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Oh pulleeezzzzzz piglet....do you hear yourself??

Posted By: Observer on 2007-10-23
In Reply to: PLEASE! - piglet

I don't CARE if the liberal posters cross over. I have said that ad nauseam. You cannot help yourself. You have to twist and put yourself back on that lofty perch. I said nothing about them being ashamed of themselves. I have absolutely no issue with cross posting.

JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD...okay....protesting in the streets with antiwar signs...screaming at people who pass...having die-ins...when I protested that saying that sometimes just because you can do something doesn't mean you should...I was attacked. Now you are attacking me for the same thing.

It is so transparent it borders on the ridiculous. Bottom line...you do not want dissent. Period. Just like I would counter a sign carrier I did not agree with in person, or if I chose to carry a sign to protest something I did not agree with...I will do the same thing here.

And here I thought that is what liberals represented...and would argue emphatically for someone's right to stage a die-in with a dead soldier's name pinned to their chest...but let one lone conservative come to an anonymous board and it is get out, we don't want to hear it, exercise your rights if you want but NOT HERE.

Antiliberal and unAmerican.


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    Thanks for this Piglet! Here's one that sm

    I read last night regarding voters and pocketbook issues. In this survey 2/3 polled want universal health care.  Those graphs are great!  The health insurance companies are largely the culprit. The Teflon Don would be less greedy than BCBS, Aetna, etc.!!!



    Poll: Pocketbook Issues Rising



    WASHINGTON (AP) — Kitchen table worries pushed ahead of the war in Iraq over the past month, a shift toward pocketbook issues that has gained currency as the election year dawns.


    More than half the voters in an ongoing survey for The Associated Press and Yahoo News say the economy and health care are extremely important to them personally. They fear they will face unexpected medical expenses, their homes will lose value or mortgage and credit card payments will overwhelm them.


    Events, however, can quickly change public opinion. Thursday's assassination of Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto could draw more attention to terrorism and national security, an issue that still ranked highly with the public and which 45 percent of those polled considered extremely important.


    This latest AP-Yahoo News survey of more than 1,800 people by Knowledge Networks offers a unique opportunity to track changes in public attitudes as the presidential campaign unfolds. The first poll was last month and set a base line to measure national sentiment.


    In the new results, men and women approaching retirement were especially attentive to the economy and health care, with six out of 10 ranking both issues extremely important. Politically, the attention to such domestic issues hangs darkly over Republicans. Voters say they are far more likely to trust Democrats to handle the economy and health care.


    Consider Linda Zimmerman, a 50-year-old sheep farmer from Thurmont, Md. Her daughter and son-in-law are having trouble keeping up with two mortgages on a town house, she said. One street in her neighborhood has five homes for sale, and one has been on the market for two years.


    Registered as a Republican, she's ready to reconsider.


    "We're Republicans and I'm very unhappy with them, and I've been watching the Democrats," she said. "We did better when (Bill) Clinton was in than we did with Bush. It's just terrible."


    The Democratic edge on such issues illustrates the predicament Republicans face going into a presidential election. Iraq doesn't dominate the news as it used to, replaced by headlines about slumping home sales, high gasoline prices and a credit crunch.


    The impact of Bhutto's assassination on public opinion depends on whether Americans perceive her death as an added threat to the United States. Terrorism was the only issue polled that Republicans were more trusted than Democrats to handle well.


    Republican Rudy Giuliani had benefited most from people's fears of terrorism. But over the past month his level of support dropped, even among voters who said terrorism was an important issue. Giuliani is now trying to get some of those voters back, releasing an ad Thursday that uses images of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack on New York.


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    Financial worries have risen in prominence. Forty-eight percent of those polled said Social Security is extremely important to them, up from 42 percent in November. That's virtually the same as the 46 percent who considered Iraq extremely important.


    These new public concerns are reflected on the campaign trail, where candidates are hitting domestic topics hard. There too, Democrats have an edge over Republicans when it comes to connecting with their core voters.


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    His view is influenced by the flight of manufacturing jobs from his state, by the "For Sale" signs that outnumber the "Sold" signs on neighborhood lawns and by his mother's health care needs.


    "We're all of a sudden becoming a country of rich and poor," he said. "The middle class is eroding."


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    Interest in immigration — a major issue in the Republican presidential contest — remained the same as last month, with 37 percent saying it was an extremely important issue. But for all the candidates' efforts to distinguish themselves on that issue, the poll found that none of the leading contenders holds an advantage among Republicans who feel most strongly about immigration.


