Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Posted By: sm on 2008-10-12
In Reply to: Why don't you ask the double digit lead - that question?
That's how Osamabinbama's going to win.
Folks are getting snookered.
They'll realize too late, like when they're impeaching the chosen one for gross negligence.
Oh well. He can always become a used car salesman. He's already perfected his look-em-in-the-eyes-and-lie technique. And you simpletons just smile and eat it up and wave your purdy little signs.
Change.
Hope.
Puhleeeze.
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Nobody is stopping the large crowds of people
who are vying for the opportunity to debate you.
But this IS the liberal board, and if you keep posting here, be prepared to have people respond to your posts... whether YOU like it or not.
People not stupid...
...it's likely the American people did not elect Bush for either of his terms. Problem is, it doesn't matter anymore so long as Republicans continue to applaud the use of corporate-owned voting machines that leave no verifiable paper trail. What can we do? Bush supporters own the machines. Bush supporters tabulated the votes. We don't have any say anymore about who sits in the White House - when it looked like we were using our voice of reason in 2000 the SCOTUS yanked the vote right out of our hands and appointed the president, overriding the fair vote count and giving us all the finger. Again, Bush supporters. Now they have the machines to re-define our votes a little more smoothly, but it's all the same criminal intention.
The American people are actually pretty smart - that's why those who hate them have to resort to such meticulous and intricate planning to steal their voice.
Of course, there are always some who are easily led, but they are far from the majority they like to claim they are. They can't even conceive of the difference between a paper ballot and a electronic vote - they have no idea which is better or why it's better, much less any notion of how to defend a Republic or their Constitution, or the integrity to act in a way that's best for their country rather than what's feely-good and rah-rah for their own selfish selves. Guess we have to put up with them, but what are we going to do about the vote thieves they enable?
stupid people shouldn't breed
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Yeah, 'knowledge IS power". But, the power is
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I wouldn't underestimate the GOP (sm)
They know exactly what they are doing and have for years. They may be without a visible leader at this point, but someone is calling the shots.
Actually, if you think about it, these tactics are not that rare. They actually happen more than you think. The only difference now is the media coverage they are getting because of the situation. I personally hope they stick a camera and a microphone in front of every one of these guys so they can tell their constituants exactly why they would like to kill job security. We didn't hit the magic 60 this time, but at the rate the pubs are going, we might hit it in 2010.
I think you underestimate our caterpillars.
You see, we put tiny hobnail boots on all their little feet and then we let them do the boogie-woogie up and down your spine until you break down and tell us what we want to know.
And if that doesn't work, they sing old Ethel Merman tunes in your ear.
It is useless to resist our torturous methods.
I think you underestimate the young minds...sm
Thought I'll agree the walkout probably was not for political reasons so much so as for what they believe is right. Do you think they probably have a lot of respect for this teacher? Maybe. It is possible to be passionate about something other than cutting class as a teenager. I know I was, and so is my daughter who just turned 13.
I also have to give you the point that the teacher should have stayed on the subject matter of the class. If you're hired to teach geography then teach geograpy BUT we don't have the privlege of seeing the course outlines, book, etc. It may not be so cut and dry as capitols, states, and what have you. So before you call for his head on a plank you should at least know that much. Whose to say that this course was not comingled with history and this teacher was within his right to bring up subjects to provoke thought. I don't see the problem with that.
Listening to the message in a whole, I don't see a problem in what the teacher said excpt that he may have deviated from the subject matter. And the fact still remains that we don't know the totality of the course description.
LOL! I never underestimate the limits of their slime. There's no such thing as too low for them.
Did you hear that Karl Rove is in charge of the rebuilding efforts in New Orleans? 
How many more groups will he
throw under the bus? He obviously needs a much bigger bus!
That's a real friend, wouldn't you say?
Certain groups in this country sure are big on
I hate any of these radical groups
and the panthers are no better than the klan was and it does seem like the news media just ignores what they don't want to report. They certainly should not be allowed to block the entrance which they were doing this morning. I have heard cops have been preparing for rioting, so all please be careful. I am reminded of Rodney King and rabblerousers just started attacking whites with no regard for how they may have felt as individuals. And, once again, the military vote will not be counted - how long are we going to tolerate that? It arrived "too late", probably because it was sent too late by Washington. Amazing.
Don't know of any Dutch oven groups around here....
but I am not from "around here." Which comes out often...I just answer someone and get the "you aren't from around here, are you?" lol. They do like my accent tho.
