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Thanks for posting, Observer

Posted By: Zauber on 2005-09-03
In Reply to: Additional comment on this. - Observer

Also to those donating money, please be aware that the FEMA site list of receiving agencies includes mostly faith-based groups after the Red Cross, which is not necessarily a bad thing at all, except the Operation Blessings charity which is Pat Robertson's group. He must need another diamond mine in South Africa. You might want to skip that one.


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Observer

Shame on you for touting your song.  Why be proud to be a racist?  I grew up in a semi-southern town where they had one of the last lynchings of multiple black males in the U.S.  There was a PBS special done on this town if you have any interest.  It makes me sickened and ashamed, now proud.

I could cite the legion problems still present in today's south - poor counties/states in the US, worst school performance, corruption, civil rights issues.....but I won't.

Below is exactly why the south NEEDS a greater range of folks with differing philosophies/political persuasion.  This is an excerpt by a musical analyst:


The lines in "Sweet Home Alabama" are a direct response to Young's anti-racist, anti-cross burning "Southern Man" and "Alabama" songs. Lynyrd Skynyrd's comeback was intended to mean, essentially, "Thank you for your opinion Neil, now leave us alone."

It is this perceived "attitude" which has led to Lynyrd Skynyrd earning a reputation as a "racist" band. Not withstanding the fact that the band often performed with a Confederate flag as a backdrop

Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home Alabama" meaning is often interpreted as being "racist" because of the the lyrics reference "In Birmingham [where a black church was bombed killing 4 young girls] they love the governor [George Wallace]" who was a segrationist.

Furthermore, Lynyrd Skynyrd sang "Now Watergate does not bother me". Sadly, it would seem not only were Lynard Skynard untroubled by racism but were not terribly concerned by corruption at the highest levels of the U.S. government.


Thank you Dr. Observer. sm
However, I have to believe your personal party affilitation is having way too much sway on your "diagnosis."   There is plenty of dysfunction on here.  I don't particularly like being called a liar.  I defend myself and my country and a president I happen to admire.  That irritates you into a frenzy and you take the logical calm approach to insult me with your lame diagnosis!  If you don't like my posts, DON'T READ THEM. How hard is that?  I ask you.
Hey observer
do 20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage? Would you explain why God would take the life if life begins in utero?
Observer...sm
I suggest you don't put your faith in politics. I know that NOTHING will happen to me or my family for generations to come unless it is the will of the Lord. Forgive my optimism, but I will not have you sign my death certificate prematurily. If we are so weak that we fear going out in crowds, then we need to concentrate our efforts on securing our own country more so than Iraq.

Politically, I have NEVER agreed with invading Iraq, ever. I believed the head insepctor when he said there were no WMDs. I didn't see then and I don't see now how that was a logical response to 9-11. Go back and check it, Congress did not vote for going into Iraq specifically, but they did give Bush autonomy to make that decision should it become a necessary option. Bad decision. I disagree with Kerry, Hillary and all the other democrats who cosigned on that, but everyone's adrenalin was pumping after 9-11 and who wanted to look *soft on terror.* I think averting attention from bin Laden to Sadaam was the biggest spin of the century.

So now we're in Iraq, and the only news we get back from over there are death counts, bombings, etc. What is the progress? Seriously, what is the progress? Are we winning the minds and hearts of the Iraqis like we won the mind and heart of bin Laden when we helped him in Afghanistan? I have said before in order to win the war in Iraq we need to go in strong and hit them with all we got. I would not like it, but I would support that. I think that is the only way our soldiers can walk out of that country with the mission accomplished. More innocents will die, more US soldiers will die, but that is the only way to WIN. If we are not in it to win, then we should come home. What we are doing now is policing and I don't agree with that. The US taxpayers are not responsible for Iraqi citizens' safety. Tell that to people who are terrorized by criminals in their own homes right here in the US daily.

