No, most of the Republicans voted against it...

• Can I get a witness, i mean website - still undecided
  • I don't think they have posted the new one.... - sam
    • I can't find it either....this morning....sm - ms
      • Well, I heard one of the congresspeople saying... - sam
        • And that is what infuriates me!!! - Chele
          • Yep. Get rid of ALL of them.... - sam
            • wasn't it the republicans that held out for more stuff? nm - Amanda
              • No, most of the Republicans voted against it... - sam
        • I heard that line too and it makes - still undecided

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No one in Washington is standing up for us.  You are being pitted against each other by CNN and Fox.  There is no difference between the two candidates at all. They are both wimps.

on whether or not we went to war in Iraq and I do believe that many Dems were on board at that time as well as many Americans.  It only became a problem with some when they realized how much money it was costing. 

Personally, I feel we should leave the middle east alone and let them kill each other.  However, when they strike on US turf.....they best get ready for a strike back. 

As for the stuff that Obama has been handed.....I know his job can't be easy and I wouldn't take it no matter how much money I was offered......but I still cannot condone what he is doing.  Taking the rights away from Catholic hospitals and making them perform abortions or lose their funding.  The continued bailing out of banks with big bonuses being slipped in there.  So many people in our government who have been appointed to positions and getting caught for not paying taxes but getting a get out of jail free card. 

Obama not crooked?  I'm sorry but look at the state he comes from.  Illinois is full of crooked politicians.  His associations alone make me question his morality.  His attendance to a church of hate was overlooked as nothing.  There are just so many things stacked against this man and yet so many people refuse to see it or just let it slide like it is nothing. 

Obama has had enough free passes.  This is my country and I have a right to question my government.  To me this is not the time to be going to other countries and telling them how arrogant the US is and how everything is our fault.  Just like every time Obama opens his mouth about his spending....he continually brings up Bush's spending instead of admitting his own excessive spending.

I'm tired of the government giving CEOs crap for having private jets when government officials waste more taxpayer money on planes, etc.  It is just ridiculous.  It is like the whole lot of them preaching "do as I say and not as I do."  Absolutely ridiculous. 

I just hope that come election time, we get some of these people out of office.....Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, Reid........

http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm

state by state, counties too..........

on Tuesday. As soon as I put the card in the electronic machine it said invalid card even though I watched the woman run it through her little machine to clear it and saw it say clear twice. It took 3 people about 5 minutes to figure out how to get the card out of the machine. Then I got a new one. Everything went along fine until one choice. There were 4 people on the ballot; it would let me vote for 3 of them but not the 4th which was the one I wanted to vote for. I told them about this but nothing will happen. I think we should either have a paper trail or write them out long hand. Even if these machines were not suspect to begin with as far as tampering goes, just plain not working makes a huge difference in the vote.

I know that Bush did not win Florida in 2004. Thousands of African Americans did not stand in lines for hours to vote for Bush. You can take that to the bank and bet the farm on it too. My personal favorite though is a county that counted something like 10,000 votes for Bush and there are only 5,000 registered voters in the entire county !!! Go figure.

I've answered several of your questions.  Now try 2 of mine.  Did every single pub vote to pass it and did no pub receive any type of benefit from this situation? 

no on that one, but Bush couldn't have passed that without the support of many others.  Quite a few politicians voted yes for that one.  So you can't really just blame ole bushy for that either. 

Besides, the surge has won and Obama has yet to really admit that and he owes it to our troops who have fought and the ones who have lost their lives to admit that their efforts have been successful. 

My question is this though....there is a whole lotta crap going on over in Afghanastan (sp?).  We have troops over there now.  Even if we pull out of Iraq and let the Iraqi law enforcement take charge.....what happens in Afghanastan?  Do we pull out of there too?  What does Obama suggest we do?  Does any one know his view points on this because this is something I've never really researched.

1.  I believe in a woman's right to choose.  I have read the FOCA bill and have based my decision on my interpretation of that bill in accordance with my own opinion.