Gee, the only violent hate groups I see around here
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Getting closer to July 4. Here's what NK groups are saying
This is a little long but it's 2 articles. Sounds like they are getting pumped up and ready for a fight. Funny, I don't remember 2 million troops fighting in the Korean War. Anybody else?
"Workers and GFTUK Members Meet to Protest against U.S. Imperialists |
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Pyongyang, June 24 (KCNA) -- Workers and members of the General Federation of Trade Unions of Korea held a meeting on the bank of the River Taedong where the monument to the sinking of the U.S. ship of aggression "General Sherman" stands and the U.S. imperialist armed spy ship "Pueblo" is anchored on Tuesday on the occasion of the "June 25 the Day of the Struggle against U.S. Imperialism."
A reporter and speakers at the meeting recalled that the sworn enemy U.S. imperialists stretched the tentacles of aggression to Korea from more than a century ago and ignited a war of aggression to destroy the young DPRK in its cradle on June 25, 1950.
The Korean war was the most brazen-faced and brigandish war of aggression in the world history of wars and a savage war of genocide baffling the human imagination, they said.
Noting that the U.S. imperialists have imposed all sorts of misfortune and sufferings upon the Korean people during the history, they declared that should the U.S. imperialists ignite a war again, the army and people of the DPRK will fully mobilize the nation's capability for self-defence built in every way under the Songun leadership of Kim Jong Il, illustrious commander of Mt. Paektu, and wipe out the aggressors in this land to the last one and achieve the historic cause of national reunification.
They stressed the need for the workers and the members of the GFTUK to protect Kim Jong Il, who represents the destiny of the country and the nation, politically and ideologically at the cost of their lives and glorify the ever-victorious history of Songun Korea with the might of single-minded unity more powerful than a nuclear weapon, united closer around the headquarters of the revolution.
A letter of protest was read out at the meeting."
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Agricultural Workers Vow to Take Revenge upon Enemy |
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Pyongyang, June 24 (KCNA) -- A meeting of agricultural workers was held outside the Class Education Hall in Kaesong City on Tuesday to vow to take revenge upon the enemy on the occasion of "June 25, the day of the struggle against U.S. imperialism".
Kang Chang Uk, chairman of the Central Committee of the Union of Agricultural Workers of Korea, made a report at the meeting.
Speeches were made there.
Kang and the speakers said that the Korean war launched by the U.S. imperialists was the most brazen-faced and brigandish war of aggression to suffocate the DPRK and reduce the whole of Korea to their colony.
They condemned the thrice-cursed atrocities committed by the U.S. imperialists, recalling that they hurled more than two million troops including their aggressor forces and a huge quantity of war hardware into the Korean war, indiscriminately killing innocent people and reducing the cities, farm villages, industrial establishments, schools and hospitals to ashes.
They declared that the army and people in the DPRK will get fully prepared to go into action and would turn out to defend the country to the last in a do-or-die spirit, should the U.S. imperialists intrude into their fertile land even an inch.
The servicepersons and people in the DPRK will remain unfazed in face of any sanctions and blockade of the U.S. imperialists and are sure to win as long as they are under the leadership of Kim Jong Il, illustrious commander of Mt. Paektu, and have invincible military power and their single-minded unity."
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No need to ridicule, as most religious groups make
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Report: 50% rise in violent hate groups
Southern Poverty Law Center: 50% rise in violent hate groups
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Wednesday April 15, 2009
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A new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which tracks the activities of violent hate groups in the United States, has found an alarming rise in the number of such groups, from 602 in 2000 to 926 in 2008.
This comes on the heels of a controversial report on "violent extremism" from the Department of Homeland Security, which has outraged many conservatives by seeming to lump them in with extremists.
Morris Dees, the founder of the SPLC, told CBS's Harry Smith on Wednesday that he believes the two reports do "synch up pretty much" and that "the report from the Department of Homeland Security should be taken very seriously."
However, the SPLC's own report focuses very narrowly on groups which actively preach violence, including neo-Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan, and the "racist skinhead subculture." It also notes the surprising rise of "anti-Semitic black separatists calling for death to Jews on bustling street corners in several East Coast cities."
"A key 2008 hate group trend was the increasing militancy of the extremist fringe of the Hebrew Israelite movement," the report states, "whose adherents believe that Jews are creatures of the devil and that whites deserve death or slavery. These radical black supremacists have no love for Barack Obama, calling him a 'house nigger' and a puppet of Israel. They preach to inner-city blacks that evil Jews are solely responsible for the recession."
Dees told Smith, "The political climate, the election of Obama, the immigration issues ... and now, especially, the economy is almost causing a resurgence of what we saw in the days of Timothy McVeigh, almost a militia movement that's being reborn. ... I think that an American person is much more likely to be harmed by a domestic terrorist extremist group than by one from abroad."
