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Need help with YouTube war protest arrest video

Posted By: viewed 500,000 times yesterday. SM on 2008-09-04
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While researching war protests from yesterday, I came across this interesting article. 


http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003845496


I tried to view this video through numerous direct and indirect links.  I am able to get video, but no audio.  It appears that Amy Goodman, investigative reporter, age 51, and her crew were arrested while trying to report of the RNC convention protests.  Without sound, it looks like she was not in the middle of anything particularly dramatic.  All I could see was street and building, no spectators.  It looked like she tried to talk to the officers and they spontaneously started manhandling her, detaining, cuffing and ultimately arrested her.  I am curious about the conversation that was going on but have been unable to find audio and video together. 


 


Is there anyone else who has viewed this video WITH the audio.  If so could you possibly post the link you used.  I am asking because my computer does not seem to be having any problem with other audio on video clips.  For anyone who is not deeply offended by news reporting of the war protest, I have included another link to an LA Times article about the arrest below.


 


 


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/amy-goodman-arr.html





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Video on YouTube.
She laid a stink bomb while the reporter just sat there stunned.
Well, then, let's arrest the leakers. Here they are:

*We've established a foreign terrorist asset tracking center at the Department of the Treasury to identify and investigate the financial infrastructure of the international terrorist networks.*  (September 24, 2001, George W. Bush, President of the United States)


*We have begun to act to block assets to seize books, records and evidence and to follow audit trails to track terror cells poised to do violence to our common interests.*  (November 7, 2001, Paul O'Neill, Secretary of the United States Treasury)


Supportive husband just revealed has DWI arrest!!! LOL nm
LOL
Jeb's son arrested for public intoxication, resisting arrest

Is the entire FAMILY a bunch of drunks and drug addicts?  (Or, as neocons would say, Yea!  Let's make him president!)


Jeb Bush's son arrested for public intoxication, resisting arrest

The Associated Press

September 16. 2005 5:32PM

John Ellis Bush, the youngest son of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, was arrested early Friday and charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest, law enforcement officials in Texas said.

The 21-year-old nephew of President Bush was arrested by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission at 2:30 a.m. Friday on a corner of Austin's Sixth Street bar district, said spokesman Roger Wade.

John Ellis Bush was released on $2,500 bond for resisting arrest, and on a personal recognizance bond for the public intoxication charge, officials said.

Alia Faraj, the spokeswoman for Jeb Bush said the incident is a personal family matter which the governor and his wife are dealing with privately.

It's not the first time Florida's first family has experienced legal problems with one of their children.

Noelle Bush, the governor's daughter, was arrested in January 2002 and was accused of trying to pass a fraudulent prescription at a Tallahassee pharmacy to obtain the anti-anxiety drug Xanax. She completed a drug rehabilitation program in August 2003 and a judge dismissed the drug charges against her.

Noelle Bush was sent to jail twice for violating rules during her rehab stint. She was jailed for three days in July 2002 after being caught with prescription pills and served 10 days a month later after being accused of having a small rock of crack cocaine in her shoe


Hillarious video...Old video of Obama roasting Rahm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/11/obama-emanuel-r.html
If you go to YouTube...(sm)
you can find a ton of videos posted by protestors.  Warning:  Many are very, very graphic.  This and facebook is actually where the news stations are getting a lot of their coverage.  Just type in, for example, "Iran June 25." 
I watched in on youtube.com...sm
She is a good speaker, very influential, and her voice needs to be heard in the Arab community. However, nothing she said convinced me that war in Iraq has brought stability there.
What is your youtube link?
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More like YouTube talk...nm
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Find and look at the youtube below on DNC former chairman on
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Might as well believe the media if you're going to believe everything on youtube.
same difference
It's on youtube and in the documents signed
They "double speak" in the documents. Things like - "It is totally voluntary, everyone ages 18-25 WILL serve. This is something they are required to do as a citizen, total voluntary, and will make them better citizens". I may be off by one or two words but if you pull up youtube and type in Rahm Emanuel mandatory service there are a few different videos you can watch. It's also in the bills they passed. They are just calling it something different than the military because it's easier to hide it that way. Which by the way, once your child signs the papers and has had their basic training there is nothing that will stop them from being called to go fight in a war - after all "its their patriotic duty", oh and they shouldn't ever complain about it either.

