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They do not understand the power structure. sm

Posted By: LVMT on 2008-12-25
In Reply to: Oh please - this is so lame - New Englander

The POTUS has limitations - those that control the money supply control everything.


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The power structure ,,,,,,, sm
This is an old clip (20 years old), but Ron Paul to goes into who they are a little bit. They do own the media so you won't see this stuff on the TV. Dr. Paul is a congressman so he is in a position to know.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4245169480003136735&hl=en
McCain is not pro-offshoring. He is for a tax structure...
that enourages businesses to STAY here, not offshore. As I said in post above, we have the second highest corporate/business tax rate in the entire world. Not only does that force our businesses offshore, no foreign enterprises want divisions here either. That is just common sense to me, and it should not be a Democrat or Republican thing. It should be a do what is best for America thing. That is why toeing the party line drives me over the top. I mean both parties. People act like they have to vote Democrat even if they don't think he is the best guy because they will turn to stone if they vote for a Republican. And the same for the other side. It needs to be NOT about the party anymore, and I just wish people would educate themselves and we would start holding politicians responsible, and when they don't do what they say they will do, don't vote them in time after time after time. I just wish politicians would get back to doing the job of taking care of US, not themselves.

If you put an even higher tax on MTSOs, they will just cut our money further or offshore everything. If that is your goal, tax them higher. Makes no sense to me, but if that is your goal..vote Obama. You may get a tax cut, which won't amount to a hill of beans, but it won't matter if you don't have a check at all will it?
Yeah, 'knowledge IS power". But, the power is
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I no more understand it than I understand the extremely poor taste and blasphemous sm
post with pictures on the other board.  Are we clear now?
More Power To Them!
Makes me want to cry.  They have been there..done that..dont ever want to again..They know the pain they will carry for the rest of their lives..More power to them..May they carry on to government and change this government and country for the better..Chickenhawks they are not..
TAKE away their power!!

There are kinds of folks in this country.  There are right-wing kooks, religious kooks, left-wing kooks, serial killers, child pornographers, bigots/racists, right-wing militia people-whose-exact-names-I-forget and all types worse and better.


The thing is, in this country the decent people are the majority, whether right or left in politics/beliefs.  That's why this country is so great.


When you fixate on folks who are overly negative you give them power.  Please rise above the comments of those who represent a very tiny minority.  I pay no attention to those who voice unreasonable beliefs and I advise you do the same.  Take the power away from those people.


You have no power
run for congress, but spare me the eloquent opinions, gag.
you say that like we have any power now - nm
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Exactly what power will he take away?
What power is Obama going to take away, eh?

Our right to guns?

Or is it his communist plan or his socialist plan - both of which I posted earlier (as Obama MT) that are already present in our government under both Dem/Rep long before Obama came along?

Or is it that he's a Muslim mole about to take us over?!

Or maybe it's that he will let black people rule over white people?!

Or is it that he will force abortions on us all or make like gay people or let them all get married?

Wait, is it the one where he will force Boy Scouts to have homosexual scout masters and have to sleep in the same tent with them??!! (you've got to be joking)

Or is it he won't let us homeschool our children any more?

Or is it the one where he will actually end this war and let our soldiers come home with dignity without more of them dying?

Which power is it that he will take away?

More than half of this country feels empowered and evidently, the rest don't.

I refer you back to the website to read Homework for the Fearful. I would be doing just that if McCain were my president - and letting go of my fear and hoping for the best of all, for all.

Haven't you all had enough fear mongering from the right to last a lifetime?

Thanks for listening.



the man has only been in power sm
for two months for crying out loud! You wait and see what happens. He sits in the white house throwing money around like he has a "money tree" on the white house lawn, he wants to suddenly remove all military from Iraq (which a lot of the military are against) further exposing this country wide open to attack and you think this is a strong president. The only thing he is "strong" in is trying to promote himself, the Obama AGENDA
Wow - I wish I'd know before that I had so much power! _ SM _
If I'd known that I and others like me had the superpowers to cause the economic crisis, then I'd have also used that power to will myself about $50 million in cash beforehand.
Yes, we have power

Although this story doesn't emphasize the fact, others do.  The outrage that exploded when the conservative teacher in Kansas lost his job has caused school officials to reverse their decision:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528484,00.html


Never buy into the lie that demon-crats and the media try to sell you that conservatism is dead.  Not only ain't we dead, we ain't begun to fight!  We're the same handful of colonial militia who defeated the whole durn British army a long time ago.  First they laughed at us...and then they died.


