Not the poster who identified as Republican, but
Posted By: Suzie on 2005-09-27
In Reply to: Thanks for posting and for being so respectful. - Libby
since he/she has not yet been back to answer, I would like to put my 2 cents in.
Border issues: I can find nothing here to disagree with you about. 9/11 was a huge wake-up call regarding the insecurity of this country, and it is just beyond me why addressing our completely porous borders has not been placed much higher on the priority list. Actually, that's not completely true, I do understand why, and I find it very disappointing. Both parties are so busy courting the Hispanic vote that they would rather endanger this nation's security than risk the loss of those votes.
As far as the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, I'm not certain that's been demonstrated, but assuming it is true, I think we probably differ greatly in our assessments of causes for that poverty and ways to fix it. The ideal should never be to bring the rich down to the level of the poor but to elevate the poor towards the level of the rich. Typical government-run programs aimed at assisting the poor unfortunately seem to have the opposite effect. The rich are taxed (and unfortunately, many small business owners fall into that rich category), the poor are given only a portion of that money thanks to ever-increasing administration costs as bureaucracy continues to add to its own layers, and the incentive to be self-reliant is diminished among those who are capable of work (I'm not talking about your sick Grandma, here - I have no problem helping support the truly disabled of the world, though I think the federal government has proven itself inept enough with handling money prudently to disqualify itself as an arbiter of financial aid).
The net effect of all this, IMHO, is limitation on business growth, particularly among smaller businesses less able to absorb taxation costs, and loss of business overseas among large corporations capable of relocating to any area with a more hospitable business climate (another area of personal disagreement with Bush here is NAFTA/CAFTA. When Ross was talking about that giant sucking sound, he was truly prescient). What this means to us is loss of jobs, which means loss of avenues for self-reliance. It also contributes to a culture of dependence; the development of a class of people raised in homes where no one worked, raised without such basic skills as reporting to a required workplace on time from day to day, knowing how to dress for an interview or job, knowing how to speak and present one's self in a business-appropriate manner, or even fully understanding that the expectation of society is that one will work in order to obtain food and housing for one's family.
On to energy - it's well and good to be upset that the price of oil continues to skyrocket while families are having difficulty paying for heat. I live in a huge old (120+ years) barn of a house, and I am actually pretty anxious about how I'm going to heat it this winter, so this is a topic close to home. I firmly believe that we in the US are going to have very little input in controlling oil prices so long as the vast majority of our supply comes from the Middle East. That is why I personally feel that it is urgent that we explore realistic and cost-effective methods for producing our own energy domestically, including drilling at ANWR and also including the use of nuclear power. Wind, solar, and water power are well and good for those areas with year-round abundance and the ability to produce large enough quantities to be cost-effective (those areas are pretty limited, as far as I know), but the need is now, and it should be addressed now with the technology available now to get us out of the back pockets of OPEC.
Iraq - I'm not sure where you are getting your information, but we have far from destroyed their entire country. May I suggest the following site for some additional news regarding conditions in Iraq: http://goodnewsfromthefront.com/archives/iraq/index.php
Of course, I cannot personally confirm every report on that site, any more than I can confirm anything from the MSM (for whom anyone who ever looks at the Conservative Board knows I have the deepest contempt), but I hope you will review it and do some research of your own to try to determine the truth of what is happening there. I've already addressed elsewhere tonight (on the conservative board) why I don't think Iraq was a waste of money, so I hope you'll understand if I don't repeat all that here. I will just say that I firmly believe that Islamic radicals constitute at least as great and possibly far greater danger to this country and its citizens than any hurricane, no matter how strong, and I think pulling out of Iraq at this point would be the height of folly. I agree with you that America must take priority, and I believe a premature pull-out in Iraq will increase the chaos there and the danger to us as a nation.
As far as financing the war - here are some random thoughts sure to inflame any truly liberal thinker, so I apologize in advance if I increase anybody's BP here. How about reducing the scope of federal government to its constitutional duties, as mandated in the Constitution? Think of the money that would save. While I'm not sure it's possible to return to the loosely affiliated republic envisioned by our forefathers, I do believe that much of the federal government's current activities are usurpations of state and local authority. I would include welfare, Social Security, and Medicare/Medicaid in this category. It seems likely to me that turning over social responsibilities to local governments would increase accountability at the local level with cost savings and improved efficiency as a result. I would also consider doing away with federal subsidies to most businesses, including farms.
