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This is not about race whatsoever. You are falling

Posted By: for the left spin...pathetic. nm on 2008-10-15
In Reply to: I may get bashed for this - but ...

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There is nothing whatsoever here to indicate
Try to wrap your white matter around this: You are not a dark-skinned biracial male who grew up on a couple of continents. You did not have the privilege of receiving an enriching multicultural education by the time you were a young teen. You did not have to come to terms with the paradox of having been raised by loving whites on the one hand and witness hateful racism on the other, nor did you have to figure out who you are in any setting that even remotely resembles this scenario.

The innuendo that underpins this post is precisely the source of the difficulties and challenges faced by such individuals who find themselves in the throes of understanding their place in the world. You cannot begin to speculate about, much less understand the process one has gone through that allowed that confused young teenager to evolve into a successful, inspiring, history-making (in McCain's own words) young African-AMERICAN presidential candidate of the United States of America, where to our deepest shame, the racism that would seek to hold him back is alive and well.
There is nothing whatsoever eloquent
You 2 sound like a couple of old bitties. Obama supporters are not a cult. This is what enthusiastic joyful support of a president looks like. Most of us are thanking our lucky stars that the shrub did not manage to snuff that out all together.

I agree with one of the posters below. If you keep on trying to turn hope and change into curse words, you deserve all the misery you apparently are wallowing in and will only succeed in marginalizing yourselves even further. There is nothing you can say or do to stop this train. Time to suck it up and get on with your lives, if you can even remember what that means beyond your uglier than ugly 24/7/365 witch hunt.

Do you have any clue whatsoever....(sm)

what the perks of being president are?  Along with his salary, he also gets an annual $50,000 entertainment expense account, just like previous presidents have received.  Did you gripe about Bush entertaining people at the White House while he was running up the deficit?  I doubt it.


http://abcnews.go.com/Business/CEOProfiles/story?id=6806414&page=1


No intimidation whatsoever. I actually agree
are left alone after school, pawned off on others, etc., but nothing I've seen thus far causes me to believe Palin is an apathetic mother. You said yourself you have not had the luxury of not working, and there are countless others in your predicament, which is why the schools offer breakfast and afterschool activities, so that children can stay safe under those circumstances. Not every single person who leaves their children has a choice.

I do not have enough information to say that Palin is one of those people that pawns their children off on others or that she ever would be. There are 2 parents, and maybe their father is going to be with the children while the mother works and I do not see a thing wrong with that, nor do a lot of other people to whom I have spoken. I don't feel it is my place to make that judgment when I don't even know the woman, especially not based on what I see on television. I don't know how anyone could jump to any conclusion about her as a mother based on what little is known.


There is no force involved whatsoever. I do it
because I "choose" to do what the Bible commands.  I love the Lord and want to do what His Word says.  There is nothing forced about.  If you don't think it's a sin, that is your perogative.  I, however, feel that it is and that is my perogative, too. 
I take no joy whatsoever in watching W's mouthpiece
make a mockery of human decency and insult the intelligence of the American public. However, I do find your weak effort to dodge these issues by focusing on the future versus the acting SOS fairly comical and pretty transparent.

Israel violated the Gaza cease fire on November 4, 2008, US election day, when it sent a raid into the Gaza Strip, killing 6 Hamas, a small detail omitted from US mainstream media reports and admininstration press releases. One has to wonder what lit that fire, after a near-5-month lull in the hostilities. This incident initiated the deterioration of the truce that led to this most recent round of Israeli attacks on Gaza.

This morning Condeleeza Rice said that Bush and Olmert were "on the same page" and reiterated that phrase of "lasting and durable" cease fire which was repeated numerous times by W's spokesperson a few days back in a brief press conference. In the same breath, we are hearing about how Bush supports the the continuation of the attacks unabated and that a ceasefire must "not allow a re-establishment of status quo ante" for continued rocket launches by Hamas out of Gaza. This begs the question, what are the objectives of these air strikes and threatened ground invasion?