I'll tell you, it's turning into a very scary country and I'm wondering if anyone in WA has a backbone anymore.
I hope you don't expect to find the "truth" on Youtube.
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Don't bother, I hate YouTube, and any idiot can post anything they want there.....sm
and make it as slanted as they want. I will take my news and views from the regular new outlets, watch for myself on C-Span, etc., and even then I sometimes wonder who is pulling the strings. Until we realize and acknowledge what racism truly is (and I am not talking about Johnny Cochran and the "race card" to get OJ off), we will be a doomed race, we either all work together for the nation and PUT DOWN people who have these rad neck, ignorant views and DO NOT TOLERATE IT, or put a nice icing or coating on it....in the words of the great O, and Harry Truman before him, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig, and you can call that editorial "comic" satire or whatever, but it is still racist garbage. IMHO
Want to post Daniel Hannon's YouTube sensation

that has been covered by Glenn Beck, Fox News, and Neil Cavuto. 


We need someone in this country who will stand up before Obama and speak their mind in this rational and thougtful manner as this man did to Gordon Brown.  Some are even saying this man could be the next Prime Minister of Great Britain. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs


pro war protest
This morning on the Bakersfield, CA news (totally conservative town), they are having a protest..*Not in our Name, Cindy Sheehan* and then they are going to Crawford to protest against the antiwar protestors..Well, of course, the local news has had it all morning on their shows.  Anyway, they said they are going to offer to Cindy to join with them to sponsor an Iraqi orphanage to see what she will say.  I almost choked on my soda.  Sure, lets go kill their parents over NOTHING and then we will sponsor an orphanage for the remaining children.  One lady, a marine, was practically crying as she talked about how she believes in this war.  I was watching her in amazement and I realized..they are freaking brainwashed.  They have to tell themselves they believe in this war otherwise they would not be able to live with themselves for what they did.  Same with the parents who have lost children to this immoral war.  They have to say it is right and back the warmonger, otherwise how could they get up day after day after day, knowing they sent their children to die for nothing.  *Hello America, where are you..dont ya know that Im your native son/daughter*
Protest. sm
Perhaps the anti-war movement needs to provide an effective intellectual case against war. Many protesters instead have personalized their opposition to President Bush, making him the focus of their ire. Maybe this feels good, but anti-Bush slogans are counter-productive if the aim is to stop the war. I have seen thousands of pictures of the war protests and in every single one of them, most of the signs vilify President Bush, not the war.  How in the world can they ever be taken seriously?  I am for freedom of speech, but this isn't what is happening. And still, the left has not learned the lessons about how the war protests affected Vietnam.
protest . . . protest . . . protest

as you wish . . . we are entering a new era and there are those of us whose hearts are soaring with joy.  Label it anyway it makes you comfortable, we are joyous.


 


A video FUN political video.
http://view.break.com/592648
protest in bakersfield
One other thing this morning (Im raring to go this morning..smile).  I live close to Bakersfield, CA, and today they are having a memorial for a serviceman who died in Iraq.  There is a church in Topeka, Kansas who is coming to Bakersfield and going to protest the memorial and burial cause they say this war is because America has accepted ****fags**** and until we come back to God's way, American military will die.  I MEAN IS THIS FREAKING READY FOR A 5150 OR WHAT????  This is super crazy.  Oh geez, what the heck is happening to MY America??  Absolute nuts, that is what they are.  Plus, why are they picking on Bakersfield, a central CA rural town? 
Protest Warrior

Just because someone is against the anti-war movement does not make them pro-war.  Just because a group protests the anti-war protestors does not make them pro-war.  BTW, I know of only one person on the conservative board that is a member of Protest Warrior, but I will add that I like what they do.   You do not have corner on the protest market.  You don't have a corner on the free speech market either.  I do believe you all have gained a big corner on the spin market, because you and the liberal press are masterminds of spin.  How's that working for ya?   Let's see. you lost the congressional/senate majority in 1996 and have yet to gain it back.  You lost the Presidential elections in 2000 and 2004.  The spin market doesn't look to profitable to me right now.  


