Robertson to build theme park in Israel; Jews unwilling to convert

Avraham Hirschson, the Israeli tourism minister, said: I'm not a theologian, I'm the minister of tourism, and I'm not interested in the politics of our tourists as long as they come here. They come here as tourists, and they're friends of Israel.

• Robertson to build theme park in Israel; Jews unwilling to convert - PK
  • What a hoot!! - MTRE
    • Update: Pat's finally being held accountable - PK
      • Aw, too bad. But, now Michael Jackson... - MTRE
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Just curious.

words out of your post -- no context provided.  Words for Obama include restore, rebuild, hope, inclusiveness, democracy, diplomacy, and last but not least arugula.

the stuff just mounts up.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/15/top-us-communist-says-elect-obama-and-change-the-world/

running through your veins.  You're totally whacked.

Get some help.

as were all these Pro-Lifers kept back behind Bob's Barricade wooden horses....I was there, hundreds were there on 14th Street that day prior to Roe vs Wade being passed....

I was very young....and I remember having this thought....If they are SOOOO interested in what is going on in my and other's uteruses/uteri....why do they NOT take some responsibility for the orphaned/fostered/forgotten children left in this country?  Again, I had that thought in 1973....and 35 years have passed and I STILL have the same thought.......my politics never changed......I am that same person I was then, only more mature, somewhat wiser, and very thankful....and I HAVE taken responsibility for MANY children in this country as I adore children....always have...

wonder just how many prolifers have adopted or fostered children left in fostercare/orphanages in this country.....over the same 35-40 year time frame......

that's not to them, they are entitled to feel what they feel...even though I just reread my post and it could be interpreted that way (and sorry for that) -

just get out of our bodies......our bodies, ourselves....(and Our Bodies, Ourselves is a book read way back then too)...and try to think about kids already here, abandoned or given up with no mentoring.....there are thousands of them in the USA.

Peace to all.....

people who publicly claim that they and their followers are the only people who are good enough to go to heaven.  It's easy for Americans to just dismiss these snake oil salesmen and their followers as whackos, just laugh at them and brush them off as having no importance.

You're right.  The inmates are going to be running the asylum if Harriet Miers becomes a Supreme Court Justice, and America will continue its downward 5-year spiral backwards time.  I already wrote to Senator Harry Reid a couple days ago, basically asking what he was thinking when he was hoodwinked by Bush and Miers.  I've also written to many of the Senators on the Judiciary Committee.  I obviously don't live in all of their states, but at the federal level, I feel my voice is just as important in such a serious matter as this.  I do live in Senator Specter's state, and he will probably be tired of hearing from me before it's all said and done.

I hope those who have strong concerns about precisely the things described in the article you posted do the same and write to the Senators on the Judiciary Committee...unless you're okay with the Bible replacing the Constitution and the inmates running the asylum.

As far as God's actual involvement in all this, I'm starting to wonder if God is getting fed up with the inherent evil of this White House and all the lies and corruption that accompany it.  Maybe it's actually God's love and pursuit of the truth that will result in Bush's house of cards toppling over in the next few weeks as, one by one his scandals, are revealed to the world and hopefully many indictments will be handed out.

Didn't you know that? They have been here for years. Do you hear them begging for a bailout? Nope. Because they build decent cars.

The 3 big ones didn't bother to take heed during the last gas crunch and didn't learn a dang thing. If they did, we would have good cars now. GM built a good motor; the V6 3 liter engine. Our Old's Delta 98 (big luxury car)  V6 got 30 MPH. Our Buick LeSabre gets 28 MPH. Why didn't they put those engines in all their cars?

Because the AMERICAN PEOPLE wanted big, bad SUVs and V8 engines. So...if you want to sell cars, you build what people want.

Just like political arena, as soon as something goes wrong in America, they blame the president. As soon as high gas prices hit, they blamed the car companies and turn their backs on them and now they're in a mess. BUT, it doesn't mean they shouldn't have been working on alternate energy cars. Prius, made by Toyota, has been out for a few years now; 48 MPH.  Can't buy one now because that's what everybody wants. Yet when they first came out, hardly any takers.

So, it's not all the fault of the president or car companies. Think about it.

Police said they were treating the death in Chingford of Neil Coulbeck, who worked for the Royal Bank of Scotland until 2004, as unexplained.

He had been interviewed by the FBI as a potential witness.