Here is what seems to be a fairly even-handed and interesting analysis.
http://www.alternet.org/audits/115951/what_is_israel's_'mission'_in_gaza/

Basically, what we have here is an attempt to overturn the results of a legitimate election, Israeli party politics, restoring the tarnished reputation of the IDF butcher brigades after Lebanon and trying to keep a puppet president who has stated his desire to step down in office long enough to figure out how to further manipulate Palestinian political parties into submission via the divide-and-conquer route.

I guess some might think those are really good reasons to sacrifice a few Israeli soldiers, even a civilian or two along the way, and hundreds of their Palestinian counterparts in a 100:1 Palestinian/Israeli fatality ratio (bound to increase 10-fold with a ground invasion) in the name of democracy and Israel's national security.

Dude, where's my diplomacy?
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. None. nm

Yes, take those words out of context and use them. Right, no flame whatsoever.
But I'm not interested in Barack, either, and I'm not alone in this thinking. However, I guess my apprehension is spot on if your idea of not flaming is to point to McCain. Goodness.
Very strange debate, no control whatsoever by the moderator...sm
Almost like alternating republican and democratic commercials. Some very petty snide comments. Neither one of them impressed me, but I blame that on the moderator.
People take for granted being able to have any choice whatsoever in what doctor they see
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The Sky is Falling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
The collapse of the economy has been coming for longer than 2 years, it is just convenient to blame it all on the republicans.

Also, last I checked, we live in a Republic (lots of folks think we live in a democracy, but we do not) and one person isn't going to change our entire government, although it really does need some major changing.

Go out and talk to "Joe sixpack", the lower middle-class, the poor, etc. A socialist country doesn't seem like such a bad thing to them right now. At least they would have healthcare, lol!

The closer we get to the election, the more scare tactics we see. Relax, its just an acorn, lol.
THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING
OMG. How did you deduce that from what he said? So you think medical transcriptionists are UNSKILLED? Not only do you insult an intelligent method of handling the companies that ship our work overseas, but you also insult yourself and everyone else on this board. MT is NOT unskilled labor.


THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING...
Why don't you give the guy a chance before you start deciding if things could get worse or better? He has already stated that the mess is so huge that he inherited, it isn't going to be an overnight solution.

Why do you feel free to judge his entire presidency based on 60+ days so far?...days of putting out MAJOR fires left by the last administration, I might add. Why don't you wait until Obama actually can get to his own agenda before you decide that things are going to be worse under him.

Typical right wing over reactionism and drama queenism!
THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING...
Why don't you give the guy a chance before you start deciding if things could get worse or better? He has already stated that the mess is so huge that he inherited, it isn't going to be an overnight solution.

Why do you feel free to judge his entire presidency based on 60+ days so far?...days of putting out MAJOR fires left by the last administration, I might add. Why don't you wait until Obama actually can get to his own agenda before you decide that things are going to be worse under him.

This kind of right wing over reactionism and drama queenism really undermines any valid points you might make.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! (nm)
:o
The sky is falling, the sky is falling
I am amazed how many rightwingers are scared out of their pants. Why not find some other country to hide in? Your posting is laughable.
The ends is near, the sky is falling.

If you look throughout history, many people thought that their century would have been the end of the world.  What do I think?  As a believer, I truly do believe that there are signs out there that do lead toward Christ's return.  Please no flaming me as this is my personal opinion. 


As to when this might happen....no one knows.  As a believer in God, it is written that no one knows.....not even the angels in Heaven know.  Is the end getting closer.....yes....I think it is.  Will it happen in my lifetime?  I don't know. 


As to your thoughts about McCain and Obama.  I really do not think that either of them have the appropriate plan for our country and I really do feel sorry for the next president because he will have A LOT on his table.  However, I truly feel that Obama's plan will hurt our economy more than help it.  I believe that our country is in a recession and the blames goes to government....PERIOD.  I'm not even going into the dems vs pubs.  They are all to blame.  They all had their greedy little hands in on this.  After being screwed over by the government, do I want them to have more control over things?  HECK NO!  Government spending has gotten WAY out of hand and, IMO, that is the key to this whole crisis.  Cut government spending.  You can't raise taxes during a recession.  It will weaken the economy and head us straight for a depression.


An interesting thing I heard on TV last night.  China noticed their economy take a little dip, nothing like ours, and guess what they are doing......they are lowering taxes.  Not raising them. 


