McCain also asked him to step down from office
Posted By: happyfeet on 2008-11-06
In Reply to: Oh okay - sbMT
So, you are upset about this republican being in office and think republicans are all christians and christians do not sin. Well, I am upset about Emanuel and his background and is now chief of staff for the O. That is more important to me right now.
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If McCain is in office, we most definitely WILL
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yes, I asked you...but I asked you a specific question...
about the peace movement. I asked why you did not take your ideals to the real enemies of peace...and your answer was that you leave them to God but will instead preach to us not to fight them, even when they bring the fight to us. So be it.
We will agree to disagree.
I did not personally call you a whiner. As to who sent the military...I will say one thing. When you join the military, you take an oath. That oath has been posted here. You are under no illusions. You know that you may be called to war. It is an all voluntary army over there now. There is no draft. No one is over there because they were forced to go.
As to the people sending having never been...what has that got to do with anything?It was not just George Bush and Dick Cheney, Lurker. It was Congress. Many in Congress do have relatives, even sons and daughters, in Iraq. Have you read the resolution? It is very clear. They knew exactly what they were signing and exactly what it meant. I do not buy the lied to hooey. The Senate and House intelligence committees got the same briefings, or at least enough briefings to vote for the resolution. If they did not (in their own words) use due diligence before signing off on that resolution, whose fault is that? Certainly not Dick Cheney's or George Bush's.
Where were all these people when Clinton was calling for regime change? Because he was a Democrat they will follow him to war? You will see why I do not buy into their rhetoric.
And while I understand your big picture, as I have said over and over and you have never addressed, that will work only if the others in the big picture wish it to work. And if you honestly feel that God wishes that you lay down and let this country be overrun by terrorists, then so be it. I am not of the same mind.
The big difference is that I believe, as did Americans at the time of the Revolution, and that Americans did at the time of the Civil War...and that even some Americans did at the time of Viet Nam...some things are worth dying for. Most of our volunteer military feels the same.
When that is no longer the case, if you are successful in robbing that sense of patriotism from the generations to come without changing the minds of the enemies, where they feel that nothing is worth dying for...in my mind that will only bring death quicker, not keep it at bay, and the loss of the greatest nation on the face of this earth.
So, we agree to disagree.
God bless.
It is a step
We certainly cannot let these large employers fail. Obama's team can think this through in the meantime and modify things in the future to benefit the nation. Doing nothing cannot be an option.
Our party definitely needs to step up. sm
It's come to the point that I don't even know what our party values anymore. Just a bunch of different groups trying to elevate their cause with no clear focus. What is our agenda? I'm listening, but our elected officials are not talking.
Is Senator Kennedy the last Dem standing? At least he and Murtha speak their minds and challenge this administration. And I'm dog tired of hearing what the republicans got wrong. Though I think they have a nice stack of issues, I want to hear what our party is going to do to fix the Iraqi situation, what would they do in Louisiana and Missisippi differently if they had the ball in their court and what are they willing to fight for to effect change? What will they do to make America safer from domestic and foreign terrorists? Offer up some solutions. Maybe they have, but I haven't heard anything.
Hillary, though I'm still a fan of hers, seems to ride whichever wave she's on. Howard Dean is a live wire who says the first thing that floats to his brain, off the wall. He does not have the carisma to lead the party to victory IMHO.
As far as the republicans, I'm tired of hearing about gay marriages and abortions. I do not think these are America's main issues, not even close. I want to hear something other than rhetoric about how good Iraqi is doing too.
And I was just having a conversation earlier this week with a friend of mine who agrees with me that we have seen MORE gays and lesbians emerge since Bush took office. And before you get it wrong conservatives, I'm not saying he is creating them. It may be that the gays are rebelling and being more blatant with it to spite the anti-gay politicians, and/or all of the attention brought to gay marriage and gay this and that have only lured more young people into this culture as a reverse effect. I think the latter is more likely because rewind back to 2000, it was less likely you would see woman/woman, man/man hand in hand in the supermarket. Now, it's just as normal as man/woman and I'm in the bible belt, Alabama.
