized countries give paid time off for pregnancy up to five weeks, America gives nothing, other industrialized countries have universal health care, America has nothing. America, where are you? Thankfully, so many are realizing this..OMG, we even have the Rolling Stones, a totally commerical band, singing a political song, LOL. I was a teenager during the Vietnam War and a young woman during Watergate. I never wanted to see anything like either of those again in my life time. I was expecting to live a peaceful happy life..but darn it, both are here again, i.e., Iraq and Rovegate, and, of course, the political person I am, Im right there with it all..sigh..
We will also be trashing our 401K if the O gets in....sm
...and as I've posted before, if it comes right down to it, I WILL stop working and let the govt take care of me.
I now make $60,000 a year, give or take, and work 12 hours a day 7 days a week. I cannot possibly work any more, and I cannot afford to have the O take my money away and give it to people who don't work at all. When that middle class umbrella cuts in half again...and since it's now 120,000, it could be real soon for me.....there's no way, no how I'll stand for more taxes from my blood and sweat as it is.
As my husband says..... We'll quit working, and become good little communists....if it comes right down to it....and if they try to our guns away, we will go down fighting....and if the thought police come to our door because they don't like what we think? Oh well....we'll take a few of them with us.....
1984 will be here...in ol' 2009......and it ain't pretty.
I am STILL pulling for McCain......as Rush says, if we have to drag Yosemite Sam's behind over the finish line, we have to drag it over....and it's gotta be done.....
I can just hear the rabid right trashing it now.
LoL.
Obama Facts
Read all the way down to the end.
Subject: Bill Brown's Commentary on Obama
Bill Brown, is a highly respected, retired member of the Billy Graham team. So, take his assessment of Obama very seriously and for that reason accept his challenge to pass this on. Share his concern about the 'rock star' image Obama has and watch with growing concern at the celebrity status the media has foisted upon him. Here is hope this e-mail informs you in a wise way.
Commentary by Bill Brown
The Obama Tidal Wave
We are witnessing a political phenomenon with Barack Obama of rare magnitude. His speeches have inspired millions, and yet most of his followers have no idea what he stands for except platitudes of 'Change' or that he says he will be a 'Uniter'. The power of speech from a charismatic person truly can be a powerful thing. Certainly Billy Graham has charisma, and both his manner of speech, and particularly the content, changed millions. On the extreme other hand, the charisma of Adolph Hitler inspired millions and the results were catastrophic. Barack Obama certainly is no Hitler or a Billy Graham, but for many Americans out there feeling just like a surfer who might be ecstatic and euphoric while riding a tidal wave, the real story is what happens when it hits shore.
Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:
- He voted against banning 'partial birth' abortion.
- He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
- Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.
- In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug DE aling.
- Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
- Has admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.
- His religious convictions are very murky.
- He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung IL and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
- Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.
- Opposed the Patriot Act.
- First bill he signed that was passed was 'campaign finance reform'.
- Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.
- Supports universal health-care.
- Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
- Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
- Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
- Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform.
- Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
- Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.
- Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
- Is a big believer in the separation of church and state.
- Opposed to any efforts to privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.
- He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax
- He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax
- He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
- Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.
- He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today, and that takes some doing.
If your political choices are consistent with Barack Obama's, and you think that his positions will bring America together or make it a better place, then you will probably enjoy the ride and not forward this E-mail. If you are like most Americans, after examining what he stands for and are truly not in line wit h his record, it would be prudent to get off the wave, or better yet, never get on, before it comes on shore and undermines the very foundations of this great Country. We have limited time to save America or the Supreme Court as we know it.
Inaction is action. If you agree this is important, pass it on. The mainstream media will not do it for you!
Bill Brown
MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS !!!
Obama's 'Not Exactlys':
1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
(Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Yourhalf-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 AM , according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to..... http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?BarackHusseinObama-Arab-American,only6.2525_African
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam's' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId`559
8.) My School20In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008 . Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian -NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience -NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs -NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion- NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office -NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life- NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In ང -NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate- NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted -NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law -NOT EXACTLY, you were a seni or lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer -NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill -NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass -NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill -NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records -NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess- NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill20Will Help America -NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois -NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year -NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA -NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
JWS
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Just ignore them, Carla. They wouldn't be trashing
Pat Tillman's mother if his mother was a Bush worshipper. I think what they're saying is beyond ignorant.