The people that say 95% won't be taxed....I'm sorry but even putting the whole welfare allegations aside....it isn't possible.  There aren't enough rich people to take from to come up with the money Obama wants to spend.  He will have to increase taxes on the rest of us as well and that includes the middle class that he professes to be looking after. 


Increasing taxes on companies will result in a higher job loss than a job creation.  People say that the companies make enough and can absorb that.....you obviously don't run a business and let me tell you....my husband does and he is sweating this BIG time.  It ain't pretty ladies and gentlemen.  The companies who can afford to "absorb" this tax increase will pass it along to us by jacking up the prices of their products.  So who pays for that increase....WE DO PEOPLE!


I don't have anything personal against Obama.  I will admit that his judgment in associations are a bit concerning, but putting that all aside.....Obama's plans for this country will fail.  Is it change?  Yes it is.....but it will be a change for the worse.


Can't come out of the Fox hole.....THE SKY IS FALLING.....nm
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Falling all over the place.
What is happening with those repubs?
Was one of the songs free falling? If so...
I think I have seen it.
Maybe they're falling because Coke is better.
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A "fool" would be Americans falling for O
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Clinton 65% - Bush 28% and falling!

Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating.  George W. Bush has an approval rating of 28% and still falling.


Period! 


You forgot Paulsen the-sky-is-falling
no-time-to-read, eve-of-destruction, just-sign-here, no-questions-asked, just-trust-your savior arm-twisting at the helm.
I don’t fall into the sky is falling category
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Falling for O's promises, just like Jimmy Carter
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Yeah, why yell...'the sky is NOT falling'?
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Yeah. We'll be falling right into the leadership shortly
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this is not about race
of hearing people say it is... i have a feeling that is why mccain has not been as aggressive in this campaign, concerned someone is going to cry "RACISM"...... and should his gloves come off in this next debate, i bet that will be the cry...
Right but again, that has nothing to do with race either nm
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It's not about race?

It's not about what kind of job this guy can do, or how well he can lead the country.  No it most certainly has not been!  And I'm sick and tired of everyone making it out otherwise.  It's always been about race and that's all its ever been about!  I'm hopeful that anyone will be able to pull us out of this depression no matter what their color is or whether it be a man or woman.  It's not going to be an easy job.  But all through the campaign and to this day we kept hearing about how it's not about race.  That was the line that this man from Illinois was trying to sell to us.  He'd walk around and tell us he understands what we're going through, it's not about race.  Then he'd talk about his grandmother being afraid of black me (uh, hello..I thought you said it wasn't about race).  When he was elected my brother and his friends went out and celebrated in the streets because now we got a brother in there.  He said to me, "you should be happy because we finally got a brother in the white house who is one of us".  I asked him what does he mean "one of us", that's he's black like us so I should rejoicing and saying hallelulah thank you Jesus.


But this latest display of what he has planned for the innaugeration has got to be the most downright utter distasteful display of "flaunting" his race.  Now at the inaugeration it's going to be a huge "Gone With the Winds" type of theme with ladies in their plantation dresses.  I haven't read it yet, but I'm sure I'll be hearing about him dressing the blacks up like the what our ancestors were dressed when they were slaves.  He has taken racism to a whole new level.  This is disgusting and this is not what the men who founded this country had in mind.  It took us years and years to get through the slavery issues and now here comes Mr. Obama bringing all that sh!t back up again and dividing people.  I've got some friends who are white and nowhere in their history do they have any relatives who owned slaves, but now Mr. Obama is going to make all of them feel as though they are slave owners.  I don't know what it is but why does America seem to get stuck and not be able to move forward.  Instead of looking into the future he's dragging back up the plantation and slavery issues and making a big deal of them.  I am just sick to death of coming on and reading how it's not about race when that's all that it is about.  I voted for Mr. Obama because I like him.  I didn't think he was qualified and he doesn't have the experience, but I'm willing to give a new unknown person a chance.  Now he pulls this racial crap and it makes me ashamed to be black and more ashamed that I was conned into his lies and voted for him. (even the NAACP is criticizing this).  It's not about race??????  Tell me another one.


http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=9655036&nav=menu33_2


 


It's not about race?