I agree with the poster who asked the question *where was THIS Al Gore 8 years ago?* Maybe, they'll wise up and make him head of the DNC. Say, *Thanks Dr. Dean for your services but we won't be needing them anymore.*
Either way, this administration NEEDS more disenting voices with SOLUTIONS-this is key-not just rhetoric because on major issues they have been allowed to runamuck basically uncontested for the last five years.
If we keep it up at this rate though I agree it's bad news for America.
Should Hillary step down?
I've heard people say she should step down before things get worse within the party. That it would be the best for the Democrat party.
Thoughts, opinions, comments?
I bet you step on bugs
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When is the GOP going to step up to the plate and
their own VP pick and the shambles it finds itself in now? When?
At least its a step in the right direction
But I won't believe it until it happens.
While I did not want McCain as president I do believe that he has a lot of knowledge about the way things work and issues of importance, and I believe he cares more about the americian public than the O does. The O is going to need all the help he can get because he has no experience whatsoever, so I think employing people that do have experience is his first wise decision while waiting for everything to work out.
Not at all happy with the first step
Closing Gitmo.
I am terrified of the thought of Obama closing Guantanamo. They are terrorists .. dangerous individuals. And should not be treated like they pickpocketed a wallet. Why not move them into the White House. That way there’s plenty of secret service to monitor them. And they will have all the conveniences that a terrorist should have .. a warm, clean bed, food .. a home theater .. a bowling alley .. and why not let them use the pool. How about giving them jobs (when we need jobs in the US), give them food stamps. I know free tuition.
Yes, I agree there are prisoners there that really do not belong there and do need a fair trial, but a majority of them are the worst of all. The ones who brought about 911. Even Saddam Hussein was there.
They are not US citizens and do not have the same rights as do we Americans. Obama is simply catering to his ACLU lawyer cronies without any regard for the damage it does to our national security, safety of our military, or the US Justice system.
The countries from where these terrorists are from don’t even want them. What does he plan on doing, sending them to our homeland to rest on our soil? That doesn’t make any sense!
First step to getting out of a hole -
What magical universe do you live in where you can get out of debt by racking up more debt?
Freeze...step away from the Kool-Aid. nm
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Next step to socialism.......government
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I'll step forward.......
I have two choices here, more taxes or no more taxes. Now, in light of the current situation that will now tax us more, before all this, Obama has not been shy about taxing, taxing, taxing, to pay for all his little social programs, which for the most part are jokes. And for those that don't believe this is a racial issue, think again. He came out punching at first, spouting all his plans for more social programs, more this, more that, bigger government, and that means higher taxes for all...all except those that don't pay taxes in the first place and live off the government, which he is well aware of and aware that these same people usually don't vote but he is going after them with everything he's got, including ACORN, because he doesn't care how he gets their vote, just that he gets it.
McCain has directly said he will not add more taxes, he wants smaller government, less government interference in our lives. As it should be. The government's main role is to basically run a military to protect this country, not to tax its citizens.
Obama has said nothing about smaller government, less government interference in our lives but instead has said just the opposite. Now, I understand with so many voting for him that already need someone to tell them what to do, how to feel, how to think, etc., that won't be a far stretch to believe that the government is their friend and ally, but sadly enough he likes it that way.
I don't particularly care for either one of them. Ron Paul would have done it for me, but with what I am left with, I choose between less government or more government. More government = more taxes !!!!! You can't argue that point.
Where is he planning to get this money. Well, he has spouted the fact that bringing our troops home will free up that money to be put here......I'll believe it when I see it. If he ever gets his hands on that kind of money, he will have blown it on more social programs and babysitting programs for lazy parents, who suck the blood out of my paycheck in the first place, all for the sake of making their children smarter. Pleeeeeze.....the only thing that will make anyone's child smarter is having a parent that gives a d*mn in the first place, not more taxes thrown at the problem. You don't need more taxes to read to your child, put a book in the home (hey, the library is free), talk to your child instead of the ususal phrases of condemnation I hear around here, make sure they do their homework, basically just be involved. No one needs to pay more taxes to get that.
