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This has been ongoing for almost a year if not longer. Links inside. sm

Posted By: MT and worn out on 2008-12-14
In Reply to: Demise of the USA and Constitution?... - sm

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-2433

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4600891

On December 7, 2007, Obama introduced the Senate version of the Global Poverty Act of 2007 (S.2433). On February 13, the bill cleared the ...

The gov't already takes enough of my money. If this passes, the gov't will be taking even MORE of my money, your money, EVERYBODY'S money.

Be scared, be very scared.



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The digital conversion was rolled out over a year ago and has been ongoing constantly since...
$650 million for digital-TV coupons.

TV is going digital and it is necessary for people to be able to get converter boxes. Otherwise, no news, no TV, etc.


No pub better support this catasrophe - links inside
Since we elected these "pubs" to represent us and work for us none of them better have supported this *(%* bill. These republicans were elected to represent the people and help the country and people in the country. The dems have never done that. Spend, spend, spend, give themselves pay raises behind closed doors. Crooked deals, etc, etc. The dems (most of them) do not care about the people and that we are the ones going to end up paying for it (and our children and grandchildren). THEY DON'T CARE!!!!!! They're not going to be paying for this. They are exempt from all this. It's a disgrace! I better not hear about any republican supporting this and I will clearly support any democrat who votes against this spending plan. All this "bill" is good for is to ensure the re-election of crooked politicians.

I highly doubt this will work, as do all the other economists (to include international economist).

http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus09/alternate_version.html


http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/politicains-will-say-anything-international-economists-state-stimulus-packages-dont-work/

There are still several other lawsuits ongoing.
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ongoing debate about BC

still beating that dead horse?geeeeeezzzzz!


It is an ongoing process but...(sm)

it is seriously under-funded, which is why Obama signed legislation to delay the deadline for conversion.  That, I believe, was the whole point of putting funds for it in the stimulus.  I would guess that a lot of people do not have TVs and/or digital cable, and the coupons that the stimulus talks about would help those people who would not otherwise be able to afford to change equipment by the deadline.  Changed from Feb to (I think) July.


As far as stimulus for the economy, these coupons act as money which would go to the cable companies which creates more demand = jobs, jobs, jobs. -- people have to hook this stuff up -- people who build converter boxes -- people who make the parts for the converter boxes........etc.


Any time money is spent for, in particular, a product, it creates demand and therefore creates jobs.


It's an ongoing litany of complaints. sm

And the attack on the moderator is reprehensible.  But it is typical.  Teddy and Lurker seem to be obsessed with the fact of who I am, though truthfully, I could care less who they are.  But the moderator bit is really something.  No respect at all. 


The 1st suit is still ongoing. O has been ordered by
nm
What it probably is....is the ongoing effort of those who shall remain nameless...
but have a lot to gain by Obama losing this election.
That has been an ongoing tradition for years, not just Bush (nm)
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I have a nightmare...ongoing, starts Jan. 20th.....and for the next

We can no longer

call it the war on terror and yet look at what these terrorists say.  I just don't get it.  We are fighting a war against terrorism.  Why can't we say that?  What is so wrong with calling it like it is.  They are terrorists who want to bomb us and kill us....but OMG....don't call them terrorists. 


Seriously, if I were Obama.....I don't think I'd be comfortable with my wife and 2 little girls living in D.C. with these kinds of threats. 


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511740,00.html


My list would be much longer :) nm
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Hi Chele....I am getting that it is no longer available...
any other way to get there? Thanks!
Video no longer available.....

It appears the video that is the subject of this post was pulled from YouTube after Warner Music filed a copyright infringement claim against its producer.  Hopefully, it will reappear soon with no music or different music.  We’ll see.  In lieu of the video, the links that appear below this graphic are well worth your time to review, so scroll down now…


Below are links to news sources cited throughout the video shown in the order in which they appeared in the video:










 


The video was much better and the music was good.  It sucks they took it off, but at least here are the links that this person used to make the video.


Anyone been wondering just how much longer

this Sam person is going to totally monopolize and bully this forum, before the moderator finally steps in and boots her off? 



You are so right, and the longer more the denial goes on . . . .
the quicker their extinction.  YEA
Hopefully we will no longer be spending billions on the
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If these wars go on much longer we will need to reinstitue
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If these wars go on much longer we will need to reinstitue
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What a joke. You no longer have any credibility. nm
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Just shows that majority of USA no longer truly
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How much longer do you loons intend to
Back in the real world we have a Black Friday that has turned deadly with Walmart stampedes and Toys R Us shootouts, a death toll nearing 200 in Mumbai terrorist attacks, the Obama administration security team about to be revealed, an ADDITIONAL 800 billion dollar bail out being flushed down the bottomless black hole that is the US financial sector, while at the same time, no bail out in sight for consumers, 600 billion dollars being pumped into backing mortgage securities, a plan that seems to favor the banks over the home owners, a back-burnered obstacle course for the Big 3 bail out and scores of other pertinent and interesting subjects for discussion. Yet here we are...day 3 or 4 (I've lost count), mired down in this bog of BC blather.