2.  I believe the war in Iraq is a disaster.  I don't think it does credit to our troops to send them into harm's way for an unjust war.  Obama will end that war and get our military home.  The money we spend in Iraq is also included in that.

3.  I agree with Obama's tax plan.  I have sat down and compared the two, and in my situation, I get a better deal with Obama's plan.  I see no difference in McCain's plan and what is going on right now with Bush.

4.  McCain has shown is lack of leadershiip in the fact that he cannot manage his own campaign.  He ran all around like a chicken with his head cut off when the economic crisis hit.  Said he suspended his campaign and didn't. Obama submitted a plan and went with hit, showing leadership qualities.

5. Negative campaining:  This is something McCain and his wife publicly said he would not do, and yet he seems to be okay with it now.

The list is much longer, but these are a few.

I'm planning on hitting the polls a little later this morning.  Not too concerned about lines as our polling place is in a small town.

Gee Sam...wonder who you voted for.  LOL!  Go McCain/Palin!!! 

I said, I never cared for the Bush administration, but give Bush a break.  Enough is enough.

The Senate voted 94-2, with Republican Senators David Vitter of Louisiana and Jim DeMint of South Carolina opposing.

Earlier Wednesday, Sen. John McCain implored his Republican colleagues to drop partisan demands and let the popular president get to work.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28750248

Thank you McCain!

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00061

However, this is not the time to be playing games with us.  A lot more people are watching what government is doing because of what happened last term.  Obama really smooth talked a lot of people.  I think a lot of people are starting to worry like some of the rest of us about his real intentions.  Too bad we couldn't get the rest of the kool-aid drinkers to get a clue.

I say that next election we vote someone in who is neither a pub or a dem.  Shake up the parties a bit and let them know that we are fed up with both parties!!!!!

joke of a bailout too. The dems had the majority then.....they could have stopped it.

I think the pubs know they have lost a lot of respect in the eyes of their constituents but I am encouraged by them not voting for this spending package that won't work.  I guess we just have to wait and see how it plays out.

Maybe if you would take the time to educate yourself rather than just read crap on blogs, you might not worry so much.  The bill is creating the Congressional Commission on Civic Service, which may be referred to as the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (GIVE).

In section 6104 it states

(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

They're simply exploring whether a national service requirement is even feasible.  They're not implementing anything yet.  Why people get worked up without even  knowing what they're getting worked up about is beyond me.  Which is why I usually stay off the political board.

I'm going back to work now.

Hint:  She's from California, remember **Prop 8**? Jeesh!

Maybe the voting machines are too complicated for her.

Stephen Crockett posted this twice (at least) on the Conservative Board, in response to an old quote of his being used out of context and distorted by the usual suspects there.  Each time he posted it, it was deleted from the board.  It's certainly easy to understand why they don't want anyone to see this. 

Please read quickly.  They think they should control our board, as well as their own, so it probably won't last very long here, either.

African-American Voters Scrubbed by Secret GOP Hit List

Published by Greg Palast June 16th, 2006 in Articles
Massacre of the Buffalo Soldiers
by Greg Palast
As reported for Democracy Now!

Palast, who first reported this story for BBC Television Newsnight (UK) and
Democracy Now! (USA), is author of the New York Times bestseller, Armed
Madhouse.

The Republican National Committee has a special offer for African-American soldiers: Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.

A confidential campaign directed by GOP party chiefs in October 2004 sought to challenge the ballots of tens of thousands of voters in the last presidential election, virtually all of them cast by residents of Black-majority
precincts.  Files from the secret vote-blocking campaign were obtained by BBC Television Newsnight, London. They were attached to emails accidentally sent by
Republican operatives to a non-party website.

One group of voters wrongly identified by the Republicans as registering to vote from false addresses: servicemen and women sent overseas.

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For Greg Palast’’s discussion with broadcaster Amy Goodman on the Black soldier purge of 2004, go to
http://gregpalast.com/armedmadhouse/palastDN6-14-06.mp3

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Here’’s how the scheme worked: The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, Do not forward, to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses. The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as undeliverable.