The TRUTH of the matter is that Pat Tillman joined the Army in June of 2002 because he was so moved by the terror attack of 9/11 that he wanted to *get* Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. That was almost a year before the Iraq invasion when Chickenhawk Bush sent our kids to die for his fake war based on lies of WMD. Obviously Tillman saw through all Bush's crap, just like most Americans today see through it.
Believe Tillman's mother? You bet! I'd believe her any day of the week over lying Bush or his robotic groupies that troll this board. No contest! 
No one is trashing Tillman's mother, Libby.
What an incredibly bizarre thing to say. I guess that fits your bizarro alternate universe angry liberal planet view of the world. How could anyone expect any more from you than that. Not surprised.
Those were facts. Obama has already shown he
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Did Obama have his facts straight last night?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/24/fact-check-president-glosses-complex-realities/
Facts are facts - sorry you don't like it cos it doesn't support your candidate
You can't change facts. That's what makes them facts. You may not like it but that's the way it is.
Facts are facts. No bash intended.
It will be this stellar record from which voters will be assessing her and her running mate.
If you're offended, too bad. Facts are facts...
I know Muslims in this country who have turned from the hateful evil beliefs that were forced down their throats. They did not have the freedom to learn anything else growing up. But after they gained their freedom and came here, they were able to receive the Word of God and they have told me that NEVER were they taught anything about loving others, just other Muslims, and that the God they learned about spoke of nothing but killing and hate... so if Obama is receiving large donations from those middle eastern countries, as you say, and he is grounded in Muslim culture, being taught this in school for years as a child, do you honestly think he doesn't carry some of those beliefs with him? He's never denounced it.
Here ya go.........
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
stating facts folks, just the facts....if it's getting
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Folks want facts, you give'm facts and still
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This poster wants facts, facts, facts...
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Poster wants facts, facts, facts.....
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Every hour you spend trashing O is one less hour
Just exactly what is it you think the nation needs to hear about? You are running your clock out on an empty tank of gas.
When you can't fight facts for facts
then it's buh-bye....well buh-bye to you too....I'll have a dicussion with someone who will discuss and not blame.
When you can't fight facts for facts then it's buh-bye.
Facts, stick to the facts...sm
The subject here is the media and their treatment of Gov. Palin, which continues to this day, to this minute, by the liberal left.
Tthe media threw down their gauntlet as soon as she was picked on that Friday, and hounded her for almost a full week.
And you think she should have waved a white flag at them in her acceptance speech? She put them on notice, that she is above them. And continues to be, with grace and style.
She's not whining, and neither are we.
I just shake my head at your audacity.
The media is the one that started this with her, and you would do well to remember the facts in her case.
IN this case, the facts are the facts.........
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You don't have any facts. HELLO???!!!!! NM
You don't have any facts! sm
Are you actually saying you know more than those doing the investigation? My, you are a powerful person! Will we be seeing your name soon in the headlines as "she who knows all" heading the investigation? Share your knowledge! Inquiring minds want to know!
Oh I'd like to see what facts you have
to back that one up.
My facts came from....
the Summary of Ferderal Individual Income Tax Data and yours came from some self-proclaimed non-partisan watchdog group. Tell me who I am going to believe?
Facts
Thanks for the FACTS.
Facts
We know for a fact that the person impersonating Stephen Crockett is not actually Stephen Crockett and we know for a FACT that people who have been trolling the conservative board for the past week spouting profanity, vile innuendos also posts on the L-board under different monikers. This person's posts has been turned into the FBI for their implied threats on the president, so this is serious. This is no longer a game, so if you truly are not the one posting under several different monikers on the C-board then you have nothing to worry about. However, somebody here does have something to worry about.
And oh, BTW, I am not Nan, Brunson, or any of the usual suspects you might think.
Some more facts
http://www.ipcc.ch/about/procd.htm
Above is the web site for IPCC, everything you ever wanted to know which is not much if you are a nonbeliever. They have been around since 1988 and include the World Meteorology Organization among others. It is a worldwide, inclusive organization with contributors from just about everywhere.
