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Pastors would be held responsible from the pulpit just teaching

Posted By: the Bible against homosexuality! NM on 2009-05-06
In Reply to: So basically it's a freedom of speech thing? - Zville MT

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She belongs behind some pulpit in St. Croix
good riddence
Pastors...
Yes, just proves the point, if you talk the talk but don't walk the walk, God will expose you, and generally it is in a very public way. Especially those who call themselves Christians but do not live accordingly. That is why the Bible says to watch the life and the actions, not the words (many shall come in my name....). I am glad to see the congregation condemn the sin but continue to love the sinner. That is as it should be.
not all pastors
Not all pastors will vote the way you think soley on abortion issues. I am a member of Presbyterian Church USA and as a church, we are prochoice, and we usually vote pretty liberal. Not everyone in the church feels this way, but overall, we lean pretty far to the left. My pastor always says he is a "radical" not a liberal.
We could care less what anyone's pastors say, it's Palin's preachings/her words here that a
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I am teaching a small ESL

course in grammar.  Two examples I use


President Bush flew BACK from vacation to sign the Terri Schiavo legislation.


President Bush flew OVER the Katrina victims.


 


It seems to help them understand better.


 


 


I hardly think that teaching kids...(sm)
how NOT to bash LGBTs is going to "force homosexuality upon your kids."  Give me a break!  They aren't teaching Peter how to kiss Paul.  They're teaching Peter how not to beat up Paul.  I think it's really sad that this actually has to be a lessen in school in the first place, and in grammar school at that  --- not because of the LGBT issues being brought to light, but because of the parents who have obviously taught their kids that its okay to bash others who are different.  How many times have you called an LGBT a bad name in front of your kids?  Hmmm....
They aren't teaching
Peter how to kiss Paul. They are, however, trying to reinforce to our children that if Peter kisses Paul, it's acceptable. We will continue to teach them that it's not. We do not teach our kids to bash others who are different but to bash the bad behaviors that others engage in. The homosexual community's doublespeak isn't going to work.
Teaching about contraception is the key, IMHO
We need to start teaching men and women about contraception.  Im amazed when I read medical reports at how many do not use anything or the *rhythm method*.  Yes, I agree with you..I would love for there to be no thing such as abortion..It is a terrible thing, breaks my heart, however, until we educate people about contraception and taking responsibility for their sexual lives, abortion will continue, whether it is legal or not..and that is the terrible part.  I can remember back in NY in the 1970s..Abortion was not legal..and women ended up dead in back room alleys, dirty motel rooms, in their own homes, trying to end a pregnancy with a coat hanger, their insides ripped out.  I remember seeing pictures in Ms Magazine of police files of women who died trying to terminate a pregnancy.  I fear it will go back to that..
The only ones teaching hate are people

you continue to lie and say he is.  He is not teaching hate.  In fact, it's quite the opposite. He's showing grace and dignity and trying to bring people together, but about 20% of Americans don't want that.  They want to continue the divide that Bush started.  20% people hate Obama and they represent most of the posts on this board, day after day, whining, complaining, moaning and lying about Obama.


You would deny healthcare to people who need it.  You would deny Social Security benefits to those who worked all their lives.  As long as you have yours, you don't care about anyone else. There's a whole thread on this page devoted to hatred of gays and gay marriage.  There's also a thread devoted to a **hate crimes bill** that you all hate, as well.  Don't worry.  Hatred comes from the heart, so you're not in danger of losing any of the overflowing supply you seem to harbor.


So it's the **national day of prayer**.  There is not one person in this country who is deprived the right to pray.  Not one.  Everyone can pray regardless of their religion.  The day was intended for everyone of all faiths to come together and pray for our country to succeed.  But you don't want that.  You, Cooter and Rush and the other nut jobs out there want it to fail.  There are a lot of good people who happen to be Muslim, just as there are a lot of bad people who claim to be Christian.  There are good and bad in both. One religion is no better than any other.  They are all equal in this country.  That's what freedom of religion means.


There's probably a good reason that there isn't a **national day of government** in churches across this country.


Once again, Obama is not a Muslim and you're a sick, hateful pathetic liar.  If any harm comes to President Obama it will be from someone who hallucinates and promotes hatred just like you do.


What is your problem with just teaching no bullying
There is no need to point out homosexuals as being people they should not pick on. Why pick out any single type of kid?

