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This is exactly what I mean when I say America is very confused.nm

Posted By: LVMT on 2006-07-04
In Reply to: This is another good one. - Lurker

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Ok - still confused
I'm reading all these posts to the original poster and I am just lost. I have no idea what all this means and don't know what it has to do with politics. Guess I am just dense tonight.
You got me confused with sam. I really
nm
I'm a little confused.
I watched Bush's blurb last night. Can someone clearly explain to me how what he is proposing will get us out of trouble? I'm being sincere, I just don't get it.
I'm a little confused...
what happened? I'm sorry I haven't been watching the news lately... :(


I'm confused . . .
You respond to one divisive post with your own divisive post, but you agree with me? I am an independent who has actually voted for Republican, Democrat and third-party candidates, so I am certainly not closed minded. I am just bored reading the same arguments over and over and over.
ok, am way too confused
too many posts, too late in the day, not enough caffeine, think I better take a break from this. My apologies if I offended you. I just have very strong beliefs and I get defensive when people bash me and I defend myself and they turn around and say its all my fault.

Anyway...again apologies if I offended you and many apologies if I've been replying to the wrong person.
I'm Confused SM



I'm a little  confused.  Let me see if I have this straight . .  . 

* If  you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents,  you're
 'exotic,  different.'
*  Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers,  a  quintessential American
story.

* If  your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic  Muslim.
*  Name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you're a  maverick.



*  Graduate from Harvard law School and you are  unstable.
*  Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're  well grounded.


       * If  you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer,  become

the  first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a  voter
registration drive that registers  150,000 new voters, spend 12
years as a Constitutional Law  professor,  spend 8 years as a  State
Senator representing a district with  over 750,000 people, become
chairman of the state Senate's  Health and Human Services  committee,
spend 4 years in the   United  States Senate representing  a
state of  13 million people  while sponsoring 131 bills and  serving
on  the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and  Veteran's
Affairs committees, you don't have  any real leadership experience.


      

* If  your total resume is: local weather girl,  4 years on the  city
council and 6 years as the mayor of  a town with less than 7,000
people, 20 months as the governor of  a state with only 650,000
people, then you're qualified to  become the country's second
highest ranking  executive.
  

*  If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years  while
raising 2 beautiful daughters, all  within Protestant churches,
you're not a real  Christian.


     


























* If  you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and  left
your  disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month,  you're
a  Christian.

*  If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex  education,
including the proper use of birth  control, you are eroding the
fiber of  society.


   * If  , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only,  with


no  other option in sex education in your state's school  system
while your unwed teen daughter ends  up pregnant , you're very
responsible.

 
*  If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a  position
in a  prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her  inner
city  community, then gave that up to raise a family, your  family's
values don't represent   America 's.


    

      * If  you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude',  with at least  one


DWI  conviction and no college education, who didn't register  to
vote  until age 25 and once was a member of a group that  advocated
the  secession of Alaska from the   USA , your family is  extremely
admirable.

OK,  much clearer now.

I think you are a little confused sm
It's not about giving part of my money to you, it's about fairness in taxes. Right now, GW Bush gives a great deep tax cut to people making over $250K and he is just going to take that tax break and apply it to those making less and who are now struggling with their salaries trying to pay for gas etc. A lot of the time, the rich aren't even asking for the greater tax break... GW just applied it across the board. They will still be rich but the middle class needs a break. This isn't about welfare. It's about working families like you and your husband. You will not get a handout. You will still pay taxes but you will not pay a inordinate amount that is out of proportion to your income. That's all it is.
I'm confused...
in your original post you were talking about minimum wage earners and then you say you paid them very well - which is it? Not trying to argue, just trying to understand who thinks minimum wage is paying very well?
I'm confused. Her? Him? Who?
nm
I think you are confused.
You contradict yourself in your own post.

you must be confused
My previous post said PEOPLE were to blame for not living within their means. Nobody forced them to take out loans they knew darn good and well they would never be able to pay back.

It really burns me that I am going to pay for THEIR stupidity. I live within my means. Everyone else should too.