    Sentiments on health care and the economy could make a difference in the Democratic contest.


    Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards supporters have much stronger feelings about the economy and Social Security than Obama voters. Edwards has staked his campaign on a message of economic populism, while Clinton draws 40 percent of her support from people with household incomes of less than $25,000, far more than her rivals.


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    Lynn Haynes, 42, of Huntington, W.Va., works in the state government's welfare department where she sees clients who can't afford health care. What's more, she has a 35-year-old sister who is developmentally delayed and "falls into the cracks" of government assistance programs. She's a registered Republican, likes Giuliani but supports universal health care and is giving Democrats a hard look.


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    The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it for free.


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    Now, now, piglet....did I EVER say you or any other...
    liberal was evil? I just have a differing opinion on some issues. Why some cannot handle that, why it is such a thorn in some sides...why there is such intolerance on this board for a differing opinion...one does wonder.

    Have a good day! :)


    Like your POV, piglet

    Ahh, the paradox of what is God's will.  "Thou shalt not kill" being one of the commandments, I find it really strange how many bloody battles are chronicled in the Bible and of course, God's team always wins.  So what's that message - don't kill unless God tells you its cool?  How do you know GOD is the one telling you to kill - maybe its a demon impersonating god and trying to get you sin by killing without God's express permission? 


    Certainly our president must have a direct line to God and has direct permission to go kill - it can't possibly be God's will for those people to stay alive (yet strangely he created them in the first place, hmmmm).


    And what about bugs and vermin?  Its OK to kill them - right?  Its OK to kill animals for sport and food, right?  Don't need God's permission to kill them - even though it is presumably God's will for them to be alive or they wouldn't be here?


    Let pro-war anti-abortionists clarify that one, please!


    Yeah Piglet!!
    You make my point so much more eloquently than I can!
    Protection, piglet.....
    if we remove the US military presence and full blown insurgency left to take over, the people we are protecting with patrols in Baghdad will no longer have that protection. If they are killing as many of them as they are with us there, you really expect that to just stop when we leave? What bubble are YOU living in?

    My way of thinking is not to abandon them now that we are there, regardless of how we got there. You can't turn back time. It's done. And yes, I think we owe it to the Iraqis who welcomed us (and they did in the beginning) and trusted us (and they did in the beginning and some still do...I see it because I don't just watch liberal media)...yes, I think we owe it to those people not to abandon them. If that means a continued military presence for awhile, then I think we should do that. You don't agree. Fine. I think the pain the Iraqi people will feel will be multipled many times over if we pull out now. You don't. Fine. Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion, but I don't need to. We will just agree to disagree.

    And..as a side note...I don't really think you are in a position to call ME arrogant.

    Going, having a nice day. lol.
    Oh duh well gee thanks piglet for doin that...
    fer me. Now maybe I kin understan it. Yer so kind.

    I suppose I didn't get through all your post, to coin your words, too much recycled "wind."

    Bottom line...if they ever DO get past the posturing stage and impeach the man, and if he is proven guilty, he should be removed from office. I have said that time and time again. Because I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, no matter what political bent someone is. And if he is proven guilty, I sure won't be defending him and yelling hatchet job and vast leftwing conspiracy. You can't say that honestly, you know you can't. If he was found innocent you would be screaming those very things just like everyone else on the liberal blogs. There is no objective thinking anymore. There is no equal application of the law anymore. And that only bothers you on your own side. You could care less what happens to people who do not agree with you. And there is something very, very wrong with that picture.

    You have an inability to think objectively anymore. Everything is colored by your political idealogical bent. If a Republican, or a "conservative" says it, it has to be a lie. Cheney is guilty in your mind no matter what an impeachment trial would bring out. Bush is guilty in your mind, it does not matter what evidencce to the contrary might be presented. At least have the guts to admit it. You don't believe if equal justice for all. You don't believe in the concept of justice unless it applies to your side of the fence.

    And that, my friend, is why I, and a lot of other Americans, are sick to death of politics. And which is why I am hoping that if Paul does not get the nomination, or another person who shall remain nameless, I hope one of them will run on Independent ticket and send a real message. I hope someone has the guts to tap that resource. I would really like to see that happen. So I am taking your advice, piglet. I am looking to change things. And it is about darned time someone did...thank you SO much for the motivation. Perhaps what I can do here will help. Movements start somewhere, with someone.