 


Especially the power workers

God bless those people who came all the way down there, slept in their trucks in stifiling weather (because the media and gawking politicians hogged all the hotels that were left) and helped string line and get our power back on.  They are heros, as well as all those who donated time and goods.


On the other hand, SHAME on the people from Indiana who printed up a bunch of Katrina T-shirts and had the nerve to come down there to sell them!  Those who survived Katrina need no darn T-shirt proclaiming they did!


then again, perhaps it's abuse of power like
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So abuse of power is OK by you?
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Sue does. The power to become more of a liability to McC
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Honestly, it's all about power
for the democrats in office, in my opinion. They want people to depend on the government so they have more power. That's what should scare the heck out of all of us much more than if they are helping someone in need or not.
Power not granted to Bush
Power We Didn't Grant

By Tom Daschle
Friday, December 23, 2005; A21


In the face of mounting questions about news stories saying that President Bush approved a program to wiretap American citizens without getting warrants, the White House argues that Congress granted it authority for such surveillance in the 2001 legislation authorizing the use of force against al Qaeda. On Tuesday, Vice President Cheney said the president was granted authority by the Congress to use all means necessary to take on the terrorists, and that's what we've done.


As Senate majority leader at the time, I helped negotiate that law with the White House counsel's office over two harried days. I can state categorically that the subject of warrantless wiretaps of American citizens never came up. I did not and never would have supported giving authority to the president for such wiretaps. I am also confident that the 98 senators who voted in favor of authorization of force against al Qaeda did not believe that they were also voting for warrantless domestic surveillance.


On the evening of Sept. 12, 2001, the White House proposed that Congress authorize the use of military force to deter and pre-empt any future acts of terrorism or aggression against the United States. Believing the scope of this language was too broad and ill defined, Congress chose instead, on Sept. 14, to authorize all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons [the president] determines planned, authorized, committed or aided the attacks of Sept. 11. With this language, Congress denied the president the more expansive authority he sought and insisted that his authority be used specifically against Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda.


Just before the Senate acted on this compromise resolution, the White House sought one last change. Literally minutes before the Senate cast its vote, the administration sought to add the words in the United States and after appropriate force in the agreed-upon text. This last-minute change would have given the president broad authority to exercise expansive powers not just overseas -- where we all understood he wanted authority to act -- but right here in the United States, potentially against American citizens. I could see no justification for Congress to accede to this extraordinary request for additional authority. I refused.


The shock and rage we all felt in the hours after the attack were still fresh. America was reeling from the first attack on our soil since Pearl Harbor. We suspected thousands had been killed, and many who worked in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were not yet accounted for. Even so, a strong bipartisan majority could not agree to the administration's request for an unprecedented grant of


authority.


The Bush administration now argues those powers were inherently contained in the resolution adopted by Congress -- but at the time, the administration clearly felt they weren't or it wouldn't have tried to insert the additional language.


All Americans agree that keeping our nation safe from terrorists demands aggressive and innovative tactics. This unity was reflected in the near-unanimous support for the original resolution and the Patriot Act in those harrowing days after Sept. 11. But there are right and wrong ways to defeat terrorists, and that is a distinction this administration has never seemed to accept. Instead of employing tactics that preserve Americans' freedoms and inspire the faith and confidence of the American people, the White House seems to have chosen methods that can only breed fear and suspicion.


If the stories in the media over the past week are accurate, the president has exercised authority that I do not believe is granted to him in the Constitution, and that I know is not granted to him in the law that I helped negotiate with his counsel and that Congress approved in the days after Sept. 11. For that reason, the president should explain the specific legal justification for his authorization of these actions, Congress should fully investigate these actions and the president's justification for them, and the administration should cooperate fully with that investigation.


In the meantime, if the president believes the current legal architecture of our country is insufficient for the fight against terrorism, he should propose changes to our laws in the light of day.


That is how a great democracy operates. And that is how this great democracy will defeat


terrorism.


The writer, a former Democratic senator from South Dakota, was Senate majority leader in 2001-02. He is now distinguished senior fellow at the Center for American Progress.


