Trying to dodge the facts again I see
Posted By: I just gotta be me on 2009-02-27
In Reply to: So now you're claiming to know what I "know." - Marmann
You know very well that that wasn't the point. It doesn't take a mind reader to see when faced with facts you change the subject. Yes it is a republican bashing board and if you don't agree then you haven't been reading the posts on this board. This board meaning the politics section of MT Stars. Just wanted to state that as you must be looking at the wrong board. I'm talking about this one here. But I guess you think that bashing republicans/independents and anyone who doesn't agree with you is not really bashing. Then the bashing posters pat themselves on the back congratulating each other for the wonderful bashing they just did with a self-righteous attitude, but I guess you don't consider that bashing. All you have to do is read the posts one by one and you will see.
Just going down the board just a short ways I found 17 bashing of republicans to 6 nonbashing (rebuttals to the bashing). I haven't come across any posts that started out with the original poster bashing someone who doesn't think the way they do.
But then I guess you consider Republican/independent bashing not to really be bashing.
Of course you find any article that bashes the republicans and is filled with propaganda to be interesting, but it certainly is not going to render any "thoughtful or intelligent discussions" just more of the same mumbo jumbo.
By the way, I never said your posts cause me any distress. Don't know where you came up with that one. Probably the same place you think this is a vitrolic Democrat-hating board. Just because you say it is doesn't mean its true.
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This from the Queen of dodge.
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She did not dodge the question. ...
Katie Couric was going to keep hounding her, trying to get her to say something she was not going to say. I think she honestly had no knowledge if the man was still getting money from fannie or not, and why should she, and what would that have to do with being Vice President of the Unites States. The campaign told her, and he told her, he was not still getting money from them. She told Katie Couric what she knew...and the same stance the campaign and the man himself has said...he stopped doing any lobbying for fannie and taking any money from them when he started with the McCain campaign because of conflict of interest...the same reason that Joe Biden's son (a professional lobbyist in DC for quite awhile now) stopped his lobbying when his dad got the nomination, because of conflict of interest. Don't look for Katie Couric to be asking Biden about his son and MBNA. The mainstream media has a clear bias. I thought Palin did well not to fall into the carefully laid trap. It was not that she dodged...Katie Couric made it appear that way because she was not willing to accept the answer Palin gave. That is a "gotcha" interview.
No, I have not seen a proposal from either candidate about not using taxpayer dollars to help this crisis. I don't think that is possible...the government in and of itself has no money. Any money they have comes from us, the taxpayer, so any money they use comes from us, the taxpayer. We are left holding the bag.
I do have a problem, tho, with spending billions to to buy up bad mortgages where people made bad decisions, taking on a mortgage they know they could not afford. The rest of us wh struggle to make mortgage payments are getting zip out of this, except to take care of those people as well. And you KNOW the government is not going to foreclose on anyone...political suicide. So what happens then? If they do bail them out, then they need to restructure them in some way that those people can continue to make payments.
We'll see.
another dodge. The question is about
It does not involve invoking the name of his opponent. Obviously, there is not one single republican on this board with enough balls to conujure up anything that remotely resembles a McCain economic initiative. Actually, no answer is really an answer in an of itself. You can't do it because of the elephant in the room. His policies are an exact duplication of W's....the policies that an entire nation is running far and wide to escape.
I have a 1991 Dodge with 450,000
miles on it. We have rebuilt the rear end, but it still has the original clutch. Again, pulled a heavy horse trailer for many many of those miles.
You give me a direct answer. You dodge it like he does.
How can he give 95% of AMericans a tax cut if 30-40% of Americans pay no federal income taxes. Either he is lying about the 95%, or he is going to use refundable tax credits. How else can he do it? PLEASE, PLEASE, explain that to me. If I am wrong, all you have to do is explain to me HOW he is going to give tax cuts to 95% of people, 30-40% of whom DO NOT PAY federal income taxes, wITHOUT cutting them a check. Please, please explain that to me.
Sam understands the basic principles of socialism and Marxism just fine. Most of which Mr Obama taught me in his books and associations. Which you are willing to ignore.
So please...very simply. Explain to me how he is going to give tax breaks or cuts to 95% of Americans if 30-40% of that group don't pay taxes. You said yourself, he can't. So either he is lying about the 95%...or he is going to cut that 30-40% a check.
PLEASE explain his tax plan to me since you are such an expert on it. HOW is he going to do it without cutting checks? HOW?
Good dodge, but it doesn't let you off the hook with regards to the point
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nice dodge. You didn't answer the question.
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New Orleans collects dead as officials dodge blame
By Mark Egan
NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - New Orleans began the gruesome task of collecting its thousands of dead on Sunday as the Bush administration tried to save face after its botched rescue plans left the city at the mercy of Hurricane Katrina.