This discussion has advanced from the sublime to the ridiculous. We now have posters who, with a perfectly straight face, are trying to orchestrate an ill-advised, exhortative grass roots movement to dump thousands upon thousands of our hard-earned dollars to bolster this mob-mentality driven, collectively delusional, pathologic attempt to unseat our country's President-Elect. This, despite the fact that no amount of frivolous law suits is going to affect the ultimate outcome of this fool's folly. It take a whole lot of gall to justify begging for financial backing for such a ludicrous, self-serving agenda to nowhere.
Greed and corruptionhas been going on longer than

 you think, from the beginning of time. It's just now more in the open with the media and technology. It wasn't just "under the Republicans" as you state. It's been going on under the dems, too, and still going on. Look at Barney Fife and some of the others. Some get caught, others do not.


If you look at the websites for contributions, then the pork, you would know what I'm talking about.


uh, helllllooooo its been longer than one night
It's been six weeks. That may not be a long time but you would think in those 6 weeks there would be at least one little small thing that would be good. But nothing...nada....zip. Just talk of gloom and doom, it's going to get worse, I'm going to have to break some of my promises to you, yada yada yada. Six weeks and not one inkling of hope. No, it's been six weeks and more people are losing their jobs, more people are losing their homes, more people are losing their pensions, kids are graduating from school but have no jobs to go to. His ratings are dropping like a lead weight. The rate it keeps going I'm going to be laughing in a couple years when America has the opportunity to vote again for new members in congress/senate.

So what are we going to hear later..."it's only been 6 months" or "it's only been a year" or "it's only been 4 years".
Psssst - Art Bell is no longer on the air.
Just to keep you up on things. There is a show called Coast to Coast but George Nouri hosts it.

I actually don't listen to him...comes on too late at night and I just don't like him as an interviewer, but sometimes he'll have an interesting guest.

But I always keep an open mind. However, you are correct, there are some nutcases out there. All we have to do is look at this last election to realize its true with what we got stuck with.
Whoops, I mean the longer their denial . . . .
but I'm sure my point is made.  Now go ahead, Flamers!
The Supreme Court won't stop him for much longer.

Thate 5-3 decision would have been a 5-4 decision, had Roberts not recused himself from ruling due to his prior ruling in the case at a lower court.


Alito and Roberts are Bush loyalists who will vote in his favor every time.  Same with Scalia and Thomas.


Justice John Paul Stevens, who wrote the majority opinion, is 86.  This means there is a very good chance that Bush will have the opportunity to appoint a third Supreme Court Justice, thus negatively tipping and fixing the scales of justice for decades to come, long after Bush is gone.  Some radical right-wingers (including Ann Coulter) have publicly called for the assassination of a Supreme Court Justice, and Pat Robertson has been *praying* for another Bush appointment.  If/when that happens, freedom as we know it in the United States will be gone for generations. 


In the meantime, the current Supreme Court ruling won't mean much.  They're already talking about creating a law to make Bush's tactics legal.


Not that even THAT would matter much.  Bush hasn't agreed with Congress' laws 750 times since he's been in office, and he's issued *signing statements* allowing him to ignore the law.


He apparently views himself as having expanded Presidential powers in a time of war.  Maybe that's a large part of the true reason we're at war with Iraq.


says "we're sorry...this video is no longer available...nm
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HELLOOO...It took your guy a LOT longer to make the mess!
...don't you worry about it.
The longer this goes on, the bigger terrorist breading ground sm
Iraq becomes. This is getting past ridiculous. Now, I don't think we should just pull out, but I think we need to let them have it, and there will be more US casualties, and get out ASAP.
Bidens words - no longer $250K - Now $150K (nm)
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If this nation is to survive, it is no longer US VERSUS THEM, we have to find a way to .....sm
stand united, and when our representatives are proposing or propositioning or supporing something that is NOT supported by the PEOPLE, their constituents, then we have to make calls, write letters, fax, vote, ect. I believe this two party system is doomed and that it is antiquated, there is such an ideological wall between the two parties that nothing will get done with all the finger pointing, blaming, etc. The American people are wise enough to know what is good for them, what works for them (and I mean a majority of us, not "chosen few" of Wall Street, lobbyists, oil interests, etc)., the representatives have to come back to the people. So sick of the blame game and insults, if we love this country and "the American way of life" we had all better band together, work together, LISTEN to each other's fears and needs, and concentrate on now and THE FUTURE, the long-haul. Just my humble opinion, this is all getting old and tired, and such a waste of time and energy. Instead of insulting on this board, perhaps we can spend time getting in touch with our representatives' offices, and perhaps getting a broader base of support for the Independent Party (isn't independce what we are all about?) IMHO
Thanks for the links! nm
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thanks for the links
I will check them out after finishing my IC work!
I am still an IC and I don't know why my taxes are high, I have been doing it for over 10 years, but I have an accountant do them, and I pay quarterly's yes I do... I still always end up paying at the end of the year even if I try to calculate it correctly because of deductions I thought I had, etc. The only thing that changed in my personal life was two years ago I bought a house. Did that cover the questions?

