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Taking 700B to give to executives bonuses.NM

Posted By: I WANT PAULSON FIRED NOW! on 2008-11-13
In Reply to: Want Some Government Money? - Apply Now!

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Bank executives will be getting bonuses
and we are fighting over crumbs and religion.
AIG Employees Starting to Give Back Bonuses

 


WASHINGTON -- The chief executive officer of failed insurance conglomerate AIG told lawmakers Wednesday that he has asked executives to give back at least half of their bonuses.


Edward Libby, chairman and CEO of the American International Group, said that some workers there already have volunteered to return the money.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/aig-chairman-faces-congressional-grilling-bonuses/


That 700B bailout wasn't meant....(sm)
for CEO bonuses either, but they didn't stop that...LOL
The execs who took the big bonuses...
and cooked the books were democrats...(Raines and Gorelick). Can't blame this one on the Bush administration. Fannie/Freddie is the Dem's Enron. The "reform" bill that the Dems wrote and passed this year was the nail in the coffin of Fannie/Freddie. The Bush admin not responsible for that either. What the Bush Admin is responsible for is putting it under Fed control before it completely crashed and burned. I don't like having to pay for those cooked books bonuses; however...to preserve the nation's economy since over half the housing market is in Fannie/Freddie (another thing pushed along by the so-called "reform").

Tammy Bruce and her "ilk." At least she is an honest feminist and gives credit where credit is due. Hard line party first never mind if it is good for America feminists...yes, we are for promotion of women, but only if they stand directly on OUR platform and espouse only OUR views. Democracy? Not hardly. lol.
Financial bonuses

Two days ago on C-Span they seemed to congratulate the bigwigs of the financial companies who got BILLIONS in BONUSES. They ran down the list of those that were being questioned and how much they received. It's absolutely sickening. I had to turn it off.


Trying to stop CEO bonuses

The White House on Friday threw its support behind a plan to speed release of $25 billion in existing loans to the Big Three automakers but rejected a Democratic proposal to use money from a financial bailout to help the troubled industry.


The $700 billion financial rescue package was never intended to help automakers and shouldn't be now, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told The Associated Press. But since Democratic leaders in Congress are pressing forward with a proposal to carve out a piece of its for the auto industry, she said the White House has decided to pursue a different approach: accelerating the availability of federal loans Congress first approved in September.


Those loans were approved to help automakers build more fuel-efficient vehicles and become more competitive companies in the global marketplace. The administration now supports allowing the loans to be released more quickly than the original legislation prescribed and to be used for more urgent purposes as the companies struggle to stay afloat.


"Democrats are choosing a path that would only lead to partisan gridlock," she said. "We are now actively calling on Congress to amend the loan program."


yes, it's one of the bonuses of working for the Q -nm
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Know what makes me mad about the AIG bonuses?

My boyfriend is drawing Workmans Compensation.  They are wanting to settle his case.  The "negotiation" amounts were at about $130,000 settlement last fall when he found out he had to have another surgery and they put him on hold.  Now, they are negotiating again, but can only $75,000 because the company does not have funds to pay anymore.  Guess who the company is -


You guessed it ---- AIG!!!!


Obama recalling bonuses from AIG
Thank you!!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29714402/


From what I read, he's not recalling the bonuses

but trying to get that money back which might be impossible. For the first time in my life, I agreed with Barney!!!


Gee, wonder if Barney is going to receive some of that payout and just trying to throw everyone off the track.  After all, he, Pelosi, and Reid were the ones who put this stupid bailout together, and without thinking about it, either. Real smart on their part.


Good for Gov. Cuomo. Hope he finds something. All this crap has to stop.


Wall street bonuses expected

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/finance/wall-street-bonuses-expects-come-season-despite-bailout/


Paying bonuses this year is likely to result in a lot of backlash from the average American. After all, even with bonuses down dramatically, they are still higher than the average American, who is losing his or her home, makes. Not to mention the government bailout of financial firms, which seems to change daily, is coming from taxpayer dollars. Concerns abound—rightly or wrongly--that some of the $700 billion bailout could go to pay bonuses this year.