© 2005 The Washington Post Company


Why do you give Bush the power

to do this to you?


*I die a little inside each time I see President Bush on TV or read about another dumb thing he said.  It bothers me so much!!!*


Wow, if you give someone that much power over your emotions and life you have to be living a sad existence.


He's really not THAT BAD, but of course you already know that.


Sounds familiar, nut at the top has the power!
Not all socialist states have fallen to such a state, many just fizzled out like lambs. Some countries today still have socialistic parties though have not adopted full-blown socialism as an ideal and have enjoyed economic success while keeping the head dog in check.
Abuse of power/hypocrisy seems to be
What is clear is that, slimy or not, she still used her office in an inappropriate manner to influence the outcome of a family dispute. What's ethical about that? The slimy trooper and the disposition of his divorce/custody case is supposed to be left up to the family courts and it not typically resolved by manipulation and interference by the Governor's office, now is it? Ethically challenged ethics clean-up maiden. Not my idea of a great pick.
sam's right on this one. Mainly the dems in power through the past several...sm
years have abused their power and positions, and taken advantage of the situation.

While I believe a few of the republicans stood by and let it happen, they are not the majority in this.

Rich liberal democrats on Wall street and in Congress/Senate, not to mention Bill Clinton and his cronies, are the ones that bear the most blame.


And some of them are crying the loudest blaming George Bush, when it's their own fault.




Sam has posted the names and dates and all. It is the truth. Research it yourselves. Just because you don't like what she has to say, means that it's wrong.







The power of suggestion I guess...nm
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Do you have any concept of what abuse of power is?
if you can turn off the hate machine long enough to remember how to do it. It was not Governor Palin's role to interfere in divorce/custody proceedings. Sister Palin could not have done what Governor Palin tried to do. She abuse the power of her office. We have already had 8 years of that kind of malarky. Most of us are not up for another 4. Got it?
Abuse of power is SP's middle name.
megalomaniac behaviors. I am particularly impressed by the "woman scorned" tantrum she had against her opponents that ensued within moments after she took office. Looks like Alaska's busy little ethics maid overlooked her own glass house.
One hopes that no one has absolute power one day...
over whether you live or die.
If Netanyahu is back in power, there will be a war.
I just hope they don't drag us into their war against Iran, but they probably will. 
Funny. The repugs are out of power... sm

REALLY out of power, for the first time in a long time, and they're throwing a temper tantrum.  Ready to divide up the country?  What a bunch of crybabies.  No wonder they lost the election.  Where are all the adults in the Republican party?  Come to think of it, where are all the sane, *moderate* Repubs?  The party has been taken over by their lunatic base.  At this rate, it will be a long, long time before they ever win another election. 


Why the balance of power is so important s/m

This is where the majority of all 3 tiers of the government can make such a difference.  Say what you will/want about the GOP (I carry water for no one), but even they couldn't spend money this badly.


Just my 2 cents.  I just want my country back.  It's literally sliding right out of our hands by the day.


Finally, a party that will put a woman in power
So happy right now
Agreed. It's abuse of power AND a crime
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You assume its "abuse of power",or you hope.
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Wow, is this the type of person we want in a position of power? (nm)
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Bush abused the power of his office.
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I'm curious about your use of the term 'Black Power'
You seem to think that just because someone's black they're instantly for Obama. And that if he loses we'll riot in the streets and there will be 'blood shed.' Why? Because you think we're a bunch of crazed malcontents who can't stand to have our way? Now your real prejudice comes out. Interesting.
How is she using her religion to gain power and money?
Can you show me facts on that one? Standing up for what you believe in and letting it guide your decisions is not using it to gain power or money. I don't know why people think that someone can check their faith at the door. It's not like taking off your coat. It is ingrained in you. It is something you will base all your decisions, big and small, off of. Since when are good morals a bad thing?

So you think she should just sit at home and knit shirts and keep her pretty little mouth shut? That is completely unfair. We need more strong women in this country. I'm sorry that you had those experiences with women, but you can't lump all strong women into the same boat.




Information on the coal/power issue...sm
I got this information from someone who is a broker for electricity in our area. She knows how much power is received from various resources and what those resources are and how dependent we are on them as a nation.

Here is my question to her.....