Did you ever hear of just teaching your child to be nice to people, to not name call, bully or pick on anyone? That would just about wrap it up wouldn't it?

There are many young children in elementary school that do not even know the term "homosexual", so I certainly don't believe it is the school's job to bring that to the attention of a child. That is the parent's responsibility to explain what homosexuality is, if they so choose.

You think for a minute if a school starts talking about tolerance of homosexuals that questions wouldn't arise about what they do, what that means, why they do that, and every other question they could possibly imagine? I sure as heck don't care for the school system to educate my child on gays or their lifestyle, thank you very much!

Teaching a child about not making fun of a child with disabilities is NOT the same as teaching a child about homosexuals. You believe homosexuality to be a "disability". Funny you brought up those two things together..........

No sell!
What kind of moral teaching she had as a child is no

reflection of whether or not she has a child out of wedlock.  My 18-year-old niece was raised in church, had good Christian parents and got pregnant before marriage.  You can only teach a child.  You can't force him or her to live by your own convictions. 


'Fuzzy math ' - isn't that what they're teaching in all the
So that they'll be even more adept at rigging election results than last time?
Freedom of religion? Since when is teaching hate a
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Palin believes teaching abstinence only is the thing to do - nm
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parents signed their child up for the religion teaching
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When is that debate going to be held?
I agree people are fed up with politics as usual and with all the reasons you gave. I don’t understand why some people are saying Mr. Obama is running for president of the world just because he calls himself a citizen of the world. I thought he was talking about American diplomacy and trying to improve international relations. He was in Europe and I think the Europeans want to see that happen instead of war. The accusations don’t seem very important. You already know what is important to you so all you can do is listen to the debate between Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama and make up your mind about which candidate sounds like he would care about those things the most and then vote for that one. It is too bad that people think politicians are liars but sometimes the campaign managers try to make the other candidate look like a liar. I just try to believe in what the candidate says about himself and his ideas. I wish Mr. Obama would ask Hillary to join him on the ticket because she had so much support and they would make a good team.
You think expecting someone to be held
lacking compassion?? I think it's the key to life. Case in point, I read today where once again we have a major hurricane and 250,000 chose not to heed evacuation warnings. And guess what? NOW they want to be bailed out, want rescuers to risk life and limb to save them from their own bad choices. You're right, though, I suppose. While I do have much compassion for the TRULY needy, I don't think there are as many of them in this country as the numbers using programs would reflect. I don't have a lot of compassion for lazy people who think they deserve life's best handed to them on a silver platter. I know a guy who hasn't worked in years and makes more money on disability than I make slaving at my computer for 50 hours a week, and there's not a thing wrong with him. They even have the guy on video doing heavy lifting and the whole 9 yards but he still gets those checks. I guess I'll just smile and be compassionate toward him and his sorry lot in life. lol
Has the election already been held?
And the answer is - Most definitely NOT. You and your pompous dems that say Obama WILL be the next president. You don't know. Me, I don't care. Whoever gets in gets in. If its Obama fine, if its McCain fine. But the truth of the matter is the election has not been held, we still have a few weeks and nobody knows. This election is very very close. Are you planning to do something personally that is illegal that will throw the election to Obama? Even the guy who is in charge of polls (Mr. Rasmussen) said because the polls are so close that goes to show you that anything can happen. So with that said - No election yet, no winner yet!

You may say your going to write in Lou Dobbs, but I believe that is just a smoke screen to make people think you are not for Obama, but your message shows strongly who you want to win.

It's the Obama supporters who are saying he WILL be the next president, he has WON already. Then you bash McCain while in the same breathing saying McCain supporters are picking on you.

So once again let me repeat myself....no election yet, no winner yet.
They should all be held accountable s/m
Especially given Cheney's brazen admission to not only knowing about, but giving the green light on the types of torture that we used to deem punishable by death.  If we as Americans don't stand up and demand accountability for these heinous acts, we are no better than the other despotic nations that allow this. 
Look up the 80 year old U.S. man who is being held
He is being held there unlawfully, even though he has done nothing. He is sleeping on a hard concrete floor, dying a slow agonizing death of pneumonia with NO medical care.