He has no legal recourse to "recall" bonuses.
Unfortunately, because these are private companies, they have contracts with the CEOs and they are absolutely within their rights to honor those contracts. However, if Obama can find a loophole to keep them from getting paid, then we'll see what happens then.

This is why the government shoulder NEVER get involved in private businesses. Once they start handing on money, they think they own private businesses and dictate everything to them, so now we are caught in a catch 22 so to speak; government has no business in private businesses but yet they have given private businesses OUR money with NO stipulations beforehand and are now "surprised" the bonsues will continue?! Pleeeze!!!


Kind of like the mega-rich CEOs that see nothing wrong in billions in bonuses...sm
while the company disintegrates, faithful workers pensions and futures are taken away, and they basically rape the company for all it is worth, to he!! with the workers who made the company prosperous! In my mind, it is the same mindset---ENTITLEMENT. Get as much as you can as fast as you can and screw everyone else! FDR DID devise welfare as a safety net so families would not starve to death in desperate economic times, it was never meant to be a career or a way of life, we as a country have looked the other way, as with the illegal alien problem, far too long and must make sure our legislators DO something about it OR GET OUT!
I'm taking this to the top.
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So you are taking up for the thugs
who are keeping the rescuers from help.  You are mentally deranged....very mentally deranged.
doing taking tempature???
I get it now. You figure if you spout enough of your illiteracy on the Liberal board, you will dumb us down to your level.
Taking a survey...
Anyone have any thoughts on Romney being Mormon, will it hurt, help, doesn't matter....Did he convert to Mormonism; I don't remember his father being a Mormon.
Taking this response
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I'm taking this to the top to enlist
nm
THis is not about taking anything away from kids...they
still have access to birth control...health departments, planned parenthood, clinics, any number of places. It is common knowledge. You hear about it on television on a daily basis, and television, movies, and the internet are where most kids get their information. And frankly, listen to it much more closely than to their parents. Throwing more federal money into any kind of sex ed and/or abstinence programs to me is a waste of money. That was the original question, did I think federal funds should be used for sex ed and abstinence programs.

No, in this culture we live in today, to remove contraception would be idiotic. Sex has been reduced to "expression," having one partner for life has disappeared, multiple partners are fine, yada yada...in that kind of culture to remove birth control would be nuts. Think what the abortion rate would be if that was done...good grief.

By education and programs that doesn't mean dispensing actual birth control. At many schools kids can get condoms. Nearly every health department in the country will dispense birth control and any planned parenthood place will, and that is not going to change.

If you want to reach kids, put those programs on the internet or introduce that kind of information to the shows the kids watch all the time. If you want the information to get to them, that is where it should be covered.
Thank you for taking the time to lay it all out
They will immediately go to Palin flaming because that's all they have. They can never refute any proof made on this board because they can't find any to refute with. Instead, they keep going round and round with the only thing they can remember from TV, Palin this, Palin that.

You don't see the republicans putting down Biden because they are decent people, unlike the dems on this board who refuse to see. AND, the dems on this board know that Biden LOVES McCain and they know in their hearts Biden can't stand Obama; he already said so.
God isn't the problem....taking God out of our
=
fabulous? When he is taking away a better one?
Letting Bush's tax cuts expire? Have you done the math?
profit taking
The rules have not changed yet and the hedge funds are still running loose, betting ups, betting downs. Everything they were doing to get us into this mess is still going on and still legal. Leverage is still high.
Taking money out
is actually a good idea, since there has been talk of bank runs under the current situation THAT IS NOW HAPPENING UNDER GEORGE W. BUSH.
For me, taking time every now and then
to look back and reflect on what we come from, where we're at, how far we've come and how far we have yet to go is a good thing. An Abe-Lincoln themed inauguration seems to be as appropriate of an occasion as any. I cannot pretend to understand how it feels to have the pain of slave ancestors' stories dragged up and thrust in my face, but I can speak to pain of a different sort.

