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Well that most recent 67% approval rating

Posted By: ain't too shabby. sm on 2008-12-10
In Reply to: Why do any of you think Obama and his Chicago - thugs have ANY credibility? No "change" ther

How credible do you think you are by passing judgment on Obama administration 6 weeks before he is even sworn into office?


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YEP, that is why their approval rating is ....
GASSSSPPPPPP lower than...omg no say it ain't so......BUSH'S. ROFL.
80% approval rating
Because Alaska is full of A-holes, like 50% of this country.
Yep, his approval rating is low.
But the democratic Congress is lower after just 2 years.
They only have a 9% approval rating...way to go! nm
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The 80% approval rating was for....(sm)
how he was handling the transition.
His approval rating is 63%
Obviously everybody else in the country likes him and thinks he is doing a good job.

The one on this board only come here to gripe, because obviously the other 27% (hmmm....could they be the ones who approved of Bush - wasn't that HIS approval rating at the end??) are MTs and come to this board.

By reading this nonsense, you would think the rest of the country sided with them. Glad to know it's not true!
She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska...
to me that indicates that the voters who put her there are very happy they put her there. THat includes Democrats, Republicans, and Independents.

The man was corrupt. She got rid of corruption. Most Presidents when they go into the job, as well as most governors, "clean house" when they go into office, whether they are corrupt or not. You act like that is something that is "not done." Good grief.

My bias is showing? Now THAT is rich. LOL.

Okay...first, what an elitist comment. A tiny Alaska community? Those people don't count? Well you certainly relegated them to the back back back burner didn't you? Tell me again how important the "little" people are! She has 12 months of actual executive experience. Obama has none. She is going to be second chair, not first. She has an 80% approval rating...Obama never HAS had that, except from NARAL, who gave him 100%. I would say that her constituents are happier with her than Obama's were with him.

I think she is ready for the "big boys." Let's see how she does in the debates with Biden.

Why is it that Democrats laud democratic whistleblowers and diss Republican ones??

Unless McCain dies or incapacitated, she won't be getting that 3:00 call. But since you brought it up...this little person has a question about that 3:00 call. Is Obama going to call Joe Biden on the other line???
Why did Palin have any over 80% approval rating?
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Yep, they actually have a lower approval rating than
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She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska...
so obviously "most" of the people in Alaska do not agree.
I have seen her very low and still slipping approval rating, YES nm
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With a 37% approval rating, I daresay
these are *embittered partisan protests.* So, maybe you aren't proud, but I still do not feel my *indignation* is misplaced. You are the one thinking partisan.
Obama's approval rating............ sm
According to the RPC, Obama's overall approval rating has slipped to just slightly over 60% and Congress' approval rating is at a whopping 33.3% and 61.2% of those polled feel that this country is on the wrong track. 

Just thought I'd share that bit of dismal news. 
That wasn't an approval rating, it was desperation
When an economic recession is looming, people become scared and will do just about anything hoping things will turn around...... that is the only reason Obama got the vote, that and a few states that haven't a clue about what it's like paying for lazy baby makers and their daddies all day long....

Flame all you want!!!!
Yeah, poor Sarah and her 80% approval rating.
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Gallup Poll shows a 62-67% approval rating.......nm

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P.S. Please don't let the recent

influx of rudeness on this board change your mind about coming here.  As you can see by reading the whole board, most of us don't treat each other rudely.


I don't agree with the present administration in this country, but I'm basically a very happy, cordial, friendly person.  Most of the other posters on this board seem to be very friendly and easy going, too.


So don't let a few bad apples spoil your experience here.


seen both recent ones

Excellent movies.  Should be required viewing in high school civics class.  If, like Mrs. Palin wishes, creationism be taught along side science, then Michael Moore's beautifully patriotic films should be too.


 


Recent Russo interview ...sm
With Conscious Media Network. Of course, it wasn't on CNN, etc. I have seen the trailers.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3254488777215293198&q=aaron+russo
he addressed that issue in a recent

interview.  There is much more to the story that the article does not include.  Biden's explanation seemed reasonable when I heard it.  You can, of course, disagree with me on that point.