More social programs = socialization of a country. But, for those that believe he will save them from themselves, Obama is loving it. Because these are the same people that freak out at the thought of thinking for themselves, not being dependent on the government for their lives.
No rights? They have the right to step up to the plate.
They have the right to support their child. Unfortunately, mother nature did not give them the capacity to bear children. What they do not have the right to do is to force a woman to be their own personal incubator against her will. If they do not want to be stripped of their reproductive rights, perhaps they should take their own measures to prevent unwanted pregnancies (condoms, vasectomy) or practice abstinence and keep their pants zipped.
Yeah, and she went a step further earlier and said...(sm)
in her own words *Can you not see what is happening? Hitler was elected into office during a democratic state. I am not saying that O is Hitler, what I am saying is that someone with such extreme ideas has been elected to the highest power and there are many signs pointing to the fact that we are going to see some changes that even those that voted for him are not going to like.* That's in the *I am a democrat* post.
Just because you say you didn't call him Hitler right after you did, doesn't mean you didn't do it in the first place.
The first step is always the hardest. Next lession...(sm)
changing screen names....LOL
I'll take the repair step one further
Let's propose that any store that sells any electronics, or anything mechanically breakable, in fact, must have a repair guy on duty for people that need to have it repaired. I'm sick of everything SUPPOSEDLY under warranty that requires you ship it at your own expense to Timbucktoo in its original packing on a Thursday if you want to even TRY to get it fixed - and of course it always disappears during shipping, never to be seen again. Remember back in the day where you bought an appliance at a store and could take it back there to get it repaired? We need to buy things locally and fix them locally again! We want parts manufactured to fix things and we want repairment trained and ready for us - jobs and more jobs!
I would never tell you to walk lock-step
in MY footprints, that would be blasphemy.
No, we are telling you that Jesus wants you to walk in HIS footsteps. He knows that we will wander, He knows that we will sometimes lose sight of His footsteps, but if we trust Him He will guide us back.
Gingrich didn't have to step down
from being the speaker. He resigned of his own accord. He was not forced to resign.
A Big Step for Homeless Veterans
As a Veteran, a former State Director of Veterans Affairs and now as Assistant Secretary at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs I understand the urgent need to address homelessness. Last week’s meeting of the U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness with Secretary Shinseki, and his counterparts at HUD, Labor and HHS, took an important step in coordinating our efforts to eliminate homelessness in our country. The VA estimates that one-third of homeless Americans served in the military, so this partnership is central to our efforts to help these brave soldiers.
One important outcome of the meeting was the announcement of an additional $75 million in housing vouchers. This new money will provide shelter for an additional 10,000 homeless Veterans and their families. These resources offer vital support to a community in need.
For state and local Veterans’ agencies, these funds come at a time when many local budgets are being squeezed by the current economic situation. While the VA works hard to offer support services and case management to eligible homeless veterans, local agencies play a crucial role in the care of these individuals.
Our nation's Veterans placed the good of the nation before their own and we are all dishonored when even a single Veteran sleeps on the street. I am proud of this administration’s commitment to fulfilling our nation’s promise to these brave soldiers. I look forward to working with my colleagues throughout government and the private sector to continue to fight this problem and make sure that no Veteran or American has to face the harsh reality of being homeless.
Tammy Duckworth is the Assistant Secretary of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs for the Department of Veterans Affairs.
If you would step out of paranoid palace for a moment..
point to me ONE place where I advocated killing all Muslims. All I said was, and the only question I asked was, why don't the peace-loving Muslims denounce the murders within their own ranks who are hijacking their peaceful religion to justify killing of innocents and hatred of anything nonMuslim? And you rant and you rant, but you never answer that. And again..it was the Muslim extremists who called what they were doing jihad...I did not call it that, I simply repeated what they said. For someone who is supposedly educated, you certainly run from questions when they are posed to you. And by the way...education does not give you the right to be rude, and rude you are lady...and if you are the poster child for an education...I believe you get the idea.
Still resisting that step out of your comfort zone.
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Its all over the internet that the plan has been for Biden to step down (sm)
and Hillary to take his place.
