Home     Contact Us    
Main Board Job Seeker's Board Job Wanted Board Resume Bank Company Board Word Help Medquist New MTs Classifieds Offshore Concerns VR/Speech Recognition Tech Help Coding/Medical Billing
Gab Board Politics Comedy Stop Health Issues
ADVERTISEMENT




Serving Over 20,000 US Medical Transcriptionists

Thomas Jefferson

Posted By: Redistribution of wealth is wrong. on 2008-10-18
In Reply to:

Thomas Jefferson quote:


To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."



Complete Discussion Below: marks the location of current message within thread

The messages you are viewing are archived/old.
To view latest messages and participate in discussions, select the boards given in left menu


Other related messages found in our database

I believe it was also Jefferson who said.......sm
A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.
Whether or not Jefferson

made the statement about banks, he should have.  I cannot fault the reasoning. 


Our world is currently run by politician/lawyers and MBA  'money guys.'  They are puppeteers pulling all our strings, manipulating the results of our labor while they themselves produce nothing tangible.  And with our new 'global economy' it is an international puppet show now. 


If all this excess does throw us into another dark age, I wonder who'll be crying mommy sooner.  Those of us who still know how to swing an axe, hunt, plant a garden (not for show), preserve food, carpenter, and take care of our own needs?  Or lawyers and money guys with manicures?  Sure, the weasels among us will still be trying to find an angle and make a deal.  But wouldn't it be almost worth the price of admission to see all those Armani suits soiled?


Again, Jefferson was in the minority
I count on this response every time I debate liberals. They pull out the Jefferson pistol. Jefferson was definitely in the minority in some of his views, but then he also said at one point that a man should not be elected president who does not believe in God, oh, then the libs scream his writings were manipulated! From most of his writings Jefferson did have a the opinion that government should not have a state religion (the reason we left England in the first place), and on that we agree. Conservatism does not promote a state religion either only promotion of values that Christianity promotes which are not dangerous to anyone and only promote common sense laws were the foundation of our country....don't steal, don't murder, don't cheat on your wife...etc.

Again, I don't advocate shoving my religion down people's throat. You can't make people accept what they will not accept. That's the beauty of God and his Son, Jesus Christ. They give you free choice, and I certainly don't advocate eliminating your free choice. With that said, in this country majority overides the minority, and atheists and non-Judeo-Christian religions are in the minority. They were in minority at the founding of this country, and they are in the minority now.

Other Jefferson quotes
Jefferson was definitely not an atheist as some claim he was. He was more of a deist:

First an excerpt from the Declartion of Independence which Jefferson was instrumental in writing:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men and for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance upon the Protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Excerpted from the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

Here are some of Jefferson's writings on Separation of Church and state:

Separation of Church From Interference by the State –
Jefferson’s Letter to the Danbury Baptists

In recent years, those who would like to interpret the First Amendment in a manner our forefathers never intended, have made use of the term “Separation of Church and State” to mean that there could be no possible impact or influence of Christianity upon civil government – or even upon education.

The true meaning of the Establishment Clause can be stated in these terms – “Separation of Church from interference by the State.” The only time the expression “Separation of Church and State” was used by a founding father, is in an off-the-record, non-political letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association. He wrote this letter on July l, 1802 replying to their public address which applauded his stance for establishing Religious Freedom. Jefferson prefaces his statement with an assurance to the Danbury Baptists that he concurs with their belief of man being accountable to God alone for his mode of worship, without the government’s coercion or interference:

Jefferson's words: …Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “Make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State… end Jefferson's words

Religious Values Protected From Government Interference
The wall of separation between Church and state of which Jefferson speaks, is clearly in reference to protecting religious worship from the government’s interference, and not the government being encroached upon by religious values. Furthermore, the Declaration of Independence itself concludes with an emphasis upon this new nation’s dependence upon God’s protective care:

Jefferson reiterates the excerpt from the Declaration of Independence …with a firm reliance upon the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Biblical Principles and Christian Values – the Framework for Good Government

It is seen, again and again in the founding fathers’ writings, that they stressed the
need of biblical principles and Christian values as the framework for good government, as attested to throughout this book. While we do not have evidence of Thomas Jefferson having accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, the only way to salvation, we can affirm that he governed his life by many Christian values and principles. Following are some examples from his writings to illustrate this:

Jefferson’s Prayer for Peace, as it is called, is excerpted from his Second Inaugural Address, delivered on March 4, 1805, as follows:

I shall now enter on the duties to which my fellow-citizens have again called me, and shall proceed in the spirit of those principles which they have approved…I shall need, therefore, all the indulgence I have heretofore experienced…I shall need, too, the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our forefathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessities and comforts of life, who has covered our infancy with His Providence and our riper years with His wisdom and power, and to whose goodness I ask you to join with me in supplications that He will so enlighten the minds of your servants, guide their councils and prosper their measures, that whatever they do shall result in your good, and shall secure to you the peace, friendship and approbation of all nations.