 


Recent history lesson....(sm)
Before Prop 8 gay marriage was legal in Calf.....therefore, a RIGHT.  Prop 8 took that RIGHT away.
No, I was talking about the recent Wounded Knee. sm
It would be an insult to say that the original Wounded Knee was nothing to be proud of.  It was a ghastly tragedy, one of a long line, against the American Indian. History books don't do justice to the injustice and horror of the original Wounded Knee.  
Do you have more recent figures, and what is this source, if you do not mind? and..
and again, if you will actually read my posts before attacking, I said we had more social programs than others...I would also like to know if they are comparing apples to apples...meaning countries the same size as ours with the same population as ours. You also quoted from 2001. I am sure the number of people in worst-off houses increased...they probably had more children. Does not make sense to me to have more children when you are already struggling to feed those you have. But that is what the welfare system in this country encourages. When you have second and third generation families on welfare, there is something WRONG with the system. Again...read what I actually post and then come with your rebuttal, and come with a rebuttal that has substance and not cut and paste from some old statistics (probably Wikipedia, right?).
read recent newsmax article








Take a look at the date...


Olbermann Still Lying About O’Reilly, Fox Ratings










MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann has won the Worst Liar in the World Award once again.


His latest big fib is not a new one.


He continues to claim that he is beating “The O’Reilly Factor,” the longtime king of cable news programs hosted by Bill O’Reilly of Fox News.


But the numbers show otherwise. But that apparently doesn’t bother Olbermann.


MSNBC took out a full-page ad in The New York Times proclaiming “A Sweeping Victory” for its ratings and declared “Countdown With Keith Olbermann” the No. 1 cable news program.


Independent ratings consistently show O’Reilly gets about twice the ratings Olbermann does.


Although Olbermann frequently leads his viewers to believe he has overtaken “The O’Reilly Factor,” in this case the numbers really do speak for themselves.


O’Reilly’s program, which Fox airs at 8 and 11 p.m. ET Monday through Friday, averaged about 4 million viewers a night during the month of October, compared with Olbermann’s average of about 2 million, according to TVbytheNumbers.com, a leading Web site that analyzes the Nielsen ratings.


Olbermann not only overlooks the fact that O’Reilly trounces him but also claims the opposite is true.


Olbermann wrote on MSNBC’s Web site on Oct. 24 that O’Reilly “has seen the ratings spike here at MSNBC and decided that it is the result of a fraudulent conspiracy . . . ”


So how can a news network tout ratings that actual Nielsen research doesn't support?


The explanation is an almost-invisible line of fine print at the bottom of the ad, stating it refers to the 8 to 9 p.m. time slot for the dates Oct. 27 through Oct. 31, for viewers between 25 and 54 years of age.


In other words, MSNBC is touting one time period or ratings category, which is the exception to the overall ratings.


Consider: According to the Nielsen ratings, show on Thursday was the single most-watched program on cable television that week, other than Disney’s “Hannah Montana” and “Monday Night Football.”


The second-most-watched program the week of Oct. 27 was O’Reilly’s program that Tuesday.


And by the way, O’Reilly also hosted the fourth-most-watched cable program that week.


The highest any of Olbermann’s programs placed that week was 19th. (It was the only Olbermann show to crack cable’s top 40 programs that week.)


“O’Reilly’s lead in average viewers is large and has never been challenged by Olbermann,” Bill Gorman, co-founder of TVbytheNumbers.com, tells Newsmax. He points that “Olbermann has substantially increased both his average viewers and adults 24 to 54 substantially over time.” But data shows Reilly continues to regularly outpace Olbermann even in that key demographic group.


Olbermann appeared elated this past week with the election of Barack Obama to the presidency. But the win may be a Pyrrhic victory for the liberal news anchor. Olbermann had positioned himself as the anti-Bush, anti-Republican news source on MSNBC. With Democrats firmly in control of the White House and Congress, it’s questionable that his audience will grow.


Fox, meanwhile, may be a big beneficiary of the Obama win.


So far, the “early returns” suggest Fox may be growing already. On Nov. 5, the day after the elections, Fox kept about 12 percent more of its Election Day audience than MSNBC.


 


Recent article by Bill Mann
The scare ads and op-ed pieces featuring Canadians telling us American how terrible their government health-care systems have arrived - predictably.