The sight of hordes of GWTW southern belles all bedecked en masse in pools of pastel puke conjures up the shame I inherited from my own white ancestors. As a child, I felt plenty of it growing up in a southern metropolis in the 50s where cotton was still king and the vestiges of plantation life were still palpable and, at times, visceral. As a child, I lived in a wealthy community where some household "help" still stayed in "servants' quarters" behind the main residence (gag me). These were the days of segregation and separate but unequal when and the "N" word was still socially acceptable.

Enter MLK and the revolution of the 60s and 70s that turned our country up-side-down, thank you Jesus. The progress has been slow but steady since then, but the fact that I can still feel the stinging shame of where I came from and that you can still feel such outrage over a historical parade lets us both know that we have not yet reached the Promised Land.

When I watch the Azalea Trail Maids next Tuesday, they will not be marching toward me. They do not have the power to bring back the past and slap me in the face with it. Every step they take will be one step further away, back into a time we best not forget anytime soon, and I will be reminding myself that they are indeed GONE WITH THE WIND.

PS. I too am hoping for brisk winds that whip right past those pretty pastel pantaloons and chill them straight to the bone.
I appreciate you taking time out....(sm)

to respond to my post in such a reasonable and adult manner.  Keep up the good work!  You must be so proud.


Government is taking over
everything and they aren't even smart enough to run the government let alone every business in the US.  I just cannot believe you Obamabotics find this okay.  This is total government control going on here!!!!  This is scary crap!
Thank you for taking the time
I appreciate your reasonable and well-composed argument. I do see how recent actions by this administration could be construed as a power grab, but what actions do think they should have taken instead?

Regarding the private sector argument, if a company accepts federal funding to bail them out of a financial crisis, are they still truly a private company, at least until the money is paid back? I do not agree with all the actions of this administration with respect to the financial crisis, but I do think they had to demonstrate that there are strings attached to receiving taxpayer money. (I may not agree with how they choose to about demonstrating that, however.)
So you are taking the word of
a guy who others consider a little off, Jolie's father? Not a good selection. Can you do better?
You said you had no problem taking on the Taliban...
there is no evidence THEY had anything to do with 9-11 either. Iraq had as much to do with 9-11 as the Taliban did. Both countries had Al Qaeda training camps. Both harbored Al Qaeda operatives. Saddam Hussein funded all kinds of terror operations, including bounties to families of suicide bombers. It was proven that a member of the Sadam Feyadeen met with Mohammed Atta prior to 9-11. Of course, they could have been discussing the weather. Saddam harbored the man who pushed Leon Klinghoffer and his wheelchair off the Achille Lauro...he harbored Al Zarqawi. What more do you need? Him on one of the planes? Your arguments make no sense. Basically, bottom line...you do not care if your protests hurt the effort in Iraq and thereby the soldiers fighting there..and as to soldiers dying for something they did not believe in...the vast majority are not of that mind. If you watched anything but CNN and listened to anything but liberal spin you would see the interview after interview after interview where soldiers do affirm their mission and affirm their disappointment in lack of support of some Americans.

As to Cindy Sheehan's son...other members of her family, her husband included...have said numerous times on the record that Casey Sheehan believed in the effort, and would be appalled at what his mother was doing. We do not make those things up...just because the liberal press does not report it does not mean it does not happen...oh...but I guess in YOUR world, that is true. Because you just pooh-pooh it and say that means nothing to me. Why is it that liberals are so arrogant? Why is it ALL about you? I have tried and tried to wrap my mind around that and just can't. I cannot understand what it is that makes someone disregard the lives and the mission of our military in harm's way just so they can hold a sign and call attention to THEMselves. There is nothing noble about that. The noble ones are the ones in Iraq. How profoundly sad that you cannot see that...in one breath okay to fight the Taliban, in the other just throw Iraq and our boys and girls there to the dogs. How twisted is that...sigh. So...go on about your protesting. Only call a spade a spade. It is about YOU...and making yourself feel good. It is not, nor has it ever been, for anyone else.
Thanks for taking up for me Brunson, the problem is SM
I didn't post any of these posts.  Someone is playing a stupid joke and not a very funny one.  However, since Lurker seems content to know me so well, I am not sure who got the real butt of the joke ;)
taking things out of context
I agree that it's not fair to take Michelle Obama's statements out of context, but then you turn around and take Cindy McCain's problem out of context. I say leave both wives alone. I know what Cindy did was illegal, so it's kind of apples and oranges, but she's worked through her recovery and worked it out with the law, so I don't think she needs to be beat over the head with it the rest of her life.
I'm taking my response to a new thread
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Not interested in taking this off task.
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He wan't taking care of a 4-mo old Down infant
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All the while, his supporters taking notes
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Why do you "whiners" think that taking money from
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oh, REALLY? So snipers or bombs taking out
In many ways, Christianity is even worse than Islam. And it's disgusting to see the US has been so thoroughly infested with it.
Taking a rest today.
Yes, you go ahead. Take a rest. Freedom of speech.
Taking from Peter to pay Paul.....

