Too bad Robertson doesn't look in the mirror.
Posted By: sm - Starcat on 2006-03-16
In Reply to: Just as I predicted yesterday, here come the death threats! - PK
We have our own Taliban right here in the U.S...so-called Christians calling for people's assassinations, etc. And the darling of the right, Coulter, *joking* that Justice Stevens should be poisoned? Makes me wonder who is really *satanic* and *crazed fanatics*? Apparently my copy of the New Testament is different than theirs. Robertson in his infinite wisdom comparing Mohammed to a politician?
From the March 13 broadcast of CBN's The 700 Club:
ROBERTSON: Imagine one cartoon, one cartoon showing Mohammad with a turban with a missile out of it. I mean, we have stuff like that, that is vastly worse against our politicians all the time. It's part of free expression. The fact that this elicited this incredible outpouring of rage just shows the kind of people we're dealing with. These people are crazed fanatics, and I want to say it now: I believe it's motivated by demonic power; it is satanic; and it's time we recognize what we are dealing with. But, political correctness will not face one religious ideology with the strength of another because they don't have the strength of another. And, so, they're caving in before this vicious assault, and the goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen, whether you like it or not, is world domination. These people are saying it over there in Europe -- world domination. We're going to take over Europe. We're going to take over England. We're going to take over Denmark. We're going to take over France. That's their goal! And, why don't we wake up to the fact of who we're dealing with? And, by the way, Islam is not a religion of peace.
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Pat Robertson
Like I told gt below I don't echo Pat Robertson. However, Cindy Sheehan has said as much about our president but in much more vulgar verbage. Don't lump us into all being Pat Robertson followers, because it just ain't so.
You must have Pat Robertson
running through your veins. You're totally whacked.
Get some help.
You better look in the mirror...
Your bigotry is showing, and it is not very attractive.
you must be looking in the mirror
I don't know where you get your information from....oh wait, I do know....left wing media.
take a look in the mirror
If you want to talk about someone needing a lesson in tolerance, I hope you have one big mirror because you need that lesson more than anyone else here.
Robertson, Falwell, et al. are the very same
people who publicly claim that they and their followers are the only people who are good enough to go to heaven. It's easy for Americans to just dismiss these snake oil salesmen and their followers as whackos, just laugh at them and brush them off as having no importance.
You're right. The inmates are going to be running the asylum if Harriet Miers becomes a Supreme Court Justice, and America will continue its downward 5-year spiral backwards time. I already wrote to Senator Harry Reid a couple days ago, basically asking what he was thinking when he was hoodwinked by Bush and Miers. I've also written to many of the Senators on the Judiciary Committee. I obviously don't live in all of their states, but at the federal level, I feel my voice is just as important in such a serious matter as this. I do live in Senator Specter's state, and he will probably be tired of hearing from me before it's all said and done.
I hope those who have strong concerns about precisely the things described in the article you posted do the same and write to the Senators on the Judiciary Committee...unless you're okay with the Bible replacing the Constitution and the inmates running the asylum.
As far as God's actual involvement in all this, I'm starting to wonder if God is getting fed up with the inherent evil of this White House and all the lies and corruption that accompany it. Maybe it's actually God's love and pursuit of the truth that will result in Bush's house of cards toppling over in the next few weeks as, one by one his scandals, are revealed to the world and hopefully many indictments will be handed out. 
Like Pat Robertson calling for
of Chavez? Or telling the people of Dover not to pray to God 'cause God won't answer? Must be nice to have such a straight line to the Lord God. Yeah, that's REAL Christianity alright.
You're right. He needs a mirror!
Just substitute evangelical Christian for Islam, and what he's describing is the United States under Bush's regime.
Oh, you looked in the mirror, then?
 Oh, don't stop now! Keep talking, keep the accusations rolling! Keep proving my point.
You need to look in the mirror sam, you are guilty of ...sm
exactly what you are accusing the Dems of. Can you not see it? Everything is black and white with you and it seems that you feel you will lose ground in the conflict if you admit anything but total agreement with the republican platform is wrong. Can you not see that? Nothing in life is ever just black or white, good or bad.
Wow, what a mirror moment. (nm)
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I didn't agree with Pat Robertson either. sm
However, I doubt Chavez offer came free of strings. I am glad we did not accept his help. He has shown himself for what he is.