There's another, factual view - by those of us Americans who've lived in Canada and used their system.

My wife and I did for years, and we've been incensed by the lies we've heard back here in the U.S. about Canada's supposedly broken system.

It's not broken - and what's more, Canadians like and fiercely defend it.

Example: Our son was born at Montreal's Royal Victoria Hospital. My wife got excellent care. The total bill for three days in a semi-private room? $21.

My friend Art Finley is a West Virginia native who lives in Vancouver.

"I'm 82, and in excellent health," he told me this week. "It costs me all of $57 a month for health care, and it's excellent. I'm so tired of all the lies and bullshit I hear about the system up here in the U.S. media."

Finley, a well-known TV and radio host for years in San Francisco, adds,

"I now have 20/20 vision thanks to Canadian eye doctors. And I haven't had to wait for my surgeries, either."

A Canadian-born doctor wrote a hit piece for Wingnut Central (the Wall Street Journal op-ed page) this week David Gratzer claimed:

"Everyone in Canada is covered by a single payer -- the government. But Canadians wait for practically any procedure or diagnostic test or specialist consultation in the public system."

Vancouverite Finley: "That's sheer b.s."


I heard Gratzer say the same thing on Seattle radio station KIRO this week. Trouble is, it's nonsense.

We were always seen promptly by our doctors in Montreal, many of whom spoke both French and English.

Today, we live within sight of the Canadian border in Washington state, and still spend lots of time in Canada.

Five years ago, while we were on vacation in lovely Nova Scotia, the Canadian government released a long-awaited major report from a federal commission studying the Canadian single-payer system. We were listening to CBC Radio the day the big study came out.

The study's conclusion: While the system had flaws, none was so serious it couldn't be fixed.

Then the CBC opened the lines to callers across Canada.

Here it comes, I thought. The usual talk-show torrent of complaints and anger about the report's findings.

I wish Americans could have heard this revealing show.

For the next two hours, scores of Canadians called from across that vast country, from Newfoundland to British Columbia.

Not one said he or she would change the system. Every single one defended it vigorously.

The Greatest Canadian Ever

Further proof:

Not long ago, the CBC asked Canadians to nominate and then vote for The Greatest Canadian in history. Thousands responded.

The winner? Not Wayne Gretzky, as I expected (although the hockey great DID make the Top 10). Not even Alexander Graham Bell, another finalist.

The greatest Canadian ever?

Tommy Douglas.

Who? Tommy Douglas was a Canadian politician - and the father of Canadian universal health care.
This is interesting, a recent journalist poll on Iraq.

This was pulled from journalism.org.


After four years of war in Iraq, the journalists reporting from that country give their coverage a mixed but generally positive assessment, but they believe they have done a better job of covering the American military and the insurgency than they have the lives of ordinary Iraqis. And they do not believe the coverage of Iraq over time has been too negative. If anything, many believe the situation over the course of the war has been worse than the American public has perceived, according to a new survey of journalists covering the war from Iraq.


"Above all, the journalists—most of them veteran war correspondents—describe conditions in Iraq as the most perilous they have ever encountered, and this above everything else is influencing the reporting. A majority of journalists surveyed (57%) report that at least one of their Iraqi staff had been killed or kidnapped in the last year alone—and many more are continually threatened. “Seven staffers killed since 2003, including three last July,” one bureau chief wrote with chilling brevity. “At least three have been kidnapped. All were freed.”


A majority of journalists surveyed say most of the country is too dangerous to visit. Nine out of ten say that about at least half of Baghdad itself. Wherever they go, traveling with armed guards and chase vehicles is the norm for more than seven out of ten surveyed.


Even the basics of getting the story are remarkably difficult. Outside of the heavily-fortified Green Zone, most U.S. journalists must rely on local staff to do the necessary face-to-face reporting. Yet nearly nine out of ten journalists say their local staff cannot carry any equipment—not even a notebook—that might identify them as working for the western media for fear of being killed. Some local staffers do not even tell their own families.


Most journalists also have a positive view of the U.S. military’s embedding program for reporters. While they acknowledge the limited perspective it provides, they believe it offers access to information they could not otherwise get.


And most journalists, eight out of ten, feel that, over time, conditions for telling the story of Iraq have gotten worse, not better.