I don't know how global warming is seen as a step towards socialism, quite a stretch. All we want is for people to act more responsibly towards the earth we all share. Alternative fuels have been around since pre WWII. We know how to do it. We just don't and again, it's all about money all the time. What is wrong with using alternative sources of energy, it hardly makes one a socialist. If we used natural oils, say corn oil for cars.. the farmers who have suffered financial losses and loss of family farms would be back in business. Somebody would have to grow all that corn. Then it would have to be refined. Then, automobiles would have to be converted to be able to run on oil. All the automobile workers who have been laid off (13,000 Chrysler over the next 3 years - another one bites the dust) could work again. Cars would need to be built differently and the existing cars would need to be converted. Seems like the whole thing would be putting a lot of Americans to work. Whether you believe in global warming or not how could implementing these changes be harmful or turn us all into socialists. Its a good thing.
whose facts? Yours? Or the ones fed to you?
it's your choice......that's for sure....
The Facts
Obama's father was raised Muslim but not a radical Muslim and was NOT a practicing Muslim when he met and married Obama's mother. Obama's parents split, and his mother married an Indonesian oil manager, and they moved to Jakarta, Indonesia. Obama attended various schools in Indonesia for 4 to 5 years, including a Catholic. The only way any school he attended could be called Muslim is that most of the students who attended this school were from Muslim families, as Indonesia is primarily a Muslim country. He received a few hours of religious instruction per week in these schools. Obama's mother then sent him back to the U.S. to live with his grandmother. Obama has been a member of the United Church of Christ since the ྌs. Obama never received any indoctrination from his father, as his father was absent from his life since the age of 2. Obama was sworn into office with a Bible.
Get your information from somewhere else than false, inflammatory mass emails.
What facts do you need? sm
This is the whole article so a link won't do you much better. It was an AP article. The article was not complete rhetoric.
Yes, both sides do have problems. I am not disputing that at all. I'm just trying to prove again that you can't take everything at face value, politicians like to twist things and take snippets out if it is to their benefit. Notice, I said politicians - as in the whole species, not just Dem or Rep.
That's because you don't want facts and won't look for
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Know your FACTS first
I am not afraid of a black man raised by a white family or a black family or any other family. Interesting post as you do not know my ethnicity but jump with in with your own assumption. What I am afraid of is ANY racism because I do believe in equality.
They are facts
that can be verified.
Facts
Perhaps if you stopped rah-rahing the Republicans and bad-mouthing the Democrats you could see the facts and realize that both parties and all 4 candidates are as crooked as a barrel of snakes. Both sides are to blame for this mess!
facts about him
It sounds to me as though you may be afraid of the truth. I'd love to hear that you watched it and then come back here and continue giving him a free pass.
It already changed many voters' minds.
This is what happens when you have no facts
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FACTS, FACTS, FACTS, FACTS, FACTS
Biden Has Served As Obama's Top Foreign Policy Critic, Even Saying Obama Is Not Ready To Be President:
Biden Said Obama Is Not Ready To Serve As President. ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'" Sen. Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement." (ABC's, "This Week," 8/19/07)
Biden: "If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake..." (Sen. Joe Biden, "The Diane Rehm Show," 8/2/07)
Biden: "Having Talking Points On Foreign Policy Doesn't Get You There." ("Biden Lashes Out At Obama," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 8/2/07)
Biden Attacked Obama For Voting Against Funding U.S. Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan, Accusing Him Of "Cutting Off Support That Will Save The Lives Of Thousands Of American Troops." Biden: "And, look, Tim, if you tell me I've got to take away this protection for these kids in order to win the election, some things aren't worth it. Some things are worth losing over. That would be worth losing over. Hundreds of lives are being saved and will be saved by us sending these vehicles over which we are funding with this supplemental legislation. And I want to ask any of my other colleagues, would they, in fact, vote to cut off the money for those troops to protect them? That's the right question. This isn't cutting off the war. This is cutting off support that will save the lives of thousands of American troops." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 9/9/07)
Biden On Obama's Leadership On Iraq: "I Don't Recall Hearing A Word From Barack About A Plan Or A Tactic." (Jason Horowitz, "Biden Unbound: Lays Into Clinton, Obama, Edwards," The New York Observer, 2/4/07)
Biden On Whether He Would Meet Unconditionally With The Leaders Of Rogue States As Obama Said He Would: "Absolutely Positively No." Biden: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president? Absolutely positively no." (Sen. Joe Biden, Remarks At The National Press Club, Washington, DC, 8/1/07)
I realize it is painful to read but PROOF nonetheless.