Well, h@ll........I suppose with this glorious reform package of Obama's, I should just go sit under a bridge, kiss my hard working years goodbye.  Obama will kill this society.  My husband has also worked his butt off since he was 12 years old and he definitely does not owe anyone his money.  They can get off their butts and shovel dirt, dig ditches, work in a powder factory, haul hay, move furniture, dig sewages, whatever.  WORK FOR A CHANGE!  Live within their means.   My husband did it.  They wanna go to college, do like us, work your butt off and pay for your college education.  Quit whining!!! 


Even those families at the low end of the income bracket will be paying dearly in taxes, more than now, and they actually think they will be getting a break.  Tax credits are NOT tax cuts. 


Socialists are whining, sniveling, moaning, groaning....


You wanna see free money given to people who DO NOT pay taxes?  If you don't contribute, don't expect anything else.  


GP was taking issue with the stereotype
characterize all poor people as freeloaders in the linked post. In the current post, she is addressing an entirely different subject...corporate welfare.
I thank you for taking the time to try to explain

Difference in opinion is what makes horse races.  I respect your opinion that the b/c is not authentic, I ask that you respect my opinion that it is.


Irregardless, I think the mayhem that would result in Obama not being inaugurated far outweighs his becoming president even IF his b/c should prove to be inaccurate.  After all, we have the Congress to keep things in check although there is little comfort for me in THAT.  I doubt the electoral college would dare defy the will of the people either and I would imagine all of them are a bucket full of crooks the same as all congress and other politicians.


I fear that Bush will find a reason to declare martial law and I will continue to fear that until he is OUT OF THERE.  Would we really want to see that happen?  Can you possibly imagine the bedlam at this 11th hour if we woke up and had no president elect?  Please, I ask all of you who are trying to  make this happen to stop and think what would be the result if you "win." 


I did not want to see either Obama or McCain elected nor did I want to see Hillary elected or any of the other candidates.  It's a fine kettle of fish we find ourselves in in any event.


And as a final note, I have no confidence in our crooky Supreme Court either.  Look how THEY got in their positions.


Are you taking about Stevens in Alaska?

Their thought is if he's voted in and goes to prison, they'll be able to hold a special election and put someone else in or something like that.


I thought it was ridiculous.


Thank you for taking the time to post this!! :-)
awesome post
I've been taking the package apart.

I see no jobs for this area.


In fact, 2 years ago, they turned a whole mountain into windmills. Who has those jobs? The company that put them there. Their guys come from another state to maintain and repair them. No locals are employed by that company. Doesn't make sense but that's the way they do it.


 


So you think government officials taking a pay
solve the issue of $2 trillion dollars worth of toxic paper held by the our financial institutions and stop the hemorrhaging of 650,000 job losses per month? Will that really restart the flow of credit to businesses and put people back to work? Will government officials taking a pay cut restore the million and billion dollar budget deficits faced by the states?
I just finished taking a tax class --
The instructor never lets anything be an open book test in our other classes, but the tax class is because it is some complex and confusing that even doing just the basics you cannot get it all in your head.

It is CRAZY!!!
Obama is taking our money... you would be
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Thanks for taking the time to post
Sorry, forgot to add that. Have a good afternoon.
taking back our country
So, most of us agree that Obama should not be in office for another term. As well, most of want our country back. How do we, as Americans, do this? Contacting our representatives or senators is not the answer, since they are "in bed" with each other. There must be a way.