Three ex-workers of RBS subsidiary NatWest are being extradited to the US on Thursday to face fraud charges.

and I was enjoying the 700 club last year.  They have some good Christian stories on there and motivational things that I actually liked.  That was until one day Pat started talking politics and throwing his opinions around as if they were God's.  That show hasn't gotten a rating point from me since then.  He's definitely a radical in my book.

How do you think Jews feel when Obama shuns The Holocaust.  Did their white skin give them a pass in any way before they were thrown en mass into those ovens?  It wasn't right then, either.  None of it is.

Just something to think about. 

is absolutely correct.  What was posted previously:  Wright said, according to Virginia's Daily Press. "They will not let him ... talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is." 

What was said:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfDeRY7IgcQ

Please note what was left out (replaced with "...").  He's not just slamming Jews in general.  He's talking about the influence of the Jewish vote in this country (which is a problem).

"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing of the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said. 

This is also true.  The man is doing nothing more than speaking the truth and getting harrassed for it.

You described with great candor and honesty the most extreme side of your religion, and I appreciate the glimpse into a life that I otherwise didn't know existed.

I think many of us have experience with extremes.  They're usually dirty little secrets that most people won't admit.  Maybe it's time that some of them come out into the open.  You've been open enough to describe some aspects of your personal life (which took a lot of courage in THIS arena).  You've also triggered some not to good memories in my life.

I remember growing up in a small town as a child with my parents, my friends' parents, all my relatives (from different little towns in different states), ALL Christians and ALL HATING Jews.  They blamed the liberal media on the Jews who controlled it.  (I've heard this allegation again recently, in the last couple years, as well, so nobody can convince me that Christians suddenly love Jews.)  If anything could make the veins in their neck pop out, it was th emention of the money the U.S. gave to Israel.  The John Birch Society and Barry Goldwater were icons in my home.  My father even voted once for George Wallace for president.

If a prominent Jew in my little town was a successful attorney, doctor or banker, they were referred to as such with (fill in the blank) derogatory terms preceding the Jew occupation. Jew and blacks.  They received equal condemnation.

My father was a terrible bigot and racist.  My cousin had a black POODLE that my dad wouldn't even permit in the house.  He paid school tuition for another school during my first two years in school so I wouldn't have to go to the school less than a mile away from me because the students were 99% black.  Then he couldn't afford it any more, and I was sent to the closer school.

Will never forget one Saturday when I was in third grade, going downtown with my parents for the day and seeing one of my classmates with her family, who we passed on the street.  We both smiled at each other and said hello.  My father SCREAMED at me in front of my classmate and her family, telling me I wasn't allowed to speak to _____.  I remember feeling humiliated beyond belief, and that hurt even more than the beating I got with his belt when we got home.  The embarrassment lasted a lot longer than the welts on my legs from that beating.  Whatever lesson he was trying to teach me backfired because all I could think of was how nice my schoolmate was and how STUPID and HATEFUL he acted.

When I was a teenager, I worked for the local radio station and became very friendly with the news director (a JEW).  He used to get me involved in all different aspects of the station that had nothing to do with my job.  (He even talked me into doing a commercial.)  If he had been a Jewish classmate of mine who I had been hanging out with, I would have been punished yet again.  Instead, my mom thought it was so cool because this guy was basically a celebrity who was on the radio daily.  I learned the true meaning of hypocrite very early on in my life.

In my mid 20s, I went to work for a Jewish attorney in my small town.  Never, ever, EVER was I treated so well at a job with bonuses and raises, etc.  Gorgeous bachelor to boot!  LOL.  We became very good friends and sometimes would have a drink after work together and just talk.  I remember once he told me that I was the only girlfriend he ever had.  When I asked him what he meant, he said Well, you're a girl, and you're my friend.  LOL. 

My daughter was in grade school at the time (ironically at the very same school I mentioned above), and every afternoon, I would leave the office to pick her up from school and bring her back to the office so she could be safe and with me until my workday ended.  This wasn't my idea.  It was HIS.  I remember once when my birthday was on a weekend, he called me with a work emergency and asked me if I could go to the big city (about an hour away where he lived and had another office) to help with some work. He told me to bring my daughter who could stay with his mom and watch wrestling on their big screen TV while I worked.  (My daughter and his mom both believed it was real, and they were good buddies.)  The whole thing was a rouse just to get us there.  He surprised us with a weekend stay at the plushest hotel there, room service, movies, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that we wanted, and he paid for it.