I seriously don't think you mean to say that they were forced into taking these loans out. If that's what you meant, you must be delusional.
I am NOT confused.
I did not say they were forced to take them out--I said that lenders were forced to give them out. Had that not happened, this mess would not have happened. It does NOT just affect the people who live outside their means, it affects the whole economy; therefore, I hold those responsible for forcing the loans to be given more responsible than those greedy enough to take them! If you see it differently, perhaps you are delusional.
you are confused
America is very unusual in that if you are born here you are a citizen. Most other countries are NOT like that! You are a citizen of the country of your parents! Please look this UP!
Oh, I am NOT confused, but I would be if I
nm
I think you have me confused

with another poster.  I have 3 kids, all teens.  My husband and I both work 2 jobs.  The last vacation we had that was more than a day's drive from our home ---- oh yeah, never.  We live in the midwest and have never even seen the ocean. 


I disagree about the minimum wage hike being the answer.  The problem is the huge percentage of the population that has zero work ethic.  Even if you raised the minimum wage, those with the entitlement personality would still only work to get enough for their immediate gratification.  They won't do the math and see that if they stayed in this higher-minimum-wage job for an entire year they would finally get ahead of the game.  They only want to get ahead of the game on somebody else's blood, sweat and tears.  I don't feel sorry for them if they are not willing to work. 


It's not fair for the young teen who is busting his butt at McDonald's or some other minimum wage job to sock it away for college or his first car to get let go because the minimum wage was raised.   


I'm glad you want to help people - I do too. It's just not the right solution to the problem.  Dear.


I don't think they are the ones who are confused, here.

You must have me confused with
someone else.  I have never quoted the bible. 
You must have me confused with
someone else.  I have never quoted the bible.    135?  Really? I would think that'd help you keep posters and their messages straight. 
You must have me confused with
someone else.  I have never quoted the bible.    135?  Really? I would think that'd help you keep other posters and their messages straight. 
I'm doing okay, just a little confused (LOL

I'm starting to get some rather worrisome, more classic symptoms of my cystic fibrosis, so I might not be around as much for a while again.)


As far as JTBB, I hope she's okay, but I doubt that anything could hold her back.  Same with "m".  And I'm glad.  You and those two are my favorites on this board, and if there weren't polite, decent, "follow the Golden Rule" type on this board, I'd have no reason at all to visit here.


Don't know if you'll be seeing me in the next few days.  If not, I hope you have a great week.  You're definitely a class act. 


By the way, you're welcome, but the way I see it, it wasn't even a compliment, it was merely the truth!


Poor kid, he is confused, isn't he?

These people are obviously confused

The U.S. is not Israel.  Shouldn't they should be demonstrating in Jerusalem.  


I'm confused. Who do you hate more...
nm
I'm confused - can somebody explain

Okay, I don't have a fancy law degree.  Did sit on jury duty for a week some years ago, but this I don't understand.  I thought there was something about rumors and gossip was not a legal basis in a case, but today I heard this (on a more liberal station), that there is an investigation into what Governor Sarah Palin did to her ex-brother-in-law, and the lawyers on Obama's side are having people testify under oath to what they've heard as rumor and gossip and it will be included in the investigation.


Can they do that?  Like I say I'm not a lawyer, but I always thought rumors and gossip were not allowed in testimonies.


Hey, i think you have me confused with that other poster!
I was being sarcastic about conforming. I see what Bush has gotten us. I'm on your side!
sorry, my little brain got confused by all the
If my grandma, mother, etc died today, I wouldn't say any of those things because I would be with my family grieving the loss.  Obviously, Obama doesn't care that much or he'd be there with his family. 
You are a bit confused, dear.
I also bike, so spare me your suggestions, especially since it is quite evident that it has not really done a whole lot in the way of relieving your frustrations. You might want to bump it up. Perhaps you could try doubling your current schedule. It might start to make a dent in all that resentment you exude.

