Just one more example of that TOLERANCE liberals claim to disply...

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I have my own set of beliefs. I have studied various religions. I am familiar with the Bible. I did not solict your advice on what I should or should not believe. I spoke about my hope for the future of our country with the strong candidates running for our next president.  Please step off. What you think you know about all liberals is neither here nor there to me. I am here to discuss politics with liberals. How many times do I need to explain this? Now take your tamborine and move on,

Ummm, actually we have shown tolerance until we are blue in the face.  Let's see, we have tolerated an unjust war (oops, make that 2 wars) for how long?  We have tolerated having *in god we trust* on money, a church on every corner, a preacher on most channels, religious signs all over the place, a republican president who doesn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground, ......  the list is actually quite extensive.  However, when it comes to something as simple as expecting equal rights that are supposed to be guaranteed by the constitution, we get slammed for just bringing it up.  If an athiest sign is put up, it's all over the news (makes for good ratings, as Bill-O will attest to).  What isn't all over the news is the daily discrimination dished out by the opposition.

Why don't I just answer my own question from below since noone else seems to be willing to give it a try.  People who are against gay marriage say they are sacrificing.  The only thing I see as them having to sacrifice is the joy they get from being able to hold a minority under thier collective thumbs.

I ask this in the politest way possible and with all due respect.  I felt the need to say this after reading the posts below.

Is it possible to be a little more sensitive to those who have undergone an abortion for whatever reason and to be careful on the words being chosen, such as "murder." I'm sure there are some reading these posts who have had an abortion. It can be a very traumatizing thing to go through, which you cannot take back. There are some of us who have become pregnant with very deformed babies that would be extremely difficult to raise, including the possibility of not surviving after birth, where the choice to abort was difficult but a personal decision. I'm not saying it's the right choice.  I'm just saying sometimes a woman feels there is no other.

I say this from experience because I had to make that choice, and when I read that people think I'm a murderer and killed my baby, it makes it that much more hard to bear because I will always, always regret it.  I know I'm forgiven, but sometimes it's still hard to think---what if.

Just please be sensitive with the words you choose, and know there are those of us out here who have made this choice and regret it and have to live with it for the rest of our lives.

not acceptance.  I'm not advocating that everyone should accept homosexuality.  To accept it would be to agree with it, which would obviously conflict with the personal interests of some.  What I am advocating is tolerance.  That would include restraining one's self from attacking verbally or physically simply on the basis of sexual orientation. 

I think the point of the penguin story is to show that homosexuals are normal people who have feelings, goals, interests, families, etc. ---  the moral:  they may be homosexuals, but they are still people, no better and no worse than you or me.

I have never claimed that.  Did I vote for him....no.  Have I given him a chance?  What chance is there to give him?  Look at what he has done in this short time.  I don't want to wait another term in office before I see the huge mistakes that are happening now.  And please correct me if I am wrong but I do recall many of you putting Bush down for every little thing that he ever did.  I didn't vote for Bush either and I do believe he made some huge mistakes as well.  You people have no problem cutting people down and not giving them a chance unless we are talking about Obama and then all of a sudden we are all horrible for opposing government spending MORE of our money.  That makes us instantly prejudice.

You ridicule Bush for the war in Iraq and Obama said he would pull our troops out ASAP.  We are still there and Obama has pushed back the time line to pull them out.  Now we are in Afgan fighting the Taliban....which are the same terrorist freaks we ran out of Iraq.  Gitmo is still open with no plan of where to put these terrorists.  The usual rules in bankrupcty were changed in Chrysler's dealings so that the unions came out top dog....which is not supposed to happen like that.  Obama has spent more money than Bush ever did and he wants to spend more.  He promised no taxes of any kind to 95% of Americans and yet he wants to institute cap and trade which will tax everyone.  The jobs that he claims will be created with the spendulous package are not sustainable jobs.  Only 1 out of 10 green jobs are sustainable long term.  He is capping what CEOs can make.  He has done nothing but apologize for the US wherever he goes and yet he fails to comment on all the good things that we have done for other countries or how much we gave relief to people after natural disasters.  A man who gives abortion rights but takes away the rights of doctors and hospitals to deny performing a procedure they don't believe in when those patients could easily go elsewhere for that particular procedure.  Our government is getting bigger and taking over too much.  What right does our government have to cap pay for anyone?  What right does our goverment have to okay bonuses for AIG and then turn around and demand the bonuses be taken away.  I don't agree that they should get bonuses but congress approved it in the first place.  Did you sleep through all of this?  They are talking about taxing health care benefits to help pay for universal health care when Obama ridiculed McCain during the campaign stating how ridiculous it is for McCain to want to tax someone's benefits.....hello? 