Sigh. They better not protest too much....
or the Obama faithful background check squad will be after them. They better quit putting their garbage out by the street or people will be going through it.

The degree of control these people want to exert BEFORE they have real power is bad enough. THink what it will be like when and IF they do....

Godspeed John McCain to the White House.
and how is it extremist to protest this...
when liberals applaud people protesting the war. They are both protesting government acts, but if the protesters are conservative, then all of the sudden they are threatening? I'm with you, it is absolute silliness. By the way, I know some black people who are going to tea parties. Are they racists, too?
Religious Protest from the Left
A Religious Protest Largely From the Left
Conservative Christians Say Fighting Cuts in Poverty Programs Is Not a Priority

By Jonathan Weisman and Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, December 14, 2005; A08


When hundreds of religious activists try to get arrested today to protest cutting programs for the poor, prominent conservatives such as James Dobson, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell will not be among them.


That is a great relief to Republican leaders, who have dismissed the burgeoning protests as the work of liberals. But it raises the question: Why in recent years have conservative Christians asserted their influence on efforts to relieve Third World debt, AIDS in Africa, strife in Sudan and international sex trafficking -- but remained on the sidelines while liberal Christians protest domestic spending cuts?


Conservative Christian groups such as Focus on the Family say it is a matter of priorities, and their priorities are abortion, same-sex marriage and seating judges who will back their position against those practices.


It's not a question of the poor not being important or that meeting their needs is not important, said Paul Hetrick, a spokesman for Focus on the Family, Dobson's influential, Colorado-based Christian organization. But whether or not a baby is killed in the seventh or eighth month of pregnancy, that is less important than help for the poor? We would respectfully disagree with that.


Jim Wallis, editor of the liberal Christian journal Sojourners and an organizer of today's protest, was not buying it. Such conservative religious leaders have agreed to support cutting food stamps for poor people if Republicans support them on judicial nominees, he said. They are trading the lives of poor people for their agenda. They're being, and this is the worst insult, unbiblical.


At issue is a House-passed budget-cutting measure that would save $50 billion over five years by trimming food stamp rolls, imposing new fees on Medicaid recipients, squeezing student lenders, cutting child-support enforcement funds and paring agriculture programs. House negotiators are trying to reach accord with senators who passed a more modest $35 billion bill that largely spares programs for the poor.


At the same time, House and Senate negotiators are hashing out their differences on a tax-cutting measure that is likely to include an extension of cuts in the tax rate on dividends and capital gains.


To mainline Protestant groups and some evangelical activists, the twin measures are an affront, especially during the Christmas season. Leaders of five denominations -- the United Methodist Church, Episcopal Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Presbyterian Church USA and United Church of Christ -- issued a joint statement last week calling on Congress to go back to the drawing board and come up with a budget that brings good news to the poor.


Around 300 religious activists have vowed to kneel in prayer this morning at the Cannon House Office Building and remain there until they are arrested. Wallis said that as they are led off, they will chant a phrase from Isaiah: Woe to you legislators of infamous laws . . . who refuse justice to the unfortunate, who cheat the poor among my people of their rights, who make widows their prey and rob the orphan.


To GOP leaders and their supporters in the Christian community, it is not that simple. Acting House Majority Leader Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) said yesterday that the activists' position is not intellectually right.


The right tax policy, such as keeping tax rates low on business investment, grows the economy, increases federal revenue -- and increased federal revenue makes it easier for us to pursue policies that we all can agree have social benefit, he said.


Dobson also has praised what he calls pro-family tax cuts. And Janice Crouse, a senior fellow at the Christian group Concerned Women for America, said religious conservatives know that the government is not really capable of love.


You look to the government for justice, and you look to the church and individuals for mercy. I think Hurricane Katrina is a good example of that. FEMA just failed, and the church and the Salvation Army and corporations stepped in and met the need, she said.


Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, said the government's role should be to encourage charitable giving, perhaps through tax cuts.


There is a [biblical] mandate to take care of the poor. There is no dispute of that fact, he said. But it does not say government should do it. That's a shifting of responsibility.