If we leave Iraq it will be a defeat for the US, but the battle was not ours to begin with. It is not easy, but we have a choice to make. I want to believe that most or ALL Iraqis will stand up and hold the US flag high and thank us for our sacrifice one day, but I don't believe in fairy tales. We should be careful, because we could be training the next group of 9-11 attackers.
Observer...
you have articulated excellently a lot of my concerns about a Democratic administration. One of my greatest frustrations with the war is that so many do not seem to understand that, in many ways, to this enemy (radical Islamist terrorists), appearance is everything.

In many ways they seem to me to be like Klingons - emboldened by and contemptuous of any show of weakness, even if it would seem superficially to be to their advantage.

If we are to succeed against this enemy, it seems to me that we must embrace two characteristics which have become somewhat foreign to the political process - strength and honor. We must be willing to do what we say we will do (i.e., stay in Iraq until they establish a stable government, as we promised them we would do) and enforce our own demands through whatever force is necessary. To do otherwise merely encourages the Jihadists to ongoing violence.

Unfortunately, I doubt in this era that any administration will have the fortitude for such action, particularly in the face of unrelenting media coverage of every setback. Like you, I have certainly seen nothing from any Democratic spokesperson save possibly Joe Lieberman to indicate to me any level of understanding of the enemy we face or the gravity of the consequences of failure.
It's all about them, Observer.
It has always been all about them.  The leftists are starting to write articles now and make public appearances, admitting that they don't care about the troops at all.  They don't even have much invested in peace. They want radical change by radical means and they do not care who gets hurt in the process.  In the civil rights days, protest really did effect needed change.  But it hasn't since then and is a tool of the left to get what they want.  Imagine, Jane Fonda protesting at The Wall.  How much more of a slap in the face to our veterans can you get.  I am dumbfounded at this insult to our veterans.  I know many of them will be there to protest HER being there and I wish I were one of them.
You are right, Observer. sm
These people are not what they seem.  See link below for the real story. 
Oh please, Observer.

You seem to be putting words in my mouth.  I never said I supported partial-birth abortions.  I definitely do not and never have.  I'm talking about abortions that occur before 3 months gestational age.  Do you really think that fetus can register pain at that point?  Just because YOUR religion tells you that babies have a soul before they're born does not make it so - it's just a theory from your religion's mythology.  It just drives me nuts when people act like their religion has the only correct answers and try to get others to believe it as well.


I think it is well known that many children are suffering in the US, and you are asking to put thousands (millions?) more kids into an already strained system.  You must remember all of our discussions about the SCHIP program. Although many Republicans supported the bill, what the bill was ultimately missing was support from Republicans - the party that is almost exclusively pro-life yet didn't seem to mind children from lower-middle income families suffering without healthcare.  Pretty hypocritical if you ask me. (And yes, I know you think the bill was flawed, blah, blah, blah, but the fact remains kids are going without healthcare due to that decision).


You want state-to-state decisions made, so what happens to the women whose state doesn't allow abortion?  What if she cannot afford to travel to a state where it is legal?  You ask why her life is more important?  What if she is a mother?  What if she dies and leaves her other chidren motherless? Her family and friends would be devastated, whereas a fetus in the womb does not have these connections with others yet, and I still maintain that a fetus that young is not even capable of feeling pain.  You have your opinion and your religious agenda, and that's your choice, but I don't think it is a smart choice to make abortions illegal, even in some states, as I truly believe women will have abortions regardless of legality.


Okay Observer...

it's Sunday, and I have a ton of work to do so I will try to make this brief.  First of all, I do not hate you - I just don't like to be told the same things over and over again about your beliefs when I already know where you stand on pretty much every issue that is brought up.  Some people may not have heard your views yet, and as I said, you certainly have the right to state them again and again, but that doesn't mean I don't have a right to be annoyed by them.


As for hating George W. Bush.  I don't recall ever stating that, but I do think he is the most horrible president in the history of America and that he is destroying our nation and running us into an enormous deficit.  I personally do not like to argue with people who defend Bush simply because if nothing that has gone on over the last 7 years has convinced them that Bush is a horrible president, then obviously nothing I can say will either.