It's not about what kind of job this guy can do, or how well he can lead the country.  No it most certainly has not been!  And I'm sick and tired of everyone making it out otherwise.  It's always been about race and that's all its ever been about!  I'm hopeful that anyone will be able to pull us out of this depression no matter what their color is or whether it be a man or woman.  It's not going to be an easy job.  But all through the campaign and to this day we kept hearing about how it's not about race.  That was the line that this man from Illinois was trying to sell to us.  He'd walk around and tell us he understands what we're going through, it's not about race.  Then he'd talk about his grandmother being afraid of black me (uh, hello..I thought you said it wasn't about race).  When he was elected my brother and his friends went out and celebrated in the streets because now we got a brother in there.  He said to me, "you should be happy because we finally got a brother in the white house who is one of us".  I asked him what does he mean "one of us", that's he's black like us so I should rejoicing and saying hallelulah thank you Jesus.


But this latest display of what he has planned for the innaugeration has got to be the most downright utter distasteful display of "flaunting" his race.  Now at the inaugeration it's going to be a huge "Gone With the Winds" type of theme with ladies in their plantation dresses.  I haven't read it yet, but I'm sure I'll be hearing about him dressing the blacks up like the what our ancestors were dressed when they were slaves.  He has taken racism to a whole new level.  This is disgusting and this is not what the men who founded this country had in mind.  It took us years and years to get through the slavery issues and now here comes Mr. Obama bringing all that sh!t back up again and dividing people.  I've got some friends who are white and nowhere in their history do they have any relatives who owned slaves, but now Mr. Obama is going to make all of them feel as though they are slave owners.  I don't know what it is but why does America seem to get stuck and not be able to move forward.  Instead of looking into the future he's dragging back up the plantation and slavery issues and making a big deal of them.  I am just sick to death of coming on and reading how it's not about race when that's all that it is about.  I voted for Mr. Obama because I like him.  I didn't think he was qualified and he doesn't have the experience, but I'm willing to give a new unknown person a chance.  Now he pulls this racial crap and it makes me ashamed to be black and more ashamed that I was conned into his lies and voted for him. (even the NAACP is criticizing this).  It's not about race??????  Tell me another one.


http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=9655036&nav=menu33_2


 


It's not about race?

It's not about what kind of job this guy can do, or how well he can lead the country.  No it most certainly has not been!  And I'm sick and tired of everyone making it out otherwise.  It's always been about race and that's all its ever been about!  I'm hopeful that anyone will be able to pull us out of this depression no matter what their color is or whether it be a man or woman.  It's not going to be an easy job.  But all through the campaign and to this day we kept hearing about how it's not about race.  That was the line that this man from Illinois was trying to sell to us.  He'd walk around and tell us he understands what we're going through, it's not about race.  Then he'd talk about his grandmother being afraid of black me (uh, hello..I thought you said it wasn't about race).  When he was elected my brother and his friends went out and celebrated in the streets because now we got a brother in there.  He said to me, "you should be happy because we finally got a brother in the white house who is one of us".  I asked him what does he mean "one of us", that's he's black like us so I should rejoicing and saying hallelulah thank you Jesus.


But this latest display of what he has planned for the innaugeration has got to be the most downright utter distasteful display of "flaunting" his race.  Now at the inaugeration it's going to be a huge "Gone With the Winds" type of theme with ladies in their plantation dresses.  I haven't read it yet, but I'm sure I'll be hearing about him dressing the blacks up like the what our ancestors were dressed when they were slaves.  He has taken racism to a whole new level.  This is disgusting and this is not what the men who founded this country had in mind.  It took us years and years to get through the slavery issues and now here comes Mr. Obama bringing all that sh!t back up again and dividing people.  I've got some friends who are white and nowhere in their history do they have any relatives who owned slaves, but now Mr. Obama is going to make all of them feel as though they are slave owners.  I don't know what it is but why does America seem to get stuck and not be able to move forward.  Instead of looking into the future he's dragging back up the plantation and slavery issues and making a big deal of them.  I am just sick to death of coming on and reading how it's not about race when that's all that it is about.  I voted for Mr. Obama because I like him.  I didn't think he was qualified and he doesn't have the experience, but I'm willing to give a new unknown person a chance.  Now he pulls this racial crap and it makes me ashamed to be black and more ashamed that I was conned into his lies and voted for him. (even the NAACP is criticizing this).  It's not about race??????  Tell me another one.


http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=9655036&nav=menu33_2


 


It's not about race?