The survey, conducted by the Project for Excellence in Journalism from September 28 through November 7, was developed to get a sense of the conditions journalists have faced in trying to cover the war over the last couple of years. It was not designed to poll their sense of the situation in Iraq at this one or any other particular moment in time, or to offer a referendum on the success of the surge. It will be followed, later this year, with a content analysis of coverage on the ground from Iraq.


The survey included responses from 111 journalists who have worked or are currently working in Iraq. The vast majority, 90 of them, were in Iraq when they took the survey or have worked there in 2007, and most have spent at least seven months in the country cumulatively since the war began.


The journalists are from 29 different news organizations (all of them U.S. based except for one) that have had staff in Iraq—including newspapers, wire services, magazines, radio, and network and cable TV. This represents, by best estimates, every news organization in the U.S. save one that has had a correspondent in Iraq for at least one month since January 2006.1


Nearly everyone surveyed also responded to open-ended questions – often at length – offering a vivid and sobering portrait of trying to report an extraordinarily difficult story under terrifying conditions.


“The dangers can’t be overstated,” one print journalist wrote. “It’s been an ambush – two staff killed, one wounded – various firefights, and our ‘home’ has been rocked and mortared (by accident, I’m pretty sure). It’s not fun; it’s not safe, but I go back because it needs to be told.”


Whatever the problems, a magazine reporter offered, “The press….have carried out the classic journalistic mission of bearing witness.”


“Welcome to the new world of journalism, boys and girls. This is where we lost our innocence. Security teams, body armor and armored cars will forever now be pushed in between journalism and stories,” one bureau chief declared.


The Project for Excellence in Journalism, which is non-partisan and non-political, is one of eight projects that make up the Pew Research Center in Washington, D.C., a “fact tank” funded by the Pew Charitable Trusts. Princeton Survey Research was contracted to host and administer the online survey.



Doesn't much sound like the increased troops made things that much safer in general does it?  I think they have tried really hard to report it, but lends credence to the fact that much of what is really going on is not getting out.  I commend them. 

Recent history -- what started TODAY'S mess:

I agree that we should stay OUT of this, though I fear the timing of this all was purposely designed to drag us into it right before Inauguration Day.


Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen




A four-month ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza was in jeopardy today after Israeli troops killed six Hamas gunmen in a raid into the territory.


Hamas responded by firing a wave of rockets into southern Israel, although no one was injured. The violence represented the most serious break in a ceasefire agreed in mid-June, yet both sides suggested they wanted to return to atmosphere of calm.


Israeli troops crossed into the Gaza Strip late last night near the town of Deir al-Balah. The Israeli military said the target of the raid was a tunnel that they said Hamas was planning to use to capture Israeli soldiers positioned on the border fence 250m away. Four Israeli soldiers were injured in the operation, two moderately and two lightly, the military said.


One Hamas gunman was killed and Palestinians launched a volley of mortars at the Israeli military. An Israeli air strike then killed five more Hamas fighters. In response, Hamas launched 35 rockets into southern Israel, one reaching the city of Ashkelon.


"This was a pinpoint operation intended to prevent an immediate threat," the Israeli military said in a statement. "There is no intention to disrupt the ceasefire, rather the purpose of the operation was to remove an immediate and dangerous threat posted by the Hamas terror organisation."


In Gaza, a Hamas spokesman, Fawzi Barhoum, said the group had fired rockets out of Gaza as a "response to Israel's massive breach of the truce".


"The Israelis began this tension and they must pay an expensive price. They cannot leave us drowning in blood while they sleep soundly in their beds," he said.


The attack comes shortly before a key meeting this Sunday in Cairo when Hamas and its political rival Fatah will hold talks on reconciling their differences and creating a single, unified government. It will be the first time the two sides have met at this level since fighting a near civil war more than a year ago.


Until now it had appeared both Israel and Hamas, which seized full control of Gaza last summer, had an interest in maintaining the ceasefire. For Israel it has meant an end to the daily barrage of rockets landing in southern towns, particularly Sderot. For Gazans it has meant an end to the regular Israeli military raids that have caused hundreds of casualties, many of them civilian, in the past year. Israel, however, has maintained its economic blockade on the strip, severely limiting imports and preventing all exports from Gaza.


Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister, had personally approved the Gaza raid, the Associated Press said. The Israeli military concluded that Hamas was likely to want to continue the ceasefire despite the raid, it said. The ceasefire was due to run for six months and it is still unclear whether it will stretch beyond that limit.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians


 


What does an 80% rating really mean? sm

In response to threads from below:


OK.  If you choose to use an 80% stamp of approval from a state whose population is slightly under that of Austin, Texas as some kind of leverage to argue in favor of what's-her-name, go for it.  It means about as much to me as Obama's 80% approval rating in Europe means to you.  All you are doing is preaching to the choir.


Obama followers will continue to illustrate the zillions of ways this woman is not our idea of leadership.  It will have very little to do with who does or does not approve of her.  It has to do with the difference in the issues that are the underpinnings of NeoCon versus democratic values.  McCain did my party a big favor when he decided to put a token woman in that spot after meeting with her once or twice and deciding she is a younger version of himself...someone who he thinks can bring Hillary supporters into the fold while at the same time energizing his conservative base.  It's like my man said...John McCain just does not get it...and neither do you.


She is Pro-life, promotes creationism over evolution, thinks global warming is not a man-made problem, anti-gun control, is on record against fair pay for women, thinks Hillary is a whiner like McCain thinks American economic refugees are whiners, has accepted the nomination as a token female pawn in McCain's political games while thinking she will be advancing her own anemic political career, is under a state ethics committee investigation while portraying herself as the ethics clean-up maiden, supported the bridge to nowhere before it became more political capitol for her to oppose it, etc....and this is what we are hearing after only 24 hours. 


That is why Obama supporters will energize themselves the way you see them doing here and oppose this ticket on any and all levels of opportunities as they present themselves.  An 80% approval rating against all this is a really weak, limp, lame claim to fame.  Got it? 


He got an 80% approval because he is the
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If we had such a low job performance rating...
we'd be in the umemployment line.
How can you have a high rating without doing anything yet?
Oh, I forgot. Dems + hook + line + sinker = Fauxbama for Prez.

Change, change, change.
Hope, hope, hope.
Bull, bull, bull.
Well, since his DISAPPROVAL rating has gone from 12 to 31...
Looks like actually they're a rapidly GROWING breed, wouldn't ya say?


obama rating
Most of you seem to feel that in the next election Obama will have a hard time being re-elected. I just don't agree with that thinking. For one thing, if Acorn is going to be in charge of census taking, he will be a shoe-in. As well, Obama will be awarded the African-American vote as he was in 2008.
Hte to break this to you, but the rating numbers
say NOTHING about where millions and millions and millions of Americans really go for their news. The internet has given us access to global media. MSNBC is still mainstream and, as a leftie, I can tell you that I find their coverage almost as frustrating as CNN and Fixed News. I need the much broader perspective found on local, national and international English-speaking radio talk shows and news accounts from outside the homeland borders found on the net.

I suspect I'm not the only one, considering the numbers reflected in these ratings are so puny when compared to the actual number of adult US citizens who have soundly rejected US monovision mainstream media outlets all together. Then there is the other side of the coin, those Americans who do not listen to the news at all because mainstream is SUCH a turn-off.
Well, giving Obama an 80% approval before
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His approval ratings are dropping.
These are the lowest of all time and they keep dropping. Rasmussen shows 43%-56% approval. He's lost all Republican support, a good part of Independent support, and some democratic support, and the trend is most negative.

Gallup evaluated all presidents going back to Richard Nixon. His 63% level with them is about the same as the average of every president going back to 1968 during their first months in office.

Obama's approval rating went up 1 to 4 points with self-identified democrats but dropped 14% with conservatives

His approval rating is also below where George W. Bush's was in 2001 and is lower than Jimmy Carter's 71% rating

Polling shows there is great economic concerns. 83% are worried what the O has done will not fix the economy and that it will only get worse (go figure), 82% say they are worried about all the money being added to the deficit and inflation, and 69% are worried about the size of government increasing. Additionally, support for the stimulus package has dropped.

Rasmussen also shows that people are opposing Obamas budget 46% to 41%. This is not good news at all.