"How much of our electric power is dependent on coal, and how would a cap and trade policy imposing high penalties on coal plants impact the cost of the electric power for the consumer?"

Her answer was.....

"Our portfolio is about 55% coal. The last legislation that was proposed would raise the cost of power by about 20-30%. Which calculates into about a 10-15% increase in the price of our power. Last month Deep East charged .098057 per kilowatt hour. It could go to 11 or 12 cents power kilowatt. If that happens my bill would go from $120 to $138. Of course, that fluctuates depending on the amount of hydro power we get out of three dams and how high natural gas prices are."

I then asked her the following:

"No, this is great, actually. Thanks for the info. I'm trying to understand how Obama's plan, if he goes into office and gets his legislation passed, to place a cap and trade on the coal industry. He had promised that it would bankrupt the coal industry and skyrocket the consumer's electric bill as the power companies would have no choice but pass the cost on to the customers. My next question is, though, if he does this and does manage to bankrupt the coal industry, driving it out of existence, will there be enough alternative resources to support the nation's power requirements or will we all be sitting in the dark?"

Her answer..........

"Should he be able to do this the country would go dark. Our nation relies on about 50-60% coal fired generation for its electricity. Everyone is scrambling NOW to build new generation to cover expected load growth. It takes about 3-4 years to plan, get government approvals and build a power plant. With our nation already being short on power supply this could really put a major kink in things."

Better stock up on batteries NOW!!!!



the folly is in giving all the power to a union...
The union may not be a thing of the past but their concern for the average worker is and their usefulness is. Now they are greedy and selfish entities in and of themselves.
Won't happen, because the party in power wants their votes.....
and the fact that they can VOTE and influence our elections is the WORST affront of all, and the fact that an American political party is on BOARD for that just reeks to the high heaven.
Problem is this....Once they get a taste of the money and power...WHAM!...sm
So much for values. They are bought off by the highest bidder.

It takes a strong character not to buy into it all, like Kinky Friedman, maybe (running independent in the Texas governer race).
Playing both sides of the field in case she gets in power...sm
Big business 101.
Executive power survey by presidential candidates.

In case you haven't seen this article, I am posting the link:


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/22/candidates_on_executive_power_a_full_spectrum/?page=2


This is very enlightening for those who want to know their candidates thoughts about executive power.


Yep! Doe sound familiar, only in the US the power lies with Congress...not one man...
our "nuts at the top" (your words, not mine) have an approval rating rating lower than Bush's. And who has the majority? Ahem...
If you elect Obama....you are giving the power to the party...
who are largely responsible for the "mess" we currently find ourselves in.
Palin is the winker, gun toting power abusing ho
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Until the president gets line item veto power....
it will never happen. And heaven forbid if the president should have line item veto power. There would be no more bridges to nowhere, no more money for crucifixes in jars of urine.

The president getting the power of line item veto is as far fetched as having a viable 3rd party alternative to the Pubs and Dems.
Abuse of Power charges stick to Palin like glue.

So, what goes around comes around.  After a hard week out on that campaign trail attacking Obama right, left and center, seems Sarah has a character issue of her own now to deal with.  Oops!   


Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
That's how Osamabinbama's going to win.

Folks are getting snookered.

They'll realize too late, like when they're impeaching the chosen one for gross negligence.

Oh well. He can always become a used car salesman. He's already perfected his look-em-in-the-eyes-and-lie technique. And you simpletons just smile and eat it up and wave your purdy little signs.

Change.

Hope.

Puhleeeze.
Why on earth? Small person, tiny brain, no power,
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Also can understand...

I was also accused of being the notorious gt also.  Not sure what their obsession is with this, perhaps they are hoping that all the posters who do not agree with are one in the same. 


 


What I understand you to be saying....

What I hear you saying is that this board's posts need to reflect your personal ideology and that it is your role to call our attention to posts that you consider too liberal. 


In looking back at your protests on this board, particularly a post where you have repeated the word hate over and over, combined with your delusions of grandeur that this board should operate according to your political agenda, I think you are mentally unbalanced.  As a result of mental illness I doubt you will be able to comprehend any reasonable explanation of why what you are doing is misguided.


I suggest that if you want full control of a political board and the ability to censor each post that you create your own website.


Also, I am not sure why you have been allowed to run amuck on this particular board.