Dees also emphasized that many extremist groups are recruiting Iraq veterans and even active-duty members of the military because of their expertise with arms and explosives. "It's a serious issue," he stated, "especially with a lot of these guys coming back with post-traumatic stress syndrome, coming back to a failing economy, the inability to buy a home and get a job and get credit."
This video is from CBS's The Early Show, broadcast Apr. 15, 2009.
Video at: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_50_rise_0415.html
Well, you don't have to be a large corp
My husband works for a company that would be considered a moderate size company. Nothing major. They employ good people and pay them well above minimum wage in order to retan good hard working people.And they also are self-insured, which means they self pay for their own insurance plan. It only takes one employee to come down with a catastrophic illness and that would be it for the insurance plan. My husband knows the details here and be rest assured, he knows with O's plan, they would be out of business with all the mandates and wonderful delusional thinking he has some believing. They don't have loop holes but they supply a major need in this community and several others and like I said, take good care of their workers, but that will not be the case if O gets in office. Everything will tumble down with all the mandates and socialist programs he has up his sleeve.
I am so so sorry about the large spaces between paragraphs
I tried to cut them out so it wouldn't come out like this.
Obama won by a very large margin... i f you sm
If you want to say not a landslide and that somehow makes you almost smile, oh well, sorry for you. OBAMA WON AND THE SMART PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM. ALL THE DUMMIES AND RACISTS WENT REPUB. EVEN DECENT REPUBS VOTED FOR HIM.
And if one wants to split a rather large hair....
Barry from Chicago must be a war monger too because he said we belonged in Afghanistan, has always said so, and has expanded our operations there. Soooo....I guess that makes him a war monger too? Or Iraq is the only war that counts in the war monger equation...?
Sorry....as I remove my rather large foot from my mouth...
at least I will admit when I am wrong...yep, I took the post the wrong way. Soooo sorry.
Yes, the idea of a conservative woman who is a feminist, who is strong and able to meld career and family and do it well scares them...she is a feminist, but with conservative values...go figure. The hard core feminists are now being taken to task by the moderates saying "Hey wait...either you want women to advance or you don't...you want women treated equally or you don't...this is not about liberal or conservative women, it is about women..."
The horse is out of the barn now and I don't think they can put it back in.
And a LARGE food-tray, to hold all those
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Yeah, and a large number of those new voters are
coming out saying they will vote for McCain now.
also heard some large publishers in that line..
some of the big papers in this one.
I think ol' Dubya is in large part a big reason we
It is not necessary to post in large bolt font and underlined. sm
I am quite capable of reading what is posted. I see no way to end this other than having the administrator starting banning people. I will speak to the administrator regarding all of this.
Like you respected Bush? Give me a VERY LARGE break.
Ridiculous statement. He will get my respect when he EARNS it.
I happened in large part because mormons in utah
in our state's affairs. Sent protesters here, gave beaucoup bucks to their hate campaign. Religious right is determined to get its tentacles entwined in our country's government, no matter how low they have to sink to do it. what a bunch of retards .
GOP govs with large deficits who are increasing spending are
can be found:
1. Schwartzeneggar, California.
2. M. Jodi Rell, Connecticut
3. Sonny Perdue, Georgia
4. Linda Lingle, Hawaii
5. Tim Pawlenty, Minnesota
6. Haley Barbour, Mississippi
7. Jim Gibbons, Nevada
8. Michael Rounds, South Dakota
9. Jim Douglas, Vermont
BTW, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana is expecting to go into deficit spending this year. Despite being a socialist, commie, Kool-aid drinking comrade, I think the world of Bobby Jindal and the GOP would do well to start moving him up in the leadership ranks. I mention him just because I think it is unfair to judge the governors of any state, regardless of party, as being greedy, self-serving, or any other such nonsense in economic conditions such as these.
I would much rather see tax funds being directed toward education, road construction, infrastructure, social programs, Medicaid, etc, rather than tax cuts for the rich, corporate retreats, golden parachutes, astronomical CEO bonuses, disappearing credit stimulus funding to banks with no accountability and the like.
Read JTBB post again. She has made excellent points that pretty much sum up the situaion. Obama will be hearing from all sides in due time before he decides what to do and how to go about it. Get used to it. This is open commnication. It just looks weird to you after 8 years of behind-closed-doors secret session pseudoleadership issuing forth from hunkered-down bunkers in undisclosed locations.