I don't think you have your facts exactly right.
Even McDonalds pays better than minimum wage.
And you get your facts where?
You mistake "facts" with heresay. You dismiss FACTS by saying McCain was absolved of any wrongdoing in the Keating 5 scandal. Not quite.
You want facts? So do I.
One would do. Give me facts that he was born in the US. Make him show his real birth certificate.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/
He does not state truth and if he does, he changes it. New middle age class now 120,000K. He now has to kill expectations of what people think he can do if he wins. I could go on and on. Where did he get all this money for his campaign? Through unauthorized prepaid credit cards and who from? His aunt now may be living here illegal and I fear he is too. No wonder he wants to change all illegals to legal here in the US. There is something about him that is not right. By the way, I am a democrate, not a pub. I will admit he sure is a smooth talker.
the facts are
All Americans vote for their reprsentatives. That's the Constitution.
Millions of babies? How about hundreds of thousands of American lives plus millions affected by those deaths by a war founded on LIES.
Abortion, gay marriages, and the right to bear arms only works politically when things are going right in American and we have nothing else to fight about. They are nonpolitical issues and are things that God will deal with when we get there (sans bearing arms).
You can actually make these statements in the face of what has gone on in the past 8 years?
I'm not quite sure what your last paragraph meant, but I make my own bed. I just expect certain things from my leaders, honesty and decisions made in the best interest in the majority of the citizens being first on my list, not just the elite. That priority has not been met by our previous leader/party. So I voted for change. I guess I'm not the only one who felt this say.
Oh no! More facts (sm)
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal.html
That's where I get my facts too. n/m
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facts are facts
myths are myths. Believe as you wish; it doesn't matter now. Again, how is that book and recording deal coming along?
YOU have no facts. You believe what you want.
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The facts
1. The OPs post was about how he is like one of us because he eats Chilidogs and cheese fries. Even read the post again and that is what it says (and other posters said the same thing) - he is not one of us.
2. It was replied to with the usual kool-aid laced reply of how wonderful for our god to be out there in public at a time we need him most, I feel safer already, etc etc.
3. I was not the only poster that thought that was absolutely ridiculous and nauseating. And all my post said was get off the kool-aid and that message was weirder than the OP.
4. I was then called chubby and tried to be ridiculed (which it didn't work) and told to keep my negativity to myself. Which was quite strange coming from a poster who has been attacking anyone below who doesn't agree with her.
5. I replied back that I am far by anything chubby. The poster I replied to was implying I have no freinds and am miserable and alienated. Well I guess we all know what they say about people who assume. I replied I am certainly not chubby and I have many friends who are on different waves of politics but we don't cut each other down because of the way we feel politically. My response was a positive one, not a negative cut down that was directed at me.
6. You then felt the need to reply to that and add some more insults and was quite negative.
7. I replied to you that you have a lot of negativity and you should try an activity to release some of that negativity. Still not a negative post, to which you then decided to reply with more negativity. Oh and on top of that you just happen to be a bike rider. Wow, what a small world we live in.
I actually didn't read any further than that line because I new it would be more of the same insults and the same. The negativity coming back to me does me no good. I would say if your not releasing your negativity by bike riding you might want to try a good comedy. It does wonders for the soul and brings one into a wonderful uplifting mood.
Gotta laugh in life from time to time otherwise...well life just wouldn't be any fun.
Where are your facts?
Don't mistake your BELIEFS for FACTS. If you can back this up with facts, then it will hold some water.
Anyone can make inflammatory comments without any truth behind them.
Facts.
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Facts? What are those?
"Facts" lie in the eyes of the beholder..................did I say lie?
Facts?
What are you trying to say? That I'm lying? That the facts I've cited aren't true? That they're only true for me and not for you? Are you being obtuse because you have nothing to say?
Sheesh...
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