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Posted By: Hmmm on 2008-10-31
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My #1 match is Chuck Baldwin (constitution party) 55.32% Hooray! Good to know I really am an independent. My second match was McCain at 44.68%, then Bob Barr (Libertarian)at 40.43%. Next was Ralph Nader, then Obama. Loved it, glad to know that Socialism is way down on my list.
Great post Sam - see message
I saw a nasty post by just me. That poster is not me. I've been agreeing with you on most issues throughout this time.
You are correct. He needs to earn respect before it is given. Like you I do not trust this guy. He lied to us so much it was like watching Bill Clinton all over again. And we all know what we got when Clinton took office - The Shaft! Clinton was one of the biggest disgraces of all Presidents and he lost all respect shortly after he took office and broke all his campaign promises. So in mine (and many of my friends and acquaintances) Clinton was not a real president but just someone who held the office and sat in the chair.
I hope Obama does good for the people like he has promised. Time will tell. Still uncomfortable about having to work more hours so that way they can give it to the people who don't want to work. You know that sounds like such a good system I told DH he should jump on the bandwagon. At least the extra money I'd be paying in taxes, he would get as a free check for not doing anything. Then at lease we could keep it in the family.
I listened to O's speech last night and he already started talking about some of his campaign promises are going to have to be broken. Funny how he has a way with words that he can say he's going to screw you and everyone feels good about it.
explanation
It is the thought that everyone, no matter what situation they were born in, is solely responsible for their own misfortunes. It is the thought that what is yours is yours and you are never under any obligation to help anyone in need. It is the philosophy that government's only duty is to fight wars and sometimes pave the roads. It is the philosophy that if you are 80, handicapped, and have no family or vehicle in which to escape a natural disaster, it is your choice to remind in a natural disaster and the consequences are your problem.
No one had given me an explanation still. Because you don't have one. nm
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explanation
I haven't seen him show any disrespect to the flag, EVER! Can you show an example of actual DISRESPECT?
And there is still no explanation..(sm)
of *the reality of O.*
Explanation...........
They ALL spend like drunken sailors. Didn't Clinton (at least) leave us with a balanced budget? I have a granddaughter in Brownsville, Tx, and kids in Houston so I get a weekly report on how bad the illegal situation is.
People can blame the Democrat congress of the past 2 years and don't get me wrong, I think they all need to be sent to the moon, but Bush and his Republican majority didn't work out so well did they?
I'll take the promise of change over more of the same. At least we can change the change we don't like if we're of a mind to. But before we do that the "rabid" Republicans AND Democrats need to get over it.
DEFINITION OF RABID REPUBLICAN/DEMOCRAT: A person who has such tunnel vision regarding their "party" that they can't see past the end of their nose.
Explanation
Republicans on this board have been calling Democrats sheeple...sheep people I think.
Great post, great insight, great analysis, thanks!..nm
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Partial explanation perhaps?
I've been noticing that quite often when there is a conservative belief/claim being put forth repeatedly on this board (right now it's that Republicans always do the right thing and admit to their behavior and resign versus the Democrats who never do the right thing/can't admit their behavior and never resign), when doing research I find that the posters on this board are simply regurgitating what they are reading on the many far-right blogs/newsletters/publications. It's almost word for word. THere have been many examples in the past besides this most recent rant. At this point it seems that the far-rights are guilty of being unable to have original thoughts. Now let's see if they can do the right thing and admit it.......(laughter here, please).
On a more serious note, I never saw Clinton referred to as a serial rapist until reading this board. Once again, upon checking this out I see multiple, multiple references on -- you guessed it - multiple far-right-crazy political blogs/newsletters, etc......you get the idea. The thing that I find worrisome, though, is that we have been requested repeatedly not to bash Bush on this board in any fashion, yet past presidents (especially those that are Democrats) are fair game for any manner of accusations. If we shouldn't question Bush's decisions (as an example) because of how it will look to other countries who might read this forum, how does it look to call our former president a serial rapist?
Sam explains it very well, see her explanation below....nm
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This is not an intelligent explanation
First, if the administration was pushing for good things for our country, not taking the country down the path of socialism/communism and had a good plan for the future to get us on the road to recovery, everyone would want him to succeed. But since he is not and we're on the brink of depression/socialism with no hopes for the future and no plans to help Americans, more unemployment ahead, more people losing homes, etc, yes we want "that" to fail (not "him", we want "that" to fail). If it was anyone else in the seat doing the same actions I would wish for the same thing. If Hillary, Mit Romney, John Edwards, Mike Huckabee, etc had the same exact failing policies that are being pushed on us now I would have the same opinion.