I also don't despise Christians.  I just get sick of many religions starting wars in the name of God and hating others (gays, children out of wedlock, etc.) because the bible tells them these things are against God so therefore many religious people think this hate is justified.  I know not all religious people are that hateful, and I actually have numerous friends who attend church regularly.  I just think it's kind of silly to say we have to live by what the bible says when it was written sooooo long ago and so much has changed.  It has also been interpreted so many times that who knows how much of the original content is even there or how it's been maneuvered.  I do think the bible has some great stories and inspirational quotes - I just get annoyed when people are always like "bible says!" like they can't possibly be wrong because the "bible says."  I actually believe in God and say prayers every night and teach my children about God too.  Church just isn't for me.  I live in the most beautiful state in America - I don't need to go sit in a church to get close to God!  Church has helped some of my friends who have lost loved ones, and for them it is a great thing.  So no, I don't hate Christians, but I am very sick of people killing others all over the world in the name of God - it's obviously the exact opposite of what God would want, and I will never understand their logic.  Wouldn't God just be happy they are worshipping him in their own way?


Hey Observer.....

Hey observer didn't you steal someone else's moniker also?


Didn't say you did...it was Observer
who asked me. It went like this (I think) I asked if you and AG did anything besides rant on about the left. Did you have **legs** that  led you to do anything constructive with or for the stay the course people. Observer answered and said a bunch of stuff and then at the end, she said, what do you do??? where are your legs and mouth, so I answered her. That is how it went.
Just an Observation, Observer.....

Approximately 65% of the posts on this board are made by you.  I have read some of your posts, and in one of them you state that you come here, as a conservative, mainly to read and learn.  Are you certain that this is, in fact, your main purpose for coming here? It would seem from the sheer number of your posts, well over 50% of them being made by you here, that your purpose is not to read and learn, but rather to dominate and monopolize. Just an observation....


Please do not respond observer
Please do not respond to my posts *Observer*.  This is the liberal board and my posts are to my fellow democrat/liberals not to a ring winger.  I have nothing in common with you or right wingers, in fact, I cannot stomach right wingers, their ideas, what they have done to this country under their president.  Do youself a favor, go back to the conservative board or just skip over my posts and dont even read them.
On the contrary, Observer...
I am using my right of free speech to encourage others to disregard what I believe to be a forum that you created for your own personal agenda. This is not the forum for debate between conservative and liberal points of view. This posting site is not titled "political debate". Nor is it supposed to provide fodder for you to chew on.

I will speak for most of us in that we do not have a lot of time in the day to try to strike up a conversation amongst ourselves under the liberal forum, and when we to get time to log on, we don't want to have to sift through it, and we shouldn't have to.

If political debate is your preferred forum, perhaps you should email admin to add another posting site to accommodate it?

If you can accomplish this, I would gladly log on and argue point to point with you, but until then I would appreciate it if you stayed on the conservative posting.
Oh, Observer. I wondered where you'd been. sm
By the way, 'sm' means 'see message' (as opposed to 'nm' meaning 'no message'). Doesn't mean 'small message' as far as I know.

I agree with that last paragraph that kitty wrote. And I don't know where you're getting your statistics either, because poll after poll has shown that the vast majority of Americans are in favor of abortion remaining legal during the 1st trimester. Less (but still a majority) are in favor of abortion remaining legal up to the 2nd trimester, but not after that.

What I get from your posts is that when someone mentions 'abortion' you picture a healthy, full-term infant of 9 months' gestation, angelic and cooing happily in its crib, being viciously 'murdered.' Obviously, that is not what takes place when the pregnancy is under 3 months.

Me, I picture a cluster of cells that may or may not have gone on to become a person. After all, it's been estimated that 50% of all human conceptions end in spontaneous abortion ('miscarriage'), usually w/o a woman even knowing she was pregnant. And in fact, 20% of all recognized pregnancies end in miscarriages. That is just human biology. Are you weeping and wailing for all those 'children'?

I don't believe there is any suffering of the embryo in that case, or in a 1st (or even 2nd) trimester abortion, but there is *plenty* of suffering of the unwanted children that are already here on this Earth and being abused and neglected.