I've been wanting to say something for a while about a term I see bandied about here quite a lot - Neocon. I am not a neocon. A neoconservative, or new conservative, as I understand it is one who is conservative in matters of foreign affairs but tends to be socially liberal (prochoice, okay with deficit spending, not averse to increasing spending to provide for social programs). Bush is much more neoconservative than I am. As a more traditional conservative who tends to be distrustful of big government, I would like to see a 2008 Republican candidate who is a bit more traditionally right-wing (including having firm plans for decreasing the size of federal government) than GWB.
Thank you for this interesting and civil conversation. You've made some very interesting points that have forced me to do some self-examination about my opinions and why I hold them.
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Stop hassling the only republican poster I see on this board...sm
at the moment.
Your comments are the ones that are racist here, and meant to incite.
Respect her views and her posts, please.
Geez louise.
Can't you just be nice for once?
He stated they have already identified....
numerous projects and programs that are outdated or do not work, which he will be eliminating, that will save us 2 trillion dollars........I believe he will cut our deficit. That savings right there more than pays for the current stimulus bill. 
He has precisely identified the viable talking points.
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The Anti-Republican Republican Who is Really a Republican
The whole anti-Republican Republican ruse might have succeeded, were it not for the fact that McCain's rhetoric was at odds not merely with his own voting record - 90 percent with Bush - and his own Bush-on-steroids agenda.
Even as he was pledging to "change the way government does almost everything," the senator from Arizona announced his commitment to much, much more of the same.
He pledged to maintain endless occupations of distant lands that empty the U.S. Treasury of precious resources that might pay for infrastructue renewal, housing and job creations initiatives for hurting Americans.
He outlined trade and tax policies that would extend, rather than alter a failed economic status quo.
He reintroduced flawed proposals for health care, education and entitlement reforms that Americans have wisely rejected.
And he threatened to achieve "energy independence" by declaring:
"We will drill..."
"We'll drill..."
"More drilling..."
McCain's rhetoric was that of a liberated man declaring his independence from his party's failed president and corrupt Congresses.
But his platform was that of Republican candidate who, for all of his talk of reform, offers the crudest continuity to a country that is crying out for change.
http://www.truthout.org/article/the-anti-republican-republican-who-is-really-a-republican
It was another poster on a different day.
I don't know who it was, but those *in the know* have pegged him/her as an alcoholic.
Whoever it was, the person was definitely radical, no doubt about that. If you respond with your email address, I will email you and tell you what it was, as well as the alleged *profanity* that Stephen used. Then you can judge for yourself whether it was legitimate or blown out of proportion. 
m-e-o-w did that poster
beat you in a BE-AU-TY contest or something? here kitty, kitty.
I think maybe what poster is trying to say
is that if same sex partners were meant to be in the first place, the body parts would be made to fit as well. Well, they're not, plain and simple. Man and woman were intentionally designed for the body parts to fit for a reason. Man and man and woman and woman were not and no matter how you try to twist that one, they're just not.
This may or may not be what the above poster
was referring to. Not sure because this article refers to Palin being there and not McCain, but maybe the poster meant McCain as a whole and not the ind. Anway here is the link.
www.newsminer.com/news/2008/sep/09/palin-headlining-fundraiser-california-billionaire/
No, just a poster.
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Poster is right about something
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Very well said by a poster on another
Something is not right about this election.
First, Obama does not defeat Clinton, but is nominated anyway.
Second, ACORN is openly engaged in massive voter registration fraud, and the authorities are doing nothing to stop it.
Third, Obama is awash with millions donated from abroad.
Fourth, the global banking system suddenly collapses, oh, just a month before the election.
Fifth, the Republicans are holding back?!
I think the entire sham is being orchestrated. Are there supranational forces behind the scenes, coordinating the seizure of U.S. banks while propping up a candidate with zero substance? What’s this “change” we keep hearing so much about?
Like another poster said, if this were the other
the liberal news would be all over this and you know it.
like a poster below said
Your last paragraph says volumes. you are willing to give up your freedoms for better economic conditions? When will that stripping away of freedoms end? just remember, you are opening the door to it. Get a handle on it. The economy should not be your only concern. Your freedom should.
And every small business owner I know is worried that they will be forced out.
Sorry, different poster, be that as it may....
Gosh darn, I must have been put in my place by you, huh. I am so enlightened now.
I'm probably not even up to or worthy for additional comment, I feel so gosh darn squashed.
See you on Tuesday. Betcha there's more of us than you.
So you think YOU should be the only poster
racist one at that you have!
YOU ARE SO RIGHT! Above poster is why
this country is going to he!! in a handbasket....too busy yawning and not giving a d**mn about anything but their precious O......
they obviously DO need someone to think for them and O is just their man.
