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Well, we all know the old "trickle-down economics" of the past admnistrations has not worked,

Posted By: Cyndiee on 2009-01-28
In Reply to: While I am glad - Crabbyolebroad

ever more greed, and then the removal of the banking regulations really set up the rest of the debacle. The President is fighting a GOLIATH here when it comes to all the problems he has INHERITED, we should pray for his wisdom, strength, and security, and at least he is acknowledging short-falls and problems, trying to reach out to both parties, and trying to ACCOMPLISH something real and LASTING for this country, all Bush could do was give checques away, which was supposed to be a quick "shot in the arm" the for economy, but he did not open his eyes to see that when middle to low income families are living in debth and cannot pay for anything, that they are going to pay bill and save some of their money, not go out and buy more cars, TVs, other big ticket items, as he thought. Good solid work programs was what put the country back on its feet back during the Great Depression, it is not a "quick" fix, but a lsting one that reaches into multi levels of the ecomony, the worker, small businesses, etc. Lets's PLEASE give the President a chance beyond his first week!


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It worked for me. It worked for LVMT. Must be something wrong with US, right?
From your attitude on this board, though, it's unlikely you would enjoy it anyway.
This would not be "trickle up"

I doubt there are many posting here who would have money taken from them to give to the "poor." 


I wonder how many MTs working today know what it was like in the 70s and 80s when you could literally write your own ticket?  It wasn't unusual to get calls trying to hire good MTs away from their employer.  It wasn't hard for a good MT to knock down $100,000 annually WITH full benefits, including medical insurance that was paid by the employer for the employee with reasonable cost for family coverage.  Downtime, vacation and sick time was paid at your average production rate rather than some $10/hour cr@p.  Do you think the mega MTSO companies are any less profitable today than they were then?  No, actually they are more profitable.  That is usually the case when any business operates on slave labor, the conditions MTs work under now days.  The company that I worked for most in those days was Transcriptions Limited.  Guess what they became? 


so you'd rather have "Trickle-Up poverty"
yea... that's probably best
It's called "trickle down taxes"....all of Obama's plans....sm
in the end, will RAISE the price and cost of all those businesses who offer services and practices to all of US.....his raising THEIR taxes will RAISE what we spend out of our pockets....not to mention every other TAX which may not be INCOME TAX, will skyrocket, under Obama.


Geez....do all your reserach and do the math
Economics 101...

http://ca.youtube.com/user/weneedmccain


This video explains Obama's economic policies better than I can...


Economics is where it's at.
The subject needs to be changed back to the economy from the anger-tapping, fear-mongering hate fest the McCain camp seems stuck in lately. I think that denial and dismay (not understanding) does keep people from "going there," but this dialog has to start someplace.

In strictly political terms, concepts (some old, some new) such as regulation/deregulation, corporate greed/corruption, anti-trust initiatives vs laissez faire economics, shrinking/disappearing middle class, free trade market conditions/jobs outsourcing and the like come into play. On a more cultural level, consumption economics/consumerism, class disparities in terms of education, healthcare, income, wealth distribution, class and race, isolationist international policies and practices and imperialist perceptions (both national and international) are of issue as well.

Ultimately, it boils down to how we see ourselves now and in the future in terms of national identity. Who are we now? Who do we want to be? How far have we strayed from the founding fathers' ideals. Does it matter? Where do we go from here? What do we want our future to look like. What kind of a world do we want our children and their children to inherit?
You need to understand economics
When McCain talks tax cuts for corporations you people go ballistic. You obviously don't understand the principles behind this, while on the other hand, Obama wants to tax the snot out of them and us.

Corporations have left this country because they can go to other countries that don't tax the snot out of them and they hire THEIR workers. Duh! Get a clue! They even get exempt from taxes in countries that are taking your jobs. Well it doesn't take an expert to figure out you go where you don't pay taxes and can hire people who are forcing unions and junk down your throat, thereby hiring more people.