    We shall see...have a great day, piglet, a REALLY great day!
    One more thing, piglet...
    you don't find 48 million dead babies just the least bit sad??
    Ah, the piglet post of disdain...
    I can always count on you.

    If you had read the post a little closer, you would have seen that I said that John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson did NOT run from war...the word "except" is the big one you missed. You might try reading the whole thing and understanding it before going off on me...but you are so eager to do the latter you won't take time to do the former. John Kennedy put all the players in Nam including helicopter support and Green Berets on his watch...Johnson picked up the ball after Kennedy was assassinated. So he actually started it.

    That being said, other than that ill-conceived venture...I think John Kennedy was a good President and a decent man, and if liberals now were more like he was then...suffice it to say I would understand them much better.

    You keep saying conservative party. There is no conservative party that I know of. I would agree that the Republican party right now is NOT conservative (at least the upper level politicos) and I have said that numerous times...and I am not a registered Republican except at primary times...as I have also said numerous times. Selective memory, piglet?

    And I don't really CARE if you want to call emancipation a LIBERAL idea, and voting for African Americans and women LIBERAL ideas. You can say that until you are blue in the face. It was conservatives who put them into motion, made them work, and they are sustained today. Abraham Lincoln was as conservative by description as there is. He was a deeply religious man and a deeply moral man. His opposition to slavery was on the basis that it was a deeply moral wrong. Until the government got into the social programs business, the majority of programs geared toward the poor and disadvantaged were...GASP...religious programs, also prompted by a deep moral provocation from a place of humility, to serve the needs of the less fortunate, and they did a good job of it. And you can say those are LIBERAL ideas, but they were put into action by CONSERVATIVE people. Ideas are fine, but ACTIONS are what counts.

    You have very little tolerance for anyone who does not share your beliefs. No wait..I take that back. Zero tolerance. lol.
    Piglet, thank you for your voice of reason
    It's very refreshing. Thanks again...
    Piglet touched on a point in one of her....

    posts that is important to understand the profound difference in liberals and conservatives...while I don't agree with the exact wording...it is in the right vein.   She said "liberals view it as a human issue and conservatives view it as a business."  That is not entirely true, because that suggests conservatives do not view it as a human issue at all.  They do.  The difference is, I believe, that while conservatives do have the same compassion, that is tempered with sober thinking. Thinking about what it will cost.  Thinking about the long-term effects.  Thinking about how it affects everyone.  There has to be that balance.  One part of the family needs to try to keep the other part of the family from giving away the farm, to put it simply.  You make similar decisions in your personal lives.  Your kids want a lot of things.  You can't afford to give them everything they want, so you have to make choices.  There just needs to be that balance.  That is obvious from the postings.  Any long-term effect or cost of an entitlement is not entertained, and if it is brought to light, it is greeted with, for lack of a better phrase, "Why do you want to rain on the parade?"  And that really is not the intention.  Conservatives are not against everyone having health care.  Conservatives are not against helping those truly in need.  Conservatives are against keeping people in poverty and beholden to the central government for their every need.  That is a dangerous path.


    Why can't we ask the government, instead of just adding yet aonther entitlement, to look at how much money comes in from income taxes as they now stand.  Then look at how much is spent on entitlements.  If it is the consensus of the nation that national health care is the most important to them, then that should be funded first.  Without raising taxes.  That would be reform; you say you want reform.  


    Why not reform the welfare system?  Much money could be saved there.  Tighten it up.  Stop making assistance permanent if the person is able to work.  Give them a check, and with that check mandatory participation in job training and placement program, and when they place you, the check stops.  No more endless welfare checks for people who are able to work.  If it is a low wage job, then other entitlements can help...food stamps, etc.  Get people off the government tab who are able to work.  I think we would all be amazed at how much money that would free up for other more important entitlements.   That is what I am talking about.  Let's not create yet another entitlement and raise taxes yet again.  Let's tighten up the government belt.


    All that being said, I still have great reservations about national health care from a socialism point of view. Reform health care, introduce more free market negotiation to get the cost of health care down....all those things I am not against.  We don't know if it will work or not, but I would think we should try that first before starting down the slippery slope of socialist programs.