I'm not the sm who posted the article or ditzil (both of whose posts contained nothing but upbeat sentiment) which YOU decided to take issue with (and in your next breath are now trying to promote "positivity.") When you got all snippy, ditzil called you on it in no uncertain terms, with which I agree with because she described the tone of your post most accurately as sounding profoundly miserable and alienated. I simply chimed in to lend her my support and did not start anything here. In fact, you might want to look at the thread and notice it did not turn south until you showed up.

Your third paragraph has confirmed what I originally suspected. You sounded rather disingenuous in your other post when trying to claim to be supportive of Obama "for all the right reasons." My post to you has nothing to do with "whirling," little to do with your opinion and everything to do with your stinky attitude, so your attempts to belittle "crats" is a nonsequiter.

Your fixation on the chili dogs and cheesey fries perhaps can be explained by some unrequited calorie envy you harbor as you maintain that svelte 118-pound perfect bod. It certainly would explain why you are in such a bad mood. In any case, the point of the OP, ditzil and some of the posts that appear below was to talk about the difference between O and W, i.e., getting down with the public versus keeping above the fray of the hoi-polloi and the relief they feel to have a Prez who is more down-to-earth.

Guess you are just one of those folks who would rather gnash your teeth and regurgitate a whole bunch of ugly than to try to follow a thread and understand what the posters are really trying to say.
You are a bit confused, dear.
I also bike, so spare me your suggestions, especially since it is quite evident that it has not really done a whole lot in the way of relieving your frustrations. You might want to bump it up. Perhaps you could try doubling your current schedule. It might start to make a dent in all that resentment you exude.

I'm not the sm who posted the article or ditzil (both of whose posts contained nothing but upbeat sentiment) which YOU decided to take issue with (and in your next breath are now trying to promote "positivity.") When you got all snippy, ditzil called you on it in no uncertain terms, with which I agree with because she described the tone of your post most accurately as sounding profoundly miserable and alienated. I simply chimed in to lend her my support and did not start anything here. In fact, you might want to look at the thread and notice it did not turn south until you showed up.

Your third paragraph has confirmed what I originally suspected. You sounded rather disingenuous in your other post when trying to claim to be supportive of Obama "for all the right reasons." My post to you has nothing to do with "whirling," little to do with your opinion and everything to do with your stinky attitude, so your attempts to belittle "crats" is a nonsequiter.

Your fixation on the chili dogs and cheesey fries perhaps can be explained by some unrequited calorie envy you harbor as you maintain that svelte 118-pound perfect bod. It certainly would explain why you are in such a bad mood. In any case, the point of the OP, ditzil and some of the posts that appear below was to talk about the difference between O and W, i.e., getting down with the public versus keeping above the fray of the hoi-polloi and the relief they feel to have a Prez who is more down-to-earth.

Guess you are just one of those folks who would rather gnash your teeth and regurgitate a whole bunch of ugly than to try to follow a thread and understand what the posters are really trying to say.
sorry, I'm confused. Are you referring to GW
regarding historic precident?

Funny you should quote BJ. That was my argument against the Patriot Act.
No she is not confused, Beck has taken up
btw, I don't mean to offend you with the Colbert clip. It just came to mind as an example when I read the thread.
Yes, you are a bit confused. I answered
your posts - this is a free forum, isn't it? - and you referred to me as JTBB.

Do not try to justify your insensitivity with 'I was just joking', this is lame. Because you were NOT joking. You find all the torture and cruelty done to prisoners amusing and entertaining, as you decorate your comments with .. 'LOL, ROFL, Geez etc....'
I agree with you too - okay I'm soooooo confused
I'm way too confused in all this.

