Next step to socialism.......government
Posted By: ownership of banks.....nm on 2008-10-09
In Reply to: Get Ready to Pay off your credit cards - hang on a minute
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True statement. Big government = socialism.
Socialism evolves into Marxism and dictatorship. Venezuela anyone?
Socialism involves state/government involvement
and they therefore help make decisions for those businesses. That is pure socialism. I was just waiting for their butts to get involved in the banks like this.....I'm sure they were planning this from the onset of this crisis.
It is a step
We certainly cannot let these large employers fail. Obama's team can think this through in the meantime and modify things in the future to benefit the nation. Doing nothing cannot be an option.
Our party definitely needs to step up. sm
It's come to the point that I don't even know what our party values anymore. Just a bunch of different groups trying to elevate their cause with no clear focus. What is our agenda? I'm listening, but our elected officials are not talking.
Is Senator Kennedy the last Dem standing? At least he and Murtha speak their minds and challenge this administration. And I'm dog tired of hearing what the republicans got wrong. Though I think they have a nice stack of issues, I want to hear what our party is going to do to fix the Iraqi situation, what would they do in Louisiana and Missisippi differently if they had the ball in their court and what are they willing to fight for to effect change? What will they do to make America safer from domestic and foreign terrorists? Offer up some solutions. Maybe they have, but I haven't heard anything.
Hillary, though I'm still a fan of hers, seems to ride whichever wave she's on. Howard Dean is a live wire who says the first thing that floats to his brain, off the wall. He does not have the carisma to lead the party to victory IMHO.
As far as the republicans, I'm tired of hearing about gay marriages and abortions. I do not think these are America's main issues, not even close. I want to hear something other than rhetoric about how good Iraqi is doing too.
And I was just having a conversation earlier this week with a friend of mine who agrees with me that we have seen MORE gays and lesbians emerge since Bush took office. And before you get it wrong conservatives, I'm not saying he is creating them. It may be that the gays are rebelling and being more blatant with it to spite the anti-gay politicians, and/or all of the attention brought to gay marriage and gay this and that have only lured more young people into this culture as a reverse effect. I think the latter is more likely because rewind back to 2000, it was less likely you would see woman/woman, man/man hand in hand in the supermarket. Now, it's just as normal as man/woman and I'm in the bible belt, Alabama.
I agree with the poster who asked the question *where was THIS Al Gore 8 years ago?* Maybe, they'll wise up and make him head of the DNC. Say, *Thanks Dr. Dean for your services but we won't be needing them anymore.*
Either way, this administration NEEDS more disenting voices with SOLUTIONS-this is key-not just rhetoric because on major issues they have been allowed to runamuck basically uncontested for the last five years.
If we keep it up at this rate though I agree it's bad news for America.
Should Hillary step down?
I've heard people say she should step down before things get worse within the party. That it would be the best for the Democrat party.
Thoughts, opinions, comments?
I bet you step on bugs
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When is the GOP going to step up to the plate and
their own VP pick and the shambles it finds itself in now? When?
At least its a step in the right direction
But I won't believe it until it happens.
While I did not want McCain as president I do believe that he has a lot of knowledge about the way things work and issues of importance, and I believe he cares more about the americian public than the O does. The O is going to need all the help he can get because he has no experience whatsoever, so I think employing people that do have experience is his first wise decision while waiting for everything to work out.
Not at all happy with the first step
Closing Gitmo.
I am terrified of the thought of Obama closing Guantanamo. They are terrorists .. dangerous individuals. And should not be treated like they pickpocketed a wallet. Why not move them into the White House. That way there’s plenty of secret service to monitor them. And they will have all the conveniences that a terrorist should have .. a warm, clean bed, food .. a home theater .. a bowling alley .. and why not let them use the pool. How about giving them jobs (when we need jobs in the US), give them food stamps. I know free tuition.
Yes, I agree there are prisoners there that really do not belong there and do need a fair trial, but a majority of them are the worst of all. The ones who brought about 911. Even Saddam Hussein was there.
They are not US citizens and do not have the same rights as do we Americans. Obama is simply catering to his ACLU lawyer cronies without any regard for the damage it does to our national security, safety of our military, or the US Justice system.
The countries from where these terrorists are from don’t even want them. What does he plan on doing, sending them to our homeland to rest on our soil? That doesn’t make any sense!
First step to getting out of a hole -
What magical universe do you live in where you can get out of debt by racking up more debt?
Freeze...step away from the Kool-Aid. nm
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I'll step forward.......