Elaborating on the excesses inherent within the hierarchal state-controlled church, Jefferson writes to Moses Robinson on March 23, 1801, from Washington, D.C.:

…The Christian Religion, when divested of the rags in which they (the clergy) have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and simplicity of its benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind.

If you would like to read the total paper this was excerpted from here's the link:

http://www.christianheritagemins.org/articles/Thomas%20Jefferson,%20Champion%20of%20Religious%20Freedom.htm

That's false; Jefferson didn't say that. sm
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp
Cal Thomas and Neal

Boortz as judges!!!!!  That is as far as I got. Guffaw.


 


What would Thomas Paine say?

 Very cool!!


We The People Stimulus Package


Pass it on please!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA


 


I love Helen Thomas *lol*......n/m

CLARENCE THOMAS IS A GOOD MAN.
nm
Thomas Naylor, founder, said it was gaining
--
Thomas Sowell wrote the article, maybe you should read it...

not my facts, chicky.


Someone to rule over us for her life time? I dont think so. Clarence Thomas is enough to bear with

Miers' Answer Raises Questions



  • Legal experts find a misuse of terms in her Senate questionnaire 'terrible' and 'shocking.'

  • By David G. Savage, Times Staff Writer


    WASHINGTON — Asked to describe the constitutional issues she had worked on during her legal career, Supreme Court nominee Harriet E. Miers had relatively little to say on the questionnaire she sent to the Senate this week.

    And what she did say left many constitutional experts shaking their heads.

    At one point, Miers described her service on the Dallas City Council in 1989. When the city was sued on allegations that it violated the Voting Rights Act, she said, the council had to be sure to comply with the proportional representation requirement of the Equal Protection Clause.

    But the Supreme Court repeatedly has said the Constitution's guarantee of equal protection of the laws does not mean that city councils or state legislatures must have the same proportion of blacks, Latinos and Asians as the voting population.

    That's a terrible answer. There is no proportional representation requirement under the equal protection clause, said New York University law professor Burt Neuborne, a voting rights expert. If a first-year law student wrote that and submitted it in class, I would send it back and say it was unacceptable.

    Stanford law professor Pamela Karlan, also an expert on voting rights, said she was surprised the White House did not check Miers' questionnaire before sending it to the Senate.

    Are they trying to set her up? Any halfway competent junior lawyer could have checked the questionnaire and said it cannot go out like that. I find it shocking, she said.

    White House officials say the term proportional representation is amenable to different meanings. They say Miers was referring to the requirement that election districts have roughly the same number of voters.

    In the 1960s, the Supreme Court adopted the one person, one vote concept as a rule under the equal protection clause. Previously, rural districts with few voters often had the same clout in legislatures as heavily populated urban districts. Afterward, their clout was equal to the number of voters they represented. But voting rights experts do not describe this rule as proportional representation, which has a specific, different meaning.

    Either Miers misunderstood what the equal protection clause requires, or she was using loose language to say something about compliance with the one-person, one-vote rule, said Richard L. Hasen, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles who specializes in election law. Either way, it is very sloppy and unnecessary. Someone should have caught that.

    Proportional representation was a focus of debate in the early 1980s. Democrats and liberal activists were pressing for Congress to change the Voting Rights Act to ensure minorities equal representation on city councils, state legislatures and in the U.S. House.

    They were responding to a 1980 case in which the Supreme Court upheld an election system in Mobile, Ala., that had shut out blacks from political power. The city was governed by a council of three members, all elected citywide. About two-thirds of voters were white and one-third black, but whites held all three seats.

    The Supreme Court said Mobile's system was constitutional, so long as there was no evidence it had been created for a discriminatory purpose.

    The equal protection clause does not require proportional representation, the court said in a 6-3 decision. In dissent, Justice Thurgood Marshall said the decision gave blacks the right to cast meaningless ballots.

    In response, Congress moved to change the Voting Rights Act to permit challenges to election systems that had the effect of excluding minorities from power. The Reagan administration opposed those efforts, saying they would lead to a proportional representation rule.

    Congress adopted a hazy compromise in 1982. It said election systems could be challenged if minorities were denied a chance to elect representatives of their choice…. Provided that nothing in this section establishes a right to have members of a protected class elected in numbers equal to their proportion of the population.

    This law put pressure on cities such as Dallas and Los Angeles and many states to redraw their electoral districts in areas with concentrations of black or Latino voters. The number of minority members of Congress doubled in the early 1990s after districts were redrawn.

    In Dallas, Miers supported a move to create City Council districts so black and Latino candidates would have a better chance of winning seats.

    She came to believe it was important to achieve more black and Hispanic representation, Hasen said. She could have a profound impact as a justice if she brought that view to the court. So from the perspective of the voting rights community, they could do a lot worse than her.

    White House spokeswoman Dana Perino also emphasized that Miers' experience was more important than her terminology.

    Ms. Miers, when confirmed, will be the only Supreme Court Justice to have actually had to comply with the Voting Rights Act, she said.


    You bear Thomas, we bear Ginsburg.
    x