I do know since the beginning of time the democrats have always spent and taxed citizens (middle income to help pay for their programs. Bill Clinton was doing it, Jimmy Carter did it. They don't know when to stop spending. He used to say he considered middle income 200K, now he says middle income is up to 250K. I don't trust a democratic present to give us a straight story. This can be a very confusing time. Maybe I just won't even vote. Then at least I won't be blamed if the wrong one gets put in there.
That's where you're confused.... I don't care
you've gotten all your constitution gibberish from the news media. I can guarantee you YOU don't even know what the constitution says, 'cause if you did, you wouldn't be voting for Obama.
Shhh, they don't want to be confused with FACTS.
You're going to burst their fantasy bubble with those pesky facts! ;)
Are you literate or just dazed and confused?
The post you replied to mentions nothing about Bush. It does not refer to US elections. The OP is accurate to a T and is referring to the partisan election politics in ISRAEL, a subject I am sure you know next to nothing about, so even if you could read, you probably would not be able to make a coherent statement in reply. If you are trying to be cute, you are failing miserably.
Wait. I'm confused. Just yesterday we saw
NOTHING is more important from a president than - Natl Security. THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH. This appeared just three threads below this one.

So which is it, GOP? Natl security or the economy? Both? Neither? I am anxiously awaiting my next directive from on high.
Tired, confused, premenstrual?

"I used to be a democrat and I used to be a republican and I used to be an independent, and I used to be a green party/constitutional party."


Bipolar? Is that a party?


 


You're confused - she was raised in Idaho
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This board is never peaceful,,, she's confused and rude nm
nm
What about special rights for the 'morally confused?'
Talk about special privileges.
Read older posts. If I'm confused, so are many others here who
know you change your moniker at will, Dutchess.
You seem confused, dear. Militant is a military concept.
As soon as you and your party sports its bigotry and hate toward an entire religious population and their culture, attempt to pass it off as some sort of twisted, chest-beating patriotism, add insult to injury by labeling that patriotism as an universal American value and then proceed to use that to justify defaming a fellow American of such extraordinary class and character, you have earned every single drop of anger that you receive in return.

Wanna know who is truly angry and bitter? That would be those "lower bracket" citizens who have lost their homes, are 3 months behind on their mortgage payments, are unemployed, have been outsourced and sold out by their own government and are not making a living wage in an economy of runaway housing, gas, food, drug and medical costs. They are the ones who will be giving the boot to the party that would expect them to endure 4 more years of being lied to about the obscene, senseless wars they wage, politics of fear, corporate corruption and bankrolling tax cuts to help their struggling rich upper crusts and prop up their their trickle up economic schemes. We are down to counting lame duck days in measures of months, weeks, days, minutes and seconds. We have jumped the Hope Train to a better, brighter future and our destination is just around the bend.
Wait. I'm confused. I thought the Maverick and Rogue
It's not so much change "into" something else...more like change "away from" where we've been. Chicken Little prognostications are prejudicial and unfounded. Judging the last 8 years and 90%...not so much.
Read this closely. You've confused me with other posters.
And you jump on me like I'm the other poster(s) that you were railing about.

Geez, at least try to address the correct poster when you go on your rants.

It's very unbecoming.


A DIFFERENT AMERICA...sm

The author has strong opinions, but I think he is right on!


Simon Winchester's recap of the events of April 18, 1906.


Teddy Roosevelt was President the morning San Francisco was hit by its devastating earthquake.


We were a DIFFERENT AMERICA then, Puppies. Just read this:


1. There was no warning...ZERO...than anything was amiss. Unlike August, 2005, there was no 10 days of warning ahead of the disaster. There were no satellites, no wireless, no TV.
2. In a city of 400,000...3,000 died and 225,000 were homeless. This happened in minutes...not days. At 5:12 a.m., the massive tectonic shake brought down a city, Rich and Poor alike.
3. The military responded instantly...in 153 minutes, the troops from the Presidio presented themselves...armed and ready...to the Mayor
. Unlike the appalling delays with Katrina, the General in charge took instant command and moved his troops. FEMA stalled everything, including relief water trucks from Wal-Mart! (Ask yourself what sort of people we have become...when we need to wait for a Permission Slip from Brownie to move to help our neighbors?)
4. Mayor Schmiz, commandeered a boat to rush to Oakland, to wire the news to America. (Via Morse Code): San Francisco is in ruins. Our city needs help. 9 simple words. Which was how America found out about the catastrophe. No CNN. No Fox. No Geraldo. And how America responded.
5. The first relief train from L.A. arrived that night. Packed with food and clothing. Nobody in LaLa Land had to ask. They just DID IT. And there was no FEMA to turn back the train.
6. The Navy and the Coast Guard rushed in ships and boats to help. Nobody needed to go through channels.
7. The NEXT DAY Congress had passed legislation that allowed Roosevelt to dispatch rescue trains west....including the LARGEST HOSPITAL TRAIN EVER ASSEMBLED!!!. How is it, way back in 1916, from a standing start, Congress could assemble a massive train like that...when Bush had a hospital ship offshore (the Bataan)...which was never used????
8. The guy in charge of the Post Office issued an order...signed by him, that NO UNSTAMPED LETTER WAS TO BE HELD UP FOR LACK OF POSTAGE!
Can you IMAGINE any of our functionaries in today's wimp world of CAN'T DO Americans...issuing an order like that!! The brave pilots who got relegated to Kennel Duty for rescuing civilians know better.