I have two choices here, more taxes or no more taxes. Now, in light of the current situation that will now tax us more, before all this, Obama has not been shy about taxing, taxing, taxing, to pay for all his little social programs, which for the most part are jokes. And for those that don't believe this is a racial issue, think again. He came out punching at first, spouting all his plans for more social programs, more this, more that, bigger government, and that means higher taxes for all...all except those that don't pay taxes in the first place and live off the government, which he is well aware of and aware that these same people usually don't vote but he is going after them with everything he's got, including ACORN, because he doesn't care how he gets their vote, just that he gets it.
McCain has directly said he will not add more taxes, he wants smaller government, less government interference in our lives. As it should be. The government's main role is to basically run a military to protect this country, not to tax its citizens.
Obama has said nothing about smaller government, less government interference in our lives but instead has said just the opposite. Now, I understand with so many voting for him that already need someone to tell them what to do, how to feel, how to think, etc., that won't be a far stretch to believe that the government is their friend and ally, but sadly enough he likes it that way.
I don't particularly care for either one of them. Ron Paul would have done it for me, but with what I am left with, I choose between less government or more government. More government = more taxes !!!!! You can't argue that point.
Where is he planning to get this money. Well, he has spouted the fact that bringing our troops home will free up that money to be put here......I'll believe it when I see it. If he ever gets his hands on that kind of money, he will have blown it on more social programs and babysitting programs for lazy parents, who suck the blood out of my paycheck in the first place, all for the sake of making their children smarter. Pleeeeeze.....the only thing that will make anyone's child smarter is having a parent that gives a d*mn in the first place, not more taxes thrown at the problem. You don't need more taxes to read to your child, put a book in the home (hey, the library is free), talk to your child instead of the ususal phrases of condemnation I hear around here, make sure they do their homework, basically just be involved. No one needs to pay more taxes to get that.
More social programs = socialization of a country. But, for those that believe he will save them from themselves, Obama is loving it. Because these are the same people that freak out at the thought of thinking for themselves, not being dependent on the government for their lives.
No rights? They have the right to step up to the plate.
They have the right to support their child. Unfortunately, mother nature did not give them the capacity to bear children. What they do not have the right to do is to force a woman to be their own personal incubator against her will. If they do not want to be stripped of their reproductive rights, perhaps they should take their own measures to prevent unwanted pregnancies (condoms, vasectomy) or practice abstinence and keep their pants zipped.
Yeah, and she went a step further earlier and said...(sm)
in her own words *Can you not see what is happening? Hitler was elected into office during a democratic state. I am not saying that O is Hitler, what I am saying is that someone with such extreme ideas has been elected to the highest power and there are many signs pointing to the fact that we are going to see some changes that even those that voted for him are not going to like.* That's in the *I am a democrat* post.
Just because you say you didn't call him Hitler right after you did, doesn't mean you didn't do it in the first place.
The first step is always the hardest. Next lession...(sm)
changing screen names....LOL
I'll take the repair step one further
Let's propose that any store that sells any electronics, or anything mechanically breakable, in fact, must have a repair guy on duty for people that need to have it repaired. I'm sick of everything SUPPOSEDLY under warranty that requires you ship it at your own expense to Timbucktoo in its original packing on a Thursday if you want to even TRY to get it fixed - and of course it always disappears during shipping, never to be seen again. Remember back in the day where you bought an appliance at a store and could take it back there to get it repaired? We need to buy things locally and fix them locally again! We want parts manufactured to fix things and we want repairment trained and ready for us - jobs and more jobs!
I would never tell you to walk lock-step
in MY footprints, that would be blasphemy.
No, we are telling you that Jesus wants you to walk in HIS footsteps. He knows that we will wander, He knows that we will sometimes lose sight of His footsteps, but if we trust Him He will guide us back.
Gingrich didn't have to step down
from being the speaker. He resigned of his own accord. He was not forced to resign.
A Big Step for Homeless Veterans
As a Veteran, a former State Director of Veterans Affairs and now as Assistant Secretary at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs I understand the urgent need to address homelessness. Last week’s meeting of the U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness with Secretary Shinseki, and his counterparts at HUD, Labor and HHS, took an important step in coordinating our efforts to eliminate homelessness in our country. The VA estimates that one-third of homeless Americans served in the military, so this partnership is central to our efforts to help these brave soldiers.
One important outcome of the meeting was the announcement of an additional $75 million in housing vouchers. This new money will provide shelter for an additional 10,000 homeless Veterans and their families. These resources offer vital support to a community in need.