Except for rescue workers and scattered groups of people, streets in the once-vibrant capital of jazz and good times were all but abandoned after a mass exodus of hundreds of thousands of refugees into neighboring Texas and other states.
Battered and sickened survivors made no attempt to disguise their anger: We have been abandoned by our own country, Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish, just south of New Orleans, told NBC's Meet the Press.
It's not just Katrina that caused all these deaths in New Orleans, Broussard said. Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area, and bureaucracy has to stand trial before Congress now.
After a nightmare confluence of natural disaster and political ineptitude that al Qaeda-linked Web sites called evidence of the wrath of God striking America, National Guard troops and U.S. marshals patrolled the city, stricken in the days after the hurricane by anarchic violence and looting.
Local and federal officials said they expected to find thousands of corpses still floating in flood waters or locked inside homes and buildings destroyed by the devastating storm that struck the U.S. Gulf coast last Monday.
When we remove the water from New Orleans, we're going to uncover people who died hiding in houses, who got caught by the flood. People whose remains will be found in the street, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told Fox News.
AS UGLY AS YOU CAN IMAGINE
There'll be pollution. It is going to be about as ugly a scene as you can imagine.
Later, Chertoff flew into New Orleans and said the search for storm victims would be arduous. Let me be clear: we're going to have to go house to house in this city, he said. This is not going to happen overnight.
President George W. Bush, who in a rare admission of error, conceded on Friday that the results of his administration's relief efforts were unacceptable, said on Saturday he would send 7,200 more active-duty troops over three days. Continued ...
© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.
See link for entire article.
Facts are facts - sorry you don't like it cos it doesn't support your candidate
You can't change facts. That's what makes them facts. You may not like it but that's the way it is.
Facts are facts. No bash intended.
It will be this stellar record from which voters will be assessing her and her running mate.
If you're offended, too bad. Facts are facts...
I know Muslims in this country who have turned from the hateful evil beliefs that were forced down their throats. They did not have the freedom to learn anything else growing up. But after they gained their freedom and came here, they were able to receive the Word of God and they have told me that NEVER were they taught anything about loving others, just other Muslims, and that the God they learned about spoke of nothing but killing and hate... so if Obama is receiving large donations from those middle eastern countries, as you say, and he is grounded in Muslim culture, being taught this in school for years as a child, do you honestly think he doesn't carry some of those beliefs with him? He's never denounced it.
Here ya go.........
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
stating facts folks, just the facts....if it's getting
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Folks want facts, you give'm facts and still
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This poster wants facts, facts, facts...
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Poster wants facts, facts, facts.....
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When you can't fight facts for facts
then it's buh-bye....well buh-bye to you too....I'll have a dicussion with someone who will discuss and not blame.
When you can't fight facts for facts then it's buh-bye.
Facts, stick to the facts...sm
The subject here is the media and their treatment of Gov. Palin, which continues to this day, to this minute, by the liberal left.
Tthe media threw down their gauntlet as soon as she was picked on that Friday, and hounded her for almost a full week.
And you think she should have waved a white flag at them in her acceptance speech? She put them on notice, that she is above them. And continues to be, with grace and style.
She's not whining, and neither are we.
I just shake my head at your audacity.
The media is the one that started this with her, and you would do well to remember the facts in her case.
IN this case, the facts are the facts.........
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You don't have any facts. HELLO???!!!!! NM
You don't have any facts! sm
Are you actually saying you know more than those doing the investigation? My, you are a powerful person! Will we be seeing your name soon in the headlines as "she who knows all" heading the investigation? Share your knowledge! Inquiring minds want to know!
Oh I'd like to see what facts you have
to back that one up.
My facts came from....
the Summary of Ferderal Individual Income Tax Data and yours came from some self-proclaimed non-partisan watchdog group. Tell me who I am going to believe?
Facts
Thanks for the FACTS.
Facts
We know for a fact that the person impersonating Stephen Crockett is not actually Stephen Crockett and we know for a FACT that people who have been trolling the conservative board for the past week spouting profanity, vile innuendos also posts on the L-board under different monikers. This person's posts has been turned into the FBI for their implied threats on the president, so this is serious. This is no longer a game, so if you truly are not the one posting under several different monikers on the C-board then you have nothing to worry about. However, somebody here does have something to worry about.
And oh, BTW, I am not Nan, Brunson, or any of the usual suspects you might think.
Some more facts
http://www.ipcc.ch/about/procd.htm
Above is the web site for IPCC, everything you ever wanted to know which is not much if you are a nonbeliever. They have been around since 1988 and include the World Meteorology Organization among others. It is a worldwide, inclusive organization with contributors from just about everywhere.
