Someone who understands that chat room bashing
Posted By: is not an effective campaign strategy. amfm on 2008-09-04
In Reply to: Who is Palin's pick for running mate again? - MTpocketsTYGeorge
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What I want is a leader who understands
Palin flunks that test on multiple levels. She does not even have a grip on the duties of the office she is running for...much like Cheney. VPs take over in the event of the death, resignation, or removal of the president. They preside over the senate and break tie votes. They act only as an agent for the president and do not hold any EXECUTIVE powers. They preside over and certify official electoral college vote counts. On some occasions they are called upon by the president for advice, meet with heads of state (God forbid) and attend state functions and funerals. That ALL they do. There is no "flexibility" conferred by the Constitution in this regard, despite her claims to the contrary. She has already shown herself to be interested in MORE than what that office has to offer.
In terms of troopergate, the investigation was not a popularity referendum on the brother-in-law or the trooper she fired for not firing her brother-in-law. Palin clearly had a conflict of interest regarding the outcome of her sister's divorce/custody proceedings. It is customary in the US court system that the outcome of divorces and custody matters are decided in the family civil court system...not at the heavy hand of the governor's office exerting influence and abusing the of power of the office to influence the outcome of the decision. That is what she sought to do when she tried to get her brother-in-law fired....influence the custody decision. She sought to bypass the legal system and take matters into her own hands. That, my dear, is abuse of power. Laws apply to all of us all the time....not just when they suit us, and Palin showed complete disregard for the system and for the people who voted her into office when she decided to assume the role of judge, jury and executioner.
Seems like the investigation saw it that way too. This is a character issue that goes straight to the essence of integrity and judgment...Palin flunked, and in view of her previous record, this comes as no big surprise. It was not the first time she abused her position and if elected, it will not be the last.
Well, that makes one person who understands...(sm)
How about you explaining *trickle-up poverty* and how it works then? I really would like to know what (if any) logic is behind this statement.
Obama bashing versus Palin bashing... sm
Obama will be in the forefront for the next 4 years, assuming the electoral college pans out the way the popular vote did and providing his BC holds up in court.
Palin, on the other hand, has gone back to the frozen tundra. Whether she resurfaces in 2012 remains to be seen, but can't we just wait until then to start in on her?
What exactly does this have to do with lying on chat boards. nm
I have visited a lot of chat boards.
But I have to say that of all the venomous and hateful posters, you are the winner. Most of the boards I frequent would have banned you a long long time ago. And that is left and right. It's says something about the administrator and fairness that they allow you to continue to post. I have no problem with differing viewpoints, it's just that you state yours in immature and horrific ways. I never say someone so consumed with hatred. It really must suck to be you.
Who's to judge credibility? Certainly not you or I on a chat board.
Just seems like a lot of negativism about nothing really. But whatever. Not worth worrying about. In 100 years, who will care. You waste way too much energy on here. Get a real hobby. It will improve your outlook!
Honey, happy people don't throw hissy fits on chat boards. Get
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Was bashing her, was bashing his choice of
her. I said she was not the MOST qualified. Did not say she wasn't qualified. I said he picked because she would help with the base. That's actually a compliment.
Rather than attacking, try to understand the content.
Please describe the actual physical threat that you allege was made on this internet chat board.
Thank you.
Is there room for one more............sm
I echo all the sentiments expressed here. I believe that God will put the man in this office that needs to be there. I have been praying for this election for some time and that God's will be done. Regardless whether "my man" wins or not, I pray God's guidance for the man that is in office because I believe he will have a lot of work to do. For the man who does not get in office, he will have a lot of work to do still in the Senate and can be a very effective leader from there.
I am happy to have this forum where we can all come together and "cuss and discuss" things. I know I may have been a bit abrasive to some here, and if I have offended, then I truly apologize. You see, I love to argue......errrr, debate....most any subject and sometimes get a bit carried away, but truly none of my words were meant to be hurtful or insulting, and If they were, again, I apologize. 