It also states that voters blame Republicans for the lack of bipartisanship in WA, they also say that the O has not made any progress in improving cooperation between the two parties (another broken campaign promise).

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123690358175013837.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-268-Right-Side-Politics-Examiner~y2009m3d13-Obamas-approval-rating-is-dropping

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2193949/posts

Here is an interesting "blog" of what some people wrote. Most interesting is Post #s 3, 4, and 5.

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=543848&articleId=158501&func=6&channel=People+Connection&filterRead=true&filterHidden=true&filterUnhidden=false


Sorry - the Approval Index is by Rasmussen
+30 the day after his inauguration...down...down...down...a few blips up...but mostly DOWN. Not hard to see why, of course - it's called buyer's remorse. Unfortunately, there's no Lemon Law when it comes to kissing a political toad and learning to our sorrow that it really is just a toad - and was never anything else. In 2012, we'll try a different toad.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Bush Approval Continues to Fall

Could the rest of America be getting a clue?


August 17, 2005



Bush Approval Continues to Fall

President Bush’s job approval has dropped to 41% nationwide, according to the results of 50 separate but concurrent, statewide public opinion polls conducted by SurveyUSA. Bush’s aproval rating ranges from a high of 59% in Idaho to a low of 29% in Rhode Island.

  • Bush is above 50% in 7 states.
  • Bush is at 50% in 2 states.
  • Bush is below 50% in 41 states.
Compared to last month's poll, Bush's approval numbers dropped 5 or more points in 10 states. The single largest drop was in Minnesota, where it fell 10 points. Bush also fell 9 points in New Mexico.

Bush Approval Ratings Have not Bulged...sm

Obama, Democrat Approval Slipping

Obama's approval index (number who strongly approve minus number who strongly disapprove) has slipped to +4 from +30 on taking office.  35% strongly approve, 31% strongly disapprove.


Rasmussen polling also shows that more voters would choose a "generic" Republican over a "generic" Democrat in the next election by a 2-point margin.  Similar polling in recent weeks had previously shown the Democrats to an edge of up to 6 pointts.  This has evaporated.


I predict that the slippage will continue as Democrats overplay their hand in Congress, and as the bill for their drunken spending spree and the unthinkable mountain of debt they're accumulating  begins to land on the average citizen, as it ALWAYS does, one way or another (higher local/state/sales taxes, higher license fees, higher prices, wage stagnation, etc.). 


The reason this always happens is because that's the way economics happens to work and neither Obama, Pelosi nor any of their arrogant commie pals can change the rules of economics - even if they do push us into socialism.  (Some of our younger members should study up on the inequality of income that has resulted under ALL of the socialist, "nanny-state" and/or communist systems.  It will disillusion you about all such schemes forever.)   


Obama Approval Index sinks from +30 to +2

I won't be surprised to see him in negative territory tomorrow once the American people find out what he actually said today in Cairo.  DISGRACEFUL SPEECH!


 


 


That's why Fox news rating are skyrocketing with MSNBC and CNN are going down fast
Fox News - 1,217,000
CNN - 633,000
MSNBC - 482,000

I was surprised to see that CNN has more viewers than MSNBC. Fox news gives you the news and tells you everything - both sides. The other two don't. They just feed you garbage all day.
Obama's Approval Index hits negative territory

The approval index is computed by subtracting the percentage of voters who strongly disapprove of Obama's job performance from those who strongly approve of it.


Once sporting an index in the +30 range, the Big BO (you may interpret "BO" however you wish)  has in a matter of a mere handful of months fallen like Lucifer from Heaven.  May his end be similarly appropriate, politically speaking. Let's make this goofy clown a one-term bozo.


Kyuk-kyuk! ABC Obama-thon Gets Last-Place Rating
If the director of ABC news would care to call me and ask about their rotten ratings, I'll be happy to explain.  I won't even charge for the information, either.
Kyuk-kyuk! ABC Obama-thon Gets Last-Place Rating

Obama-Hops-In-Bed-With-ABC even got hammered by re-runs.


If the director of ABC news would care to call me and ask about their rotten ratings, I'll be happy to explain - and I won't charge for the information, either.


 


http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/06/abcs-white-house-special-struggled-for-viewers.html