The Family Research Council is involved in efforts to stop the bloodshed in the Darfur region of Sudan as well as sex trafficking and slavery abroad. But Perkins said those issues are far different from the budget cuts now under protest. The difference there is enforcing laws to keep people from being enslaved, to be sold as sex slaves, he said. We're talking here about massive welfare programs.


The Rev. Richard Cizik, a vice president of the National Association of Evangelicals, returned yesterday from the Montreal conference on global climate change, another issue of interest to evangelicals. Frankly, I don't hear a lot of conversation among evangelicals about budget cuts in anti-poverty programs, he said. What I hear our people asking is, why are we spending $231 million on a bridge to nowhere in Alaska and can't find $50 million for African Union forces to stop genocide in Darfur?


© 2005 The Washington Post Company


Holy cow! Even the llamas sat down in protest.

As far as your imagined knowledge of where I get my information, I refer you back to your very own post above: 


You infer that you know how and where I get my information.  If you're so freaking clairvoyant then what are you doing here?  The elitism just oozes from you.


You made a fine point in your other post:  Those in glass houses best not throw stones.


Do you practice what you preach?


I don't know if you took the time to actually read the article I posted.  Nowhere in my post did I negatively pass judgment on you, as you have me.  Everywhere in my post, I discussed how and why I feel the way I do and I stuck to the issues. 


What made me suspicious that the White House was behind the Israeli-Lebanon war was simply the sense of deja vu all over again, as if I were viewing the summer rerun of the Iraqi war because it was all carried out Bush style: 


1.  The use of shock and awe.


2.  The feeling that the Israelis could easily win against Hezbollah when in fact Israeli troops also encountered fierce resistance from Hezbollah guerrillas, who took a page from the Iraqi insurgents by using explosive booby traps and ambushes to inflict heavier than expected casualties on the Israelis. 


3.  Not enough troops deployed.


4.  Reservists complaining of not being supplied with enough body armor.


5.  Other soldiers found equipment to be either inferior or inappropriate for battlefield conditions.


6.  And once again, animals proved they are smarter than humans: One Israeli plan to use llamas to deliver supplies in the rugged terrain of south Lebanon turned into an embarrassment when the animals simply sat down.


The only element that was missing was the mythical claim that they would be greeted as liberators but who knows?  Maybe all those roses just couldn't be delivered because the roads in Lebanon had been destroyed.


I totally agree that there are radical Muslims who want to kill us.  What I totally disagree with is Bush's belief that everything can be solved with bombs.  The United States is quickly becoming the most hated country in the world because of Bush's total lack of diplomacy, and I'm afraid that he is only provoking more terror attacks as a result. 


The world doesn't like to be bullied by a country with a president that clearly wants to dominate the world.  Ask the Soviet Union.  Whoops.  Sorry.  The Soviet Union doesn't exist any more, do they?  At least for the time being.  I personally predict that even though Bush claims to know Putin's heart, we're soon going to discover that you can't take the KGB out of the Russian, and maybe, just maybe they're finding pure greedy capitalism isn't all it's hyped up to be.  I believe Putin is going to prove to be a very dangerous and painful thorn in America's side, only proving once again that Bush's judgment is very poor.


I'd be glad to debate you further, but if you're going to continue to make it personal, pretending to know who I am, what I feel and where I get my news, then I'm not interested in communicating with you any further and once again refer you to your very own quote to another poster:  You infer that you know how and where I get my information.  If you're so freaking clairvoyant then what are you doing here?  The elitism just oozes from you.


he was *detained* during a protest rally...
for the moment - but they have been after Gary for decades - I recently saw him on Bill Maher explaining it all....GREAT GUY by the way, Gary....
Massive abortion protest set for

March 31.


It may seem that those who believe abortion is wrong are in
a minority. It may seem like we have no voice and it's
shameful to even bring it up. Let us show our President and
the world that the voices of those of us who do not believe
abortion is acceptable are not silent and must be heard.


The Red Envelope project. 


On March 31, red envelopes are being mailed to protest Obama's agenda of unfettered worldwide abortions at taxpayer expense.  The envelopes will be empty. 