All the best to each of you and I hope that, whoever wins the election, your life will be blessed.
Now, back to business................
I'd like to see Ann escorted into a room ....
...of pie-bearing New York City first responders and let her explain herself to them.
You got that right. Just imaging how much room
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BDayes gets at least as much room
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Never has been. Trying to make room
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you should go to the emergency room
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sam, you have no room to call anyone
your posts speak for themselves, and frankly I'm done reading them. Arrogant? No, just tired of talking to a brick wall. You call me arrogant and closed-minded and yet you're the one who doesn't want to concede a single point. You have to have the last word on everything, but we'll see who has the last word when the votes are counted.
So I should stick myself in a room
and never go anywhere because it's everyone's right to display sex drugs and violence everywhere? Where is my right to live in a society that doesn't bombard us day and night with those lifestyles?
We do not have enough room for our own prisoners.
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That's the elephant in the room...
that very few posters on this forum are willing to acknowledge. They would much rather pay to kill people overseas than give a penny to the poor in this country. Pretty sickening, if you ask me!
But he has so much ''wiggle room''
explaining the VAT. He can claim that he is not charging the people a new tax. He is charging the growers, manufacturers, haulers and merchants. (As if magically this is not a cost of doing business to be borne by the consumer.)
I always have to laugh when people yell, ''raise taxes corporations.'' Who do they think ultimately pays that tax? It is the end user of any product. Raise corporate taxes and anyone who purchases goods or services from that company pays a higher price for it. So it is a tax on all citizens/consumers, just indirect and invisible.
You and JTBB might want to get a room.
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You have a lot of room to call someone else a liar...
I saved the conversations, so I know the truth and that is what is important. You have lied so long under so many monikers to so many people you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you.
I did not lie about the bashing thing. I am not bashing you and I never said you email stalked me or threatened me, that was another poster. However, I WAS emailed in nasty, nasty terms when I was silly enough to give someone from this board my email address. It could have been you under still another moniker. I don't know that to be a fact.
Geezzz...talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You lied about being Taiga and Teddy until you slipped up yourself, and I have those conversations saved. I don't know if they are in the archives or not, as many posts were deleted, but I have them...I know you, Taiga/Teddy, in all your chameleon monikers and personalities...and you KNOW I do.
As you said...WHATEVER. lol.
My husband said....Put all the people in a room....sm
that have known Obama for years and years and can vouch for his character and things he has truly done and been influenced by....put them in a room, these people from the last 25 years ago, from his college days until he ran for public office.
Where are these people?
Who are they? Where are they hiding?
It just might be an empty room. That's another scary thing to me.
You might have either have Rev. Wright, Ayers, and a bunch of socialists.....but he dumped them under the bus and says they never influenced him...so really...empty room?
Where are they? Obama doesn't want us to know who they are maybe?
So....No one in the room at all.
I had to leave the room when NP and BF were speaking
I absolutely got sick!
Wow! There are people protesting outside the room.
People were just yelling something about the bailout and somebody yelled "Put the money in the food bank so people can eat."!!!
Sure, but I'd rather be in a small room with a caterpillar!
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Get a room? Something on my nose? Simply
because I was polite to someone, chose to give one of the "nice" ones the benefit of the doubt while finding posts like yours uninformative, childish and a pure waste of keystrokes?
I agree, given the never-ending bitterness and hatefulness you have, it will all come back to bite you in the butt some day. One usually gets back what they give.
No thanks!. Was just checking on the kids room.
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How about A ROOM for JTBB & Marman! sm
Apparently these 2 have more time than anyone else. The few times I even refresh the MQ section, they seem to have a leg up on the whole show. It's all the time!
Honestly, it's just tiresome!
Sho you right. Not enough room in society for evil perverts.