You must mean Falwell, Robertson and Hagee, who also
Here's a few more points you may want to mull over:
The idea that America deserves terrorist attacks and other horrendous disasters has long been a frequently expressed view among the faction of white evangelical ministers to whom the Republican Party is most inextricably linked. Neither Jerry Falwell nor Pat Robertson ever retracted or denounced their view that America provoked the 9/11 attacks by doing things to anger God. John Hagee continues to believe that the City of New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina drowned its residents and devastated the lives of thousands of Americans. And James Inhofe (who happens to still be a Republican U.S. Senator) blamed America for the 9/11 attacks by arguing in a 2002 Senate floor speech that "the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America" because we pressured Israel to give away parts of the West Bank.
The phrases "anti-American" and "America-haters" are among the most barren and manipulative in our entire political lexicon, but whatever they happen to mean on any given day, they easily encompass people who believe that the U.S. deserved the 9/11 attacks, devastating hurricanes and the like. Yet when are people like Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Inhofe and other white Christian radicals ever described as anti-American or America-hating extremists? Never, because white Christian evangelicals who tie themselves to the political Right are intrinsically patriotic. Do Obama haters believe that those individuals are anti-American radicals and that people who allow their children to belong to their churches are exercising grave errors of judgment?
To subscribe to this paradox is wildly understating the magnitude of the association between "anti-American" white evangelicals and Republican leaders. By all accounts, George Bush had private conversations with Pat Robertson about matters as weighty as whether to invade Iraq. Isn't that a big scandal, that the President is consulting with an American-hating minister, someone who believes God allowed the 9/11 attacks as punishment for our evil country, about vital foreign policy decisions? No, it wasn't controversial at all.
John Hagee privately visits with the highest level Middle East officials in the White House and afterwards pronounces that they're in agreement. John McCain shares a stage with Hagee and lavishes him with praise, as Rudy Giuliani did with Pat Robertson. James Inhofe remains a member in good standing in the GOP Senate Caucus. The Republican Party has tied itself at the hip to a whole slew of "anti-American extremists"…people who believe that the U.S. provoked the 9/11 attacks because God wants to punish us for the evil, wicked nation we've become…and yet there is virtual silence about these associations.
Nor have the views of televangelist Rod Parsley, one of McCain's self-proclaimed "spiritual advisers," received a fraction of the attention generated by Wright. As both David Corn and Alan Colmes, among others, have documented, Parsley espouses views at least as extreme and radical as Wright, including his proclamation that "America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion [Islam] destroyed." Unlike Wright and Obama, for whom the former's controversial views are found nowhere near the latter's public or private conduct , both George Bush and John McCain's Middle Eastern militarism are perfectly consonant with the most maniacal and crazed views of Christian Rapture enthusiasts such as Hagee, Parsley, Inhofe, and Robertson. Yet the controversy created over their close ties is virtually non-existent.
The Republican Party long ago adopted as a central strategy aligning itself with, and granting great influence to, the most radical, "America-hating" white evangelical Christian ministers in the country. They're given a complete pass on that because political orthodoxy mandates that white evangelical Christian ministers are inherently worthy of respect, no matter how extreme and noxious are their views. That orthodoxy stands in stark contrast to the universally enraged reaction to a few selected snippets from the angry rantings of a black Christian Minister. What accounts for that glaring disparity?
When Ann Coulter gets in front of a mirror
there is no reflection. She's a bottom feeding, blood-sucking vamp, pale and gaunt, dark, depressed, pathologic and maniacal, allergic to the light of day, mistress of the shadowland and fairy princess to the furthest fringes, a dying breed, bound for extinction.
Robertson apologizes - He was misunderstood. Any takers on this one?
See link.
WH refuses to condemn Robertson's statement.
It's just amazing that our own President won't stand up and condemn this kind of terrorism - using the US airwaves to threaten assasination of foreign leaders, by a religious leader no less. Tough on terrorism? OK, so...when?
I like what I see in the mirror. Petty squabbles do not rile me,
I have not been trying to rile anyone all day. I have posted infrequent, well researched, rationale, logical discussions and comparisons of issues, plans, policies, platforms and positions, trying to egg pubs into some sort of similar response. So far, in response, they run from issues and reply with dodges, slams, bashes and digs.
I do not back down from these either, because some of the inflammatory ignorant poop they post seeks to undermine my candidate in destructive ways. I will be answering every single time in the same spirit that is used in the posts I am replying to. I have no sympathy for what pubs have "suffered" from SS today because dems are forced to deal with our own sally in the form of Sam 12 hours a day 5 days a week and have been doing so for months and months now. It's like Obama. He has been relentlessly raked through the coals for the past 18 months and has not complained one single time. SP and McCain have had this same treatment now for around 5 days and they are wimping out, whining like a couple of 5 year olds and declaring war on the so-called "liberal" press....not a terribly intelligent thing to do in the middle of a campaign.