I've listed to plenty of their lies they are spewing. This is not an "intelligent explanation about the plan for this country". This is another distortion and lies to us and we are tired of it.
Calling people un-American because they are tired of being lied to is really un-Patriotic.
It's quite simple and doesn't need an explanation...sm
Get your hands (control) in areas that product oil, i.e., Iraq.
Thx - your explanation helped me understand it better
I understand that it had to be done, however, I guess I'm wondering is who is going to end up paying for it. Is it going to be us (people who make around $30K or so), or will it be the super wealthy millionaire, billionaire, and then the gluttonous people like Soros - now there's someone whose a slime lizzard). I did find this article written by Motley Fools. They are pretty good for writing things that even I can understand and they wrote an article listing the people responsible. So, I guess my questions is...Are the people who are responsible for letting this happen going to be responsible to get it fixed. After all, if I have a business and I run it into the ground nobody but me is going to pay for it. Anyway...think this is a good article...
http://www.fool.com/investing/dividends-income/2008/09/10/the-people-responsible-for-fannie-mae-and-freddie-.aspx
Not that you are owed any explanation for what we chose to post...sm
because anyone who wants to come on the liberal board and post liberally and respectfually can. From your tone, I would think you were not a liberal.
FYI, we have discussed the Gitmo decision, and you or anyone else is welcome to post *important legislation* coming up. I'm sure there will be in response to the Gitmo judgement.
The firing off of misses by North Korea is a few days old and I'm waiting to see how the government reacts. I mean we went into Iraq for so-called stockpiles of WMDs and yet N. Korea is test firing their missles and the White House says there is no threat, so this tells me one or two things. #1. There was equally no threat in Iraq. OR #2. We are more ambivalent to fight in N. Korea than we were in Iraq, especially since our troops are already spread out.
Thanks for your input new blood. Feel free to open a debate of your own if that's what you want to see happen, but if you are a conservative here to stir the pot spare us and yourself the annoyance.
Important: An explanation we can understand.....see inside
Please read this, as this is finally an explanation in terms we can understand, of what this 700 billion plan will entail.
I hope they go into more details once it's all decided.
September 27, 2008
President's Radio Address
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. This is an extraordinary period for America's economy. Many Americans are anxious about their finances and their future. On Wednesday, I spoke to the Nation, and thanked Congress for working with my Administration to address the instability in our financial system. On Thursday, I hosted Senator McCain, Senator Obama, and congressional leaders from both parties at the White House to discuss the urgency of passing a bipartisan rescue package for our economy.
The problems in our economy are extremely complex, but at their core is uncertainty over "mortgage-backed securities." Many of these financial assets relate to home mortgages that have lost value during the housing decline. In turn, the banks holding these assets have restricted credit, and businesses and consumers have found it more difficult to obtain affordable loans. As a result, our entire economy is in danger. So I proposed that the Federal government reduce the risk posed by these troubled assets, and supply urgently needed money to help banks and other financial institutions avoid collapse and resume lending.
I know many of you listening this morning are frustrated with the situation. You make sacrifices every day to meet your mortgage payments and keep up with your bills. When the government asks you to pay for mistakes on Wall Street, it does not seem fair. And I understand that. And if it were possible to let every irresponsible firm on Wall Street fail without affecting you and your family, I would do it. But that is not possible. The failure of the financial system would mean financial hardship for many of you.
The failure of the financial system would cause banks to stop lending money to one another and to businesses and consumers. That would make it harder for you to take out a loan or borrow money to expand a business. The result would be less economic growth and more American jobs lost. And that would put our economy on the path toward a deep and painful recession.
The rescue effort we're negotiating is not aimed at Wall Street -- it is aimed at your street. And there is now widespread agreement on the major principles. We must free up the flow of credit to consumers and businesses by reducing the risk posed by troubled assets. We must ensure that taxpayers are protected, that failed executives do not receive a windfall from your tax dollars, and that there is a bipartisan board to oversee these efforts.
Under the proposal my Administration sent to Congress, the government would spend up to $700 billion to buy troubled assets from banks and other financial institutions. I know many Americans understand the urgency of this action, but are concerned about such a high price tag. Well, let me address this directly:
The final cost of this plan will be far less than $700 billion. And here's why: As fear and uncertainty have gripped the market for mortgage-related assets, their price has dropped sharply. Yet many of these assets still have significant underlying value, because the vast majority of people will eventually pay off their mortgages. In other words, many of the assets the government would buy are likely to go up in price over time. This means that the government will be able to recoup much, if not all, of the original expenditure.