There was a poster on here during
the primaries who waxed about how wonderful with Obama as president it would be to walk out to the mailbox and get another stimulus check like the $600.00 one received previously under the Bush administration, although the poster just knew it was going to be much more than $600.00. Life was exciting just to look forward to another check in the mailbox. Sort of like the woman who said, "Obama gonna pay my mortgage and put gas in my car" entitlement attitude.
I guess that old adage is still true: There's a sucker born every minute.
The only thing Americans are going to get from this porkulus package is higher taxes, more lost jobs, and a day of reckoning, the day Obama gets on TV and finally announces what every clear-thinking American already knows, we are bankrupt, and our biggest debt holder, China, is calling in the debt and taking us over. Well, somebody's got to pay the debt to the biggest debt holder. Considering China's treatment of its own people, just how do you think Americans will be treated?
I can just hear the weeping and gnashing of teeth from the Obamatons when they finally have to say, "He lied to me."  Instead of MT jobs going to India, they will all be in China. Better visit Rosetta Stone, the fastest way to learn Chinese.
Obama is nothing more than a merchant of false hope. At least 49% of our population had the good sense to recognize it.
After Obama throws at least another trillion dollars we don't have at the economic problems, puts some people to work building new roads, institutes another dozen or so failed plans by the top economists of our day, it will become apparent that he has no real answers to our economic problems. Of course, that is because it is not really an economic problem but a spiritual one.
Can anyone doubt God's judgement is upon us?
The other poster did not say anything.......... sm
about Christians hating Muslims. She just said that Islam is being taught in Muslim schools in the US and that those teachings are to hate and annihilate the Christians (infidels). Incidentally, Christians are not the only infidels; anyone who does not profess the Islamic faith is an infidel. Unless you are Muslim yourself, that includes you. I think the other poster is well within her rights to be concerned about a religion whose sole goal in life is to take out as many infidels as possible so that they are assured of their 7 virgins.
Were you educated in a Christian school? I personally don't know of any of the mainstream Christian denominations that teach to hate and condemn specific groups of people. FWIW, I don't hate Muslims. They are, after all, fellow human beings, but I do hate what their religion teaches them to do.
If a certain poster is a liar...
(or if anyone is, from the president right on down)...and of course this is fully documented and there is no question about it...and then they ask us to believe a claim of high personal integrity...well, er, that's asking a little too much. One has to wonder, do they believe their own delusions? Do they really think the house of cards is never going to crash down? Or do they just want us to think it?
Personally I prefer a far less complicated arrangement. You intentionally lie, you are bad and no one should respect you anymore until you learn how to tell the truth.
I don't believe that any poster on this or the other board
wished any poster to die and burn in hell. I remember someone so frustrated with Bush that she once said that Bush will burn in hell. She was frustrated, just like Pat Robertson, who your gang chalks up to freedom of speech.
The comment wasn't aimed at one of you, but yet you have to twist it and turn it into a total LIE before it's fit for you to write.
I, for one, wish you WOULD go back to your board where hatefulness and lies are a way of life.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I've caught you in enough lies that i will NEVER believe anything you say.
P.S. I thought you said you were going to Iraq. YEAH... RIGHT... Add THAT to your never-ending list of lies, as well. You don't have the guts to do it any more than you have the guts to tell the truth about anything.
You're putrid. Just go away.
This poster is not slamming. nm
To quote the poster above....
I have a right to be here and you have no right to tell me where I ought to be.
I understand that you have a hardened heart and nothing I can say or do will change that. Anyone who thinks abortion is a valid method of birth control and is okay with that has a hardened heart. But, your right as an American to hold any opinion you want to hold.
But it is my right as an American, and my moral right as a human being to state my opinion. And my opinion is that a developing child has as much right to life as YOU do. And I will continue the struggle. If that offends you...I'm sorry.
Poster is a jerk to say the least. What a
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The 50s-60s poster was talking about
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Of course not. It's the poster's sarcasm
BDays is on the messenger, not the source of those hideous remarks. She just used sarcasm to express the same slimed feeling we get when we hear this kind of rhetoric coming from the right-wingers.
Poster is not wrong
I remember a year or so ago when this issue was raised, a journalist was interviewing a doctor who performs these abortions and it was not for the reasons you mentioned; it was simply because the mother requested it, did not want the child, and decided to have an abortion. He performed them. He made no apologies for these murders and as one would expect, he had convinced himself it was not murder.