Keep it coming, you make plenty sense. I enjoy your posts so much :):)
Not thinking logically....you have room to talk....
you obviously don't know squat about how the government is run, but I am sure some of your fellow Democrats (try Harry Reid) could explain to you how there is a budget, and there are certain monies that go into each budget and they don't cross over...although I have to agree in spirit, the way the Democrats have raped Social Security and pulled money from it to put into other entitlement programs that fell short...yeah, I am sure the Democrats could get the money from somewhere. And if you do not see the difference in funding our military and funding social programs...talk about a person without sound judgment. I don't know why when you Democrats (or some of you) get backed into a corner you want to start personally attacking people, telling them they are not thinking logically and without sound judgment and run the the favorite Dem backup, the war, the war, the war.
As to the cigarette tax..I am not a smoker, never have been, but it seems erally arrogant to me to single out a certain portion of society to almost double a tax on to pay for this. In what alternate reality is that FAIR?? Many of them are ones who would be users of the SCHIP program. If you are asking THEM to fund their own "free" insurance, should you not be willing to do the same? You sign up to have an extra 3% taken off the top of your gross income to be dedicated to SCHIP. You are behind it 100%. Everyone who signs up to use it signs up to have an additional 3% of their income off the top given to SCHIP. All Democrats who want to expand the program, pledge 3% off the top of your gross income from now until you die. You fund it. Works for me. You won't hear me complain.
Sam leaves us no room for real issues.
It has been nothing but a sam Blitzkrieg on the political board these past few weeks. Sam posts messages with the express intent of wreaking havoc and instigating arguments, as evidenced by her comments such as, "Let the games begin." If sam would be so kind as to step away, we might be able to discuss the issues that are important to all of us in an intelligent and adult manner. I for one will no longer feed the sam troll by by acknowledging any post by her.
Guess he didn't have room for his beloved pie.
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LOVE this shot of him. A man, alone with his pie.
Obama has no room to talk about earmarks....and neither he nor Biden...
have much room to talk about flip flopping. Ahem.
Enter the elephant in the room not beind discussed
Under the Obama administration, reform in trade agreements, incentives to keep jobs stateside and targets plans to make it easier to unionize will be changing that picture. Pubs have lost this grip, no matter how loud they protest, how many GOP alert memos they send or how hard they pretend otherwise. Look for the unions to make a long overdue comeback. Then we shall see just how outdated they are.
Bush said Obama asked to see the room where his girls would sleep -
Bush said it was obvious that Obama was going to be a family man even in office.
hotel room, like the guy said, the Alaska plane is not a famil station wagon. Sounds like fat cat to
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Nobody's bashing you
Just because someone questions you it does not a bash make.
Who was bashing? sm
Someone pointed out, actually THREE someones, that a link was not working and you freaked out. Now, who is overreacting here? I tried to point out, nicely I might add, that the link was not working and you started with the only liberals could see it conversation. At least have the good graces to admit that this whole thing is blown way out of proportion. The link does not work. It just doesn't. If it works for you, I am surprised as all get out, because it just does not work for me. Settle down. Take a chill pill. No one is bashing you for Pete's sake.
What is bashing?
Thank you for your post, however, I do not need you to clarify what is a bashing post and what is not. Calling someone ignorant is not needed, debating is. I have participated in many debates both in college and within the internet and honestly debating can be done without disparaging another. Calling someone ignorant is a bash. However, you see the world one way, others see it another. Is not that reason enough to keep all posts and debates as kind as can be?
no bashing here, you are so right!
McCain is the man to lead right now. Palin is a great woman too. Obama is a good guy in many respects, but not to lead this country. He does NOT have the judgment, the depth of character or the right morality IMO. He is really a politician at heart, and its not a 'new kind of politics'... i think the senate is the best place for him.
Not bashing at all....I just wonder, though....sm
how many of you Obama supporters will even bother to admit if and when Obama does not live up to your expectations.