Members of Congress from both sides of the aisle have contributed constructive proposals that have improved this plan. I appreciate the efforts of House and Senate Democratic and Republican leaders to bring a spirit of bipartisan cooperation to these discussions. Our Nation's economic well-being is an issue that transcends partisanship. Republicans and Democrats must continue to address it together. And I am confident that we will pass a bill to protect the financial security of every American very soon.
Thank you for listening.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080927.html
A good explanation of the polls and margins...sm
Pollsters Struggle to Handicap Presidential Race
Barack Obama's leading in virtually every national poll, but his margin fluctuates wildly -- suggesting that in some cases, the numbers do in fact lie.
Barack Obama's been leading John McCain in almost every national poll since late September, and it may seem like he's got the election all sewn up.
But the Democratic presidential nominee's margin has fluctuated wildly, anywhere from 1 to 13 points in the past two weeks alone. And a few recent polls are even within the margin of error, suggesting McCain could actually be leading among certain sets of voters.
This doesn't mean the surveys are masking a widespread McCain advantage -- he's still trailing in most major battlegrounds needed to secure the election. But survey disparities are so great this year as to suggest that the numbers, contrary to the old adage, sometimes do lie.
Part of the problem? The sheer amount of polls being conducted across the country.
FOX News political analyst Karl Rove said by his count, there have been 177 national polls conducted as of Oct. 24, compared with 55 at the same time in 2004.
"The proliferation of polls, particularly polls run by universities that may not have the skill and capability that a professional polling outfit has, are really not helpful to the process, in my opinion," Rove said.
But some of the inconsistencies in the polls this year can also be traced to the method used by the pollsters.
The "expanded" Gallup poll, unlike the "traditional" one, includes those citizens who call themselves likely voters but who've never actually voted before.
"This year, I think all pollsters are concerned about how they're defining 'likely' voters, and trying to understand turnout," FOX News polling director Dana Blanton said. "There's been so much attention placed on new registration and enthusiasm among the electorate, and it's just -- it's extremely hard to figure out that, that piece of the puzzle."
Obama held a 10-point lead Monday in Gallup's expanded poll, but only a 5-point lead in their traditional poll.
Karlyn Bowman, who studies public opinion for the American Enterprise Institute, urged voters to examine the wording and sequencing of a poll's questions, to be wary of sudden spikes -- and to shop around.
"If you see a huge change in let's say the McCain-Obama margin overall, you might want to think about whether or not there has been something that's happened that would produce that kind of extraordinary change," she said. "But I think it's important to look at one poll, and then to compare that poll to other polls, and that's the way you can be an educated consumer."
A survey of the polling landscape shows the latest CBS News/New York Times poll to be the outlier, placing Obama up by 13 points.
A FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll last week had Obama up by 9 points.
Investor's Business Daily, which came closest to nailing the race between President Bush and John Kerry in 2004 (within four-tenths of a point), has the current presidential race within the margin of error. And The Associated Press recently reported a virtual tie.
With polls still fluctuating but mostly showing Obama in the lead, the Illinois senator says he's taking nothing for granted.
"Don't believe for a second this election is over. Don't think for a minute that power concedes," Obama said Monday in Canton, Ohio. "We have to work like our future depends on it in this last week, because it does depend on it in this last week."
McCain, meanwhile, is pledging to stun the pundits on Election Day.
"Let me give you the state of the race today. There's eight days to go. We're a few points down. The pundits have written us off, just like they've done before," McCain said Monday in Ohio. "Senator Obama's measuring the drapes ... You know I guess I'm old fashioned about these things. I prefer to let the voters weigh in before predicting the outcome."
Both Blanton and Bowman said there appears to be no evidence of a so-called "bandwagon effect" in American elections -- the idea that widespread dissemination of polling data trending a certain way will cause voters to in turn move in that direction. Such an effect might have led to a Hillary Clinton-Rudy Giuliani pairing, once the favorites in their respective races.
Experts say the "bandwagon" effect might be more common in places like Israel or Great Britain, where election cycles are much shorter.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/dont-like-polls-wait-minutes/
The best explanation I've heard thus far for economic crisis..(sm)
The Real Deal
So who is to blame? There's plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn't fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn't do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of "layered irresponsibility ... with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role." Here's a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:
- The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.
- Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.
- Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.
- Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.