Hey, i think you have me confused with that other poster!
I was being sarcastic about conforming. I see what Bush has gotten us. I'm on your side!
This is like the statement that one poster said- nm
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No? Poster should just compromise her
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Funny...........not ONE poster....
Not one Obama poster has had the guts to admit Obama is involved with ACORN, even though he admits to giving them money AND not one Obama supporter has admitted he admitted to hiding money contributions, over 800 thousand dollars, to ACORN to hire more people to participate in voter fraud. Tells you some people will accept anything and for all the wrong reasons........
For the poster who asked for me to
was a Moslem.........
The rag was himself while on "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos. Obama was talking about his religion and said, " My Muslim faith" and then said when questioned that he "made a mistake".
Is that enough citing for you or do you not believe what he said either?
You blind O lovers need to open your eyes folks!
Blindness will get you nowhere when he has sold your country down the river to the terrorists.
Well, to be honest poster really has no
Always wants facts but when you give them, all you get is a bunch of junk back!
Argument would be if they had something substantial to say in the first place.
Poster is correct
If someone gets on this board and says anything about Obama you don't like, O lovers go ballistic. They want facts, they get facts, and then instead of admitting they weren't aware, they just attack because that's all they got.
I'm not even republican and I can see how close-minded you are. You believe anything said about Obama is a lie, even if the facts are out there. You immediately call the poster a liar without even looking at the source posted, etc.
Please do not try to sound so open minded.....you are not!
Don't worry about the poster below
You stick to your gut instincts. You are right on so many levels. Most of what you say is true and we should all try to buy what is made in this country and discount any companies that have moved our jobs overseas or over the border.
Obama has some wonderful "butterflies and gumdrop" view of thinking he can be everybody's buddy, including Pakistan, which you notice he pronounces much differently than most and that says a lot to me, as well as Venezuela, Brazil, Russian, Cuba; the list goes on and on. Heaven only knows what deals with the devil he will make to get them to like "him" and I can guarantee you he will make this all about him.
The very idea that he tries to portray to the people in this country that 200-250K somehow makes you rich is a very deviant, sneaky, way of trying to mould a picture to the middle class of those "mean old rich folks" who have more than you like that is a terrible thing. How dare someone have something more than you! Isnt' that terrible? Don't you think we should take their money and partake? That way, none of you will have to work hard to achieve anything. Well, we have too many of those in this country that already sit on their duffs and do nothing but wait for the next check. We don't need to further the welfare state we are already in.
Your beliefs are dead on, so you just stick with them.
yea, I'm sure the poster that responded to me . . .
tattled on me, so that explains that :>(
It's obvious why this poster seems to think
government interference in our lives is okay. If she THINKS she falls below the Obama mandate (socialism), she feels secure in thinking it won't be her skin, so she doesn't care. Like so many. They are so sucked in to believing that all these social programs are someone gonna be FREE FOR ALL that she won't be paying any more taxes. Oh, how the ignorant will fall. Shows the true colors of her loyalty or lack thereof for her country. Too bad she isn't grateful she lives in a free society where she is at least free to keep more of her money than in other country and be free to sit her and yammer on ignorantly.
to the poster below about being dense....
My point is proven by your post. You stated that when Obama gets into office, for me to look around and see how many names I can pronounce.. If you are so worried about people of another race running our country...... well you are too late. Did you check out the guy that is in charge of the bailout money? He is from Stow Ohio. He is Muslim. Believe it or not there are other Muslims that are already working in our government. So, maybe you should immediately call for the impeachment of Pres. Bush. After all, this is his administration. Also, Palin is associated with some extremists up there in Alaska. The Alaska Independence Group. She supports them, she has hired people into her adminstration from their group, she has funded them. They are anti-government. They want to separate from the rest of the United States. They don't like the United States. Read up on it, since your so into research. They are very questionable. Some of their beliefs may even be considered borderline possible domestic terrorism. Also, she wants to stretch, by her own standards not the constitution, the powers and roll of the vice president. Thats a little scary, putting someone in there who thinks she can do what she wants in her job instead of being confined by the boundaries of the CONSTITUTION. But you dont seem to have any problems with that. Is it maybe because the color of her skin?
And every poster on this board has the right (sm)
to respond. My personal response is *get over it.* I wonder, after the SC either thows this thing out or determines that Obama is legitimate, what are you going to talk about? Or will the SC be in on this fairytale scam of the century that you guys like to call reality? My guess is there's a reason why most of the posters raising a bunch of crap about the b/c don't use monikers. LOL. I guess I wouldn't want to be identified after that either.