I just don't trust either politician, but align myself with the Republican values more strongly.
Thanks for the links....sm
...but this was the year after she was no longer the mayor of Wasilla, and three years before she became governor, so she was not in office in 2003. I notice they don't even try to link her name to this. I'm sure they would have, if they could have.


Anyway, sure doesn't excuse the drug problem in the communities, though. I still don't like it one bit.

Links

I do not understand why so many links are put on this board?


On a blog forum one should put one's own opinion, not what is posted on the internet.  At least one should put it in one's own words.


Here are the links again...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html


http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101837.html


http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htchem/articles/20060123.aspx


Here's two links...sm
First off, when you have a private meeting with the president, it's private. But then parts of it were leaked to the press. Then the White house asked for a retraction of false statements made by Obama camp. Then the Obama camp retracted what they said.



There's more to it than these two stories, but these are the best I can find at the moment.


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/11/obama-urges-bush-help-auto-indusstry/

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Business/story?id=6231372&page=1


Links
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2129667/posts

This link has a clip:
http://motownsports.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1685563
Some links for you
Sorry it took so long. I kept reading about his plans to keep the military over there but sure enough when I want to find the exact article I can't. Here are some articles I did find. (P.S. - I think it odd the person who is chosen for SoS position (Billiary) is the same person who said they would "obliterate Iran". Am sure that's going to go over well with them.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/04/obama-adviser-keep-80000-troops-in-iraq/

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1857338,00.html

http://www.laboreducator.org/troopshome.htm

Here's what some people say (so it's not just me) -

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081112052420AAQI2Su

And here's one of the scariest things I've heard (out of Obama's own mouth - if you can listen to it without watching his eyes read the teleprompter). He's pretty much telling us "Yes I can make us defenseless".

http://msunderestimated.com/2008/03/01/obamas-plans-for-our-military-video/

Links...(sm)

Warning:  On this first one there are some terrible pics, but I posted this for the text.


http://www.staticbrain.com/archive/pentagon-censors-soldiers-access-to-internet/


On this one, please note where he says *When you’re in an environment where you don’t have access to any information sources, independent or otherwise, all you can do is conjecture. We didn’t have any access to newspapers or the Internet. *


http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2008-03-14/article/29458?headline=Iraq-Veteran-Speaks-Out-Against-War


Here's a reality check for you:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOj7Nxcn6gg&feature=related


Here's two links for you
These were posted before some of the crap was taken out, so some of it may be old, but these give a good idea how the government plans to spend our money, and our children's money, and our grandchildren's money, etc.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123204034869386185.html



This one uses Adobe.



http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/AmericanReinvestment2009115

Here's the links for ya.

 


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iVg2jiaBA1jwVfCdsisXI0FbZD0AD965BKCG0



 


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29030191/


See links
http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/3817

http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=cubanosenmiami&message.id=55144


See links
http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/3817

http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=cubanosenmiami&message.id=55144


What is it with these links today?

SM, better links than supplied by OPs

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/01/019637.php


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1200572509823&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


 


Can you give links on any of this....
other than..."I heard..." Believe me, the way auto sales are falling, if they could manufacture one that ran on water and sold for $1200 they would be selling them, because $1200 is better than zero...good grief. Talk about your conspiracy theories. All the automakers are downsizing and grasping to try to sell cars and they would NOT ignore something they could build and sell cheap...simple economics 101. The Wal-mart approach to car sales, and they all know how successful wal-mart is, because all the pieties about "I only buy American" and "offshoring" fall to the wayside in favor of "cheap." All those same people who gripe about wal-mart buying overseas and supposedly mistreating their employees run over each other to get to the sales, and don't think they don't. Typical Democrat mantra...do as we say, not as we DO.

As to the car McCain offered the bounty for on the battery...he was talking about one that would replace what is in use now...not one whose top end is 30 mph and you have to charge it after an hour. Good grief, get your facts straight. :-) I am sure he meant one that would at least do 50 mph and you could drive it to the quick pick and back without having to plug it in. That being said, I did see where Toyota (on the US side) is working on technology to attach solar panels to charge batteries. Of course, that would mean leaving that sweeetttt little sports car out in the sun...ahem. Bet Teddy Kennedy won't be buying one and I bet RFK Jr. won't either...lol. Gotta love'em. DO as we SAY...not as we DO.
Links provided
The words were witnessed by two McCain aides and three reporters who did not report it at the time.

If it wasn’t true there would be lawsuits (which there are not). And with him running for president you KNOW he would be denying it as he is denying other things, but he is not denying it.

Here are the links below where this information can be found. Many more links but I think five are enough.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/02/194648.php

http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/Articles/Opinion/Columns/2008/04/15/23789/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/8/17456/91972/887/492360

http://agonist.org/schecter/?p=8571

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=536_1210293502


URLs or links only, please. nm

Terrorist links
Can you PROVE beyond a shadow of DOUBT that this is TRUE?? sheesh!!