Obama's taxing the crap out of everybody will continue to PUSH corporations overseas and if you think there aren't any jobs now, you just wait. You'll be lucky to find a hamburger joint that will hire you. Obama wants to tax tax tax EVERYBODY, corporations and you, to pay for all his social programs. Do you not understand what socialism is. Maybe you do and just do not care that you and your country are being sold down the river. Yes, spreading the wealth does necessarily mean enriching some at the expense of others.....that is what socialism is! National wealth is where you are deceived...that would be called government wealth, bigger government, bigger government wealth. You won't be seeing a penny of it.

If you had any clue what it is to run a business, you would be singing a different tune. The companies that have stayed here are being taxed to death already to the point they have to let people go. Those hard-working, bill-paying, nose to the grindstone folks better get a clue because they will be doing not only more of the same, but seeing less money for their hard work on Obama's plan.

Who the heck do you think pays for all the welfare roll now? Mostly the wealthy. Use some common sense, please. The more you make, the more you are taxed. It obviously bears repeating......have you ever seen a poor person giving you a job?

I am amazed at those bitter people who seem to think those that have done very well financially for themselves should be treated and ostricized as if they are bad people, loathsome individuals. Why? Just because you don't have it? If yo did, you would be singing a different tune and would be bothered by someone thinking they had the right to your money to give to those who already live off you free. I don't want the control of national wealth in more hands.

It may not sound great to hear, but you want more money in the hands of people who already don't know how to watch their dollars or how to save? I don't!!
Why do I want to give them more. Those in need do get a lot of help in this community. They get fed very well, their children get clothed very well, they get free healthcare, free everything. None of them are going hungry but I can guarantee you if you keep falling for this Obama "pie in the sky" attitude, you will be hurting big time.

If people would quit living beyond their means and learn to save their money for a rainy day, they wouldn't have so much to gripe about in the first place and all this credit garbage wouldn't be happening. Lets not hold any individuals responsible for any of this....just the hated rich.

I don't want to pay a mortage for anyone who had no business buying a house in the first place or a car or anything else on credit. They knew they couldn't afford it and still didn't care. Now they want to be given more handouts. Not on my dime.

I will help anyone who has fallen on hard times through no fault of their own but do not tell me I have to pay for those greedy people who don't have a clue about saving. All that want is to spend spend spend and then cry "foul" when they don't have it anymore.




Trickle down economics
didn't work under Reagan and it won't work under McCain.  Ever consider water doesn't run uphill?
Economics I can understand

Finally - someone who can describe what's going on/happening that I can understand.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djgH9wA-JSU


 


 


 


You really don't understand economics, do you?

The poster is correct. I don't know why you insist on living in a dream world. I used to respect your comments but I see you really don't understand how supply and emand and/or government really works.


You think everything is a joke. Well, are you going to be laughing when taxes are so high you have a choice to eat or pay taxes?


Are you going to laugh when the country is broke (whopps - that has already happened) and they can't even guarantee FDIC backing for any money you have in the back or IRAs?


Are you going to laugh when other countries commit terrorist attacks on our country; i.e., N. Korea, Iran, etc.?


Are you going to laugh when this country finally crosses into fascism whereas you will seriously have no rights?


Keep laughing BB. The joke will be on you sooner or later, as the country slowly goes down the tubes unless you start boning up on the reality happening right under your nose and start fighting against it.


 


only want to talk economics part of this - nm
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Economics 101: Capitalism vs. Socialism

There are many different ideas or systems of how an economy should be run. The two most common are capitalism and socialism. They are very different in how they view who runs the economy. Most economies have ideas from both systems, but tend to be more of one than the other.


Capitalism is the economic system based on private or corporate ownership of, production and distribution of goods. It has always existed to some extent in all civilizations but was written about formally by Adam Smith in his book "The Wealth of Nations" in 1776. Capitalists favor a system of free enterprise which means the government should not interfere in the economy - that the laws of supply and demand will make sure that the ecnomy runs most efficiently in meeting people's needs. Capitalism is characterized by competition in which there is rivalry in supplying or getting an economic service or good. Sellers compete with other sellers, and buyers with other buyers. The buyers seek the best possible deal in purchasing goods and the sellers look to make the best possible sale allowing them the most profit.