For state and local Veterans’ agencies, these funds come at a time when many local budgets are being squeezed by the current economic situation. While the VA works hard to offer support services and case management to eligible homeless veterans, local agencies play a crucial role in the care of these individuals.
Our nation's Veterans placed the good of the nation before their own and we are all dishonored when even a single Veteran sleeps on the street. I am proud of this administration’s commitment to fulfilling our nation’s promise to these brave soldiers. I look forward to working with my colleagues throughout government and the private sector to continue to fight this problem and make sure that no Veteran or American has to face the harsh reality of being homeless.
Tammy Duckworth is the Assistant Secretary of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs for the Department of Veterans Affairs.
If you would step out of paranoid palace for a moment..
point to me ONE place where I advocated killing all Muslims. All I said was, and the only question I asked was, why don't the peace-loving Muslims denounce the murders within their own ranks who are hijacking their peaceful religion to justify killing of innocents and hatred of anything nonMuslim? And you rant and you rant, but you never answer that. And again..it was the Muslim extremists who called what they were doing jihad...I did not call it that, I simply repeated what they said. For someone who is supposedly educated, you certainly run from questions when they are posed to you. And by the way...education does not give you the right to be rude, and rude you are lady...and if you are the poster child for an education...I believe you get the idea.
Still resisting that step out of your comfort zone.
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Its all over the internet that the plan has been for Biden to step down (sm)
and Hillary to take his place.
You can march in lock step with the Marxist...
socialist idea of "equal opportunity for all Americans" if you like. He was the member of a church for 20 years that preached black liberation theology. It is NOT about equal opporunity for ALL Americans. Programmed is right. Get with it? Not in this lifetime.
This is a day for us to simply step back and stand together
progressives, conservatives liberals and the like...just simply as Americans, waking up and greeting the dawn of a new day.
McCain also asked him to step down from office
So, you are upset about this republican being in office and think republicans are all christians and christians do not sin. Well, I am upset about Emanuel and his background and is now chief of staff for the O. That is more important to me right now.
Ma'am, step away from the mirror and no one will get hurt. LOL.
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Public opinion made him step down...(sm)
You do remember the circumstances? Gingrich was having an affair at the same time that he was on Clinton for his indiscretions? Yeah, keep on talking about morals Newt.....
NO dream world here, Bush is one step better than Al Qaeda
He and Cheney are crooks. AL Qaeda are the bad guys but guess what, they aren't in Iraq? We were tricked into supporting a bogus self centered war for bush and cheney to make MONEY.
Socialism
AMEN!!!
The era of socialism
With the bailout by the US government, each and every one of us will be mortgage lenders to the tune of $7000 per taxpayer. We will officially be socialists, brought to you by your favorite political party the REPUBLICANS.
what's so bad about socialism?
bring it on!
You won't get socialism. That is #1....
and frankly my greatest concern with Obama.
McCain is the only one talking about reforming Washington, freezing spending except in crucial programs until we get out of this mess...he is talking about more affordable health care, not government controlled health care. Yes, Obama says you can keep your employer insurance and if you can't, the government will take care of you. HOw long do you think employers will be able to offer insurance under Obama's socialist agenda? Not long, because he is increasing taxes on them. And not accidentally either. One step further down the road to socialism.
And I am ready for naming names and showing some responsibility. Unless Obama is an id*ot, he knows that Dodd and Frank are up to their eyeballs in this mess. He should call for their resignations. THAT would show character, which seems to be important to you. The democratic leadership instead PRAISE them for their roles in engineering this bailout. That to me is a total LACK of character. McCain called for the resignation of the Republican involved...Chris Cox. THAT is character.
I see absolutely nothing but a downhill spiral in an Obama administration. The USSA. Venezuela north. NO thank you.
Not only socialism....
he is not even President yet and his campaign and followers are practicing big-time intimidation. That reporter in Florida had the guts to ask Biden a hard question, the campaign says no soup for you! Cancelled the rest of the scheduled interviews. Said they would not be given access in an Obama administration. A maxed-out contributor to Obama's campaign ordered a background check on Joe the Plumber...just an average American who asked Obama a hard question. People have been threatened when they say anything negative about him. What are these people going to do if they get REAL power? Food for thought.
socialism
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.
So it's okay to consistently call Obama a socialist and not Palin? Do you even look this stuff up or is that just you being Mavericky?
socialism
An economics professor at Texas Tech University , Lubbock , TX said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. The majority of that class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism.
All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. After the first test the grades were averaged, everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second Test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.
The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else.