- The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.
- Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.
- Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.
- Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.
- The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.
- An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.
- Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.
The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) the crisis is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult.
–by Joe Miller and Brooks Jackson
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html
Finally, a clear, concise explanation of ""The Plan". check out link
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=224262&title=Elizabeth-Warren-Pt.-2
Wow, common sense!!
Great, great post. Thank you, Marmann! nm
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Sure is great
Yup, I love posting the truth about the white house monster. Cant take it?? Well, I can remember some awful things the neocons said about President Clinton for eight years..What is good for the goose is good for the gander..
This is great!
Thanks for posting it. I didn't see this one before. I've only recently begun to watch his show and haven't been able to catch all of them. 
That's great! nm
This is great and I am going ...
to email this guy and tell him so.
http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning
These were great.
Thanks. Too bad they're all true. 
This was great!
Thanks for posting the link. I liked it all but especially laughed at the terrorists loving Masterpiece Theater. :-)
Yes, great. sm
She is speaking at an A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition meeting. You know about ANSWER, right? About as anti-American as you can get. Here's a little information. Also, as Observor said, she is a racist and an antisemite. Did you not see the video of her bodyguards, in her presence, race baiting Jews?
Formed within three days of the September 11th attacks, and officially founded on September 14, 2001 by Ramsey Clark and members of the International Action Center, ANSWER was one of the first organizations formed to protest the policies of the Bush administration in the wake of the September 11 attacks. Its first major action was a September 29, 2001 Anti-War, Anti-Racist political rally and march in Washington, D.C., primarily in protest of the then-impending U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. Subsequently the organization has organized rallies drawing crowds in the hundreds of thousands, including several with record-setting numbers of people. ANSWER characterizes itself as anti-imperialist, and its steering committee consists of socialists, Marxists, civil rights advocates, and left-wing progressive organizations from the Muslim, Arab, Palestinian, Filipino, Haitian, and Latin American communities. Many of ANSWER's leaders were members of Workers World Party (WWP) at the time of ANSWER's founding, and are current members of the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), a Marxist-Leninist organization that formed in 2004.
we know what a great
in-the-nation's-best-interests job the courts did on the Gore (Nobel prize winner) and Bush (failure in absolutely all business ventures) decision. Clarence still seeking revenge on Anita Hill. Plus don't forget the Supreme Court justice who just happens to enjoy duck hunting with Cheney. The guy with a cloud over his head according to Fitzgerald in the Plame case. Pile in on.
This was great
First time in a long time I watched the news and I was pretty amused tonight. Subject was Barack's trip to Berlin and his speech. Republican representative said that Obama shouldn't have done it because he's not the president. They were asked well what about McCain when he went and gave a speech in Canada. Their response was "Well that was different. They are Canadians". He also said it was okay for McCain to give speech to Canadians because Canada is in North America.
When questioned further it actually came out that they (republicans) were upset because the Berlin speech made Obama look good, while McCains biggest highlight of the week was giving in interview in the dairy isle of the grocery store.
They tried to say that Barack was giving a "policy" speech, and when corrected they made up some other lame excuse (that's when it came out that they were upset because having all those people gather for his speech in Berlin made him look good).
Just goes to show you how desperate the republicans are. They had their chance to pick a better candidate than some old lame, senile guy, but this is who they chose. Now they are just mad because McCain is looking more feeble, constantly whines, and is constantly mis-speaking and getting the facts wrong (and having to be corrected in public by those closest to him). Someone said that if he would just stick to issues and not try and attack/belittle Obama every chance he got it might go a little different for him.
I just thought that was quite amusing for a change in the news.
Great! :) nm
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Great pic thanks
That's excellent. She sure knows her weapons. Goes to show she knows and supports Ammendment 2 of the constitution - Right to bear arm. You go girl Governor Palin. Would she now be considered the new Governator. :-)
He was great. Wish he had been more like that...
during the primaries. I like Fred.
That would be great but we all know that
some people can't see beyond their nose and some people don't have the ability to weigh the facts of what is written.
FYI, I have finally made up my mind through reading.
She was great. Try though he did, he...
couldn't trip her up and it was to his obvious great frustration. She did a better job than Obama did with O'Reilly. lol. At least she didn't say she had to figure out which faction. lol.
i just think it's great :)
that we'll have either our first black pres or first female vp. I don't know why obama only sides w/ his black side, and I don't know why you have a problem with me thinking that it's great that for once we are going to have some diversity. Sheesh
These are great
These are great strategies. I can certainly understand why he should be president. I can't wait too vote!!!!! (sorry, I just couldn't resist!!)