Your double standard claim means less than nothing to me, but I do agree with you that my time and energy is better spent compliling fact to fight fiction and promoting my candidate to the best of my ability, in a thoughtful, intelligent and credible manner. See ya back at the board, Get Smart. Would look forward to engaging you in a real political debate on issues, etc, should you feel so inclined.
Here, hold up a mirror, real quick....you just described...sm
how almost every liberal on this board holds their fellow members, you know, the ones so cherishingly called "repugs" and "rabid pubs."
You sound a lot like Ann right then....in reverse.
So predictable.
Ma'am, step away from the mirror and no one will get hurt. LOL.
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I tell you, I didn't know that Pat Robertson tried to get on the republican ticket in 1988...sm
and I was enjoying the 700 club last year. They have some good Christian stories on there and motivational things that I actually liked. That was until one day Pat started talking politics and throwing his opinions around as if they were God's. That show hasn't gotten a rating point from me since then. He's definitely a radical in my book.
Robertson to build theme park in Israel; Jews unwilling to convert
Plans for Holy Land theme park on Galilee shore where Jesus fed the 5,000
· Evangelical groups and Israel on brink of deal
· Some Israelis fear motives of US Christian right Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
Wednesday January 4, 2006
Guardian The Israeli government is planning to give up a large slice of land to American Christian evangelicals to build a biblical theme park by the Sea of Galilee where Jesus is said to have walked on water and fed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish.
A consortium of Christian groups, led by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, is in negotiation with the Israeli ministry of tourism and a deal is expected in the coming months. The project is expected to bring up to 1 million extra tourists a year but an undeclared benefit will be the cementing of a political alliance between the Israeli rightwing and the American Christian right.
However, the alliance has not been welcomed by all Israelis, including some who fear the ultimate aim of the evangelicals is the conversion of the Jews to Christianity rather than support for Israel.
Jonathan Pulik, a spokesman for the Israeli ministry of tourism, said the Christian market was very important for Israel's tourism industry. We would like to give them more of a reason to come here. We would be willing to lease the land to them free of charge and they would finance the construction.
The site of the centre, covering nearly 50 hectares (125 acres) and provisionally called the Galilee World Heritage Park, would be north-east of the Mount of the Beatitudes where Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount, and Capernaum which was described as the town of Jesus in the Bible. It would feature a garden and nature park, an auditorium, a Holy Land exhibition, outdoor amphitheatres, information centre and a media studio.
The ministry of tourism estimates the total cost would be $48m (£28m). Mr Pulik also pointed out that the project would bring large numbers of jobs to the area. Mr Robertson said in a statement that he was fully cooperating with the project but no deal had been formalised. He said he was thrilled that there will be a place in the Galilee where evangelical Christians from all over the world can come to celebrate the actual place where Jesus Christ lived and taught.
The Sea of Galilee is more reminiscent of the Scottish Highlands than the Middle East, particularly in winter and spring when the hills are green. The existing Christian sites are picturesque and understated oases of calm and there is even a Church of Scotland hotel and church in Tiberias, the main town in the area.
A major part of the shore of the Sea of Galilee was Syrian until it was conquered by Israel in 1967. Syria and Israel are still officially in a state of war and Syria insists the return of the Golan Heights and the Galilee shore is a prerequisite for peace.
Uri Dagul, the project coordinator, said the land issues would be concluded within a few weeks and then the final details would be agreed between the Israeli government and the Christian communities which are primarily American evangelical churches.
The American Christian right, best known for television evangelism and its stars such as Mr Robertson and Jerry Falwell, has been among the strongest supporters of Israel in the US.
The primary reason is that according to the Old Testament, Israel was given to the Jews by God. Fundamentalist Christians believe that in order for Jesus to return, two preconditions are Jewish control of the land of Israel and the conversion of the Jews to Christianity.
Yossi Sarid, a former government minister and member of the Knesset, said he was wary of the friendship of the American Christian right and projects such as the Galilee centre. He said: I am not enthusiastic about this cooperation because I have no desire to be cannon fodder for the evangelists.
As a Jew, they believe I have to vanish before Jesus can make his second appearance. As I have no plans to convert, as an Israeli and a Jew, I find this a provocation. There is something sinister about their embrace.