    In closing, I would just like to say....we are all Americans, and we do have that in common.  Our lives are probably very similar and we probably come from about the same economic group.  We have differing views, but that doesn't mean we can't treat each other respectfully and not take postings personally, and yes, I am guilty like others of the "pouty postings."  I would like to start away from that, and am going to make a concentrated effort to do so.  I hope others will join me.  We can have discussions, disagreements and lively debates...without disliking someone we don't really know because their opinions differ.  AsI have said and others have said...we have friends or family members with opposing views, but we manage to get through that.  My stepdaughters both are verryyy liberal gals, and we have lively discussions, I agree with them occasionally and they agree with me occasionally...and in the end...we all know where we would like to go, we just differ in how to get there.


    God bless, and have a great day!


    GREAT post, Piglet....you said it 4 me..sm

    this sentence you said....you summed it up for me, what I feel and my thoughts


    *Pro-life to me means anti-war, anti-starvation, anti-subjugation, etcetera, for all living things.*


    YOU_GOT_IT!!   


    LOL. Piglet jumped off the carousel and
    LOL.  I'm finding you two and myself a little too amusing today.  Think I've been staring at a computer screen too long today because I'm finding this conversation funny all of a sudden.  Oh well.  Laughter is good for you right?
    Umm...2003...isn't that the PAST, piglet....
    I thought you were interested in NOW. :-)
    Fantastic post Piglet. From Whorn s/m
    Thanks for your post piglet. It seems a number of us share concerns regarding the current system. I  currently have health insurance, but due to my age of over 55 and a few minor preexisting conditions I am unable to secure health insurance for below $13.000,00 a year. I  am able to deduct 100% of my premiun on my taxes. I pay no federal tax as a result, but the lessened dollar amout off of off my taxes is  about $150.00 a year, and does  really make a dent in my $!3,000 annual health premium.
    um tara, she didn't write the article (piglet)...sm
    what is up with you?  Take your nasty pill today?  As a newbie to this particular board (liberals) - I'm offended to read your waste-of-bandwidth attacks/reactions.  Hope the rest of the year 2008 is better for you than the first couple of days appear to be. 
    Nice post piglet. All your points are well made.

    I agree 100% with what you had to say.  Too many Americans have been brainwashed by fear, and I think many Americans who are against universal healthcare are just buying into the Chicken Little syndrome that is so prevelent in this country lately.  The sky will fall if all of our citizens have access to affordable healthcare!


    As you said, using France's system as a model does not mean we have to do everything exactly as France has, but they are a great example of a system that is working.


    Piglet: Kasparov calls Russia's elections...s/m

    meaning the recent Putin reelection.....the *dirtiest* in their history.....


    http://newsfromrussia.com/news/russia/03-12-2007/102126-kasparov_elections-0


    To Piglet....Gary Kasparov was released from jail
    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/29/kasparov.jail.ap/
    Hear, hear! He is an exceptional person for an ....sm
    exceptionable time. They say that God is watching us from a distance and I believe that is true. I think that Obama has a good pure heart, extraordinary intelligence, does truly want to improve our lives, and my prayers are with him. How about that he has Bobby Kennedy's desk (my hero).
    Hear ye, hear ye. We don't want to be scared.
    nm
    Do you hear yourself?
    You drive even other Democrats off this board.  There hasn't been logical debate here in weeks.  You have no idea how you appear on the conservative board. Like a bunch of grade schoolers.  They have stayed away from the most part from here, but you have not afforded them the same courtesy.  And yet you think YOU have taken the higher ground.  It's just amazing your lack of insight into your own behavior.  Just as you were accused, so was I.  By one of YOU.  Unbelieveable.
    My God, do you hear yourself? NM

    You won't hear that in the MSM!
    Thanks for posting the article!
    So what I hear you saying is...

    ...that you're terribly proud of youself because when you beat up on people and they bite back at you that you don't whine about it?  And also that you beat up on the libs because of their feelings about the troops and the war.  Seems like you lash out indiscriminately on this board without really knowing what most folks believe. 


    And you are deceitful in saying I saw someone on the conservative board being wished to die and burn in hell once.  ACtually I wrote the post you refer to and that is NOT what I wrote.  Do you recall the game folks play at parties where a story is whispered in the ear of one person after another and then the story is read as it started out and then read as it ended up?  And then everyone marvels over how much it changed?  Well, that's what has happened here.  So you are lying when you provide a quote of that post as the truth.


    I did not hear this but it was probably said
    in reference to global warming, not Bush, causing more numerous and more severe hurricanes. The water in the Gulf of Mexico is right now around 90 degrees Fahrenheit. The warmth of the water is what restrengthed the hurricane.
    I hear ya.