Obama hopes the stimulus package is large
 How is paying for somebody's birth control gonna produce jobs or a 20 MILLION dollar minor league baseball museum, 20 million dollars at a zoo, OR 1.5 million to reduce prostitution in Ohio? This is nothing but a pork barrel project.........isn't that what Obama said he WOULD DO AWAY WITH? All pork barrel spending? What a joke!
PIx didn't come through - pictures were all of guys waving large guns around...
Guns, guns, guns and threats, threats, threats.
Amazing, a large, successful company with a heart and soul, putting America first?? Congrats to Int
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More Power To Them!
Makes me want to cry. They have been there..done that..dont ever want to again..They know the pain they will carry for the rest of their lives..More power to them..May they carry on to government and change this government and country for the better..Chickenhawks they are not..
TAKE away their power!!
There are kinds of folks in this country. There are right-wing kooks, religious kooks, left-wing kooks, serial killers, child pornographers, bigots/racists, right-wing militia people-whose-exact-names-I-forget and all types worse and better.
The thing is, in this country the decent people are the majority, whether right or left in politics/beliefs. That's why this country is so great.
When you fixate on folks who are overly negative you give them power. Please rise above the comments of those who represent a very tiny minority. I pay no attention to those who voice unreasonable beliefs and I advise you do the same. Take the power away from those people.
You have no power
run for congress, but spare me the eloquent opinions, gag.
you say that like we have any power now - nm
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Exactly what power will he take away?
What power is Obama going to take away, eh?
Our right to guns?
Or is it his communist plan or his socialist plan - both of which I posted earlier (as Obama MT) that are already present in our government under both Dem/Rep long before Obama came along?
Or is it that he's a Muslim mole about to take us over?!
Or maybe it's that he will let black people rule over white people?!
Or is it that he will force abortions on us all or make like gay people or let them all get married?
Wait, is it the one where he will force Boy Scouts to have homosexual scout masters and have to sleep in the same tent with them??!! (you've got to be joking)
Or is it he won't let us homeschool our children any more?
Or is it the one where he will actually end this war and let our soldiers come home with dignity without more of them dying?
Which power is it that he will take away?
More than half of this country feels empowered and evidently, the rest don't.
I refer you back to the website to read Homework for the Fearful. I would be doing just that if McCain were my president - and letting go of my fear and hoping for the best of all, for all.
Haven't you all had enough fear mongering from the right to last a lifetime?
Thanks for listening.
the man has only been in power sm
for two months for crying out loud! You wait and see what happens. He sits in the white house throwing money around like he has a "money tree" on the white house lawn, he wants to suddenly remove all military from Iraq (which a lot of the military are against) further exposing this country wide open to attack and you think this is a strong president. The only thing he is "strong" in is trying to promote himself, the Obama AGENDA
Wow - I wish I'd know before that I had so much power! _ SM _
If I'd known that I and others like me had the superpowers to cause the economic crisis, then I'd have also used that power to will myself about $50 million in cash beforehand.
Yes, we have power
Although this story doesn't emphasize the fact, others do. The outrage that exploded when the conservative teacher in Kansas lost his job has caused school officials to reverse their decision:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528484,00.html
Never buy into the lie that demon-crats and the media try to sell you that conservatism is dead. Not only ain't we dead, we ain't begun to fight! We're the same handful of colonial militia who defeated the whole durn British army a long time ago. First they laughed at us...and then they died.
Especially the power workers
God bless those people who came all the way down there, slept in their trucks in stifiling weather (because the media and gawking politicians hogged all the hotels that were left) and helped string line and get our power back on. They are heros, as well as all those who donated time and goods.
On the other hand, SHAME on the people from Indiana who printed up a bunch of Katrina T-shirts and had the nerve to come down there to sell them! Those who survived Katrina need no darn T-shirt proclaiming they did!
The power structure ,,,,,,, sm
This is an old clip (20 years old), but Ron Paul to goes into who they are a little bit. They do own the media so you won't see this stuff on the TV. Dr. Paul is a congressman so he is in a position to know.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4245169480003136735&hl=en
then again, perhaps it's abuse of power like
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So abuse of power is OK by you?
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Sue does. The power to become more of a liability to McC
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Honestly, it's all about power
for the democrats in office, in my opinion. They want people to depend on the government so they have more power. That's what should scare the heck out of all of us much more than if they are helping someone in need or not.
Power not granted to Bush
Power We Didn't Grant
By Tom Daschle
Friday, December 23, 2005; A21
In the face of mounting questions about news stories saying that President Bush approved a program to wiretap American citizens without getting warrants, the White House argues that Congress granted it authority for such surveillance in the 2001 legislation authorizing the use of force against al Qaeda. On Tuesday, Vice President Cheney said the president was granted authority by the Congress to use all means necessary to take on the terrorists, and that's what we've done.