All failed to their great surprise and the professor told them that socialism would ultimately fail because the harder to succeed the greater the reward but when a government takes all the reward away, no one will try or succeed.
When You Reward Failure, All You Get is More Failure!
Viva socialism!!
if you're going to make a statement gt don't beat around the bush. Just come right out and say it.
I'm sure they would welcome you with open arms.
socialism-capitalism
Libby, I have always believed in socialism..socialism and capitalism can work hand in hand. Socialism has nothing to do with communism or dictatorship..it has to do with providing the life essentials to ALL people, shelter, food, health care, a job for all..respect and not poverty for all, oil to heat our homes in the winter so we dont freeze to death! For pete sake..It blows my mind that the richest country in the world allows some to die in the streets, homeless. Families in the streets homeless..Those that want jobs cant find them or if they do, it is minimum wage..How the heck can ANYONE survive on minimum wage? There are just too many capitalists who are making money off of the middle class and working poor and they have strong lobbyists and politicians being paid off to pass bills to help them and companies who no longer care about the workers..
Enough of the socialism accusations
Here's you link expanded.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
1. Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
2. a: A system of society or group living in which there is no private property. b: A system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3. A stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.
Notice that socialism is predicated on the concept of collective/governmental ownership of private property. Here are a couple of links for you. Looks like Obama is pretty much into private ownership. The list below is of title to various economic stimulus plans. They pretty much seem to be centered around free enterprise concepts. Now show me your links where Obama has indicated abolishing private ownership and replacing it with government collective ownership, if you don't mind.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
“I believe that America's free market has been the engine of America's great progress. It's created a prosperity that is the envy of the world. It's led to a standard of living unmatched in history. And it has provided great rewards to the innovators and risk-takers who have made America a beacon for science, and technology, and discovery. We are all in this together. From CEOs to shareholders, from financiers to factory workers, we all have a stake in each other's success because the more Americans prosper, the more America prospers.”— Barack Obama, New York, NY, September 17, 2007
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#home-ownership
Plan to Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud.
Create a New FHA Housing Security Program
Create a Universal Mortgage Credit
Ensure More Accountability in the Subprime Mortgage Industry
Mandate Accurate Loan Disclosure
Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures
Close Bankruptcy Loophole for Mortgage Companies
Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund
Provide $10 billion in Relief for State and Local Governments Hardest-Hit by the Housing Crisis to Prevent Cuts in Vital Services
Invest in our Next Generation Innovators and Job Creators
Double Funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership/Job creation
Invest In A Clean Energy Economy And Create 5 Million New Green Jobs
Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies
Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs
Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies
Raise the Minimum Wage
Expand the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit
There are many more examples but I just got tired of cut and paste.
She's smart enough what socialism is all
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You got it, Sam.... and socialism will kill our
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Socialism IS an issue. nm
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No socialism, nobama, no way. nm
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Socialism vs dictatorship
Didn't Bush make the comment, "if this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so I'm the dictator." Well, he appointed himself the "decider" didn't he? We're closer to a dictatorship than we've ever been. I will not be totally surprised if we come under martial law before the election takes place. There are major issues at stake here people. Instead of arguing for or against McCain/Palin, Obama/Biden, we need to discussing what we can do to change the course of America and neither of these clowns are going to provide the change we need...that is going back to government of the people, for the people. So long as they can keep us fighting over Democrats/Republicans, we don't have time to address the REAL ISSUES. Our very freedom is at risk!!!!!
We all better study up on socialism..it's on its way
if people don't smarten up and look beyond the promises and pretty speeches.
Is that your only argument for socialism?
My word....people are committing adultery on both sides of the fence, that will never change. What in the world does that have to do with socialism and socialists candidate?
I know what the definition of socialism is
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Sounds like socialism. nm
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"Hopeful" for what? socialism? No, they are
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Socialism Question
For those who are crying socialism; how come no one has said that about the credits people get for having children (for how long now)? Childless people are contributing money for that.
Isn't our government suppose to work for the good of all (to the best it can)? I think it's called team work not socialism.
It has to be examined and monitored carefully so there are no gross malfunctions. There have been. It's time to reorganize.
we are not being forced into socialism -
Obama is not a socialist.
I might would agree that we woudl be socialized if Hillary had won, but I do not consider Obama a socialist.
We have had aspects of socialism since
the introduction of income tax and the creation of social security. We are even farther into a socialistic state with the recent bailouts and the more to come. As far as your concerns about a Marxist state, you have fewer of your constitutionally guaranteed rights now than ever before.
It is not going to matter who is president, the next few years are going to be tough.
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