You can march in lock step with the Marxist...
socialist idea of "equal opportunity for all Americans" if you like. He was the member of a church for 20 years that preached black liberation theology. It is NOT about equal opporunity for ALL Americans. Programmed is right. Get with it? Not in this lifetime.
This is a day for us to simply step back and stand together
progressives, conservatives liberals and the like...just simply as Americans, waking up and greeting the dawn of a new day.
Ma'am, step away from the mirror and no one will get hurt. LOL.
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Public opinion made him step down...(sm)
You do remember the circumstances? Gingrich was having an affair at the same time that he was on Clinton for his indiscretions? Yeah, keep on talking about morals Newt.....
NO dream world here, Bush is one step better than Al Qaeda
He and Cheney are crooks. AL Qaeda are the bad guys but guess what, they aren't in Iraq? We were tricked into supporting a bogus self centered war for bush and cheney to make MONEY.
Has anyone here ever run for office?
Local,state, whatever. There seems to be a lot of complaining about how terrible the politicians are, but curious to know if anyone has ever run for office or actually held an elected position.
I certainly haven't.
GP, I think you should run for office
then when you get to Washington, you can clean up their act. 
TL office
The office I worked in was in Houston. TL was actually started by an MT. I forget the name.
lying in office
It was a personal matter between he and his wife and Monica. He only lied when the govt tried to pry into his private life. It had nothing to do with national security, and since he was impeached for lying, Im just waiting for Bush to get impeached or Rove to be fired for lying about giving out the name of Valerie Plame to reporters to out her. If there is gonna be a standard about lying while in office, it should work for this administration too. One saving grace on that, the prosecutor, Fitzgerald, seems like a tough guy who does not take sides but finds out the truth.
Hope this guy never wants to run for office..
you know what they do to people who return their medals...those commie pinkos !!!!
A Veteran’s Letter to the President:
“I Return Enclosed the Symbols of My Years of Service”
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by Joseph DuRocher |
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President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, D.C. 20500
Dear Mr. President:
As a young man I was honored to serve our nation as a commissioned officer and helicopter pilot in the
U. S. Navy. Before me in WWII, my father defended the country spending two years in the Pacific aboard the U.S.S. Hornet (CV-14). We were patriots sworn “to protect and defend”. Today I conclude that you have dishonored our service and the Constitution and principles of our oath. My dad was buried with full military honors so I cannot act for him. But for myself, I return enclosed the symbols of my years of service: the shoulder boards of my rank and my Naval Aviator’s wings.
Until your administration, I believed it was inconceivable that the United States would ever initiate an aggressive and preemptive war against a country that posed no threat to us. Until your administration, I thought it was impossible for our nation to take hundreds of persons into custody without provable charges of any kind, and to “disappear” them into holes like Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and Bagram. Until your administration, in my wildest legal fantasy I could not imagine a U.S. Attorney General seeking to justify torture or a President first stating his intent to veto an anti-torture law, and then adding a “signing statement” that he intends to ignore such law as he sees fit. I do not want these things done in my name.
As a citizen, a patriot, a parent and grandparent, a lawyer and law teacher I am left with such a feeling of loss and helplessness. I think of myself as a good American and I ask myself what can I do when I see the face of evil? Illegal and immoral war, torture and confinement for life without trial have never been part of our Constitutional tradition. But my vote has become meaningless because I live in a safe district drawn by your political party. My congressman is unresponsive to my concerns because his time is filled with lobbyists’ largess. Protests are limited to your “free speech zones”, out of sight of the parade. Even speaking openly is to risk being labeled un-American, pro-terrorist or anti-troops. And I am a disciplined pacifist, so any violent act is out of the question.
Nevertheless, to remain silent is to let you think I approve or support your actions. I do not. So, I am saddened to give up my wings and bars. They were hard won and my parents and wife were as proud as I was when I earned them over forty years ago. But I hate the torture and death you have caused more than I value their symbolism. Giving them up makes me cry for my beloved country.