Winchester does not mention the wonderful story of the founder of the Bank of America...who stood on the sidewalk and made sure his depositors could get cash, even as the bank lay in ruins. That speaks to an ATTITUDE about HELPING everyday Americans, and not just the Tax Pampered rich.


IN TODAY'S AMERICA...THE PUBLIC DOESN'T MATTER. INSTEAD...AT ALL COST PROTECT YOUR JOB, YOUR SENIORITY, YOUR RETIREMENT PACKAGE. Go along, shut up and mind your business.


America..where are you?
Tens of thousands, both American and Iraqi, have died for NOTHING..and when the truth is told finally, we will see the war was based on lies.  Bush and his crew need to have something done to them, stand trial, impeachment, imprisonment, whatever..we cannot let this crime against humanity just slide by.  I am outraged by it all and deeply saddened but I did not lose a loved one in this immoral war..I cannot even begin to think how I would react if I had lost someone to a war that did not have to be waged..I know, for sure, I would be one extremely rageful person..Give me a president who has had love affairs because of his weakness of loving women anyday over a president who loves to kill and wage war.  I cannot believe what America is becoming..There are truly bad times..
America's war on the web


America's war on the web

While the US remains committed to hunting down al-Qaeda operatives, it is now taking the battle to new fronts. Deep within the Pentagon, technologies are being deployed to wage the war on terror on the internet, in newspapers and even through mobile phones. Investigations editor Neil Mackay reports



IMAGINE a world where wars are fought over the internet; where TV broadcasts and newspaper reports are designed by the military to confuse the population; and where a foreign armed power can shut down your computer, phone, radio or TV at will.

In 2006, we are just about to enter such a world. This is the age of information warfare, and details of how this new military doctrine will affect everyone on the planet are contained in a report, entitled The Information Operations Roadmap, commissioned and approved by US secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld and seen by the Sunday Herald.

The Pentagon has already signed off $383 million to force through the document’s recommendations by 2009. Military and intelligence sources in the US talk of “a revolution in the concept of warfare”. The report orders three new developments in America’s approach to warfare:

Firstly, the Pentagon says it will wage war against the internet in order to dominate the realm of communications, prevent digital attacks on the US and its allies, and to have the upper hand when launching cyber-attacks against enemies.

Secondly, psychological military operations, known as psyops, will be at the heart of future military action. Psyops involve using any media – from newspapers, books and posters to the internet, music, Blackberrys and personal digital assistants (PDAs) – to put out black propaganda to assist government and military strategy. Psyops involve the dissemination of lies and fake stories and releasing information to wrong-foot the enemy.

Thirdly, the US wants to take control of the Earth’s electromagnetic spectrum, allowing US war planners to dominate mobile phones, PDAs, the web, radio, TV and other forms of modern communication. That could see entire countries denied access to telecommunications at the flick of a switch by America.

Freedom of speech advocates are horrified at this new doctrine, but military planners and members of the intelligence community embrace the idea as a necessary development in modern combat.