Make safe, medical abortions illegal, and that suffering will grow exponentially with more unwanted children, as well as more women who will die or be injured during an illegal, unsafe abortion - because abortions will still take place.

IMO, on both 'sides' of the issue, we should all be working towards reducing the number of unplanned pregnancies in the first place by demanding better education, better birth control methods, and better access and affordability to birth control.

Not a Palin observer as you obviously are
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From an objective observer.
nothing further to add to te nothingness of this post
Observer, did you say WONKY?? TeeHee

WE KNOW Observer. You have made your stance
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Are Observer and Americangirl the same person?
You guys seem to have exactly the same extremely conservative viewpoint on just about everything, so I'm just wondering.
Observer, please ignore my posts
Observer, please do not respond to my posts as you are not going to get any answers to your questions from me. I do not read your posts.  They are con propaganda.  My posts are for fellow democrats.  You are wasting you time and energy reading and responding to my posts.
curious - if Observer is not liberal, why always here?

...speaking for myself, as an observer of your style...s/m
of supposed "debate" -- I can see why some people would prefer to avoid you.

It really adds nothing when you insult other posters like this. Why can't you accept an opinion, when everyone here who knows politics, is very aware of things that have happened over the past few months? Just because someone doesn't feel like typing out what has been discussed and debated here for the last few months does not make them less intellectual than you.

I rather admire them for refusing to be baited by your antagonistic style of posting.


Being an objective observer, the repugnants appear to be the most evil.
Defend the republican party all you want with your self-righteousness, but in the end the republican party will always be a party that represents big business and the rich.

You religious right wingers, rednecks who were undereducated and/or raised by a long line of redneckers will never get it so I won't even address you as your perception of reality is hopelessly distorted.

However, I will say that, anyone who makes under 250 grand a year and who votes for the republican tick is a fool.

This next presidential term will all be about taxes now that Georgie has sold out the country to foreign lands to pay for his war and cover his tax cuts to the wealthy, and someone's taxes are going to be raised and if you vote republican and earn less than 250 grand, it will be YOURS.

Funding under republicans will also be cut to social services and that means more crime, and if your town is like mine, police and fire departments are laying off due to budget cuts - hey, what an oxymoron, cutting police forces while fighting terrorism.

Republicans are not for the people whatever you say. They pander to the religious right and those high school drop out rednecks for the votes. Abortion is and always will happen as it has since the beginning of time and I don't think you will ever stop it from happening. You can try to romanticize reproduction all you want but in this world, as we watch babies starving, dying from curable disease and, even raped, it just doesn't hold water.

Republicans are as evil as greed is evil.

Your arguments are weak as always.
Check the source for Observer's Murtha article....

It is from a right-wing pro-war blog called "Politico."  If you read a more non-partisan source you'll find that Murtha added a very large caveat to his comment.


Observer's "facts" would be so much more credible if she would quit posting from right-wing partisan sources.  If I were to repeatedly or constantly post on the Conservative board what I thought was the "truth" and all backed up by far left-wing blogs/publications I don't think I'd get very far and after I while I'd probably try to provide more non-partisan sources for my statements if I wanted to be viewed as the least bit credible.   