Joseph W. DuRocher
Joseph DuRocher was for 20 years the elected Public Defender of Florida’s Ninth Judicial Circuit, covering Orange and Osceola counties. Since retirement, he’s been writing and teaching law at the University of Central Florida and the Barry University School of Law. He was a commissioned officer in the U.S. Navy in the 1960s, serving as a Naval Aviator in the Atlantic, the Caribbean and the Mediterranean. On Monday, Mr. DuRocher returned his Lieutenant’s shoulder bars and Navy wings to President Bush, and enclosed the following letter. Mr. DuRocher can be reached at: PDJWD@aol.com.
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Every second he was in office he was investigated. sm
I do not know how the man stood it. Arizona even introduced a bill to succeed because of constitutional complaints concerning Clinton, HRC 2034. Where is that bill now? No president has trashed the constitution like Bush.
I know MTs that have become office managers
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If the 'pubs end up in office again, all I can say is
Maybe he should run for some other government office.
They are in office for the last 8 years right?
and all yall voted for Bush right?
What about her office redecoration...sm
with city funds????
From the Huffington Post 9/17:
"Sarah Palin has been touting herself as fiscal watchdog throughout her political career. But Palin's tenure as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, was characterized by waste, cronyism and incompetence, according to government officials in the Matanuska Valley, where she began her fairy-tale political rise.
"Executive abilities? She doesn't have any," said former Wasilla City Council member Nick Carney, who selected and groomed Palin for her first political race in 1992 and served with her after her election to the City Council.
Four years later, the ambitious Palin won the Wasilla mayor's office -- after scorching the "tax and spend mentality" of her incumbent opponent. But Carney, Palin's estranged former mentor, and others in city hall were astounded when they found out about a lavish expenditure of Palin's own after her 1996 election. According to Carney, the newly elected mayor spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office, without the council's authorization."
and from David Talbot at salon.com:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/17/palin_mayor/
Yes. He will be voted into office and be
He is a fine AMERICAN citizen who has dedicated his life to public service, has run a brilliant campaign, won over a "commanding" lead in the polls and will be making history in just 48 short hours or so.
8 years in office? sm
Pretty sure of yourself, aren't you, GP?
My husband just came into my office...sm
He was just watching Bill O'Reilly, and my husband said the most interesting things.
Ann Coulter is a humorist, not a politician. She says outrageous things, and sometimes they're funny (sometimes not, I guess). It's how she sells her books.
And I guess Bill and Ann don't like each other much.
The things she says offends those that are center right, and she really offended Bill O'Reilly. Bill thinks she gives conservatives a bad name, and part of that seems to be true.
But I have to agree with him. She can be very offensive in the way she talks and writes. Even though a lot of what she writes about may be true, she's not very nice about it.
No wonder she offends people.
Only 2 weeks in office and already
By what criteria? What he may or may not do? The stimulus package is only in the debate stage at this point, so no one can say what it will end up looking like. Before passing judgement and handing out indictments, suppose you at least wait until the verbs move from the subjunctive into the indicative moods and while you are at it, don't forget to factor in by way of comparison 8 years of lies, corruption, enrichment of corporate America and the wealthy on the backs of the middle class, scorched earth foreign policy, circumvention of the Constitution at every turn and that teeny-tiny thing we call torture
You mean the one they voted in BEFORE O took office?
a couple of weeks back, the first words out of Obama's mouth when he addressed his White House Staff were announcing a salary freeze on highly paid WH aides. Remember?
Wehether or not the Congress is able to vote in yet another salary increase in the future remains to be seen, doesn't it now? My question to you is why you are dodging the subject at hand? Please explain to me why the govt should not cap TARP CEO salaries?
I work in an office. EVERYONE there is against this
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My doc's office must be slipping...(sm)
They haven't asked me for my voter registration card yet, and I didn't see any signs when I went in denoting them as a dem or pub establishment. 
Consider the mentality of those who put him in office
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I never asked you what you did. sm
I made the statement that you are a whiner. I would never tell the personal information some of you have on here, just for safety's sake if nothing else.
YOU ASKED ME !!!!..