I noticed how no one on this board today, could even be bothered about the one issue I raised in my post, of Obama's lack of discretion, and outright disdain for our current president, by leaking their private conversation, and then lying about it. And then coming out and admitting he lied about it (or rather, his campaign supposedly said all these things and leaked them, etc...but he was the one in the oval office, not his campaign, and thus it came from him....).
Not a word from you on that subject.
No bashing here, BWT........ sm
I agree with you on all points. But the point I was making is now is the time to buy cheap and hope for an increase on your money in the future....and it will be WAY in the future.
We're all in the same boat sinking at the same time, and you're right, there is nothing Obama can do about it. Greed has gotten us to where we are, and not just the greed of the filthy rich either. I think we have about run our course here in America and the next years are going to be hard ones. I'll share my refrigerator box with ya!
Why the Bush Bashing?
Your post is nothing more than that. Grow up, get a life that is filled with something other than hate.
why the bush bashing?
Spoken like a true conservative republican..if someone does not agree with you or live like you or vote like you or have the same beliefs or morals like you, you attack them personally, without any basis in fact for the attack. Get a life? Grow up? Things that have been posted here about Bush are the truth..PERIOD..yet, you turn around and attack personally, not knowing anything about the posters. I am grown up and do have a life, full of wonderful things and also full of politics and I will post and shout out and write editorials to the newspapers on this corrupt murderous administration any time I feel like it. Thank you very much. Now, why dont you go back to the Conservative Bush sheep section.
bashing bush
I do not see the media bashing Bush, honestly I still wonder why so Americans voted for him - so confusing our Country has never been in the Pearls it is in today, our poor troops!!!!!!
It is not dissent, it is bashing..
The whole gist of your post is bashing. When I complain about bashing of liberals on the liberal board, you reply by bashing even more....and not just bashing me, but all liberals. Why does it bring you so much pleasure to hate so many?
I don't really want an answer, I'll not read any more of your posts, or AG's crowing about you and her slamming the liberals on the liberal board. They are garbage.
Geez. No one is bashing you....
You post under both monikers and denied it for a long time, then finally admitted it. Not bashing, just the truth. And when I started posting as observer on the conservative board and liberal board when both existed, no one else was using that moniker and did not, and I did not know you had used it (yet ANOTHER one) before I started using it. No one said anything to me when I started using it, including YOU, until the issue was raised about Teddy/Taiga. So, you are the architect of fiction, not me. And as to portraying the truth...I suppose one must be able to recognize it. No synopsis to it, Teddy/Taiga. The truth, and no need to check the archives. You know and I know the truth, and anyone who has been posting and following this knows the truth too. What I don't understand is why you are making such a big deal about it. You posted using two monikers, denied you were doing so when confronted, and finally copped to it. It was not a big deal then and is not a big deal now.
Obama bashing
I agree about the measure of success. It's relative. A 4 or 5 point bump isn't exactly chicken-feed when you are already in the lead, but the success of his trip is not about the polls. They will bump and slump a hundred times between now and November for both candidates and because they are skewed, construed and misconstrued, they are not that meaningful one way or the other, especially since we still have not even made it to the conventions. What Obama succeeded in as a byproduct of his accepting McCain's challenge is that he did not exactly come across as some inexperienced rookie as McCain had hoped he would. Instead, he was well received among world leaders who were obviously quite comfortable around him, some of whom expressed their open support and acceptance. He came out of this trip with an impressive stash of diplomatic capital, something that McCain has yet to even recognize as being desirable or advantageous.
It is impossible to measure the numbers of people who were or were not "impressed" by his world citizen identity, but it is possible to be one and be a patriotic American at the same time. It's not a right or wrong, either/or thing. It is phrase that reflects an approach or attitude toward world view and is more accurately defined as a philosophy behind foreign policy that does not in any way diminish love of country. For those who promote diplomacy as an effective and viable alternative to war, it is well understood. For those who don't, it is just more fodder for personal attack and is often misrepresented as a lack of allegiance. This accusation is ludicrous and insulting. Many believe that the desire to avoid and/or prevent war is the ultimate expression of love for country and it is those people who he represents well.