I don't know how global warming is seen as a step towards socialism, quite a stretch. All we want is for people to act more responsibly towards the earth we all share. Alternative fuels have been around since pre WWII. We know how to do it. We just don't and again, it's all about money all the time. What is wrong with using alternative sources of energy, it hardly makes one a socialist. If we used natural oils, say corn oil for cars.. the farmers who have suffered financial losses and loss of family farms would be back in business. Somebody would have to grow all that corn. Then it would have to be refined. Then, automobiles would have to be converted to be able to run on oil. All the automobile workers who have been laid off (13,000 Chrysler over the next 3 years - another one bites the dust) could work again. Cars would need to be built differently and the existing cars would need to be converted. Seems like the whole thing would be putting a lot of Americans to work. Whether you believe in global warming or not how could implementing these changes be harmful or turn us all into socialists. Its a good thing.
whose facts? Yours? Or the ones fed to you?
it's your choice......that's for sure....
The Facts
Obama's father was raised Muslim but not a radical Muslim and was NOT a practicing Muslim when he met and married Obama's mother. Obama's parents split, and his mother married an Indonesian oil manager, and they moved to Jakarta, Indonesia. Obama attended various schools in Indonesia for 4 to 5 years, including a Catholic. The only way any school he attended could be called Muslim is that most of the students who attended this school were from Muslim families, as Indonesia is primarily a Muslim country. He received a few hours of religious instruction per week in these schools. Obama's mother then sent him back to the U.S. to live with his grandmother. Obama has been a member of the United Church of Christ since the ྌs. Obama never received any indoctrination from his father, as his father was absent from his life since the age of 2. Obama was sworn into office with a Bible.
Get your information from somewhere else than false, inflammatory mass emails.
What facts do you need? sm
This is the whole article so a link won't do you much better. It was an AP article. The article was not complete rhetoric.
Yes, both sides do have problems. I am not disputing that at all. I'm just trying to prove again that you can't take everything at face value, politicians like to twist things and take snippets out if it is to their benefit. Notice, I said politicians - as in the whole species, not just Dem or Rep.
That's because you don't want facts and won't look for
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Know your FACTS first
I am not afraid of a black man raised by a white family or a black family or any other family. Interesting post as you do not know my ethnicity but jump with in with your own assumption. What I am afraid of is ANY racism because I do believe in equality.
They are facts
that can be verified.
Facts
Perhaps if you stopped rah-rahing the Republicans and bad-mouthing the Democrats you could see the facts and realize that both parties and all 4 candidates are as crooked as a barrel of snakes. Both sides are to blame for this mess!
facts about him
It sounds to me as though you may be afraid of the truth. I'd love to hear that you watched it and then come back here and continue giving him a free pass.
It already changed many voters' minds.
This is what happens when you have no facts
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FACTS, FACTS, FACTS, FACTS, FACTS
Biden Has Served As Obama's Top Foreign Policy Critic, Even Saying Obama Is Not Ready To Be President:
Biden Said Obama Is Not Ready To Serve As President. ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'" Sen. Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement." (ABC's, "This Week," 8/19/07)
Biden: "If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake..." (Sen. Joe Biden, "The Diane Rehm Show," 8/2/07)
Biden: "Having Talking Points On Foreign Policy Doesn't Get You There." ("Biden Lashes Out At Obama," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 8/2/07)
Biden Attacked Obama For Voting Against Funding U.S. Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan, Accusing Him Of "Cutting Off Support That Will Save The Lives Of Thousands Of American Troops." Biden: "And, look, Tim, if you tell me I've got to take away this protection for these kids in order to win the election, some things aren't worth it. Some things are worth losing over. That would be worth losing over. Hundreds of lives are being saved and will be saved by us sending these vehicles over which we are funding with this supplemental legislation. And I want to ask any of my other colleagues, would they, in fact, vote to cut off the money for those troops to protect them? That's the right question. This isn't cutting off the war. This is cutting off support that will save the lives of thousands of American troops." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 9/9/07)
Biden On Obama's Leadership On Iraq: "I Don't Recall Hearing A Word From Barack About A Plan Or A Tactic." (Jason Horowitz, "Biden Unbound: Lays Into Clinton, Obama, Edwards," The New York Observer, 2/4/07)
Biden On Whether He Would Meet Unconditionally With The Leaders Of Rogue States As Obama Said He Would: "Absolutely Positively No." Biden: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president? Absolutely positively no." (Sen. Joe Biden, Remarks At The National Press Club, Washington, DC, 8/1/07)
I realize it is painful to read but PROOF nonetheless.