Even the mayor of this small Mexican town has reviewed the situation and asked that this elderly man be returned to his country but their corrupt government won't do it. BUT, they certainly have no problem pushing them all up here for me to take care of and when tens of thousands of them end up in prison while murdering, raping, stealing, etc., we give them medical care, feed their sorry butts, and even make sure they have an education at my expense if they want one, all to the tune of billions of dollars a year.

Believe me, if that little girl's family still cannot speak English, I can almost guarantee you they are not here legally. No doubt the girl was born here, which makes her an anchor baby, and should have made her illegal as well.

All those that want to fall for that pity thing will soon find themselves without and at the mercy of a Mexican-driven society with Mexican-driven beliefs. Talk to some citizens in bordertown states and the proof is in the crap going on in their towns.
Reserves being held, yes. New oil and gas

kept quiet from everyone but the government...until the internet, of course.. These are new oil and gas finds.


The so-called reserves are held in case of emergency, so the prez and cabinet members can get out of the way of a red alert. Not for the citizens.


really, how many people held the baby, 4?
The middle sister, Cindy McCain, the father, and the youngest daughter?

OMG HOW HORRIBLE!!!
Labor not held to same standard as
other parties in the negotiations, i.e., double standard. During the debates on TARP funds, aside from the parachutes, when were white collar salaries ever examined?
Bush has no say in if election will be held
You'll be the first to say he can't even read a book, but then turn around and he's suppose to be intelligent enough to be able to stop the elections. That moronian can't find his left hand from his right. Think it takes a little more brains to be able to stop an election. Whatever Bush has done it's been at the direction of the people who are over him. He's just a talking head and puppet and does whatever he's told to do.

With that said though, I believe the election should be put on hold until this mess is straightened out. I heard Lou Dobbs yesterday give both sides a good lashin. I'm tellin you, never seen anyone so mad and disgusted with both candidates for not doing what's right. Neither side got a free pass on that one. That is the way news is suppose to be. When you have one side praising up and down their candidate while trying to destroy the other (goes for both sides) that is not fair and not any news I can trust. Hold them both accountable for what they do (or don't do).
At least O held the book right-side up......

Justified Rage! . . . . .Held in!! . . .How,
please, how can you justify the rage you display here? Actually, I see more hate than rage displayed. Also, who has been holding it in for the past 8 years???? Certainly no one on this board has been guilty of holding it in.

I hope GWB is the closest you ever come to having a dictator as your president, but just in case, please keep an open mind.
Update: Pat's finally being held accountable

for his hateful words.  Israel now refuses to do business with him because of his bizarre remarks about Sharon. Needless to say, I was very happy to see this.






  MSNBC.com

Israel pulls plug on Pat Robertson deal
Officials angry over evangelical leader's comments about Sharon's stroke


The Associated Press

Updated: 8:14 a.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006



JERUSALEM - Israel won't do business with Pat Robertson after the evangelical leader suggested Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's massive stroke was divine punishment, a tourism official said Wednesday, putting into doubt plans to develop a large Christian tourism center in northern Israel.


Avi Hartuv, spokesman for Israel's tourism minister, said officials are furious with Robertson's suggestion that the stroke was retribution for Sharon's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip last summer. We can't accept this kind of statement, Hartuv said.


Robertson is leading a group of evangelicals who have pledged to raise $50 million to build the Christian Heritage Center in Israel's northern Galilee region, where tradition says Jesus lived and taught.


Under a tentative agreement, Robertson's group was to put up the funding, while Israel would provide land and infrastructure. Israeli officials believe the project will generate tens of millions of tourism dollars.


But the project now is in question in light of Robertson's comments, said Hartuv.


We will not do business with him, only with other evangelicals who don't back these comments, Hartuv said. We will do business with other evangelical leaders, friends of Israel, but not with him.


A day after Sharon's stroke on Jan. 4, Robertson suggested the prime minister was being punished for dividing God's land, a reference to the August pullout from the Gaza Strip and four West Bank settlements.


God considers this land to be his, Robertson said on his TV program The 700 Club. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.'


Robertson's comments also drew condemnation from other Christian leaders and even U.S. President George W. Bush.


The ministry's decision was first reported in Wednesday's edition of The Jerusalem Post.