About as much as it bothers you that poster boy
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not previous poster but
I actually know several people of mixed race (black/white), who are openly racist against whites. Not saying that Obama is or isn't, but it can happen.
any answers from poster ? what does this mean?
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I am not the same poster to whom you refer.
If you smell anything, it would be "hypocrisy" not "hypocracy." Misspelled words are underlined in red for a reason!
By the way, the hateful, bitter, low-class spew on this board has been provided courtesy of the red-neck, Bible-thumping, bigoted, right-wing posters. They are the ones who have shown their true colors.
I think what the poster means (sm)
and I'm just taking a guess here, but trickle up poverty would be taking the money from the rich and giving it to the poor and this would make us all equally poor. Of course there would be exceptions, such as those in government who can keep voting themselves raises, etc. While I agree that the CEOs of most companies take way too much and could stand a little downsizing, the fact is that these are the same companies that provide jobs for the rest of us.
Let's take a large MTSO for example. If they have to start paying more in taxes (let's say what would equate to 3 cpl), where do you think they're going to make up the extra money? They're either going to cut jobs, cut cpl for their MTs, or ship more jobs over to India. Even if you're getting your "redistribution check" from the government, if you don't have a job or have a job that pays you 4 cpl, you're still going to be poor.
IMHO, the answer is to try to keep more jobs in the US instead of Mexico, China, etc, so more people can actually work. NAFTA needs some serious reworking so that it's actually profitable to keep jobs here rather than ship them overseas - that way, no one would have to be dependent on the government and trickle down or trickle up wouldn't even be an issue because we'd all be employed and making our own way.
I'm not the previous poster but....(sm)
I personally know about a dozen people, friends and relatives, who fit her post.
I know more about Obama than any of them, but they don't give a darn who the real man is behind the facade that he chooses to show the world.
Not to mention the documentary made during the election made that shows Obama voters, who knew/know next to nothing about the man they had just voted for...and didn't care, even when things were pointed out to them.
Some people are so uninformed who voted for Obama. My mother, my sister-in-law included, just to name a few. They only voted the democrat party like they always did...could care less who the real Obama is.....
I think this is what the poster is referring too...
This is from Robert Reich, economic advisor to Obama, giving his opinion on the stimulus package and the creation of new jobs....
I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers. … I have nothing against white male construction workers. I’m just saying that there are a lot of other people who have needs as well. … Criteria can be set so that the money does go to others, the long term unemployed minorities, women, people who are not necessarily construction workers or high-skilled professionals
The poster said "could"...not that
he is the worst president. And as for the the things that have been going on so far, I have to admit that I don't see change. I see the same old crap as before with government spending money we don't have. I'm sorry but the appointment of Geithner and them wanting Daschle, etc.......this just doesn't bode well for Obama, IMO. To me...this doesn't represent hope for our future. I think if this stimulus package does pass, it will be an ugly stain on Obama's presidency and I hope and pray that it doesn't pass. If things continue going like they are with more government spending wanted and more appointments of liars and crooks like this.......I really don't see Obama being elected for a second term. Things are going to have to drastically change. This economic crisis isn't going to be a quick fix but I really don't see anything Obama is doing that will even help long term wise. I'll admit that Obama has a very tough job and I wouldn't want that responsibility for any dollar amount of money, but I just think he has bitten off more than he can chew.
I certainly don't want him to be the worst president in history because we cannot afford that right now. I know he can't make things better instantly, but it would be nice to see him not appointing lobbyists like he said he wouldn't. It would be nice if he didn't appoint people who haven't paid their taxes and then letting them pay taxes without paying any penalties. I mean....come on. Geithner is the head of the IRS and the guy didn't pay his own taxes?
I just keep thinking.......Chele....it has only been a couple of weeks.....give him a chance......yet every time I turn on the news I hear about these idiotic decisions being made and I just can't help but cringe. God help us all.
To poster below -- still think I'm batting zero?
No, poster is not the minority..........more and more seeing
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No just the poster you answered.
I'm beginning to feel the same way. He's pouring good money after bad. He should get wise and stop it RIGHT NOW.
After giving AIG more money yesterday, I feel all O knows is how to spend and that seems to be his cure-all for what ails the country. You would think he would get the hint by now with the market tanking and everyone losing their pensions and 401Ks.
Whoever took the above poster's lollipop...(sm)
please give it back. I fear she's going to start flinging herself on the floor in a tantrum next.
They have medication for that, you know.
I believe you must have the wrong poster...this is the
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