ARE YOU LISTENING?  How much more time should I give him because I can say that he sucks?

smoke anywhere but you did mention nonsmokers not being content with banning you from smoking in public places and this is a constant argument I had with my dad for many years.  A lot of smokers are very inconsiderate.  More often than not you see them smoking at ball parks that have no smoking signs just because they think it is their right to smoke no matter how many children are around them at the time.  I've been in my car at a stoplight and my car filled with a smell of smoke and I looked over to see the person in the car next to me smoking.  Smokers just do not realize how far their smoke carries and how really harmful it is to nonsmokers.  Parents who continually take their kids to the doctors for ear infections or respiratory problems and yet continue to smoke around them.  My dad used to smoke in the car with all three of us kids in the back but he thought we would be fine because the window was cracked.  All that did was blow unwanted ashes back towards us.  Amazingly none of us three kids smoke.  We all vowed never to pick up the habit and none of us married a smoker either.

I wasn't trying to be rude.....but smoking is a very sore subject with me.  Not only did I lose one grandpa to lung cancer and another grandpa to emphysema but I lost my dad 2 years ago to emphysema and I just absolutely HATE cigarettes.  To think of the years those stupid things robbed me of my 2 grandpas and my dad.....I just loathe cigarettes.

This morning I was thinking this Rove thing over and the main issue is the deception by this administration over the wanting to buy uranium claim.  When Wilson went to check it out and reported back that the claim was incorrect, it still was included in the State of the Union address, to scare the American people into war.  That is the main issue, the lies for going to war. 

even figure out who's WITH you, as evidenced by the little hissy fit above between you and another CON!!!

Please keep posting.  You're getting whackier with each post and revealing yourself for the nut case you truly are!!!

Plus, I'm intrigued by all the different voices in your head who surface at different times.  I guess tonight TM is doing the talking, and TM seems to be even more rude and angry and hateful than you usually are.

Why so angry, MT?  Roberts was confirmed today.  Why aren't you happy?  Or do you just have a terminal case of chronic bitterness, no matter what? Have you ever been nice to ANYONE?

PLEASE keep posting.  You're quite entertaining, even if in a pathetic sort of way.

...your mind, claim to know how well you "scan," etc.  They're the scariest of all. 

Have fun, kids.  I need another break from the board for a while.

I wonder how Gourd Painter is doing.  Looks like she was chased away by the bullies.  Too bad.  I enjoyed her perspectives. 

After all, you are not GW who can manipulate the truth as he pleases.  But anyway, please provide the "burn in hell for eternity" quote that seems to appear over and over.  I notice that this "quote" also changes slightly each time it is "quoted."

For those who can read and decide for themselves.  http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html

that made her well rounded!!!

When a senator sponsor a bill, he originates the concept, surveys the landscape for support or lack thereof, identifies targets for persuasion, and works for bipartisan consensus.  This would involve extensive research on the content of the bill, assessment of benefits versus cost, knowledge of past voting records of constituents and fashioning persuasive arguments using pros and cons, according to who his individual target is and where he or she is coming from.  He determines constitutionality, legality and any possible conflict of interests.  He authors the bill.  He introduces the bill, debates the bill in the chambers, takes and answers criticism, compromises, rewrites and so forth until passage is achieved.  He then turns around and goes through much the same process to promote the bill in the house.  Then he holds his breath and hopes the president from his opposition party does not wipe out all his hard work with the stroke of a veto pen.  When he cosponsors a bill, he does much the same thing with a partner or partners. 

The accomplishments I listed under the state experience section actually were Obama's initiatives.  The US senate list does not just reflect legislation.  It also demonstrates varied committee membership, which reflects a completely different type of experience, much along the lines of study groups and research focused on strategy building of national and internation consequence.   

Two final observations.  Every single item listed under O's experience indicates the issues he takes most seriously and aligns consistently with the platform he now proposes on a national level in the presidential campaign.  Thus, this addresses the trust issue so often raised by his detractors.  O obviously has been a quick study, or he would not have been able to successfully seize the nomination of his party. 

I do not understand how SP's so-called executive experiences trumps this record.  In fact, my question would be where then DID she get her consensus-building experience from if she was so totally in charge of people she expected to simply fall in line.  Lastly, I am still wondering exactly how SP's record is comparable in this regard...or in words of one syllable...how does she stack up?