The lists of soldiers of undeliverable letters were transmitted from state headquarters, in this case Florida, to the RNC in Washington. The party could then challenge the voters’’ registration and thereby prevent their absentee ballots being counted.

One target list was comprised exclusively of voters registered at the Jacksonville, Florida, Naval Air Station. Jacksonville is third largest naval installation in the US, best known as home of the Blue Angels fighting squandron.

[See this scrub sheet at http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=160156893&context=set-72157594155273706&size=o

Our team contacted the homes of several on the caging list, such as Randall Prausa, a serviceman, whose wife said he had been ordered overseas.

A soldier returning home in time to vote in November 2004 could also be challenged on the basis of the returned envelope. Soldiers challenged would be
required to vote by provisional ballot.

Over one million provisional ballots cast in the 2004 race were never counted; over half a million absentee ballots were also rejected. The extraordinary rise in the number of rejected ballots was the result of the widespread
multi-state voter challenge campaign by the Republican Party. The operation, of which the purge of Black soldiers was a small part, was the first mass challenge to voting America had seen in two decades.

The BBC obtained several dozen confidential emails sent by the Republican’’s national Research Director and Deputy Communications chief, Tim Griffin to GOP
Florida campaign chairman Brett Doster and other party leaders. Attached were spreadsheets marked, Caging.xls. Each of these contained several hundred
to a few thousand voters and their addresses.

A check of the demographics of the addresses on the caging lists, as the GOP leaders called them indicated that most were in African-American majority zip codes.

Ion Sanco, the non-partisan elections supervisor of Leon County (Tallahassee) when shown the lists by this reporter said: The only thing I can think of - African American voters listed like this - these might be individuals that
will be challenged if they attempted to vote on Election Day.

These GOP caging lists were obtained by the same BBC team that first exposed the wrongful purge of African-American felon voters in 2000 by then-Secretary of State Katherine Harris. Eliminating the voting rights of those voters —— 94,000 were targeted —— likely caused Al Gore’’s defeat in that race.

The Republican National Committee in Washington refused our several requests to respond to the BBC discovery. However, in Tallahassee, the Florida Bush
campaign’’s spokespeople offered several explanations for the list.

Joseph Agostini, speaking for the GOP, suggested the lists were of potential donors to the Bush campaign. Oddly, the supposed donor list included residents of the Sulzbacher Center a shelter for homeless families.

Another spokesperson for the Bush campaign, Mindy Tucker Fletcher, ultimately changed the official response, acknowledging that these were voters, we mailed to, where the letter came back - bad addresses.

The party has refused to say why it would mark soldiers as having bad addresses subject to challenge when they had been assigned abroad.

The apparent challenge campaign was not inexpensive. The GOP mailed the letters first class, at a total cost likely exceeding millions of dollars, so that the addresses would be returned to cage workers.

This is not a challenge list, insisted the Republican spokesmistress. However, she modified that assertion by adding, That’’s not what it’’s set up to be.

Setting up such a challenge list would be a crime under federal law. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlaws mass challenges of voters where race is a factor in choosing the targeted group.

While the party insisted the lists were not created for the purpose to challenge Black voters, the GOP ultimately offered no other explanation for the mailings. However, Tucker Fletcher asserted Republicans could still employ the list to deny ballots to those they considered suspect voters. When asked if Republicans would use the list to block voters, Tucker Fletcher replied, Where it’’s stated in the law, yeah.

It is not possible at this time to determine how many on the potential blacklist were ultimately challenged and lost their vote. Soldiers sending in their ballot from abroad would not know their vote was lost because of a
challenge.

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For the full story of caging lists and voter purges of 2004, plus the documents, read Greg Palast’’s New York Times bestseller, ARMED MADHOUSE: Who’’s Afraid of Osama Wolf?, Armed Madhouse: Who’’s Afraid of Osama Wolf?, China Floats Bush Sinks, the Scheme to Steal ‘‘08, No Child’’s Behind Left and other
Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Class War.

http://www.gregpalast.com/massacre-of-the-buffalo-soldiers