It's not about what kind of job this guy can do, or how well he can lead the country.  No it most certainly has not been!  And I'm sick and tired of everyone making it out otherwise.  It's always been about race and that's all its ever been about!  I'm hopeful that anyone will be able to pull us out of this depression no matter what their color is or whether it be a man or woman.  It's not going to be an easy job.  But all through the campaign and to this day we kept hearing about how it's not about race.  That was the line that this man from Illinois was trying to sell to us.  He'd walk around and tell us he understands what we're going through, it's not about race.  Then he'd talk about his grandmother being afraid of black me (uh, hello..I thought you said it wasn't about race).  When he was elected my brother and his friends went out and celebrated in the streets because now we got a brother in there.  He said to me, "you should be happy because we finally got a brother in the white house who is one of us".  I asked him what does he mean "one of us", that's he's black like us so I should rejoicing and saying hallelulah thank you Jesus.


But this latest display of what he has planned for the innaugeration has got to be the most downright utter distasteful display of "flaunting" his race.  Now at the inaugeration it's going to be a huge "Gone With the Winds" type of theme with ladies in their plantation dresses.  I haven't read it yet, but I'm sure I'll be hearing about him dressing the blacks up like the what our ancestors were dressed when they were slaves.  He has taken racism to a whole new level.  This is disgusting and this is not what the men who founded this country had in mind.  It took us years and years to get through the slavery issues and now here comes Mr. Obama bringing all that sh!t back up again and dividing people.  I've got some friends who are white and nowhere in their history do they have any relatives who owned slaves, but now Mr. Obama is going to make all of them feel as though they are slave owners.  I don't know what it is but why does America seem to get stuck and not be able to move forward.  Instead of looking into the future he's dragging back up the plantation and slavery issues and making a big deal of them.  I am just sick to death of coming on and reading how it's not about race when that's all that it is about.  I voted for Mr. Obama because I like him.  I didn't think he was qualified and he doesn't have the experience, but I'm willing to give a new unknown person a chance.  Now he pulls this racial crap and it makes me ashamed to be black and more ashamed that I was conned into his lies and voted for him. (even the NAACP is criticizing this).  It's not about race??????  Tell me another one.


http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=9655036&nav=menu33_2


 


of COURSE IT WAS ABOUT RACE!
I do admit not for EVERYONE... i mean some people really believed the HOPE and CHANGE and "YES WE CAN"
Then there are those... that simply voted for him for the color of his skin.

See example below...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGSOjx5Mh7w
Why not...why does it have to be about race?
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Why is it about race? (sm)

Because of the following, which has been well known for hundreds of years now.  This form of racism was established in the American culture by white people, some of whom now deny its existence.


Subconscious mental connection between blacks, apes may reinforce subtle discrimination


March 5th, 2008 in Medicine & Health / Psychology



Many U.S. citizens may not hold openly racist beliefs today, but they still may subconsciously link African Americans with apes because people still use words and metaphors that subtly reinforce a less-than-human bias and endorse violence against Blacks, according to a new study.


"Historical racist images and books dehumanizing African Americans in the 19th and early 20th century relied heavily on the Negro-ape metaphor, which was used to stereotype Blacks as lazy, dim and aggressive," said lead author Phillip Atiba Goff, assistant professor of psychology at Penn State. "Such dehumanization and animal imagery have been used for centuries to justify violence against many oppressed groups.


"The images have disappeared from popular culture and from most people's memory," he added. "However, after completing six studies, we found strong evidence that Black-ape linkages still influence people subconsciously and impact their judgment particularly in the case of African American suspects and defendants."


The study's findings are published in the paper, "Not Yet Human: Implicit Knowledge, Historical Dehumanization and Contemporary Consequences," in a recent issue (February) of Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, which is published by the American Psychological Association.