Socialism is an economic theory or idea that states that the government or the state should be in charge of economic planning, production and distribution of goods. This contrasts with capitalism where free markets predonimate and property is privately owned. Socielism tends to favor cooperation whereas capitalism is characterized by competition.


The theories of socialism first arose in the late eighteenth century in response to the Industrial Revolution where factory owners were becoming wealthy and the workers impoverished. Thus, workers wanted a greater share in the wealth that factories were making. Later a form of socialism called communism sprang up based on the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Communism advocates class struggle and revolution to establish a society of cooperation with strong government control. Communism predominated in the former Soviet Union and much of Eastern Europe at one time. Today it predominates in China and Cuba, but its influence has lessened.


http://www.mcwdn.org/ECONOMICS/CapSoc.html


Our economy is related to world economics
which IS part of foreign policy.  Geez, can't get your head around that?
This statement shows ignorance of basic economics
You are misinformed to such an extent that it makes you unable to recognize your own best interests. If you candidate wins, look for your profession to decline by leaps and bounds, if it survives at all.
Russian Professor of Economics Believes U.S. Will Split into Six States

Oh, goody-goody! The "trickle-down theory"
NM
Well, it all worked out in the end

We aren't living high on the hog, and we've opened our home to those less fortunate. Over the past 25 years, we've had 10 people (friends not strangers) live with us until they could get back on their feet, rent-free, taking none of the money they could make, all meals provided.


Yes, welfare is very backwards, but if I knew of anyone abusing the system, I  would report them.  I don't know anyone on welfare or living in Section 8 housing since I now live in the country. If other people would do that, it would soon straighten out.


 


I worked

at the polling place yesterday.  Then we had a party.  There were only 4 present who voted for Obama and my husband and I were 2 of them.  We had an enjoyable time and on one thing all of us agreed.  ALL of us must get involved if we want to save this country.


I'm glad it's over.


I worked for a guy once

who neatly solved that problem. 


He owned the company and he when quit smoking (or more accurately, he quit buying) any time he wanted a cigarette, he would 'bum' it from one of his employees.  Since O cannot nip out and get a pack of smokes now, maybe he gets by this way.  Would some secret service guy or Whitehouse domestic employee refuse him? 


My old boss should have run for Congress, so out of touch was he with his 'little people.'  Payday was Friday and the checks were locked in his desk until 4:30 Friday afternoon.  (This was to prevent someone from going to the bank at lunch and never returning, I guess.)  And I might add this was back when bankers hours were truly that, not open until 6 on Friday, and until noon Saturday. 


Trouble was, sometimes he would not return from lunch, or at all on Friday, so we did not get paid until Monday.  But he helpfully said that nobody should be living so hand-to-mouth that they absolutely needed their 2-week check before the weekend.  I mean, if you can't go to the grocery and therefore cannot feed your kids, you obviously are not budgeting properly.  Another neat solution, don't you think?  If only I had listened to this man, I would be wealthy today.


Did you get this worked up when
the Bush administration eviscerated the Bill of Rights? When they targeted any vocal opposition in a position to be heard using clandestine means and government resources? When they doled out multimillion dollar no-bid contracts to their cronies paid for by taxpayer money and loans from foreign countries?
Let's see how worked up we can get now -
Did you see that President Obama is going to get to appoint a Supreme Court judge already? 
Why would that get anyone worked up.
Isn't that one of his responsibilities as President?


Why would that get anyone worked up.
Isn't that one of his responsibilities as President?

Serious question for you - Are you serious about your statement or are you trying to start something so more people will be bickering.