Get a red envelope. You can buy them at Kinkos, or at party
supply stores. Or you can visit the Red Envelope Project for a source that you can order on line for $10.95 per 100. 


On the front, address it to

President Barack Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington , D.C. 20500

On the back, write the following message.

This envelope represents one child who died in abortion. It is empty because that life was unable to offer anything to the world. Responsibility begins with conception.


The envelopes are to be mailed on March 31, 2009.

Forward this event to every one of your friends who you think would send one, too.  Share this ministry with your church.  Bundle the envelopes in 5s or 10s and ask that the front be personally handwritten to Obama and ask that your church members take 5, 10, or however many they wish and apply the postage to each one so that no one is burdened unduly with the expense of the postage .  To save time, print up labels for the message to be applied to the back of the envelope and place them on the envelopes before handing out.  Be sure to supply with the bundle President Obama's mailing address to personally be handwritten.


All details of this worthy grassroots effort can be found at www.redenvelopeproject.org.  Just click to see how many have signed up!! 


This is an issue that reaches beyong partisan politics.  This is an issue of life.  I don't care whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, whether you voted for or against Obama.  This is an issue of life.  It is no longer about choice.  It is an issue of global wholesale slaughter of innocent life.  It is within my pay grade to protest, and I hope yours, too.


 


 


 


Sorry, but your protest idea, is what's UGLY,
You people are trying to force your beliefs on women you dont even know. You're trying to force them to have children you'll never see, and will never lift finger to help. The pro-choice folks don't tell others they must HAVE abortions, who why do you think it's your place to tell us they CAN'T?

Control, people. It's all about CONTROL. Right now we have control of our own bodies and life destinies, and they're trying to take that right away from us. Once that's gone, what will they take away from us next?
This is about a protest to a proposed change - it happens. - nm

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Massive protest outside of the White House sm

Of course, I am getting it from an international media source.  Anyone seen this on TV?


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20111539-1702,00.html


St. Paul Police Protest the Press

Be careful of your constitutional rights - they are rapidly disappearing.


http://www.truthout.org/article/st-pauls-police-protest-press


There was a big protest in Alaska against Palin. I can get the link.
nm
methinks thou doest protest too much
holy moley
Yes, put your protest call on the Faith Board,
these people will agree with you, they live, like you, in another, imaginary world.
To mt: Really over a million people took place in the protest. s/m
http://www.windsorstar.com/News/Turnout+tepid+modern+parties/1500117/story.html
To mt: Really over a million people took place in the protest? s/m

Check out this Canadian news article on this pitiful event  -- this might answer your question about why no other news stations were giving this much air time -- NOT NEWSWORTHY!!  Not even 10s of thousands, much less a million!!  Where did you get your statistics?  Is that what you heard on TRIX news? 


http://www.windsorstar.com/News/Turnout+tepid+modern+parties/1500117/story.html


Protest Warriors was hacked by radical leftists. SM
The administrator's had nothing to do with it.  In fact, they fight this on a daily basis.  As far as ISP numbers, I don't know of a chat board anywhere where the administrator does not keep track.  And I don't know of one anywhere where the information is shared.
Thousands show up to protest at UN today urging end to war Iraq.
Reuters:  By Gertrude Chavez-Dreyfuss

NEW YORK, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Thousands of protesters including former American soldiers rallied outside U.N. headquarters on Tuesday, urging the U.S. government to end the war in Iraq and bring home the troops.

Nearby, about 200 other protesters demonstrated against the presence of the Iranian president, others called for human rights in Myanmar, and just a handful demonstrated to press claims the United States orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks.

While world leaders gathered at the U.N. General Assembly inside, about 2,000 anti-Iraq war protesters chanted Peace can work, no more war half an hour before U.S. President George W. Bush spoke.

This war has drained the economy and has cost a lot of lives, said Claire Thompson, a nurse and union leader. We're calling on our leaders to end this unsustainable war and just bring the troops back home.

There have been 2,681 U.S. military deaths since the Iraq war began in March 2003, according to Pentagon figures, and 147,000 U.S. troops are serving there. At least tens of thousands of Iraqis also have died in the war.

People in Iraq also want to end the war. We want our country back, said Raed Jarrar, an Iraqi-American who moved to the United States last year.