Goff and fellow researchers Jennifer Eberhardt, associate professor of psychology at Stanford University; Matthew C. Jackson and Melissa J. Williams, graduate students at Penn State and Berkeley, respectively, conducted six studies of college-age students. They found that participants – even those with no stated prejudices or knowledge of the historical images – were quicker to associate Blacks with apes than they were to associate Whites with apes.


Goff and fellow researchers Jennifer Eberhardt, associate professor of psychology at Stanford University, Matthew C. Jackson and Melissa J. Williams, graduate students at Penn State and Berkeley, respectively, conducted six studies of White college-age students. They found that participants – even those with no stated prejudices or knowledge of the historical images -- were quicker to associate Blacks with apes than they were to associate Whites with apes.


In the first three studies, researchers subliminally flashed Black or White male faces on a screen for a fraction of a second to "prime" the participants, who could identify blurry ape drawings much faster after they were primed with Black faces than with White faces.


http://www.physorg.com/news123944737.html


 


So it is all about race, huh?
so pathetic.
It's always going to be about race
There is no changing that. 
Ah the race card!
always played when a leftist is against the wall when it comes to facts. France has changed diametrically in the 200+ years since the revolutionary war, but you probably have your own leftist rewritten history book on that too, so why bother...
Since when is French a race? sm
Why do you call everyone who disagrees a leftist or liberal loon?
Presidential race

Please do not tell any of the following their lives are not DIRECTLY affected by the President:


1.  The teachers and students who spend most of their time preparing for NCLB  standardized testing while falling behind in basic life skills. This affects EVERY student and EVERY teacher in EVERY public school in the United States.


2.  The soldiers who have been to Iraq,as well as their survivors. Their mission was to destroy nonexistent WMDs.


3.  The millions of people who cannot afford health insurance or oil to heat their homes. Of course our president does believe  "profits" are a good thing; unfortunately they are for corporate America.


I am not advising who to vote for; obviously it is a personal choice. But anyone who says no one person can make a difference, good or bad, is naive.


 


 


Is it any different than the race card?
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Not to start a race war

People can raise this question over and over again but what I would like to know is this:  Has anyone ever raised the same questions regarding white candidates in this and/or past elections and why people voted for them? Of course not...I wouldn't care if Obama were multicolored - people are going to vote for whomever they choose and I for one am weary of the constant references to race...


Race does not matter to me....

I have always voted for dems regardless of race.  Had Hiliary made it through the primary, I would vote for her, even though I personally believe that our country is not ready a female to hold that position.  I speak from a female point of view and we are too often guided by our feelings and make rash decisions, but later end up regretting our action because we did not think it through.  I would love to have Bill back as our president, life was good and he worked for the people. 


It shouldn't be about race
But for a lot of people it is. I won't vote for him, but race has nothing to do with it. Interestingly, my 79-year-old aunt thinks we should vote FOR him because of race. She says "Oh, we owe it to them."

Interesting too, I think Obama's commercials have been playing the race card recently - the white one. All of his recent commercials in my area have shown him with his mom and grandparents in cozy home-spun settings.


Exactly, and the other race card is
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Well, like it or not......race is an issue with some
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I still think that all this race baiting, etc
by the McCain campaign has not helped matters.  But as they say, Pride goeth before the fall.
It has been about race from the beginning.........sm
One only has to read either of Obama's books to know that. His books say essentially what your brother is saying in (no offense at all to your brother or to you) more eloquent terms (instead of saying "a brother in the White House").

I am very much against the use of the Trail Maids in the parade, not because of the color of their skin, but because of what they represent....a time in our country's history that was wrong and shameful in terms of what one race did to another. I personally don't think it is a period of time to be celebrated.

What truly amazes me is that so many have tried to blame the racism on the white people who were against Obama instead of recognizing the "reverse racism" that is at the core of this campaign. I didn't vote for him, but I didn't vote for him because I disagreed with his political platform. Race was never an issue for me. I'd have voted for a black man, Oriental man, Hispanic man, white man or purple man if I believed that he was the best choice for leading this nation and if his platform was one I agreed with.

Please don't ever be ashamed of who you are or the color of your skin. You are an amazing work of God and should always remember that you are. :o)