Human rights lawyer John Scott, who chairs the Scottish Centre for Human Rights, said: “This is an unwelcome but natural development of what we have seen. I find what is said in this document to be frightening, and it needs serious parliamentary scrutiny.”

Crispin Black – who has worked for the Joint Intelligence Committee, and has been an Army lieutenant colonel, a military intelligence officer, a member of the Defence Intelligence Staff and a Cabinet Office intelligence analyst who briefed Number 10 – said he broadly supported the report as it tallied with the Pentagon’s over-arching vision for “full spectrum dominance” in all military matters.

“I’m all for taking down al-Qaeda websites. Shutting down enemy propaganda is a reasonable course of action. Al-Qaeda is very good at [information warfare on the internet], so we need to catch up. The US needs to lift its game,” he said.

This revolution in information warfare is merely an extension of the politics of the “neoconservative” Bush White House. Even before getting into power, key players in Team Bush were planning total military and political domination of the globe. In September 2000, the now notorious document Rebuilding America’s Defences – written by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a think-tank staffed by some of the Bush presidency’s leading lights – said that America needed a “blueprint for maintaining US global pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power-rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests”.

The PNAC was founded by Dick Cheney, the vice-president; Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary; Bush’s younger brother, Jeb; Paul Wolfowitz, once Rumsfeld’s deputy and now head of the World Bank; and Lewis Libby, Cheney’s former chief of staff, now indicted for perjury in America.

Rebuilding America’s Defences also spoke of taking control of the internet. A heavily censored version of the document was released under Freedom of Information legislation to the National Security Archive at George Washington University in the US.

The report admits the US is vulnerable to electronic warfare. “Networks are growing faster than we can defend them,” the report notes. “The sophistication and capability of … nation states to degrade system and network operations are rapidly increasing.”

T he report says the US military’s first priority is that the “department [of defence] must be prepared to ‘fight the net’”. The internet is seen in much the same way as an enemy state by the Pentagon because of the way it can be used to propagandise, organise and mount electronic attacks on crucial US targets. Under the heading “offensive cyber operations”, two pages outlining possible operations are blacked out.

Next, the Pentagon focuses on electronic warfare, saying it must be elevated to the heart of US military war planning. It will “provide maximum control of the electromagnetic spectrum, denying, degrading, disrupting or destroying the full spectrum of communications equipment … it is increasingly important that our forces dominate the electromagnetic spectrum with attack capabilities”. Put simply, this means US forces having the power to knock out any or all forms of telecommunications on the planet.



After electronic warfare, the US war planners turn their attention to psychological operations: “Military forces must be better prepared to use psyops in support of military operations.” The State Department, which carries out US diplomatic functions, is known to be worried that the rise of such operations could undermine American diplomacy if uncovered by foreign states. Other examples of information war listed in the report include the creation of “Truth Squads” to provide public information when negative publicity, such as the Abu Ghraib torture scandal, hits US operations, and the establishment of “Humanitarian Road Shows”, which will talk up American support for democracy and freedom.

The Pentagon also wants to target a “broader set of select foreign media and audiences”, with $161m set aside to help place pro-US articles in overseas media.

02 April 2006


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Like 70% of America, I have BES sm
(Bush Exasperation Syndrome), same with Congress. I am active in trying to do something about it though. Tommy Chong has common sense, and Paris is just the art of distraction day in and day out by the media to keep people from paying attention to the real issues. Sure wish people would wake up. Real news: 3,682 dead US soliders. Very sad photo from Rosie's blog. http://www.rosie.com/blog/files/headers/53_large_4mkep2w-1.jpg
And that is what America is all about....
finding common ground. I agree also with your points here...and I am not 100% on McCain, there are some issues there too. But he comes way closer to what I think is good for the country than Obama does, and that has to be my main concern in this election. Because of the Dem stand on abortion and spending and many other things, it would be difficult to vote for a Dem anyway who was hard line. Now you take Zell Miller...there is a Democrat I could love. Old school conservative Democrat like a lot of my family. God bless'em. Their party has left them behind. :)
america first
There is no way we can put the world on our shoulders anymore.