This "hoohah" statement makes no sense. For the sake of clarity, diplomacy is a 4-letter word for those who subscribe to the belief that diplomatic world citizens are un-American. The Berlin speech sure didn't look so "little," with 200,000 in attendance. When did McCain ever spark such interest and excitement? It does not matter where the speeches are made. It is the message that counts. The time is now for a US president who inspires admiration and unity, rather than division, hatred and terror.
The surge is part of a war that did not work, is not working and will never work. Wasn't it just yesterday and the day before that Bush and McCain said something to the effect that the invasion of a sovereign country was inappropriate for the 21st century? Hypocrites. The horrors of war are the horrors of war, no matter who wages them in no matter what country. The surge is not a black and white issue. It is honest NOT to express support for something he does not believe. Personal attacks like this are not issues, they are tactics that lower the bar on the issues dialogue. The dynamics between Obama and the Reverend run much deeper than political expediency and these cheap shots are not exactly honest either. Long-term, meaningful relationships between people who hold diametrically opposed ideals are nothing new. They happen in families all the time. Michelle and Obama were not in South Chicago as part of some clandestine black militant conspiracy. They were doing neighborhood outreach that paralleled many of Trinity church's programs. To dismiss this subject with even that one statement does not do this subject nearly the justice it deserves.
Here's that information void again. Fox and CNN played a sound byte out of context over and over and over and over. A fifth grader could recognize this as propaganda. This does not constitute "so much information," and in fact, is no information at all. To understand his relationship with Rev Wright and that church requires an open mind, knowledge of black history and of Obama's background and biography, a willingness to step out of a comfort zone long enough to face some harsh realities about race in America and most importantly, a desire to understand. Anyone who parrots the trash that Fox and CNN put out on this subject obviously does not possess those traits and will simply have to be left to fester in their own hatred. These statements are made with a very straight face.
The name calling also is not worth addressing. However, there are plenty of white folks and blacks alike who are not black liberationists who can plainly see that it is time to reign in the corruption of the corporations and all their "special" interests, with the "R" word (regulation). How exactly did Ken Lay and his ilk earn those obscene salaries and perks at the cost of those whose hard work stuffed huge profits into their pockets, and just how many lives did they destroy in the process? In a country of such vast wealth, the plight of the homeless, the depths of the poverty, the existence of hunger, the shrinking middle class, the job flight for the sake of endless corporate greed, the foreclosure rates and the health care crisis (just to name a few) are a national disgrace. What some call Marxism/socialism, others think of as simple, basic humanity. It is time for that one fundamental American value to be restored for all our sakes, once and for all.
I wasn't bashing you
I read your post above where you were claiming everyone was bashing you and you were innocent and just defending yourself. I just want you to know I read my post again and I was not bashing you in case you included me in the group of all the people bashing you.
However, here you are calling me a liar. You also are claiming I am not a religious person, and I'll quote you... "You obviously are not a religious person, but that does not mean you are not a moral person, does it?" First telling me I'm a liar and I'm not a religious person, while you may not call that bashing, I call it disrespectful. You don't know me or my religious background and I take offense to someone who makes judgement about me without knowing me.
You also do not know my viewpoints on abortion but are assuming I'm for it. I find abortion dispicable and vile and I posted that awhile back when you first posted about abortion. So don't assume anything.
And how hard is it to not read posts on abortion? Very hard when it seems to come up every day or two. And when its all in capital letters???
It's time to stop playing the victim saying everyone is picking on you and your tired of being attacked when your the one doing the attacking on others for not believing the way you do and not wanted to discuss abortion every day. I see a lot of people are tired of the subject but your answer is "If that chaps you, so be it".
I really do hope other political issues will be on this board so we can put the abortion subject behind us. Enough has been said about it and it's getting old.
skip the bashing for a second, sim
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