Worked for me
Don't put a space between American and solution, just americansolutions.com


Worked for me; thanks, LVMT

Posts to get you worked up
are obviously not what 'liberals' are about, any more than posts comparing Hillary to Hitler are what 'conservatives' are all about.  The terms 'liberal' and 'conservative' are pretty much useless anyway because everyone has their own definitions.  It's lumping together people that are not necessarily the same.
You might want to ask Obama how it worked for him....
coming out calling the NRL and others liars (saw the video where he said it, "Hate to call them liars but they are liars" and now is having to back up because...whoops. He is the one who lied. He should have taken your good advice and kept a low profile...
Okay, worked together. He was friends with Rev.
nm
You certainly have worked yourself up into a lather
Perhaps you may considering reserving your judgment of the situation until the story and the facts come to the light of day. If the woman shuns the limelight, papers her walls with photos of her nephew and sends small contributions to his campaign when she can, she obviously holds him in very high regard and is bearing no grudges over what you refer to a hording his wealth. Again, it taked a LOT of gall to sit in judgment of something you know absolutely nothing about. Get over yourself.
Dad (pharmacist) worked at
was Cunningham Drug Store.  He was the manager at the store from 1969-1981.
Did you see the one about the young guy who worked

at McDonald's for 4 1/2 years? He couldn't get another job and wanted to know what O was going to do about it. I was absolutely shocked!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TptsP4ryido&feature=related


We know a guy who never worked a day in his life

and collects SSD for his "mental illness." He checks himself into a state hospital when it comes close to the time when he has a review coming up. This is what I heard from my son, so I don't know how true it is, but I do know that he is healthy and doesn't seem to have any mental health issues.


His one brother is on disability because he was on the drugs so much, they fried his brain and another brother had cirrhosis. He couldn't get help and died.


If her hubby worked an outside job
or paid into the system, she could collect half of his SS.
thanks, JTBB, now it worked....
I wished I could zoom in into those testimonies whciha re in teh mail to the court!
thanks, JTBB, now it worked....
I tried to zoom in into those testimonies in the mail to the court! Didn't work!
That might have worked, if all the terrorists were in Afghanistan. nm
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Republicans and Democrats worked together on

So why do you keep trying to demonize the Democrats.  Both parties made compromises - I believe the Democrats initially wanted about $20 billion more for the program, but they negotiated with the Republicans to secure their votes.


You seem so worried about the cigarette tax not covering the program, and yet what we spend in Iraq in a day would cover the S-CHIP program for a year.  The money is there, but people don't want to make it a priority.


Why is it so hard for you to believe that Democrats that voted yes on the bill (and don't forgot some Republicans did too) actually CARE ABOUT THE CHILDREN?  Is it so hard to believe that they actually want to do something to help kids?  I'm glad they are getting headlines, not because they are against Bush, because really - could public opinion get any worse for him?  I am glad because this is an issue that needs TONS of attention drawn to it.  I don't really care if more people dislike Bush over this issue.  People who like him will continue to and people who don't will continue not to like him.  I see bad headlines about him every week, but that is not my concern.  My concern is affordable healthcare for all children, no matter how high or low their parents' income level is.


Thanks gourdpainter...the cut and paste worked. nm
nm
DH and I have worked hard and have earned everything

that we have and WE should decide who to give it to, not Nobama. We are living the American Dream and will be penalized for it. If your child got all A's in school and the teacher told you that some kids got C's and B's and your child would have to give up some of their A's so the others would be on equal ground, would you object? Probably so. There is no incentive in socialism to work hard to acheive things when you can have the gov't provide everything for you. Don't you people know that you are playing right into the hand's of more gov't? You are being fed a bunch of lies and you won't even realize it until it is too late.


Coud'a Worked 80 hours too
But after 12 years at my other much better paying job that included 22 years with the company, they eliminated all 8 of our jobs. So here I am still at Medquist and a daughter just turning 18 and not working at all. Would you believe they did this on 11/04. Then I voted for McCain. I was disillusioned with Obama even when he was still running.
Years ago I worked with a rad tech who used to be an MT
I think anything in medical records management or ultraound tech or something like that. DH told me that pcp's are quitting. Must be the same article you posted.

This country is just getting more and more depressing.
Has government interference EVER worked?
nm
Not the 1st time Coburn and O worked together for
They co-sponsored (along with John McCain) the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act back in 2006 and succeeded in getting it passed.
My father worked in a factory

for 30 years at GM.  He was a salvage worker so he wasn't one of those guys who sat on his butt all day long making a ridiculous amount of money.  My dad retired in his 60s because his health didn't allow him to continue working or he would have.  I know how unions work and how they "protect" the employees.  I've also seen the proven statistics about how non-union states are more production and have higher job growth and as far as protecting your job.....no ones job is protected especially nowadays.  People are getting fired left and right so where is the protection.  What good was that auto bailout when all that money pretty much went to pay off the unions.  Unions are nothing but democratic pushed BS. 