Observer is not a troll, but does debate. Posters here need to understand
this.  You are welcome to debate here or on the Conservatives board.  Debate IS allowed on both forums.  Again, there will be no additional forum strictly for debates as it can be conducted in a respectful fashion on either of our two political forums.
why are you posting here?
I believe in personal responsibility. I dont believe you or the govt have a right to tell anyone what to do with their body. If my choices are wrong, I will stand in judgment when I meet my maker. I also dont follow in lock step with an administration that lies to the people about Iraq. Supporting our troops and not falling for lies about this illegal war are two different things. Yes, it is an illegal war. The world realizes this. The International Court of Justice realizes this. Of course, I support our troops and want them home. Believing in God is a personal decision and should not be shoved down others throats. I believe in separation of church and state, do not mix religion and politics. I dont believe we should have the state and/or president intervening when a spouse wants to let someone pass whose brain is half the size of a normal brain, living only due to rudimentary reflexes and I certainly do not think they should waste my tax dollars on trying to tie the hands of the spouse. These republicans/conservatives are way out of control in so many ways. It would be quite laughable if it wasnt so pitiful. I believe this is not a Christian country but a country with many religions and beliefs and I respect the people enough to let them choose what to believe. Seems to me nowadays democrats are acting like the way republicans used to, i.e., keep govt at a minimum and out of personal business, keep the budget balanced or as close to balance as possible. Republicans/conservatives are so off course right now. They are trying to invade into the states rights and personal rights. They have waged an immoral illegal war, my children and my childrens children will be paying to reduce this massive deficit, caused by republicans. Yes I oppose **liberating** other countries who dont ask us to help. Who the heck do we think we are, invading a soverign country and pushing our beliefs and religion and morals down their throats? Iraq is worse off today than it was under Saddam. Under Saddam, they had jobs, food, electricity, a life of certainty and definitely not lawlessness in the streets. We have killed tens of thousands of Iraqis with the excuse of liberating them. We have created a terrorist breeding ground and it will continue. The minute we kill off terrorists, their sons and daughters will rise up and fight back. We are just as bad as Saddam with our sickening war machine.
Thanks for posting this.
that's what it's all about.
posting
In an odd sense of.....oh...whatever, please continue to post here.  No one wants you not to (gosh, it must be the green tea Im drinking this morning).  *note to me, get rid of that darn republican green tea*..
Not posting here

What is it about this issue that makes you people think that anyone finds YOU to be a threat to the point where you are all suddenly retreating and saying you won't post here any more???????????


The problem is with the breach of security on this site.  Unless you're the owner/moderator/administrator, this does not apply to you personally.


This issue should have been brought to the forefront on the company board a week ago when this incident happened, but I guess too many people were shocked by the blatant lack of ethics and the not so subliminal message that if anyone says anything negative about this company, your ISP will be tracked, and at that point, I, along with probable others, was afraid to post anything further.


why do they keep posting here?
For the life of me, I dont understand why these same bitter so angry conservatives come over to the liberal board and post.  They are not wanted here.  I guess the anger just builds up as they try to live their obviously unhappy lives and when they cant stand it any more, they come over here to start trouble.  It just bugs the heck out of them that we are patriotic, love the troops and want them home alive.  Some of these radical neocons actually say the troops are fighting for our freedom and freedom of speech?  What?  The war in Iraq has nothing to do with our freedom or freedom of speech.  They will just throw anything out there to try to justify Bush's war.  They sound so silly, just makes me shake my head and laugh.  A bunch of fools.
Wow, thanks for posting
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Thanks for posting.
I really like Paul Krugman.
Thank you for posting this.
And thanks Lurker for writing it.  Lurker brought up many, many valid issues and good points.  I wonder why nobody on that other board even bothered to address those issues.
There was someone posting here sm

In fact several, and I thought one of them was you, who were listing lots of links that Bush engineered 9/11.  I guess I was mistaken, but someone was posting it here.


Thank you for posting this!
My heart was really heavy...was I was not aware of this stance until this thread began. It is indeed heartening to know this. Thanks again!
Thanks for posting
I think you made my point better than I did when I was discussing this. I don't think it was always clear exactly how the program worked. From what I had read, the basics of the program were staying essentially the same - that the states had the control over who they covered. The only things, at least from what I saw, that the expansion did was allow the federal government to raise their limit (which states do not have to necessarily comply with, it just gives the states more options), collect more income for the states' programs, and allow more agencies to help decide eligibility. Everything would still essentially be in the states' hands.
Thanks for posting that
That's the sort of stuff I was looking for. The article I read was obviously skewed the other direction. In a way, I think it makes me like him more. There are so many people in this country who are completely turned off by politics. They see it as a bunch of rich white men controlling their lives. Because he is so candid about his past, I think there will be a large number of people who feel that they can relate to him better than any other candidate.