While I worked for him, my beloved aunt died.  She truly was a Christian, was the organist at church, and most importantly, lived her life in a loving way (unfortunately, not a hereditary trait in my family). She had named me as co-owner on a certificate of deposit.  My Christian aunts, her sisters and the executors of her estate, refused to give it to me.  I'll never forget going to my aunt's house at their request, only to have them all sitting like some kind of posse on the front porch, SCREAMING at me for everyone to hear, telling me I'd never get it, and telling me to go run to my ***damn Jew lawyer.  I finally did have to hire a lawyer, but it wasn't him.  I was too ashamed of my family to involve him in this.  They were finally forced to turn it over to me about a year later, but they never gave me my mother's wedding gown, which I had requested and which had always been stored at my aunt's house.  I had wanted to give it to my daughter for her wedding, but I never saw it again.  What wonderful Christians.

I refuse to believe that my small town was the only one in America with such wonderful Christian values, and I lived in the north.  It's even worse in some areas of the south.  From reading these boards, it's obvious that many of today's Christians are driven by extreme gutteral hatred, so I'm VERY surprised to suddenly see that they're so sympathetic to Jews.  I don't believe for one second that they have an iota of respect for Jews -- either the ethnic group or the religion.  What I do believe is that they're only thinking of the LOCATION of Israel and how it affects THEIR religion.  Maybe I wouldn't feel that way if the hatred and intolerance and lies of some of these posters wasn't so obvious and if they didn't follow so closely the policies of Bush that do nothing but take us back into the 1950s (as Roberts would like to do, particularly with women).  So many of these people remind me of the mentality I experienced in my childhood, and I believe it's alive and well today.  The only difference they're wolves in sheeps' clothing today because they can no longer publicly say the things that I heard growing up and can only say these things in private when they're with their kind.  In my adult life still, some misread me and think I'm one of them.  It still exists.  It's alive and well in America.

This sudden love of Israel and Jews is about the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen come from loving, tolerant Christians.

The can go ahead and flame away.  Wrap themselves in the Bible and the American flag and destroy, deny and lie.  That's how some American Christians communicate today, from Bush all the way down, down, DOWN to some posters on these boards.  I must have somehow missed the day when God decided to condone blatant lying.  I believe that's morally wrong.  But what do I know about values?  I'm a liberal.

NO ONE WHO TALKS ABOUT PERFECTING JEWS IS ENTERTAINING..DO YOU UNDERSTAND??

Yes, well, I admire their faith.  And this will be my last discussion with you on this particular subject. 

The disclosure that last month Governor Palin's church hosted the executive director of Jews for Jesus, who told congregants that violence against Israeli Jews is God's punishment for their failure to accept Jesus, is going to be the next club that Mrs. Palin's leftist critics pick up against her. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency quotes Mrs. Palin's pastor at Wasilla Bible Church, Larry Kroon, as saying that he doesn't believe Jews for Jesus are deceptive. "Look at Paul and Peter and the others — they were Jews and believed in Jesus as the messiah," he told JTA. "There's gentile believers and there's Jewish believers that acknowledge Jesus as messiah. There's Swedish believers."

They go on to half-assedly defend Palin by mentioning Jeremiah Wright and how there's no "religious test" for the presidency, but the Jews For Jesus are far outside the mainstream even for practicing evangelicals. Jewish Defense League Anti-Defamation League [I do know the difference! Whoops!] head Abe Foxman is pretending it's not a big deal by invoking the Spanish Inquisition (done by Catholics, not Protestants!) but his own organization has a longer, richer history of warning people about the deceptive and offensive tactics of the Jews for Jesus.

Sarah Palin's Jews for Jesus setting up shop in Wasilla, Alaska almost reminds us of Michael Chabon's charming The Yiddish Policeman's Union, his detective novel set in an alternate universe in which Americans settled Jewish WWII refugees in Alaska and Israel died before it was born. The incongruous idea of a Jewish settlement in far-off Sitka gives the book much of its uneasy atmosphere, especially in the mentions of the current fictional President of the US, an evangelical Christian promising to finally kick those Jews out of the pristine frontier, "pledging to restore Alaska for Alaskans, wild and clean."

The Democrats more or less handed Florida over to the Republicans when they selected (sorry, we'll say it) a black man without a rich history of pro-Israel hawkishness (even though he saw the light and came around pretty dam quick). This, though, might actually put it back in play.