I do not remember specificially but you asked me where were my legs and my mouth. What did I do besides coming to the C board and whining and I answered you.
The peace **movement** as you call it is different from a peaceful nonviolent approach to life. The movement is but one small fraction of trying to live a life of nonviolence. The **movement** shows its face big time when a tragedy the size of Iraq erupts but most of the time we work behind the scenes.
Again, this is our board, I'll preach to the choir as much as I want. If you don't like it, don't read it, how simple is that.
You seem to see promotion of a peaceful existence as one thing and that is resistance to war, or conflict or whatever they are calling it these days. It's all about the **them**, the politburo, the Viet Cong, the communists, the socialists, the terrorists. I don't see things that way. I see a bigger picture, bigger than this country or Iraq or Iran or China or this planet or this galaxy. I have been instructed in no uncertain terms how to behave towards my fellow man. There are no riders attached. That is the part that seems to be so hard for you to deal with. Christ instructed us to love our brothers as ourselves, to do for the least of our brethern as if we were doing for Him. He does not say, except for the drug addicts, the alcoholics, the bums, the slackers, the liars and thieves...there are no riders. That is for Him to sort out, not me.
The terrorists you refer to are everywhere. It is a mind set, not a place. They are here in our country, they are certainly in Europe, in the Philippines, in Africa, in the islands of the South Pacific, Indonesia. It makes no sense to go somewhere else and protest. We have to look at ourselves first, always. Your approach seems to be to wage war on everyone. I think that is an exercise in futility. I will stick with my approach. I will continue to pray, continue to do the things I have always done. I empathize with your position, knowing where you come from but I will never see killing as a way to accomplish anything positive. I also sincerely truly and honestly believe the terrorists hate each other more than they hate us and that we would not be in any more danger if we left Iraq than if we stay; in fact, I think just the opposite, the longer we stay, the worse things will become. It is a horrible position our troops have been put into. They were sent into an immoral, unethical, illegal snake pit by people who have never seen a day of combat in their lives, who got out because they had **other priorities.** And now they're stuck and we're stuck and whatever way we extricate ourselves it will not have a good outcome. My own personal opinion is that it is better to get out now and save what lives we can. I know you disagree, so be it.
By the way, I have one question for those of you who have served in the military or have husbands who have done so or are still doing so, doesn't the fact that people like Cheney with 5 deferments bother you/them. That no one who has sent people into war have actually been there themselves. Doesn't that bother you??
As you asked, here's a few...
These are just from the past week. There's plenty, plenty more, a veritable ton to choose from......
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Can we just admit it...you don't care what the facts are.
What a twisted value system. Twisted.
Here she is folks...the aspiring Ann Coulter of the liberal board.
Don't pretend you actually talk about issues here. You don't.
You do not believe your own platform.
Yeah....liberal compassion. I see a LOT of that on this board....
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Ahh....the writ handed down from she who decides who and who does not deserve compassion. lol.
You care nothing about the truth. I don't even know if you recognize it anymore. Pathetic.
Cannot let go of prejudice long enough to see the truth when it is in plain black and white.
Again...if this is a liberal trait then God save us from liberals...
Typical pile on attack liberal tactics. Just admit it. You know they are lying, you just don't care.
What a twisted, twisted set of values you have.
Denial, denial, denial. It is so patently obvious...you cannot get past the Bush hatred...cannot see the forest for the trees. Amazing....utterly, completely, amazing
You have so much class, reveille...really, so much class. You could not debate an issue if your life depended upon it. Let us hope that it never does.
LOL. You do love to wallow in it.... (to Piglet)
Once again, you get what you asked for
I gave it to you and you want to call it retoric. You just can't stand it because you have nothing else to go on. Your own man for president is disliked by his own VP. Strange bed fellas indeed. Gotta wonder what's going on there and just how Obama got talked into Biden for his VP.
Didn't you say show us your facts? What about it don't you like? I admit, it doesn't look good does it?
At least Palin wasn't caught putting down McCain left and right. That bothers you I know but too bad.
You can you tube it and find it yourself since even proof isn't good enough for you.
Such denial you guys are in.
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