    Reading your post, I think you'd be shocked if you realized how close you came to describing MY life! 


     


    Do you hear yourself?
    Talk about talking points...you were firing them like crazy yesterday. And again...the moderator has said over and over and over again anyone who wants to post on either board can. I guess at least the moderator still believes in free speech, even if liberals do not. Liberals, who profess to be tolerant, are the most INtolerant group I have ever seen (at least most of the ones who come here). You ask a question, counter a point, ask them to defend a belief, and they go nuts. At least you finally put the truth into words...separate. I guess that is what liberals want. Well, my friend, I have news for you. This is America. COnservatives have just as much right to be here as liberals. If you are firm in your beliefs, you should have no problem debating. There is 1 who posts here who still believes that conservatives have the same rights liberals do, and is able to look past idealistic rhetoric to get to the real truth of things. Extremely refreshing. As to bothered...you do not bother me at all. You have every right to say what you want to say....but you should not expect it to go unchallenged.

    That is another thing I do not understand about liberals...and why live and let live rings hollow. What you really mean is....we live over here on this board and we let you live over there on that board and don't you DARE to come over to this board because we don't want you to live over here.

    That is the definition of intolerant...segregation.
    I hear ya, DW....
    but it does seem like the Republicans recognize those in their midst who claim to be Republican but their actions do not follow...and they call them out on it. RINOs. Obviously there are those on the liberal side as well. Makes sense there would be. It is just that I have never seen them separate themselves before...especially to the extent of a couple of posters who answered my question a couple of weeks ago. Very interesting. And actually very encouraging.
    I hear what you are saying....
    and I agree it would be difficult. You are right; the statistics I find say that 40% of the "convenience abortions" are not the first or even the second abortion for the woman. That being the case, I am not content to say because it would be hard to sort out, just go ahead and kill'em all anyway. So I will continue to vote for a man who will at least take a stab at trying to fix it.

    And so myself and others with agree to disagree...and some of us will agree, at least, that abortion is wrong but fixing it won't be easy...

    God bless!
    Not that you want to hear from me, but...
    actually I did watch it.  From a completely objective viewpoint, just looking at the performance and content per se, I agree with you.  Hillary, I thought, was much stronger and did not let the others run over her like before.  Again, objectively, I think Obama talked too much, meaning, took forever to get to his point and the way he delivers things might go over the heads of some people, or they stop listening waiting for the point.  Biden was strong, and he looks presidential, and to some people that is really important.  I know Hillary is not a tall person, and I know Obama is, but it was really striking in a couple of the shots...she really had the head back so she could look up at him and he had the head down ya-yaing at her.  Just an observation.  But I think she handled herself well.   As much flak as Hillary has gotten over the driver's licenses to illegals thing, I thought the way she answered the question if she was for it, was priceless...after Obama went on and on, she just said "No."  I think that was a bit of a coup DE grace for her, as an objective "observer."  lol
    How sad to hear that....
    This country was founded on a belief of being "free", allowing freedom from government involvement and corruption. Obama has stated he wants bigger government, more government to tell you how to act/feel/breath, all at your expense. Now, where is the freedom in that? Taxation, taxation, taxation.....it is sad to hear citizens of the US say they would rather be a socialist than fascist, when what one should be saying is I don't want government in my life at all...period!!!
    No, what I am saying is if I want to hear anything about the ...
    conservative side of things along with the liberal/Democrat side of things, Fox is the only alternative. Democrats/liberals are not the only people who tell the "Truth." So far I have not caught Fox in an outright lie, and they chose NOT to run that ad about Obama and Ayers that the guy in Texas made up, which I thought was fair, and if they were indeed as they are described here they would be running it every hour. Geez.
    i hear ya

    The unique thing about conservatives is that they form their own opinions.  Savage came out against Palin, and yesterday he was still against her.  I don't need anyone to decide or think for me.  But his stories are so worth the time.  This is one area where he's completely different from all of them.  That's why he wrote this current book and did every bit of it himself.  No editing, no publisher, just his words.  Gotta respect that, I say.  His dog (Teddy) has become a big star, too, and has his own section on his w/s.


    Would rather hear a few ers and uhs
    a polished, poised parrot delivering scripted speech from mysterious authors. It may be shocking to some, but we like our leaders to show us a glimpse of original thought and inspired vision all on their own from time to time.
    I hear ya.......... sm
    you want to see a stagnated salary? Just look at my paycheck!!