I don't think you have your facts exactly right.
Even McDonalds pays better than minimum wage.
And you get your facts where?
You mistake "facts" with heresay. You dismiss FACTS by saying McCain was absolved of any wrongdoing in the Keating 5 scandal. Not quite.
You want facts? So do I.
One would do. Give me facts that he was born in the US. Make him show his real birth certificate.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/
He does not state truth and if he does, he changes it. New middle age class now 120,000K. He now has to kill expectations of what people think he can do if he wins. I could go on and on. Where did he get all this money for his campaign? Through unauthorized prepaid credit cards and who from? His aunt now may be living here illegal and I fear he is too. No wonder he wants to change all illegals to legal here in the US. There is something about him that is not right. By the way, I am a democrate, not a pub. I will admit he sure is a smooth talker.
the facts are
All Americans vote for their reprsentatives. That's the Constitution.
Millions of babies? How about hundreds of thousands of American lives plus millions affected by those deaths by a war founded on LIES.
Abortion, gay marriages, and the right to bear arms only works politically when things are going right in American and we have nothing else to fight about. They are nonpolitical issues and are things that God will deal with when we get there (sans bearing arms).
You can actually make these statements in the face of what has gone on in the past 8 years?
I'm not quite sure what your last paragraph meant, but I make my own bed. I just expect certain things from my leaders, honesty and decisions made in the best interest in the majority of the citizens being first on my list, not just the elite. That priority has not been met by our previous leader/party. So I voted for change. I guess I'm not the only one who felt this say.
Oh no! More facts (sm)
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal.html
That's where I get my facts too. n/m
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facts are facts
myths are myths. Believe as you wish; it doesn't matter now. Again, how is that book and recording deal coming along?
YOU have no facts. You believe what you want.
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The facts
1. The OPs post was about how he is like one of us because he eats Chilidogs and cheese fries. Even read the post again and that is what it says (and other posters said the same thing) - he is not one of us.
2. It was replied to with the usual kool-aid laced reply of how wonderful for our god to be out there in public at a time we need him most, I feel safer already, etc etc.
3. I was not the only poster that thought that was absolutely ridiculous and nauseating. And all my post said was get off the kool-aid and that message was weirder than the OP.
4. I was then called chubby and tried to be ridiculed (which it didn't work) and told to keep my negativity to myself. Which was quite strange coming from a poster who has been attacking anyone below who doesn't agree with her.
5. I replied back that I am far by anything chubby. The poster I replied to was implying I have no freinds and am miserable and alienated. Well I guess we all know what they say about people who assume. I replied I am certainly not chubby and I have many friends who are on different waves of politics but we don't cut each other down because of the way we feel politically. My response was a positive one, not a negative cut down that was directed at me.
6. You then felt the need to reply to that and add some more insults and was quite negative.
7. I replied to you that you have a lot of negativity and you should try an activity to release some of that negativity. Still not a negative post, to which you then decided to reply with more negativity. Oh and on top of that you just happen to be a bike rider. Wow, what a small world we live in.
I actually didn't read any further than that line because I new it would be more of the same insults and the same. The negativity coming back to me does me no good. I would say if your not releasing your negativity by bike riding you might want to try a good comedy. It does wonders for the soul and brings one into a wonderful uplifting mood.
Gotta laugh in life from time to time otherwise...well life just wouldn't be any fun.
Where are your facts?
Don't mistake your BELIEFS for FACTS. If you can back this up with facts, then it will hold some water.
Anyone can make inflammatory comments without any truth behind them.
Facts.
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Facts? What are those?
"Facts" lie in the eyes of the beholder..................did I say lie?
Facts?
What are you trying to say? That I'm lying? That the facts I've cited aren't true? That they're only true for me and not for you? Are you being obtuse because you have nothing to say?
Sheesh...
some more facts -
George W. Bush, D#ck Cheney's 2007 White House Bills
A recent report discloses Bush and Cheney's office expenditures for 2007
Posted February 19, 2009
- $12,337,476: Amount spent on improvements and repair of the Executive Residence at the White House
- $8,694: Entertainment expenses for President Bush
- $52, 974: Entertainment expenses for Vice President Cheney
- $103,325: Subsistence expenses for those traveling with the president
some more facts -
George W. Bush, D#ck Cheney's 2007 White House Bills
A recent report discloses Bush and Cheney's office expenditures for 2007
Posted February 19, 2009
- $12,337,476: Amount spent on improvements and repair of the Executive Residence at the White House
- $8,694: Entertainment expenses for President Bush
- $52, 974: Entertainment expenses for Vice President Cheney
- $103,325: Subsistence expenses for those traveling with the president
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