It sounds a little crazy to say, but I think his honesty will help him.
Thanks for posting!
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Hey sam....thanks so much for posting....sm
I knew you could explain it much more succinctly than I could.
Thank you for posting that. sm
Loved it!




Thanks for posting! nm
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Thanks for posting
I'm not meaning to start a riot either but my opinion, this nation was founded on the principal that "In God we Trust."  We are no longer a Christian nation.  God blessed this nation for 200+ years, then we allowed Him to be kicked out and look where we are today.  Again, this is MY opinion.
Thanks for posting this, Sam.
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Thank you for posting this!
I am a Christian and have been struggling this past month, maybe the economy, maybe just myself feeling that I've not been doing all He wants me to. There is no ridicule from me; I agree with you totally and I am so glad you posted this. I've noticed a couple of posts where there is this misconception that Christians think we are better or something.


Christians - By Maya Angelou


When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not shouting "I'm clean livin'."
I'm whispering "I was lost,
Now I'm found and forgiven."

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I don't speak of this with pride.
I'm confessing that I stumble
and need Christ to be my guide.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not trying to be strong.
I'm professing that I'm weak
And need His strength to carry on.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not bragging of success.
I'm admitting I have failed
And need God to clean my mess.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not claiming to be perfect,
My flaws are far too visible
But, God believes I am worth it.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I still feel the sting of pain.
I have my share of heartaches
So I call upon His name.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not holier than thou,
I'm just a simple sinner
Who received God's good grace, somehow!

Thank you for posting...
Unfortunately, there are too many people who do not seem to want peace and tolerance. The next leader has to be able to rise above this, but I think your 11-year-old son is very insightful. Lets hope he is wrong, huh?

Take care...and God protect us all
thank you for posting this ---
I have already voted, so this could not change my decision one way or another, but I was interested in knowing what was said first hand and not just reading about it second hand.

After watching this video, it is clear to me that he was not saying that he was Muslim - it was not a slip of tongue - he meant to say that questioning whether or not he was Muslim had not ever came out of John McCain's mouth. He even corrected GS when he tried to correct him...

I for one do not believe that Obama is a Muslim, practicing or nonpracticing, but at the same time, this country is built on diversity, being free to practice what religion you choose - as long as the President is not pushing his faith down your throat, mandating that it is the only right religion, what should it matter anyway what his/her faith might be? Why is it even an issue?

I am a Christian, but everyday I report to a boss that is not a Christian and I have no problem with that - she does not tell us in her employ that we have to practice her faith, and she does not keep us from practicing ours. When Bush got elected, he did not say that we all have to start being Methodist, but I don't see the Baptist protesting him because he is not Baptist, and the Church of God protesting because he was not Church of God, or the church of Christ protesting becaue he was not church of Christ.
Thank you for posting this.
I will be sending this to everyone I know and posting it on my myspace page.  I want to get the word out to anyone and everyone about how big of a joke Obama really is.  Nothing is for free and all his supporters are mesmerized by his preaching of hope and change and getting something for nothing......they are so mistaken.  Nothing is for free!  This is nothing bot socialism and giving money to people who don't work for it.  Makes me sick!
Thank you for posting this -- sm

I'm going to share this with my DH tonight.  We have discussing this election over and over and haven't been able to come up with a clear choice.  Our biggest concern is the economy.  Yes, I care about national security, but I think there are enough advisors on either campaign to handle that.  What affects me most is money.  Up until this point, we (DH and I) have been leaning to the left because it sounds like O's plans would be more beneficial to us.  However, after reading this, I'm not so sure anymore.  My husband and I work very hard to support our 3 kids and afford a nice home, vehicles and extras.  The last thing I want is someone taking that away from me and giving it to the welfare group.  They get enough breaks as it is.


I've said this numerous times -- McCain should be raising these issues in a better light, not counting on his supporters to find it.  It's sad because I fear it may be too late already.  Sometimes I think MC doesn't want to win this election.


Thanks for posting this :)
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Wow! Thanks so much for posting that! nm
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