Here is a tad bit on unions:


 


The truth is that unions are essentially parasitic organizations that thrive only by draining and ultimately destroying the companies and industries they control. The essential goal of the unions is to compel the payment of higher wages for the performance of less work and less productive work. Unions are notorious for their hostility to labor saving machinery and to any form of competition among workers, for featherbedding practices, indeed, for “making work” by deliberately and arbitrarily increasing the number of workers required to accomplish a given task and sometimes even by compelling the disassembly or destruction of products already produced.


It should be no wonder that the percentage of the labor force controlled by unions tends progressively to decline. Where the unions hold sway, companies cannot compete. Their market share falls and they ultimately go bankrupt. The only way that unions can maintain any given share of the labor force is by finding new victims to replace the ones they have sucked dry. The finding of new victims, by means of new government intervention is the unstated agenda of  Mr. Stern, Ms. Milkman, and The New York Times.


The actual effects of labor unions are arbitrary inequalities in wage rates, mass unemployment, and substantially lower real wages for the average worker. Labor unions are aptly described as a leading vehicle of what von Mises called “destructionism.”


Whenever a union succeeds in obtaining above market wage rates for its members, it also reduces  the number of workers who can be employed in its field. This is because of the operation of one of the best established principles of economics: Namely, the higher the price of anything, including the wage of any kind of labor, the smaller is the quantity demanded of that good or labor service.


Thus, workers who could have been employed in the lines controlled by labor unions are instead displaced and forced to seek work elsewhere. The added competition of these workers in other lines then serves either to depress wage rates in those other lines, thereby resulting in an arbitrary, union-imposed inequality in wage rates, or, if those other lines are also unionized or are forced to pay union wages in order to avoid becoming unionized (which is often the case), to cause still other workers to be displaced. It should be clear that to the extent that the effect of union activity is to depress wage rates in other fields, the union slogan “Live Better, Work Union” turns out to mean “Live Better by Forcing Other Workers to Live Worse.”


If wage rates in all lines of work are forced above the free-market level either because labor unions are able to impose their wage scales everywhere, or because upward union pressure on wage rates is joined by minimum-wage legislation, the effect is mass unemployment. In this case, there is simply no branch of the economic system that is allowed to pay wage rates low enough to make possible the absorption of workers displaced from elsewhere by the imposition of union wages. The result is the kind of situation presently existing in France and Germany, where unemployment is in excess of ten percent. And, of course, the cost of supporting the masses of unemployed falls mainly on the workers who manage to keep their jobs. Here higher taxes are their reward for “working union.”


 


For the full article:  http://mises.org/story/1861


How come it hasn't worked for the last 8 years?
Messiah of MT Stars - tells us oh revered and feared of the freak forum!
Wonder how many who worked at the WTC felt safe on 9/10/01?
I'd bet about 100%. Doesn't mean much, does it? In fact, the majority are often wrong when it comes to things like this.
He did not take the case pro bono. The firm he worked for did. SM
You might want to check that out. I could be lying.
Yes, worked with a girl -"gonna have another baby
nm
Yes, let's continue with tax cuts to the wealthy, that has worked so well.....NOT!
Or better yet, let's sit on our hands and do nothing - let the market take care of it! I wish you were in charge of making decisions for this country - I'd feel sooooo much safer!!          KAAACKKKK!
Yeah, that whole scam worked, didn't it?
he was bailing out the insurance companies and drug mfgs - didn't give a squat about the people. And the rich get richer........
..Oh Yeah! And that worked real well, didn't it?
Trickle down economics is the lamest excuse for Republicans to give all the money and tax breaks to THE RICH! It has never worked and will never work because of one thing - GREED!

Now THAT is Economics 101.