As Senate majority leader at the time, I helped negotiate that law with the White House counsel's office over two harried days. I can state categorically that the subject of warrantless wiretaps of American citizens never came up. I did not and never would have supported giving authority to the president for such wiretaps. I am also confident that the 98 senators who voted in favor of authorization of force against al Qaeda did not believe that they were also voting for warrantless domestic surveillance.
On the evening of Sept. 12, 2001, the White House proposed that Congress authorize the use of military force to deter and pre-empt any future acts of terrorism or aggression against the United States. Believing the scope of this language was too broad and ill defined, Congress chose instead, on Sept. 14, to authorize all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons [the president] determines planned, authorized, committed or aided the attacks of Sept. 11. With this language, Congress denied the president the more expansive authority he sought and insisted that his authority be used specifically against Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda.
Just before the Senate acted on this compromise resolution, the White House sought one last change. Literally minutes before the Senate cast its vote, the administration sought to add the words in the United States and after appropriate force in the agreed-upon text. This last-minute change would have given the president broad authority to exercise expansive powers not just overseas -- where we all understood he wanted authority to act -- but right here in the United States, potentially against American citizens. I could see no justification for Congress to accede to this extraordinary request for additional authority. I refused.
The shock and rage we all felt in the hours after the attack were still fresh. America was reeling from the first attack on our soil since Pearl Harbor. We suspected thousands had been killed, and many who worked in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were not yet accounted for. Even so, a strong bipartisan majority could not agree to the administration's request for an unprecedented grant of
authority.
The Bush administration now argues those powers were inherently contained in the resolution adopted by Congress -- but at the time, the administration clearly felt they weren't or it wouldn't have tried to insert the additional language.
All Americans agree that keeping our nation safe from terrorists demands aggressive and innovative tactics. This unity was reflected in the near-unanimous support for the original resolution and the Patriot Act in those harrowing days after Sept. 11. But there are right and wrong ways to defeat terrorists, and that is a distinction this administration has never seemed to accept. Instead of employing tactics that preserve Americans' freedoms and inspire the faith and confidence of the American people, the White House seems to have chosen methods that can only breed fear and suspicion.
If the stories in the media over the past week are accurate, the president has exercised authority that I do not believe is granted to him in the Constitution, and that I know is not granted to him in the law that I helped negotiate with his counsel and that Congress approved in the days after Sept. 11. For that reason, the president should explain the specific legal justification for his authorization of these actions, Congress should fully investigate these actions and the president's justification for them, and the administration should cooperate fully with that investigation.
In the meantime, if the president believes the current legal architecture of our country is insufficient for the fight against terrorism, he should propose changes to our laws in the light of day.
That is how a great democracy operates. And that is how this great democracy will defeat
terrorism.
The writer, a former Democratic senator from South Dakota, was Senate majority leader in 2001-02. He is now distinguished senior fellow at the Center for American Progress.
© 2005 The Washington Post Company
Why do you give Bush the power
to do this to you?
*I die a little inside each time I see President Bush on TV or read about another dumb thing he said. It bothers me so much!!!*
Wow, if you give someone that much power over your emotions and life you have to be living a sad existence.
He's really not THAT BAD, but of course you already know that.
Sounds familiar, nut at the top has the power!
Not all socialist states have fallen to such a state, many just fizzled out like lambs. Some countries today still have socialistic parties though have not adopted full-blown socialism as an ideal and have enjoyed economic success while keeping the head dog in check.
Abuse of power/hypocrisy seems to be
What is clear is that, slimy or not, she still used her office in an inappropriate manner to influence the outcome of a family dispute. What's ethical about that? The slimy trooper and the disposition of his divorce/custody case is supposed to be left up to the family courts and it not typically resolved by manipulation and interference by the Governor's office, now is it? Ethically challenged ethics clean-up maiden. Not my idea of a great pick.
sam's right on this one. Mainly the dems in power through the past several...sm
years have abused their power and positions, and taken advantage of the situation.
While I believe a few of the republicans stood by and let it happen, they are not the majority in this.
Rich liberal democrats on Wall street and in Congress/Senate, not to mention Bill Clinton and his cronies, are the ones that bear the most blame.
And some of them are crying the loudest blaming George Bush, when it's their own fault.
Sam has posted the names and dates and all. It is the truth. Research it yourselves. Just because you don't like what she has to say, means that it's wrong.
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