    The thing that really fries my taters is that we are the ones who will ultimately pay for these raises.
    Hear, Hear!
    thx
    I hear ya...lol (nm)
    nm
    you can HEAR me?

    rapidly progressing . . .


     


    Do you hear yourself?
    Adultry is okay as long as you say it out loud. Now dictatorship is okay as long as the candidate has the "decency" to say it out loud? Democrats are not socialists, no matter how persistently you try to assert that claim. Scare tactics are boring and downright insulting in view of the crisis the country now finds itself in. These pathetic distractions will end up costing your party any chance it may have once had of winning this race. Enjoy your descent and your ultimate defeat. Your party has earned it....10 times over.
    What exactly do you want to hear.....
    For the sake of pretending you didn't just read how VP nominee Biden can't stand his own presidential running mate, we'll do this again.

    Now, that being said why do you automatically assume I am pushing the McCain ticket?
    I am pointing out why Obama is a joke. If a man's character cannot be upheld, why in the heck would you want him running your country. There are numerous FACTS, yes, FACTS where this man is associated with horrible people, questionable organizations, and now he and Biden are great friends, all this without question. I'm sorry to say at this point our economy won't be worth crap in a pot if we have a corrupt man heading up this country. He and McCain can't get anything straight on the economics issue because it is a mess and they know it. There is no one thing that will make this all turnaround. They cannot make any promises without those monies coming from somewhere to pay for all those monies.

    McCain has said he wants to cut taxes.....haven't heard that with Obama and no way we will. Socialists do not do that. Everything about his history screams socialist and that should be very frightening to everyone. There is nothing about McCain's history that scream socialist views and you cannot tie him in with terrorists, no matter how hard you try. So there are my choices, socialist or capitalist, very questionable associations or not.

    McCain said he wanted to create an alternative system for paying income taxes and double the income tax exemption for dependents. Have an income tax system that offers two basic rates and a generous standard deduction. McCain would let Americans choose between the new system and the present one.
    This is what he said and sounds better than anything I've heard from Obama.

    "Americans do not resent paying their rightful share of taxes -- what they do resent is being subjected to thousands of pages of needless and often irrational rules and demands" from the Internal Revenue Service, he said. "We are going to create a new and simpler tax system -- and give the American people a choice."

    McCain said he also would like eventually to phase out the alternative minimum tax, and says this will save more than 25 million middle-class families more than 2,000 dollars every year.

    McCain said he plans to overhaul the tax code, close costly, unfair corporate loopholes and veto every bill containing earmarks "until the Congress stops sending bills with earmarks because lawmakers always use earmarks -- spending initiatives attached to unrelated bills -- to fund pet projects and curry favor with constituents and donors.

    He wants to enact a one-year pause in discretionary spending and have the governmentw investigate each department's and agency's budget. Military spending and veterans benefits would be exempt.

    McCain said he would use the money saved from these proposals to ease the burden on employers by lowering the business income tax from 35 percent to 25 percent. He said, "As it is, we have the second-highest tax on business in the industrialized world. High tax rates are driving many businesses and jobs overseas -- and, of course, our foreign competitors wouldn't mind if we kept it that way," he said.



    Not all, but most from what I hear.
    .
    You say what you say. I hear what I hear. Must have been
    pouring out of the red camp hate macine for weeks on end, so much so that it is all becoming just one big slur blur. Did you see the Johnstown PA McCain rally clip? How about republicans who hang Obama in effigy in front of their house by tying a noose around a Halloween ghost wearing an Obama T-shirt and let him swing from a tree branch for all those world, including their own children, to see? Yeah. Not a racist amoungst you.
    i hear ya
    x
    I hear you on that one!
    Why is is that we have to vote in a new president every four years, but Congress gets to stay in for life? They'll probably have to tear Nancy Pelosi's cold dead body out of her chair, not to mention some of the other cronies that have been there forever. Term limits on Congress? An idea to think over.
    If I hear that (sm)
    I'm moving because I am SOOOO in a horror movie....LOL.
    Because I believe NOTHING I hear
    and only half of what I see. 
    I am sorry to hear that. nm

    Sorry to hear
    that you condone racism coming from one church but one someone points it out you accuse them of racism. In all forms it needs to be eliminated.
    I hear ya, GP. (sm)
    Every day, same old, same old.  It's disheartening.
    Actually we just don't want to hear him at all
    Until he is sworn and and "legally" president.
    sorry to hear that

    but not too much.