Avraham Hirschson, the Israeli tourism minister, said: I'm not a theologian, I'm the minister of tourism, and I'm not interested in the politics of our tourists as long as they come here. They come here as tourists, and they're friends of Israel.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006
Ayers doesn't regret the bombings, doesn't feel like they did enough sm
In a story that appeared in the Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Ayers told a reporter while promoting his memoir "Fugitive Days": "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."
Mr. Ayers, now a professor of education in Chicago, was a founder of the Weather Underground, which bombed government buildings in the early 1970s. He was indicted on conspiracy charges that were thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct.
He served with Mr. Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a charitable organization, and, along with his wife, the former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, hosted Mr. Obama at his home in 1995 when he was running for state office.
Mr. Obama has called Mr. Ayers "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."...so because it was 40 years ago, and Ayers is still proud of what he did, how is it justifiable for a US presidential candidate to now be friends with this man? Unless he has the same view of America.
Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm
It does not count because its in the bag that our 3 electoral votes will go to the republican party.
It doesn't appear they are.
It doesn't take all that...sm
If you disagree just state your points. Leave the stupid and fool name calling off. It only degrades the entire conversation and will start a whole new mess. That you may or may not want to be in. I don't know you may want that but since you are on the liberal board don't bash the posts here.
No he doesn't. sm
Rush and David Liimbaugh, along with their mother, are staunch conservatives. If you are a conservative, a true conservative, Rush espouses a true conservative viewpoint. He doesn't hate liberals. He loathes me. There is a difference. Rush is a big target for liberal talking heads. His brother is more low key but just as staunchly conservative. Yes, he makes money with his talk show. Can you tell me someone who is business to NOT make money. I can't seem to think of anyone. As much as I love Rush, he sometimes does get a little out there, but he has never changed his basic conservative principles from his early days in Missouri and I respect him.
He doesn't have to say it...they already are...
worshipping him.
It can mean to you whatever!!! It doesn't
mean you have to say it over and over! You're right, it IS a free country, and I will read AND complain about your posts as much as I like, just like YOU are complaining about everyone else!
Because she doesn't seem to believe it's a
Doesn't say anything about . . .
Republicans and democrats, says liberals and conservatives.
No it doesn't
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Sure gets old, doesn't it?
of course it doesn't
But, chosing not to vote for him just because he is black, does make you a racist. I believe that many folks will vote for McCain for that reason only. However, I also believe some folks will vote for Obama because they don't want a woman VP. Racism and sexism is still pretty widespread in this country.
Doesn't seem right does it?
After all, most employees can be fired at will so why not the politicians? Aren't they suppose to work for the people.
VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS.
It doesn't get any better than that
You got bashed, adored and even recruited a couple of new citizens! Great post!
CNN doesn't know everything....and
wasn't it Biden who said Obama was not experienced enough to be president months ago before he was chosen as VP running mate for Obama.
No, he doesn't.
in a Christian nation, the idea of addressing poverty inspires racial hatred and outrage, but you would go to the mat to protect your guns. Pitiful.
Unfortunately he doesn't
but knowing my dad he probably gave them a good piece of his mind LOL
And it doesn't have anything to do...(sm)
with the fact that Israel is really Arab land? How about the idea that Israel didn't even exist as a nation until established by a third party. How about the fact that Israel has been cutting off supplies from Gaza? (That would include food, medicine, etc) I don't know about you, but I tend to get a little testy when my kids don't have food. How about the fact that the US consistently manipulates people in that region (putting in leaders the US wants, only to take them out again when its convenient), and yet when it comes to Israel, the US has given them money and sofisticated weapons to fight against homemade rockets. How about the idea that when Iran invaded Iraq the US was all over it, but when Israel does the same thing to Gaza we just give them a green light and ignore the civilian death toll. How about the idea that oftentimes the US has backed both sides of a war, playing each for what it can get? Oh, by the way, Israel is not the only democracy over there. You don't think any of this has anything to do with it?
And if you really want to bring religion into it, how about that all important commandment about *thou shalt not kill?*
And it doesn't have anything to do...(sm)
with the fact that Israel is really Arab land? How about the idea that Israel didn't even exist as a nation until established by a third party. How about the fact that Israel has been cutting off supplies from Gaza? (That would include food, medicine, etc) I don't know about you, but I tend to get a little testy when my kids don't have food. How about the fact that the US consistently manipulates people in that region (putting in leaders the US wants, only to take them out again when its convenient), and yet when it comes to Israel, the US has given them money and sofisticated weapons to fight against homemade rockets. How about the idea that when Iran invaded Iraq the US was all over it, but when Israel does the same thing to Gaza we just give them a green light and ignore the civilian death toll. How about the idea that oftentimes the US has backed both sides of a war, playing each for what it can get? Oh, by the way, Israel is not the only democracy over there. You don't think any of this has anything to do with it?