Jon is great. sm
His facial expressions alone make me laugh. I became a fan after watching him confront Tucker Carlson during an interview. If I find that clip, I will post it. It is not comedy, but Jon tells it like it is.
And just look at the great welcome
received after their service to our country...I'm sure Kendra is thinking of this and wondering how many people are going to feel this way towards her own hero! You hang in there Kendra, you do have a hero and God bless you, your husband and your child!
Ain't that the great
thing about America? You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.
Religious beliefs aren't legislated in a society that claims to respect freedom of religion for all. If a tourist or other person is murdered in the USA, of course that person is protected from the crime of murder, but reference was being made to the United States Constitution and the word "citizen" was used. I was merely providing the definition of "citizen" as provided by the Constitution.
Again, the ultimate decision will be between a woman and her creator. I'm willing to let God do his/her job. Why aren't you? 
This was great!
I'm still laughing! Thanks for posting this. It's nice to leave the computer with a smile on my face. Hope you have a great day.
What a great ad
Of course they wont run that. What is wrong with it? People have abortions every day, people vote so that it is legal, people protest for their right to do what they want with their body. Given that, why cant we see a commercial about it? My children have to watch Enzyte (spelling?) commercials and see sexual things on TV anytime they try to watch it. So why not? Because anything with an ounce of a moral behind it is exactly what most of society does not want to see.
That would be great. (nm)
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LOL! That's great!!! (nm)
Great...
Just don't tell my grandkids or I'll have to tell them different. ;-)
That was great!
Of course, the right wing nuts on this board will have a field day, but I am glad to see all the holes poked in these ridiculous statements.
Thanks, JTBB!
I think it is great
that the President and his wife have a date night. Taking time out for your marriage is very important especially with as busy as you know Obama has to be with everything going on. I can't knock them for going out.
However, people are losing jobs left and right, GM filed bankruptcy, Chrysler is in bankruptcy, people are losing homes, etc. Our country is hurting and although I applaud their date night......they could have done it at little or no expense to the taxpayers. Obama continues to state that this is a time we all must sacrifice and I have yet to see those in Washington sacrificing. It is the taxpayers that continue to get screwed.
So take your wife out on a date, Mr. President......but pay for it yourself and save the taxpayers some money for once.....please!!!
I just think it's great that the
It's so hard to find your soulmate. Out of all the crooked politicians in the world, these two met and fell in love. Wow! My faith in marriage is restored.
great post
Im amazed at how much debate I have caused on both boards, LOL! I have become *the* poster to be talked about, attacked, compared to. Thank you for your refreshing post replying to IMHO a mean spirited obviously very troubled conservative poster. This person has been on my case since day one, along with her two cohorts. Frankly, from what I can see, they are just about the only ones who consistently post on the conservative board. I guess others after a while get tired of the attack mode or just give up trying to debate logically and intelligently. They say Im a lunatic and certifiable. By reading their nasty posts, If anyone is certifiable, they are. They say they are Christian. Not like any Christian I have ever know. The Christians I grew up with were nice, caring, accepting people. Not judgmental hateful closed minded individuals. I perused the conservative board this morning, just to see which republican they are admiring this morning or which democrat they are dogging and OMG, Im being posted about all over the board. A few posted yesterday and right away they started asking were the posters gt!! I cracked up laughing this morning. No, I wasnt on their board posting. I was in Mexico for the weekend and got back this morning..Gee, I generated this much attention and publicity by just posting on one little board in the vast expanse of the World Wide Web. Amazing! After reading their troubling posts, with all their attacks (one says she never attacks, yet one of her favorite words from what I have read is troll), I have decided not to read the conservative board any more. I frankly dont need their negative energy..I feel sorry for all three of them. They sound like they are angry bitter fools, clinging to a way and thought of life, so afraid frankly of anyone else with different and/or better ideas for this country. Some people will never change and expand their consciousness as these three have proven to me. This board I will continue to read and post from time to time, as it is a good open minded and accepting board and if the conservatives post an attack to me pertaining to this post, I will not read it nor respond.
Great post
Thank you for this post..It was a good one. :o)
Great article
Great article by Noonan. LOL, she is one of the people the right wingers just love and love to quote her articles..Guess they wont be quoting much from this article. I love it. I sit back and laugh when I see conservatives, staunch Bush supporters, speaking out against decisions he has made and then the ones who are still trying to defend this total screw up person, LOL.
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