Christian center planned near Galilee
Robertson's Christian Heritage Center was to be tucked away in 35 acres of rolling Galilee hills, near key Christian sites such as Capernaum, the Mount of the Beatitudes, where tradition says Jesus delivered the Sermon of the Mount, and Tabgha -- on the shores of the Sea of Galilee -- where Christians believe Jesus performed the miracle of the loaves and fish.


The project underlines how ties have strengthened in recent years between Israel and evangelical Christian groups that support the Jewish state.


Israel was considering leasing the land to the Christians for free. Tourism Minister Avraham Hirschson predicted it would annually draw up to 1 million pilgrims who would spend $1.5 billion in Israel and support about 40,000 jobs.


Hirschson, however, is one of Sharon's biggest supporters, and a member of the centrist Kadima party recently founded by the prime minister.


Hartuv left the door open to continuing the project, but only with people who don't back Robertson's statements.


We want to see who in the group supports his (Robertson's) statements. Those who support the statements cannot do business with us. Those that publicly support Ariel Sharon's recovery ... are welcome to do business with us, Hartuv said. We have to check this very, very carefully.


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well have you ever held a baby? "grasping" is the word of the day
everyone wants to hold babies! PLUS YOUR ARMS GET TIRED!


wasn't it the republicans that held out for more stuff? nm
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it wasn't held back. See post below
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I will, provided courtesy is held on the conservative board as well.
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That's awful! Praying all those held will be released safely...
they are saying a woman and child have been released, and that is a good thing...praying this will end with no innocent folks being hurt.
This is exactly how elections are held in Vermont, no voting machines. nm
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Held my nose and watched the same O'Reilly blather
made his pathetic atempt to delcare war on the NY Times, Rasmussen, etc. This is what sore losers do when they feel themselves in freefall. O'Reilly got his drawers in an uproar because he and Focks are down in the ratings and is'nt used to the idea of being #3 behind Olbermann, Cooper et all. Poor Bill.
Obama has held public office since 1997. Why then
to his eligibility prior to August 2008? His eligiblity to run for public office has been certified in 1996, 1998, 2002 and 2004. So why did it take the republican party so long to bring up this issue?
Bush lost the respect we held for him years ago.
and in no small measure is responsible for the divisions that we all find ourselves grapping with at this very moment. The election is over and the time is here for us to move on into the new age our fellow Americans have delivered to our feet.
It that garage sale is held every weekend - see message
it's a business. Just like the regular religious gatherings with the congregation. There are different building codes for different business. When you have a business you have to abide by fire codes, etc. If this couple that wants to have their regular business meetings in their home gets a permit then I have no problem with it. I have to have a business license for my MT work, they should have to have a business license for their regular business meetings.

You cannot compare this with someone who once every few years has a yard sale or tupperware party or BBQ.

The people from this article are conducting a business without a permit.
Thank you for being responsible..

enough to read up on someone and not take someone else's talking points and pass them off as fact. I am amazed at how many people are quick to jump on the bandwagon of rumor, name calling and hatred just because someone else has a different opinion. To those of you who can't do your own homework on the candidates without a little help from the far left or the far right, please don't vote, it is a waste of your time. Please don't vote for someone based solely on gender, color, military service or age.


As I said in my other post, there are a lot of gullible people out there who believe anything and everything they read. Do your own research, branch out further than Fox News, MSNBC, NY Times, etc. Educate yourselves!


Because someone is responsible for us being where we are...
people we trusted to be taking care of us, and they sold us down the river. And that is wrong. I would be saying the same thing if it were the Republicans responsible. They have been responsible for other things, sure they have. I am not an id*ot. However, this crisis, this huge crisis we find ourselves in, was completely avoidable. And I believe they should be held accountable. This is a really big deal. We are going to be on the hook for a huge amount of money before this is over. I guess I am the only one who cares how we got here. But I do care.
No, I'm responsible for my own "O"
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You mean the same way O is not responsible for
Rev Wright's sermons, Tony Rezko's shady deals, Bill Ayers actions 40 years ago, Acorn's discrepancies and Blago's corruption?
Yes, because I am responsible I am SOL
Exactly... oh because I have never been late on a payment, you wont help me? I have to be at least 3 months behind on my mortgage? No thanks.

Even though I lost the 50K I put down and I'm in an upside down mortgage (in a west coast state)...

I also bought at the height of the market in an ARM (7 years) with a stated income, probably someone they never should have given a loan to, however I can afford it! For now at least...