And if you really want to bring religion into it, how about that all important commandment about *thou shalt not kill?*
Have you noticed how palestinian land keeps getting smaller and smaller? Is that because the land is shrinking or because Israel is greedy?
If he doesn't know what is going on in the WH...
how the hell is he experienced enough to run the CIA? Face it, your chosen one sure can't chose anyone for himself; the Clintons have him so wrapped around their fingers he has to pay back the favors...he is a shill for them.....he will be a one-term president...look at the dems at each other's throats already and he's not even sworn in yet! Ahh, it will be great to see the chosen one fail!
One doesn't have to know her
Personally to see the condescending demeanor she carries. She's a snoot, plain and simple! But did you know that she had never been to Obama's senate apartment in DC because it was too much like a college dorm for her? Now how's that for a snob?
OMG.....who doesn't know
that Bush started out with a surplus and created this huge deficit? Please....raise your hands if you don't know that because for some reason people continue to think that we DON'T KNOW THIS INFORMATION AND CONTINUE TO POST IT. Holy friggin cow.....WE KNOW ALREADY.
I can't change what Bush did. I wish I could.....but I can't. All I can do is watch what our government and our CURRENT president is doing now. Your arguments about Bush creating this deficit doesn't do squat for me when Obama wants to add to this deficit by continued government spending. President Obama is more concerned about his agenda for creating bigger government than he is cuttin this deficit. He can't do it. Sending troops into Afghan......doubling the deficit in just one month's time since he took office. Some of you people are more concerned about making us all know Bush ran up this deficit (WHICH WE KNOW, BTW) and refuse to see what Obama is doing........spending spending spending spending spending. You can't buy your way out of debt. That is like getting one loan to pay another one off or paying one credit card bill with another credit card......it is just plain STUPID STUPID STUPID.
So please....stop with the.....well Bush created this deficit.....WE KNOW THAT ALREADY. Now we have to focus on our president now and watch what he is doing. I'm p!ssed at both pubs and dems. I'm all for what Chuck Norris said on Glenn Beck last night.....he wants to line up all the unhonest politicians and choke them until they are unconscious.....that includes pubs and dems. They are all liars. they are all out for their own agenda. They care more about their pockets being filled with money and their "pet projects" they keep stuffing into these spending bills. INSANITY!!!! To he!! with both parties. I truly hope that come election time we have an independent that I can believe in because I certainly will not vote for either party. Screw them both. If we vote them all out, maybe they will realize how mad we are and that we aren't going to take it.
Instead......all we can talk about is how this is all Bush's fault. LOL. Seriously....we all know what Bush did. Now let's focus on the current president and see what he plans on doing and whether it will help or not. Right now.....spending money we don't have isn't the answer. STOP GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!!!
That's because O doesn't know what he is doing!
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Now you know why CT doesn't want him
They all voted him in DC so they'd get rid of him in CT. Nobody likes him back there. He's one of the biggest liars and cheats of all time. How long has he been in politics. They need to start putting limitations on how many terms you can run.
But God doesn't say that
So your response is pure nonsense.
And if your going to get into religion please go to the other board.
LOL :-) - sorry that doesn't cut it either
Trying to turn around a situation and make it look as though the people who didn't vote for the anointed ones have drunk the kool-aid???? Sorry, doesn't cut it and your going to have to try to do better than that one. Kool-aid drinkers are the ones that voted for the anointed one totally and blindly. You bought into the lies and didn't even ask questions. People who didn't vote for the messiah are not the kool-aid drinkers, hence the term "kool-aid drinkers".
Unfortunately some of the damage that your lord has done is irreparable. I am asking how many years do you think it will take to fix the harm he has done. That's an appropriate question. Unfortunately it has only been 90 days and I am gathering about 2 years to undo and fix 90 days worth of damage. I hate to see how many more years will be added.
That's because he really doesn't know what's going on.
He's given a written script and if anything varies from what is written, he doesn't know how to answer.
He doesn't tell us to
love their sinful behavior so, YES, you DID miss my point.
Why doesn't this surprise me??
Don't tell her she doesn't have a right to speak
If Cindy Sheehan had the right to spew her feelings Army Mom has that right too. Works both ways as bad as you HATE it...
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