Iranian-Americans rallied outside the U.N. headquarters, protesting the presence of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the General Assembly.

I am outraged by the presence of Iran at the U.N. general assembly. I think Ahmadinejad's actions and statements are pushing Iran to war, said Shirin Narunan, a leader of the Ad Hoc Committee to Stop Iran's Nuclear Weapons.

Iran, saying its nuclear program is for civilian purposes, has declined to suspend its uranium enrichment program despite U.N. Security Council demands to do so.

Burmese pro-democracy activists demanded the dissolution of the country's pro-junta organization, the Union Solidarity and Development Association, and the release of opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi who has been in prison since 1990.

A group of protesters claimed that the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks on Sept. 11. Les Jamison, an event coordinator of NY 911 Truth, said the 9/11 tragedy was scripted by the U.S. government to regain military might.
video

 

Anyway, I tried again and am working on it.  It is me, gt, who posted this link.  I did not use my initials cause I did not want to distract from what this video states and shows.  I did not want to be linked up and bashed over this video.  I just thought maybe you all would find these videos worthwhile to view.  Anyway, I have an email out to a friend asking why I cant post the link on this site.  Hopefully, she will get back to me soon, however, like I posted in the previous email, you can contact me at my email address Siouxtears@yahoo.com and I will send the link as it works via email.  GT

New video on jib jab
There is a new video poking fun at everyone.....Bush, Cheney, Hillary, Obama.  LOL.  You might check it out for a little chuckle.
Better yet -here's it on video
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5Kjo

I didn't think anything of it at first but after watching the video it's just a little odd.
This video sure does take you behind

the scenes of the candidate that has been romanced by the mainstream media for so long.  Very insightful.  Thanks for posting.


BTW:  Any bashers out there, flame away, but I won't respond.  You guys are despicable lately.  All you want to do is snuff out those not on your bandwagon, and I ain't getting into it with you because I have better things to do with my time.  I was pretty interested in your guy too, at first, but the more I learn about him and his policies, as well as who he is as a person, the more educated of a voter I am to know that he is not the right candidate to lead this country.  Try watching this video - it just might make you think twice.  And, no, I am not into FEAR tactics, just FACTS. 


As an American, I wish all of my fellow American MTs a great day!


 


Here is the video....
watch it and tell me again that the Democrats are not responsible and two of the most responsible are STILL in the banking and finance committees presently working on the bailout that THEY made necessary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o&feature=related
sorry about the video
sorry i know it has an impact.  but i think it needs to be viewed. I was hoping that so many would get on there and watch that.  I was so hoping that it would make someone, at least one person, say wow, i didnt realize and now I am going to have to be against it.  I dont know how anyone can watch that and not change from it.  You have to be so cold inside. 
Does video lie?

There was a video of the reporter asking the people and that was the answers they gave. I can't remember the station, but I don't think it was Fox.


The video I saw

pretty clearly showed MO initiating the contact, and QE slightly shying back, before stopping. 


There is an endearing story told about Queen Elizabeth.  A dinner guest unfamiliar with the custom mistook his finger bowl for soup, picked up a spoon and started to eat it.  QE, also picked up her spoon and began to eat hers. 


Moral:  It wasn't really soup.  The guy was still an oaf.  The queen was simply being gracious.


He did not. I saw him on video saying
NM
He did not. I saw him on video saying

or don't if you want to keep spreading lies. Now he's trying to blame his own words on saying he was using liberal lingo.


Thanks gt! Good video.
Thanks for posting that - I hadn't seen it before. Will be interesting to see what happens today the pro-war people arrive! (Know any links for a live feed?).
Okay, now I watched the video
and all I can say is I don't know what that guy was on, and I don't even know his show, but I don't think he's going to replace Bill O'Reilly in the top spot anytime soon.  Maybe Jon Stewart, but not Bill...uh uh...  He is funny.  I'll give him that!     
I can't get the video to work...sm
But I read an interview on the web where he talks about the clash of civilizations. Will read more on what he has to say. I will agree this has gotten far bigger than politics - far.

For the record, I don't hate Bush I just don't think he is the best choice for president.