Yes it irks me like no other that I can't refinance simply because I've done the right thing.

it is quite disturbing

good luck to you!
Yes, he is responsible...(sm)
He's responsible for cleaning Bush's deficit, 2 wars, an economic meltdown that Bush ignored, etc..etc...etc...
The owner is responsible for her pet.
I do not hate cats, but I don't particularly like them either.  And I especially do not like doing my puttering in my flower bed and unearthing a nice fresh pile of cat poo.  It's disgusting.  But back to the issue at hand.  Is there a reason why this woman cannot keep this cat in the house?  Other than the fact that she is secretly enjoying this in some perverse way?  It's really pretty simple.  Keep. The. Cat. In. The. House.  Period.
who they hold responsible for what?
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This is about responsible leadership.
No blame game here. That's your job. This is about what Bush did and did not do while the catastrophe was unfolding in front of our very eyes. Your post demonstrates the blind eye you are turning toward the abysmal response on the part of Bush and the feds. Bush was on vacations turning his blind eye. The viewing audience did not turn that same blind eye, and they remember seeing all the local official's pleas for help fall on deaf ears. This is what republicans do. Deny, divert and dismiss in their hurry to make anybody and everybody else responsible for their own failures. All the spin in the world will not change what the American people are smart enough to figure out for themselves. Ask them who failed New Orleans.
Perhaps...as individuals are responsible for the way they act...
and the politics of personal destruction, frankly, suck. No matter who is on the receiving end. And this has been particularly nasty, hateful and sexist toward Palin...but Obama supporters are a different breed. They cut the hide off Hillary in strips too. It is a strange phenomenon.
a responsible American
how about you being a responsible American too and stop blaming EVERYTHING on republicans. Do you think the Dems had no role in the current situation in this country? Take your head out of the sand. There is enough blame to go around for both the republicans AND the democrats. And a responsible American would embrace the freedom of respect the other opinions of other people. We all have a right to express our opinions and be respected for them, not criticized for not thinking just like you.
Democrats are not responsible

for the mess we are in.  It's the republicans and all their deregulation, for one thing.  How about the war in Iraq and the huge deficit we now have?  And then there are the corporate tax breaks. All of those things have contributed to the mess we are in.  The money didn't trickle down, did it?  It only made the top 1% of the people in this country better off.  Those aren't things the democrats have done. 


The republicans made this mess and then they have the gall to turn around and blame the democrats.  Do you know why?  Because there are those out there who don't know better and will believe them.  That's what they are relying on.  The republicans got into office with lies and misleading the public and they are still trying the same tactics.  Hopefully enough people will not buy into it this time. 


No, he's not responsible for anyrthing....
He wasn't responsible for going to Selma, AL of all places and trying to kiss up to them, relating how he was born because of the marches, when the marches didn't even take place until 4 years after he was born.

When I hear Obama say how saddened he is to hear this or better yet, do like McCain who has already taken the time to call this lady's family and care about her well being, then we'll talk.

No black people don't start anything. It's always just the whites. You can believe whatever helps you sleep at night.

It works both ways. Reverse discrimination is alive and well in the U.S. as well.
responsible obama
I sleep at night just fine..as far as Obama is concerned with his going to Selma; I belive that people there are intelligent enough to know what is and is not true regarding his statement; and for those who believe everything he says..that is their perogative...as I said, the Bill O'Reilly's, Pat Buchanans and like of the world can spout bigotry, hatred and division all they want and those who cannot see it for what it is are indeed blind and driven by the same hatred and bigotry that they themselves will never admit to.  I will say that the majority of remarks made here about black people and other minorities have been bigoted, hateful and mean - how do you think it makes me feel when I come here and see remarks like 'towelhead', 'oreo' etc.  Most people say '**gger' is just a word too but you have no idea what it feels like when you are called one - I have experienced this and it feels like someone is spitting in your face and then they slap you. Do you know what it is like to be literally run out of a neighborhood you chose to live in, have your windows broken, cross burned on your lawn, children threatened and even your dog killed because 'your kind' (meaning me) we dont want here?  I know what it is because I have lived it, yet always being mindful of the fact that most people, be they black, white, red, brown, etc - are basically decent people who do not condone this type of behavior yet there are those who think it's okay.  When you have lived through something like this then perhaps you can tell ME something.